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On October 18 2012 22:07 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 20:29 Mementoss wrote:
i cant believe djo is making a case on VE for lurking when the player got replaced. I mean, use your head, he got replaced because he had no time to post or lost interest. @MementossI don't understand how the following is a case about kurking... Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 16:59 Djodref wrote:Did you check his filter ? D1/N1 - talkative about the lynch mechanics but a lot less about the match-ups in general
- kush and me on his radar then drops us (not even commenting my matchup against sandro)
- gives his thoughts but mainly when people ask him for it, retaining info in general
- too decisive to be true regarding his ON votes (R3 and R4) => he was bussing him
- cast scummy shadow on prplhz for voting Sandro before we know this one is going to turn town
D2/N2 - holds the potato for a bad reason => retaining info
- not giving scumreads at the execption of prplhz (even if I get back on his radar)
- disregards me and my questions
- promise scumreads and disappear
I'm just realizing that VE wants to lynch austin. I don't know what to think about this... Could have have some honest comments on these points ?
I musta missed that, but I still don't think hes in my top 3 people of lynching today. I already stated why I thought his day 1 looked townie. I thought when you re-brought him up you brought up lurking again
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time for an austin question
mementoss, pretend that you are an outside observer of this game. pretend that you think mementoss is confirmed scum. who do you think his scum buddy would be?
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On October 18 2012 14:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 00:17 austinmcc wrote:On October 11 2012 00:06 kushm4sta wrote:
metaread on momentoss: he is this dumb as town I know that from liquid city. I think I've been suspicious of townMementoss in every game I've played with him, something he does always gives me a mafia read on him.However, he's not dumb as town. I don't care if you're sober or high or on PCP while playing this game. I found it tremendously difficult in LC to wade through all your posting to find the bits that I thought were well-reasoned or interesting or could give me an actual read on you. I'm all for silliness in these games, but if it's just constant in every post then it's going to hamstring your effectiveness as town because people either won't pay attention to you or won't bother to pick out the good points you make from among the bad. austinmcc is well aware of his bias toward Mementoss. The way he's tunneling now is indicative of an agenda imo. I feel like if he were town, this would factor in more and he'd be less sure of his read on Mementoss. Think about it. If townMementoss is always suspicious to austin, then why would he say "he's not dumb as town"? It seems to me that someone I consistently think does anti-town things as town, I'd think that person is dumb. It just doesn't even make sense - it's like a weak way to buddy up Mementoss early on. And then he goes full on tunnel-mode on 'toss today? See the stuff from yesterday with...mementoss, kush, and I. Turns out I don't find him scummy every game, even though both he and I remember me doing so. Moreover, I disagree with the someone doing anti-town things = dumb. There are plenty of players who have a particular characteristic or two that give others scummy reads on them every game.
On October 18 2012 06:35 austinmcc wrote:
VE, when you catch up or do something, I'd like your thoughts on the following:
(1) Why sandroba N1?
(2) Why ET N2?
(3) Do those NKs tell you anything about the identities of the remaining mafia?
(4) Mementoss or Mementoss or Mementoss?
1) Because sandroba was very obviously and unquestionably town and is routinely able to decimate scumteams - but take that for what it's worth..the word of someone who replaced into the game late. Sand has a distinct scum meta that he was very obviously not playing this game. Obviously a smart guy like Sandroba is aware of how to subvert his meta, but that doesn't stop him from NOT doing so anytime he rolls scum (to my chagrin in Liar Game...)
2) ET is less obvious, but I'd have to say that for whatever reason, scum either wanted town to believe something that he said before he died, or wanted to make town believe something about ET that he couldn't protest because he's dead. ET isn't really known for his ability to nail scum, but he's no slouch. It could be for any number of reasons.
3) Obviously they tell me that there's someone who's played with Sandroba - or is aware enough of his reputation to know what to do with a townSandroba. They also tell me that at least one remaining scum member (possible the one in charge, probably the one I was just talking about) likes to play games with town. It tells me that there's someone relatively experienced on the scumteam.
4) I agree with others' assessment of his play - that his early contributions were solid enough, that he dropped of in activity (corroborated, I confirmed him in Liquid City and he didn't do shit) but came back looking just as townie if not more so (imo).
I hope that's been helpful brudda. Now swing.
