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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
please don't lynched the claimed vigilante guise. i'm really townie, just look at my play today and how hard i've been hunting for scum. my cases are irrefutable. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Sup? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
##Vote: Marvellosity | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Honestly I have a townread on austin, but a "HOLY FUCK PLEASE DON'T LET HIM BE SCUM" read on BC. But that's pretty much standard where BC and I are concerned. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On October 04 2012 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, after looking through marv's filter and gazing at the people he was fine with lynching and those he defended / tried to suggest were bad options for lynches were Risk.nuke Kush Sharrant. Of these 3 I think it is highly likely that at least 1 is scum. Of the people he accused I think mattchew is most likely to flip red as well. Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. Anyone you want to talk about? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote: Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. Anyone you want to talk about? if you are curious to know why I picked the three names I did with risk, kush and sharrant is because of how he did it. They weren't strong reads, it was like "ima use my name to push this on "meta" or the like". Given that a fair number of the people he actively wanted to lynch have flipped town leads me to believe the ones he defended but kept from talking about in detail are likely people to keep a strong eye on. -_- I am not sure why this is a scarey post, it seems rather logical to me. What specifically are you guys expecting from me here? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. | ||
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ToutEstChaos
France38 Posts
Extremely cool, because it means you're scum. ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does. His statement: On October 03 2012 23:56 ShiaoPi wrote: There is still KP missing I think. Risen was not shot by scum (see marv's reaction lol) I have a hard time believing that both KJ and annul got shot by scum, much more likely that at least one of them ate a vigshot. Austin got shot and was saved. So that makes it a total of 3 shots, assuming a vigshot on KJ/annul there is one more mafia KP around unaccounted for (at least if this game more or less follows the pattern of other big games) isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction. I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this: On October 04 2012 02:28 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am heading to bed now, sharing this before I do so: mkfuba07: First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch. Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them. My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote: Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin: - he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents. So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention) - the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us - that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time. If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now ##unvote Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote: What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture. Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote: ##Unvote Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window. As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain? Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone. ##Vote Shady Sands He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote: Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities... I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again. Not sure if this will do anything, but: ##Unvote ##Vote Node Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch. After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game? ...(checking through filters)... ...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me. Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway). Summarizing: I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively. What happened to your Node read fuba? On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv? Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town? The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie". One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is. This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: >fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv. ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress, and since I've called you out you've posted even less. Unless you want to be vigied at best you should respond properly to this ##FoS | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote: Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation. Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote: im so town though This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:32 ToutEstChaos wrote: Extremely cool, because it means you're scum. ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does. His statement: isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction. I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this: Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town? The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie". One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is. This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: >fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv. ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress, and since I've called you out you've posted even less. Unless you want to be vigied at best you should respond properly to this ##FoS This seems pretty legit. I've played with shiaopi in LVII and it was a totally different ball game. He was low and quiet during most of the game and finished it with brilliant dead-on reads. I agree with our french (smurf?) friend that his line of reasoning is extremely weak and forced compared to his LVII play. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. That's him as townie, and that's him as scum. Unfortunately it's either vig or policy lynch for him. I think he fits his town meta a bit more then his scum meta, but I could be wrong here. Would be nice if someone who's played witih him, such as kreb (I think?) could attest to this. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. Dude my mom is an english major too... I think that means we are spiritual brothers. And that's cold about my recent posts! I think my posting has improved greatly since the first day as it always does. I've been giving my thoughts and reads freely. I've been asking people questions. The only thing I haven't done is made big wall of text cases. But honestly I threw away all my towncred d1 so I doubt anyone would read them anyway. ALSO This is a huge game so people who are better at this game always say what I would say better and before I do. Therefore there hasn't really been the opportunity or the drive for walls of text. ALSO compiling all those cases against VE.. that took like 20 minutes give me some credit there. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
VIG or POLICY LYNCH me?? Wtf am i doing wrong? I have NOT been trolling at all. I have NOT been raging. I've been doing my best so go away and continue shitting up this thread with your useless thoughts that are always wrong. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Also if I get lynched can it please be darthpenguin (the replacement guy) who leads the bandwagon. I want poetic justice. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On October 04 2012 12:03 kushm4sta wrote: Dude my mom is an english major too... I think that means we are spiritual brothers. And that's cold about my recent posts! I think my posting has improved greatly since the first day as it always does. I've been giving my thoughts and reads freely. I've been asking people questions. The only thing I haven't done is made big wall of text cases. But honestly I threw away all my towncred d1 so I doubt anyone would read them anyway. ALSO This is a huge game so people who are better at this game always say what I would say better and before I do. Therefore there hasn't really been the opportunity or the drive for walls of text. ALSO compiling all those cases against VE.. that took like 20 minutes give me some credit there. I can give credit for compiling, but its not giving original content, its just pushing old content. I think you can understand why I would have an issue with it? | ||
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kushm4sta
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