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On October 19 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
thrawn it looks scum trying to be convincing about changing his mind.
I see Austin is your top vote. Why aren't you helping me get him lynched? You are barely even talking about him.
bleh read my above post those are my thoughts about this game right now. I'm going to sleep and I'll be back a couple hours before lynch.
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On October 19 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
thrawn it looks scum trying to be convincing about changing his mind.
I see Austin is your top vote. Why aren't you helping me get him lynched? You are barely even talking about him.
wow I see you responded to that question in like 4 minutes did you really go and read my filter in that time?
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where's palmer's random lynch site when you need it
anyone game? you no scare I no scare
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@thrawn why are you talking about random lynch... are you unsure about lynching Austin or are you feeling good about it? I have no idea how you feel about your top scumread.
Also I didn't go read ro4 right then, because I have already read your filter more than once. I am familiar with it.
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Grrrr. I gave kush votes D1 because of a townread, although partially out of policy for posting so much clearer than in LC.
But then I look at what he actually did, and ...
kush's #1 scum read is da0ud early:On October 11 2012 06:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Yeah daoud vs djodref..
I'm on team djodref meaning I vote for daoud to advance.
Daoud's post just seems so awkward. SNIPPED
He is my #1 scum read right now and I definitely want him to go through. for 6ish hours kush is on da0ud. Then, On October 11 2012 15:59 kushm4sta wrote:
I am not reading scum on this guy so I'm glad djodref passed instead.
He shares his crazy thoughts too freely.
Okay. He was #1 scumread, now townie because of the bits on alien invaders and "miniscum." I don't mind that. Note that R1 ended at 11:00 TL time. This was while da0ud was still scummy for kush, BEFORE the change of heart.
But he gets on sandroba's case during R2 for voting da0ud late.On October 12 2012 02:54 kushm4sta wrote:@ET it's interesting that you say that Sandroba has a scummy scum-meta. Because my current read on him was that he was acting almost too scummy to be scum. He tries to push doaud through with no explanation by putting 2 extra votes on him. Also he does it without even saying he's going to do it. When we ask him why, all he has to say is: Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 10:36 sandroba wrote:
Yo. I want da0ud to go to the next round. I have a hunch and those have been pretty good historically. So a hunch with no reasoning is enough to override the majority's vote? On October 12 2012 03:08 kushm4sta wrote:
ET that still has 0 explanation for why he thought daoud was scummy enough to double vote him near deadline.
I get that kush's read has changed at this point, but Sandroba is "too scummy to be scum" for trying to push da0ud through to R2. When da0ud was still kush's #1 scumread. You don't get upset that someone tries to push your #1 scumread through to another round.
There's weird thing #1 just from D1
Weird thing #2 is that he's got some ON comments, similar to what I didn't like from mementossOn October 12 2012 04:41 kushm4sta wrote:
Originalname vs Hiropro
Original: I'm not going to vote someone because they are busy. Yes I buy his panic votes. I think his story about the PM is very believable.
He only has 1 post of merit but I think the post is fine. He's definitely not afraid to share his thoughts.
He brings up a good point about djodref's drunk post. Did drunkenness cause the vote or did it just cause him to not tell us about it? It bothered me at the time but I forgot about it.
But anyway I don't think his 1 post looks scum.
Hiropro: Not omgus but my suspicion of him comes from his suspicion of me. It's the only thing that's in his filter basically.
He called my argument about the daoud's bye disadvantage a "contradiction" and he has not sufficiently explained how so.
And he wants me so bad that he added another vote to put me over the edge at the last second? His arguments don't back up that kind of suspicion IMO.
