EPTD1 was pretty stupid because all we learned was that ON is scum and hopeless is prob town, and D2 was spent going "lolz prp/da0 are last two scum." So we haven't exactly had the most pro-town atmosphere in which to make solid reads.
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
D1 was pretty stupid because all we learned was that ON is scum and hopeless is prob town, and D2 was spent going "lolz prp/da0 are last two scum." So we haven't exactly had the most pro-town atmosphere in which to make solid reads. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I do love to bus as scum lol. I have spoken about my Austin suspicions and I will put them down formally when I get home. but mostly ve stole my ideas lol. so a lot of it is what.he said | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 18 2012 23:37 da0ud wrote: I don't understand why people believed I could be scum because I did this scale ranking before we ended up having it for real in D3, but it was pure coincidence. It was just making sense for me to rank people versus the others. I have been reading more than talking, and not putting someone at the top of my scale for telling me i am dumb, bad and scum (sorry Thrawn in particular) - or you would all have been number one, Djo number 7, me number 8. After all, I still want to put Mementoss on the top of my scale, for his changes of mind, votes, as I stated in D2. I want to push Austin number two currently because he is the one that has the most chances of being lynched instead of me, and I know I should not be killed. Not too sure who will be 3 and 4 between Hopeless, Hiro/VE. Hiro/VE has not been too very active, I could not find a lot of scumhunting, but has been decently consistent. so I will put Hopeless over Hiro. Kush and Thrawn will occupy the ranks 6 and 5. They do bring a lot to the discussion and are the ones that make me feel the most how useless I can be sometimes. Scum people would not do that, it would not be beneficial because me behaving badly does create interference which is good for the scum team. Djo ranked 7, he has made good cases, and did help the town to start changing their mind about me. 1) Mementoss 2) Ausin 3) Hopeless 4) Hiro 5) Thrawn 6) Kush 7) Djo 8) Da0ud I guess I'm up there by elimination, but you don't seem to really have much of a read on me da0ud. Also, your reasons for having Austin that high, while understandable, are not helpful. Do you think he is town or scum? I don't care how likely he is to get lynched, I care what you think about his alignment. This post just makes me want to lynch you even more. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
More VE homework: What do you think of my backing off of austin based on this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372945¤tpage=67#1339 Answer this question: Do you agree with it? Does it change your view on austins alignment? Why/Why not? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm quite sure that ON has been bussed. Please have a look at Hiro's filter and imagine him with the intent of bussing ON. You guys are putting too much importance on the matchup Hopeless/ON. It could have just been a town/town fight for all we know. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 18 2012 23:59 thrawn2112 wrote: I like flopping, I don't care if it makes me look bad, I'll point out anything that looks suspicious regardless of how many people I end up talking about and I'll take a hard stance once I'm convinced I'm right. Is it the most townie way to play? No but I care less about how townie I look and more about figuring out who's scum. D1 was pretty stupid because all we learned was that ON is scum and hopeless is prob town, and D2 was spent going "lolz prp/da0 are last two scum." So we haven't exactly had the most pro-town atmosphere in which to make solid reads. D1: Yeah I guess lynching scum is stupid........ /sarcasm | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 19 2012 00:01 Djodref wrote: I'm going to bed, I'll be here for the deadline. I'm quite sure that ON has been bussed. Please have a look at Hiro's filter and imagine him with the intent of bussing ON. You guys are putting too much importance on the matchup Hopeless/ON. It could have just been a town/town fight for all we know. You mean scum/scum? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 18 2012 23:55 Mementoss wrote: also wifom thought, I know a slight majority of people wanted prplhz over da0d. But why wasn't scum squirming when there was 2 candidates and scum was one of them? Or they coulda just told da0d to make a case so everyone was like lol fuck it lynch prphlz, da0d is actually trying The main problem is that we didn't have the control of the lynch so nobody really cared. At the moment when prplhz kept the potato to try to blow ET with it was over. As I said, scum just had to go with everybody and say: "lol, pass the potato, daoud and prplhz so scummy!" and go on holidays | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
lol as a side note, in a previous game I made a similar logic case in which I listed 4 options, determined which was most likely to be true, ending up with the conclusion that kush was scum. I ignored/forgot about that case and guess what kush ended up being scum @mem OK time to really look at that stuff logically: On October 17 2012 21:18 thrawn2112 wrote: Ok right now I consider the following 100% true, I don't see any loopholes. One of the following statements MUST BE TRUE. A) there is scum among kush/djo B) town hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON I think option C is the dumbest option out of all of them. I'd even go so far as to say it's near impossible. So it comes down to option B or option A. This is somewhat of a subjective call but I'd hesitatingly say that option B isn't likely. Other than the final MU, hope vs ON had the highest total vote count and to me that suggests scummy shit going on especially knowing that ON is scum. Which leaves me with A as most likely. Does everyone agree? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On October 19 2012 00:01 Djodref wrote: I'm going to bed, I'll be here for the deadline. I'm quite sure that ON has been bussed. Please have a look at Hiro's filter and imagine him with the intent of bussing ON. You guys are putting too much importance on the matchup Hopeless/ON. It could have just been a town/town fight for all we know. I strongly disagree with this and therefore I am suspicious of your motives behind making this post.... | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