(3) is sort of what I was really looking for, and what I was trying to get from ET. I didn't think much of this playerbase had played with sandroba, and so I was concerned that a guy who made it to R4 and wasn't particularly active or explanatory about why he wanted certain players lynched after ON's flip was the first NK. It made me think that either someone had played with him before, or someone actually went and reread a bunch of games. This quote has been stuck in my head - On October 13 2012 15:09 Djodref wrote:
Sandroba
Sandroba is also a lurker but he looks scummy enough in my eyes to deserve the lynch. I'm not familiar with his meta but I've been skimming through his filter in the C9++ game and I must say that it looks like night and day when you compare it to his actual filter. because that's the only time I remember anyone saying they did the legwork and looked at Sandroba's past games. If Hiro/VE isn't scum, that statement + the sandroba NK cause me to lean scummier on Djoref (Hiro/VE have played with sandroba, so someone re-reading past games wouldn't be necessary if they're scum).
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Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me.
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If I consider mementoss as town, which I'm wavering on (the djodref case looks like how you build/present cases, rather than the earlier OMGUS one on me, some of the current thoughts are much...townier or much more productive in a townie way than your earlier comments, but I'm stuck in "acting townie because got called out" or "acting townie because is townie and got harrassed" town) then I'm currently looking at:
djodref
thrawn
djo/kush again for voting Hopeless1der in R3. mementoss's case on djodref IS good. There are a lot of things in Djodref's filter that DO look bad, for some reason my gut pushes me the other way though. With the way VE answered my question about Sandroba's NK, that may be enough to push me over the edge on djo, gotta reread him again and check out the recent stuff.
thrawn is almost purely the same set of posts that rubbed mementoss the wrong way, lol.On October 18 2012 03:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
But what still doesn't make sense about is that I can't justify to myself ever being willing to share any of my votes... but there was a TON of hesitation about sandroba vs ON so I can see you taking that risk with your votes.
Austin I decided to work out what my new list would be, in a hypothetical scenario where I decide you're town. It comes out looking like this:
1 mementoss
2 Djodref
3 hiro
4 da0ud
5 austin
6 kushm4sta
7 hopeless1der
8 thrawn
That would be my new list of most scum to most town. Mementoss gets the first place because your case against him is very convincing. I'll have to go through his filter again myself but every time you've made a memtoss case I've found it convincing. Of course that list would have to be adjusted based on what everyone else is doing, because we are in fact listing our top choices for lynch instead of our top scumreads. But anyways what do you think about djodref? I think that if you're town, then the remaining scum are probably within mem, djo, hiro. Da0 is a guy like kush said, I don't have strong convictions about. My gut read tells me that his scumhunting has extremely newbie townie traits but on the other hand I don't want to ignore the reads of ET and sand. On October 18 2012 04:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
how does it not make sense? if one of the people who i've been mostly suspicious of (austin) is making a case against you.... do you not see how that would make me change my mind about his cases if I decide he's town?
if you want to call me scum go for it but please do me the courtesy of saying more than it "rubs you the wrong way"
The whole "I've been finding you scummy, but your case is very convincing, so if I find you townie then mementoss is my number one scumread" bit rubs me the wrong way/doesn't feel good/etc. How convincing my case is shouldn't turn on my alignment. If he just said that mementoss and I feel diametrically opposed, can't both be the same alignment, that would feel alright, but adding this middle step of the case on mementoss is unnecessary. He's sort of giving himself a variety of outs depending on flips, and almost overjustifying doing so, or justifying doing so with an odd statement.
I'll look at them more thoroughly and get back with thoughts.
VE, if you check djodref's town filter from newbie XXVIII, the smileys = scum thing doesn't quite hold up with him. I know you noted it was the weakest part, but dude likes smilies.
+ Show Spoiler +Things off the top of my head that make thrawn unlikely to be scum: voted ON R4, used my votes to vote ON R4, was asking me about my read on djoref, which I'm mixed on: [list][*]Actually wants my read on djoref (town)[*]Wants to know what I think of djoref, whether I'm a threat, in order to take sides on the mementoss/austin thing if that's what the lynch today comes down to(scummy, if djoref scum)
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wait you think mementoss is town now? did I miss something?
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On October 18 2012 22:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me.
Hiro's D1 felt townie to me. I've specifically mislynched him before for not being more active in PTP3 when I remembered him being active in other games (Bureaucracy mainly). If you read scum QT from aperture, I was talking with him about that, and he said he just hasn't been able to be overly active lately.
Based on that, I don't think Hiro was scum this game. I'm reworking those thoughts, but I don't think I'm currently scummy on VE either.