ON's got one post. This post - + Show Spoiler +On October 11 2012 11:30 OriginalName wrote:Thoughts on tommorrows matchups as they stand: Post 1 in a (Probable) series. Echelon vs Djo -I placeholdered on Djo as I was well aware i was skirting the deadline and at this point i had no say in affecting things as they were. After going through thread i have thoughts on both: Echelon: Truthfully speaking, started out fine even with that completely irrelievent "Scumslip" (Once again reiterating- it's not a slip) however after those nice starting posts he moves towards really low content uninteresting posts that are completely meaningless "IM HELPING TOWN" posts that show hes posting but adds nothing to discussion vote counts. Show nested quote +In my experience, if I don't react strongly to accusations, no matter how inane or small, it just bogs down town because people are wasting time talking about me. I'm not mad; I just want to shut down your weak accusations now so that if you are town, we can work together without lingering misconceptions. I'm not seeking to shut down discussion, but I will be extremely dismissive towards cases on me as they are wrong, and in this case bad. This on the other hand REALLY irks me, he says he reacts strongly to accusations and then right after we decided he wasnt as worth it and moved on he completely drops off the map again. THAT friends unlike my complete absence is scumlurk, throwing of heat and then ignoring us. Djo: I'm going to wait abit to call out lurking due to timezones. However he did vote me for megalurk then disappear. One thing that bothers me this time around is believe it or not, that vote on Mementoss. He uses the excuse that he was drunk to cover it up rather than assert his position harder and back it up. It was by his words an accident, at the very least he could push it and get more reactions, there is nothing wrong in an incorrect push as it always reveals something.
It's a post on a single matchup. I don't see many shared thoughts there AT ALL. ET started out fine, but then moved to low content posts, and then finds that ET was scummy because ET responded sharply to scumreads on himself and then was less active. As to ON's thoughts on djo...he's going to wait to call out lurking, and he's bothered by a drunk vote on mementoss.
Not exactly a bunch of thoughts. Covers only one matchup, seems to dislike both players in it? Doesn't...DO anything. kush's comments on that post, that it was "1 post of merit", "fine", and that ON is "definitely not afraid to share his thoughts" are NOT what I get from ON's post.
kush continues to be concerned with ON and cases on ONOn October 12 2012 05:34 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:17 sandroba wrote:
Look at the cases people posted, which is the strongest? Definetely the case on ON. How can you ever say that I'm not trying to get scum lynched or that my play has been uninspired? You can't. Where is this strong case on ON? I can't find it. On October 12 2012 08:07 kushm4sta wrote:KUSH TALKS ABOUT DJO AND ET HERE, THEN FINISHES HIS ET THOUGHTS WITH After ON calls him out for low content and scumlurking: Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:23 EchelonTee wrote:On October 11 2012 11:30 OriginalName wrote:Echelon: Truthfully speaking, started out fine even with that completely irrelievent "Scumslip" (Once again reiterating- it's not a slip) however after those nice starting posts he moves towards really low content uninteresting posts that are completely meaningless "IM HELPING TOWN" posts that show hes posting but adds nothing to discussion vote counts. In my experience, if I don't react strongly to accusations, no matter how inane or small, it just bogs down town because people are wasting time talking about me. I'm not mad; I just want to shut down your weak accusations now so that if you are town, we can work together without lingering misconceptions. I'm not seeking to shut down discussion, but I will be extremely dismissive towards cases on me as they are wrong, and in this case bad. This on the other hand REALLY irks me, he says he reacts strongly to accusations and then right after we decided he wasnt as worth it and moved on he completely drops off the map again. THAT friends unlike my complete absence is scumlurk, throwing of heat and then ignoring us. You have got to be fricking kidding me. Look at my filter. Then yours. I am being low content???? Are you freaking serious? No seriously, coming from THE #1 lurker of Round 1? I don't even understand how you can possibly argue this. This is plain old terrible disruption. You could at least try to look townie. You have done literally nothing to try and help town, and are easily my top pick for champion. This isn't your first game by any respect, you have no newbie excuse. So this is that strong ON case sandroba was referring to? I'm not seeing any arguments that he is scum except for a vague reference to "disruption." There's a lot of anger here and a lot of omgus. On October 12 2012 10:49 kushm4sta wrote:
ah wtf I didn't see originals votes there for djodref.. i dont think he even meant them to be used today (WHAT IS THIS LAST POST? IT'S NOT ULTRA-SLIPPY BUT...KUSH DOESN'T THINK ON MEANT TO VOTE DJO THAT DAY? HOW DOES KUSH KNOOOOOOOOOOOOW?)
kush was involved in the modkill/replacement discussion, wondering what would happen to ON. Again, heavy concern with ON and specific concern as to whether he would be replaced or modkilled.
then lots of hopeless/ON chatter. He's legit concerned about hopless1der's "i was scummy to catch scum" bit, which is fine, but he continues to be worried about votes on ON. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2012 09:46 kushm4sta wrote:
those aren't my final votes. Also omg it's later than i realized.