lol What I wanted to say is that everybody is focusing too much on this MU. But when you look at it, on one side, you had a guy who admitted playing scummy on purpose. Some people might believe in it, some other not. On the other side, you had an hardcore lurker with panic votes, who turned out to be a mafia. Mafia could try to bus, protect or even do nothing with the lurker. We don't know. I don't think you can get reliable info from these votes. Explanations are what matters. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 19 2012 00:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I strongly disagree with this and therefore I am suspicious of your motives behind making this post.... Ok, it's just that I'm tired of explaining myself over and over again for these votes. I'm sorry, I really don't want to get mislynched for them. So let me ask all of you what do you think about my explanations for these votes ? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 19 2012 00:10 thrawn2112 wrote: Does everyone agree? On October 18 2012 22:47 austinmcc wrote: there's still a big part of me that's absolutely sure djo or kush is scum because of those R3 votes on hopeless. We know ON was safe in R3 until the last moment. We know that scum couldn't/didn't save ON in R4. Simplest explanation for that is that scum expended a lot of votes in R3 trying to save ON there, and were just out of gas in R4, didn't have the votes to save him. Where you talk about kush "being dumber than what I expect from him," I phrase it differently in my head but have similar thoughts. D3 he's...reverted. He finds my posts on da0ud convincing, repeats my argument later and seems to have adopted it, but then accuses me of doing nothing but mementoss. I didn't find it dumb, but it felt like kush was starting to become the ... more jumpy and frantic kush from Liquid City whose votes were swapping all over the place for weird reasons on D1. I will reread him. I'm still looking mementoss over this game and some other games. If I stop pushing him as scum, then I'm in favor of a djo or kush lynch, but preferring djo right at this point. I'll give it more thought, and see what reading kush pulls up, but djo noting that he'd gone and read at least one town sandroba games currently puts him ahead of kush in my mind, because I really think that explains the N1 kill better. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 19 2012 00:32 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know if there's any merit in the sandroba nk speculation with regards to people who are aware of his ability being likely scum... his veteran status was something that was brought up over and over again during D1 so everyone in the gamewould be aware of it. Yeah it was a big point in why people wanted to lynch ON over him in the first place. But now it WIFOM's his da0ud hunch a bit. On October 19 2012 00:21 Djodref wrote: Ok, it's just that I'm tired of explaining myself over and over again for these votes. I'm sorry, I really don't want to get mislynched for them. So let me ask all of you what do you think about my explanations for these votes ? I personally don't have an issue with the way you voted. I handpicked you to advance for the explicit purpose of having you attack me so I could get a better read on you. I thought you were town then, but I don't like the way you keep pushing Hiro/VE and I don't agree with your defense of da0ud. IF da0ud flips scum, you and austin are my next highest reads due to your defending him. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 19 2012 00:32 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know if there's any merit in the sandroba nk speculation with regards to people who are aware of his ability being likely scum... his veteran status was something that was brought up over and over again during D1 so everyone in the gamewould be aware of it. The fact that he moved on to R4 and played N1 in about the same way as D1 (tossing out SOME reads, and giving a small amount of explanation about 1-2), doesn't lead me to the conclusion that people who just know he's a vet or have been told he can play well would drop him N1. Under a different gamestate, I'd have no problem thinking he was killed purely on vet status. But with how people seemed to be reacting to his play THIS game, I find the N1 kill less likely based on vet status alone. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
If mementoss were scum here, I would expect a different allocation of attention. That's somewhat tempered by the way the lynch worked on D2, not like he can do much to influence the lynch when he doesn't know when it's going to happen, but I'm alright with townmementoss for now. Current thought process is then something like: 1. Djodref 2. kush? 3. thrawn? 4. 5. 6. 7. da0ud 8. austinmcc middle is some combination of VE/mementoss/hopeless1der. Don't feel any of them are town as strongly as I do da0ud. Don't like any for scum over the top 3 right now. Hopeless1der probably in the 6 slot, mementoss 4 and VE 5? Will lock down the spots with ?s after more reading. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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