For a mementoss/x scumteam, ack. I'm probably leaning mementoss/djo. mementoss can bus djo because he can actually make a good case on djo, knows where djo has slipped up and looked scummy. Hit those points, look like town mementoss, filp scum djo, probably get me off his back and then survive til lategame? I think that's pushing it, but there's still a big part of me that's absolutely sure djo or kush is scum because of those R3 votes on hopeless. We know ON was safe in R3 until the last moment. We know that scum couldn't/didn't save ON in R4. Simplest explanation for that is that scum expended a lot of votes in R3 trying to save ON there, and were just out of gas in R4, didn't have the votes to save him.
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On October 18 2012 22:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
wait you think mementoss is town now? did I miss something?
I'm trying to figure this out.
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Oh and you're saying it's useless but it rubs everyone the wrong way the longer you continue not making a list. Same stuff with your D1 "I'm only gonna use one vote till the finals then give away the majority of my votes."
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On October 18 2012 22:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
time for an austin question
mementoss, pretend that you are an outside observer of this game. pretend that you think mementoss is confirmed scum. who do you think his scum buddy would be?
oh great an austin question.
If it was me looking in and I was thinking mementoss is confirmed scum I would say his partner would be scum austin in a masterfully beatiful QT collab.
But less masterful maybe mementoss/kush might make sense?
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On October 18 2012 21:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush talk about your #1 austin pick plz
bump this needs to be answered
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I don't understand why people believed I could be scum because I did this scale ranking before we ended up having it for real in D3, but it was pure coincidence.
It was just making sense for me to rank people versus the others.
I have been reading more than talking, and not putting someone at the top of my scale for telling me i am dumb, bad and scum (sorry Thrawn in particular) - or you would all have been number one, Djo number 7, me number 8.
After all, I still want to put Mementoss on the top of my scale, for his changes of mind, votes, as I stated in D2.
I want to push Austin number two currently because he is the one that has the most chances of being lynched instead of me, and I know I should not be killed.
Not too sure who will be 3 and 4 between Hopeless, Hiro/VE. Hiro/VE has not been too very active, I could not find a lot of scumhunting, but has been decently consistent. so I will put Hopeless over Hiro.
Kush and Thrawn will occupy the ranks 6 and 5. They do bring a lot to the discussion and are the ones that make me feel the most how useless I can be sometimes. Scum people would not do that, it would not be beneficial because me behaving badly does create interference which is good for the scum team.
Djo ranked 7, he has made good cases, and did help the town to start changing their mind about me.
1) Mementoss
2) Ausin
3) Hopeless
4) Hiro
5) Thrawn
6) Kush
7) Djo
8) Da0ud
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sigh.... I am having doubts about my kush town read. Go read his D1 filter paying special attention to when he talks about hopeless, ON, and sand. His biggest reaction to anything that happened was when people started voting for ON... like he just completely freaks out about it. basically everything he says about ON during d1 is some kind of defense. Also, he layed down those 6 votes for hopeless in the ON vs hopeless MU. I know everyone is giving him lots of town points for being the person who basically hammered (not correct use of the word but you know what I mean) ON...... but scum kush LOVES to buss. It is literally his favorite fucking thing to do as scum. Go look at newbie xxvii where he spent basically the entire last half of the game bussing jacob.
Kush also didn't do jack shit during D2. He just made a post every now and then letting us know the game was won and we should lynch prplhz/da0.
My read of him in D3 is that he is being dumber than what I expect from him and he's being more of an asshole which are both qualities of scum kush.
I know it's a shitty time to bring up a kush case but I have the feeling that a lot of people (including me) haven't actually read kush's filter because they've just written him off as town because of meta reasons.
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On October 18 2012 22:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me. I'm kind of confused about this here. These are two names that jump out at you?
There are legitimate reasons you could connect them.
VE defends mementoss hard when popping into thread
VE likes mementoss's case on djoref
And probably other things you could find if you went deeper, that's just the last couple pages.
But you're proposing them as a scumteam because they jump out at you? What exactly does that mean?
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On October 18 2012 23:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
sigh.... I am having doubts about my kush town read. Go read his D1 filter paying special attention to when he talks about hopeless, ON, and sand. His biggest reaction to anything that happened was when people started voting for ON... like he just completely freaks out about it. basically everything he says about ON during d1 is some kind of defense. Also, he layed down those 6 votes for hopeless in the ON vs hopeless MU. I know everyone is giving him lots of town points for being the person who basically hammered (not correct use of the word but you know what I mean) ON...... but scum kush LOVES to buss. It is literally his favorite fucking thing to do as scum. Go look at newbie xxvii where he spent basically the entire last half of the game bussing jacob.