Why the fuck are so many people voting for ON??? On October 13 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote:Why is ET voting for ON when he himself pointed out: Show nested quote +If you have a scumread, it's better to lynch them over someone who has a high chance of being replaced or modkilled. It's the difference between a coin flip and an educated guess. On October 13 2012 09:51 kushm4sta wrote:
Thrawn why are you voting for ON?
Purely hypothetically, non-inflammatorally, etc, ON is probably going to get replaced or modkilled.
Why would you policy lynch that??? On October 13 2012 09:52 kushm4sta wrote:
I get that you are still null on him. You don't have to spend all your votes on him but ON makes no sense to lynch IMO. On October 13 2012 09:54 kushm4sta wrote:
hiro has 2 votes on ON
et has 2 votes on ON
sandroba has 7!!! votes on ON
@thrawn ah ok i see you changed your vote.
Then he's really worried about me vote-bombing ON if he tries to vote hopeless. R2 I threatened to push djodref through over ET, when kush wanted ET through. So he's got reason to check...but again, there's just so much concern with ON. His reaction to ET pushing ON through was "not cool," and then when ET's votes were maybe not going to count, we gotOn October 13 2012 11:11 kushm4sta wrote:
haha look at vote thread you got owned et
This was one of my townreads D1...but this is a LOT of concern with ON. A lot more concern over ON than with other players. He has an early vote on Sand R4, but then changes to ON and puts the three votes I gave him on ON. Thread sentiment was shifting somewhat at that point, sandroba was starting to be vocal in defending himself whereas ON was still absent.
Gonna keep going, but I do not like his D1. His D1 reads very scummy in light on ON's flip.
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austin I think some of the formatting is messed up in the quotes beneath the "kush continues to be concerned with ON and cases on ON" line
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Kush D2 thinking ET strongest town, ET dies N2:On October 16 2012 04:06 kushm4sta wrote:prpl you do realize giving it to ET is a scum claim right? No town would do this. He's just trying to kill the stongest town. So we know that prpl is scum. *  oes anyone disagree that prpl is scum at this point?**
Spends all D2 thinking prplhz/da0ud scum. Spends N2 thinking da0ud scum, and at first mementoss is scum after I make a cast on mementoss and he makes a case on me. Then decides mementoss is town. Ends N2 withOn October 17 2012 07:58 kushm4sta wrote:
If I die:
first let me day I should not die. Either Austin or ET should die and if they don't something is very wrong.
I read straight through about half the thread and I feel confident in my current scumreads.
THRAWN
Read this scum's filter. He is like one of those annoying little dogs that nips at people's heels. He has very little content of his own. Mostly what he does is wait for someone to say something kind of off then go Omg why you say that?
DJODREF
His scumstrat= make big posts, people will be impressed and think you are town. Look past the length and you will see his scumminess.
ET
That last minute ON vote ro4, do not trust that shit.
Remember he is the one who brought it to everyone's attention originally.
Scum may have known ON was getting modkilled and decided to take the townie points from leading the lynch instead.
Also note how he had no points to spend either way ro2. He used more votes than necessary ro4 so he would not have to ve accountable for his vote ro2.
His activity has been real low except for when attacked. Then he turns super sayain.
He never even commented on sandroba until AFTER the lynch during the ro2.
Kush out.
ET or I should die. But ET is one of kush's top 3 scumreads. Except that ET was "the strongest town" earlier in D2, for the same reasons kush says shouldn't be trusted now.
This. This is the stuff that felt like kush regressing to me. This is kush's scumreads just jumping around all over the place, often in a contradictory manner. follow kush's da0ud read throughout the game, or the djodref one...gah.
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On October 19 2012 04:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin I think some of the formatting is messed up in the quotes beneath the "kush continues to be concerned with ON and cases on ON" line
No, it's just poor job by me. I wanted to snip out part of that post, but then the context was lost. That's me trying to give the context of the quote in the quote in place of what I cut, without making it very apparent.
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yeah I changed my mind on daoud a million times. I am completely at a loss about how to read him. At the moment I'm leaning town though.
My day 1 reads were great and I changed my mind about this. And this makes me scum how?
I thought sandroba was scummy because he didn't explain his votes at all. I did not realize at the time that this was a hallmark of sandroba town play.
ET was the strongest town. Just because someone's play is strong that does not mean they should be trusted. In fact, it means they should be trusted less because if their town play is strong often their scum play is strong as well.
I have flip flopped, you have flip flopped, thrawn has flip flopped, everyone has flip flopped. The point is it doesn't make you scum or town. It's the nature of the flip flop that matter and if it has scum motivations behind it. All you are doing is pointing out flip flops and inconsistencies and saying it means I'm scum, when you should know that it doesn't.
There's this one point you made, how did I know ON didn't mean to vote for him that day? Well it's because he voted for him at the last second. It was fairly obvious at the time that ON meant those votes to be used during round 1. You are fabricating a case out of no where again.
And tonight I hope to see you lynched.
@Thrawn I thought you were going to bed lol. I asked you before and you DID NOT answer. I want to know, how are you feeling about this austin lynch? Are you gonna go through with it?
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VE, if you're around let me/us know. Dunno if you're still busy, but I need to both change your mind if you haven't changed it and then pick your brain.
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On October 19 2012 04:48 austinmcc wrote:
VE, if you're around let me/us know. Dunno if you're still busy, but I need to both change your mind if you haven't changed it and then pick your brain.
so this means you have a really strong town read on him right?
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Wow thrawn you are backing up from the austin lynch huh?
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On October 19 2012 04:50 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:48 austinmcc wrote:
VE, if you're around let me/us know. Dunno if you're still busy, but I need to both change your mind if you haven't changed it and then pick your brain. so this means you have a really strong town read on him right?
I have a town read on him, but mostly he's the freshest set of eyes this game has. I've had luck when I just go back and look at a game after being a little lurky/absent, and he's valuable right now to my thought process as someone who wasn't around D1.
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@kush
idk i'm watching dexter episodes when i want to be sleeping. Concerning austin, I've had suspicions of him for a lot of the game and some stuff VE said about him was pretty convincing. Currently I think his djo vote is pretty silly... the nk stuff incriminating djo as scum just makes no sense at all has has no basis on what's actually happened in the thread and it feels like a "made up" case or whatever you want to call it. Also he's made this case against you but it doesn't really look like a case.. there is no real conclusion or anything and I don't get what he's trying to say... I'm guessing that he thinks you're scum.. but it feels like he kinda left the question hanging.
also there's the D1 vote sharing. his justifications for doing it were good, but I just don't see how he could have arrived at the point to do it in the first place. He only spent 1 vote until the finals, then used 3 out of his 9 votes for a candidate which, at the time he voted, needed a shit ton of votes to get lynched. Looks like hiding. It just doesn't seem like something a town player would do. the whole deal does strikes me as "guys i'm not gonna take a stance on anything, here i'm gonna let you use my votes because i'm so town"
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So why did you unvote? Are you having second thoughts about lynching him? Because I want to lynch him more than ever.
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Actually I guess same request to mementoss too. Let's see how this goes. Mementoss you talked some about kush/djo earlier today, haven't heard anything from VE, but wondering about your current thoughts re: kush/djo.
Since I'm asking, I'll note that I like kush over djo at the moment. That D1 really concerns me, and while I can't untangle the mess of connections and cases and suspicions that is thrawn/kush/djo right now, I'm thinking that if mementoss isn't scum then we've got 2 in that bunch. But thrawn is a side matter for me right now, and I'm more focused on djo/kush.