Kush also didn't do jack shit during D2. He just made a post every now and then letting us know the game was won and we should lynch prplhz/da0.
My read of him in D3 is that he is being dumber than what I expect from him and he's being more of an asshole which are both qualities of scum kush.
I know it's a shitty time to bring up a kush case but I have the feeling that a lot of people (including me) haven't actually read kush's filter because they've just written him off as town because of meta reasons.
I already mentioned this. But then I thought as scum why would he change his mind about me after re-read and defend me and then take up a case on you without any support.
Also, I can't wrap my mind around that d0ad list. It looks so ass backwards.
While reading this post I kinda got the feeling you wanna lynch into kush/djo for the hopeless ro3 shenanigans?
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On October 18 2012 23:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 22:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me. I'm kind of confused about this here. These are two names that jump out at you? There are legitimate reasons you could connect them. VE defends mementoss hard when popping into thread VE likes mementoss's case on djoref And probably other things you could find if you went deeper, that's just the last couple pages. But you're proposing them as a scumteam because they jump out at you? What exactly does that mean?
To expand on this, what in the serious fuck thrawn? You went through list eliminating people you thought were town, and you didn't eliminate me and hiro. But earlier why did you say this:
On October 18 2012 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin's case against mementoss is quite good. However recently mementoss has been townie as hell. I'd like to see more discussion about djo because recently there's been several things pointed out about him, and we've basically been ignoring him all game.
Actually, better question thrawn. Why haven't you taken a serious stance all day? You just been flopping around commenting on everything and not taking a hard stance to push.
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On October 18 2012 23:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 22:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me. I'm kind of confused about this here. These are two names that jump out at you? There are legitimate reasons you could connect them. VE defends mementoss hard when popping into thread VE likes mementoss's case on djoref And probably other things you could find if you went deeper, that's just the last couple pages. But you're proposing them as a scumteam because they jump out at you? What exactly does that mean?
sorry but i'm saving that thought for later. can't really elaborate on it too much unless certain flips happen that would confirm/deny some of my assumptions
On October 18 2012 23:44 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 23:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
sigh.... I am having doubts about my kush town read. Go read his D1 filter paying special attention to when he talks about hopeless, ON, and sand. His biggest reaction to anything that happened was when people started voting for ON... like he just completely freaks out about it. basically everything he says about ON during d1 is some kind of defense. Also, he layed down those 6 votes for hopeless in the ON vs hopeless MU. I know everyone is giving him lots of town points for being the person who basically hammered (not correct use of the word but you know what I mean) ON...... but scum kush LOVES to buss. It is literally his favorite fucking thing to do as scum. Go look at newbie xxvii where he spent basically the entire last half of the game bussing jacob.
Kush also didn't do jack shit during D2. He just made a post every now and then letting us know the game was won and we should lynch prplhz/da0.
My read of him in D3 is that he is being dumber than what I expect from him and he's being more of an asshole which are both qualities of scum kush.
I know it's a shitty time to bring up a kush case but I have the feeling that a lot of people (including me) haven't actually read kush's filter because they've just written him off as town because of meta reasons. I already mentioned this. But then I thought as scum why would he change his mind about me after re-read and defend me and then take up a case on you without any support. Also, I can't wrap my mind around that d0ad list. It looks so ass backwards. While reading this post I kinda got the feeling you wanna lynch into kush/djo for the hopeless ro3 shenanigans?
it kinda brings me back to this post:
On October 17 2012 21:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok right now I consider the following 100% true, I don't see any loopholes. One of the following statements MUST BE TRUE.
A) there is scum among kush/djo
B) town hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference
C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON
To tell the truth I haven't actually ever tried to read through kush's filter until just a few moments ago. I've assumed he was town all game because of meta reasons and the last time I did that he ended up being scum. Right now I'm not of the opinion that I want to lynch him but that he's not as townie as I thought so I'm going to go through his filter and I suggest everyone do the same, especially if they've, like me, been putting it off all game because of town meta reads.
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also wifom thought,
I know a slight majority of people wanted prplhz over da0d.
But why wasn't scum squirming when there was 2 candidates and scum was one of them?
Or they coulda just told da0d to make a case so everyone was like lol fuck it lynch prphlz, da0d is actually trying
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Yeah thrawn, thats the post I was talking about that you brought up, why did you go from no loop holes and djo/kush and than now you don't want to lynch into them?
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