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if you couldn't tell i'm having second thoughts about everyone. i've wanted to lynch him since like D2 based on a general hunch, and it's grown since then into actual reasons, but I just can't make up my mind about the vote sharing business
you say you want to lynch him more than ever but I don't remember you answering my question as to exactly why you want him lynched. just a paragraph or so would be nice.
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On October 19 2012 04:59 austinmcc wrote:
Actually I guess same request to mementoss too. Let's see how this goes. Mementoss you talked some about kush/djo earlier today, haven't heard anything from VE, but wondering about your current thoughts re: kush/djo.
Since I'm asking, I'll note that I like kush over djo at the moment. That D1 really concerns me, and while I can't untangle the mess of connections and cases and suspicions that is thrawn/kush/djo right now, I'm thinking that if mementoss isn't scum then we've got 2 in that bunch. But thrawn is a side matter for me right now, and I'm more focused on djo/kush.
lol i'm feeling the same way. i've got these somewhat mutually exclusive ideas where either you're scum, there's 1 or more scum among kush/djo, or mem/hiro are scum. hence my clusterfuck of suspicions lately
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On October 19 2012 04:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
@kush
idk i'm watching dexter episodes when i want to be sleeping. Concerning austin, I've had suspicions of him for a lot of the game and some stuff VE said about him was pretty convincing. Currently I think his djo vote is pretty silly... the nk stuff incriminating djo as scum just makes no sense at all has has no basis on what's actually happened in the thread and it feels like a "made up" case or whatever you want to call it. Also he's made this case against you but it doesn't really look like a case.. there is no real conclusion or anything and I don't get what he's trying to say... I'm guessing that he thinks you're scum.. but it feels like he kinda left the question hanging.
also there's the D1 vote sharing. his justifications for doing it were good, but I just don't see how he could have arrived at the point to do it in the first place. He only spent 1 vote until the finals, then used 3 out of his 9 votes for a candidate which, at the time he voted, needed a shit ton of votes to get lynched. Looks like hiding. It just doesn't seem like something a town player would do. the whole deal does strikes me as "guys i'm not gonna take a stance on anything, here i'm gonna let you use my votes because i'm so town"
It doesn't look like a case, but it's things I don't like about kush's filter. I've changed my list in the voting thread to swap those 2.
See post above, or just know that I'm still convinced that we've got 1-2 scum in our R3 hopeless voters. Actually re-reading kush's D1 has changed my mind about who it is. I'm not sure what this does to djo for me, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for both of them to be scum and to have gone hard at saving ON in R3. Will figure out that bit later.
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Time to go on the lynch Austin campaign trail
@hopeless1der
Where is your townread of austin coming from?
I see your biggest scumreads are djodref and daoud. From this it seems that you are very harsh on newbies, even though you have done some newb scummy things yourself. I implore you, reconsider what you think is scumminess might just and probably is newbness. Can you see a newb acting how daoud is acting? I can.
Djodref: look how easily he posts, not his big cases, but the little ones in between. He has no fear of slipping up, no fear of sharing what's on his mind.
@djodref
I love you dude you make me smile every time I read one of your posts. That's not just buddying to you, that's the truth. You are literally the cutest thing ever. Are all french people like you?
Also look at hiro d1, before he went afk. Just read through his filter, it looks town. His lurkiness, that was not deliberate. We know that now because he asked for a replacement. Reconsider austin. Vote him higher please.
@mementoss
Please move austin higher. I think you are mistaking newbness for scumminess in regards to djo and daoud. The way austin has been playing this game, it makes no sense, and his explanations make no sense. There are inconsisntencies, not surface ones, mistakes any townie could make, but ones embedded deep within his play. He thinks he always thinks your town play is scummy, but he doesn't stop to consider that he might think your town play is scummy this time. Then he says nvm i dont always think that. Then he drops your case for no reason and starts pushing me and djo. He is scum and he is panicking.
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