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So. I have solved that game. BillMurray and Grush have to be scum.
Shiao Pi Has a claim that I believe. The fact that his claim was not to save himself or for personal gain makes it all the more credible. He counter claimed Toad who was fake claiming. Shiao Pi is TOWN
Allison. I was worried about Allison as I had not really paid attention to her. But a few things convinced me of Her alignment.
- Grush shoved Me and allison into a scum team. I am not scum. And both Gravan and BM have pushed for me to be lynched. If gravan Is pushing allison as the other scum then it is likely she is town.
- I looked over her filter. Standard lurker fare. HOWEVER. She switched onto S&B when votes were 6-4 causing them to be 5-5 If she had not switched. S&B would not have been lynched. It is apparent to me that the sudden shift onto S&B was so swift that it took BM and Grush By surprise. I don't not think he was bussed. Therefore Imallison is TOWN.
By process of elimination BillMurray and Grush have to be scum.
Allison and Shiao please vote for BM or grush.
GG.
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On September 19 2012 13:43 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:04 grush57 wrote:
Dang he went to bed, we would of both been confirmed town. I'm tracker read the damn thread >_>
He is scum. He is trying to hint he is blue. He has been doing it by hinting a Mad Hatter claim all game. And admitted to making shit up to save himself. BM and Grush are not idiots. Their style has been intentional all game. They are scum.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
what makes you so sure on allinson? when he switched it was still going to be a lynch on gravan. we now know hopeless was green. allinson could have switched without anticipating another switch so shortly before deafline
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
also grush looks more like his towntroll-version, imo. bm would be worth a consideration but i feel better about allinson right now. cant do more heavy analysis since i am on my phone in class atm
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
DP talk to meeee..... only us in here right now anyway
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On September 19 2012 13:50 ShiaoPi wrote:
also grush looks more like his towntroll-version, imo. bm would be worth a consideration but i feel better about allinson right now. cant do more heavy analysis since i am on my phone in class atm
I explained in my Post. I am happy with A BM Lynch also. I really don't see how you could be convinced that grush is town if you read his filter. If Allison is scum Then BM must be scum. Because I doubt scum Grush would bus allison at this point. If grush is scum BM is scum. If Allison is scum BM is scum. either way BM IS SCUM. I still think grush and BM are it though.
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On September 19 2012 14:00 ShiaoPi wrote:
DP talk to meeee..... only us in here right now anyway
Yeah I am posting lol. Just slow cause I am trying to listen to my lectures at the same time lol.
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Going to take another look at Allisons filter.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On September 19 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 13:50 ShiaoPi wrote:
also grush looks more like his towntroll-version, imo. bm would be worth a consideration but i feel better about allinson right now. cant do more heavy analysis since i am on my phone in class atm I explained in my Post. I am happy with A BM Lynch also. I really don't see how you could be convinced that grush is town if you read his filter. If Allison is scum Then BM must be scum. Because I doubt scum Grush would bus allison at this point. If grush is scum BM is scum. If Allison is scum BM is scum. either way BM IS SCUM. I still think grush and BM are it though.
its based on meta. hard to explain, but he does not feel like th TLVI in which he was scum.
why does BM has to be scum if allinson is? Where do you see the connection? or just elimination?
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On September 19 2012 14:05 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 19 2012 13:50 ShiaoPi wrote:
also grush looks more like his towntroll-version, imo. bm would be worth a consideration but i feel better about allinson right now. cant do more heavy analysis since i am on my phone in class atm I explained in my Post. I am happy with A BM Lynch also. I really don't see how you could be convinced that grush is town if you read his filter. If Allison is scum Then BM must be scum. Because I doubt scum Grush would bus allison at this point. If grush is scum BM is scum. If Allison is scum BM is scum. either way BM IS SCUM. I still think grush and BM are it though. its based on meta. hard to explain, but he does not feel like th TLVI in which he was scum. why does BM has to be scum if allinson is? Where do you see the connection? or just elimination?
Because Grush Lumped Allison and I as scum together. If allison is scum would grush have bussed her? It is elimination. If Allison is, Grush isn't and therefore BM is.
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Meh Nothing in Allisons filter. I think my reasoning is pretty solid though. ATM I want to lynch BM because I can't see any scum team that does not include him.
Leaning towards.
BM Allison
OR
BM Grush.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
I'll be posting again later. Just for the record I'd rather lynch allinson today. out for now
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On September 19 2012 14:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
I'll be posting again later. Just for the record I'd rather lynch allinson today. out for now
OK I am definately up for it. BUT I would like to see some sort of a case. Rather than 'I would rather lynch her. '
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OK. I have soccer and the gym. Be back later. Hopefully someone other than myself and shiao have something substantial to say.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Okay I am pretty sure that the scumteam is Imallinson and Darthpunk.
Why?
First off imallinson:
All the things I pointed out in the night are still valid. Seeing Hopeless' flip actually strengthens the suspicion that I had about Imallinson switching to look "good" after a Gravan mislynch. As Hopeless was town he simply did not anticipate him switching 3 minutes prior to deadline. Imallinson switched 6 minutes prior to deadline, as hopeless was not posting during the time, I say that it was a pretty safe bet to have "bussed" SnB without the need to flip him, with a consequential gravan mislynch. As we know now, Hopeless messed that up. Imallinsons defense:
On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote:
I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum.
is only valid if Hopeless would have been red. He flipped green and now it gets even more obvious that imallinsons voteswitch was not consequential if Hopeless had not hammered SnB last minute. Since the daypost imallinson has not been to the thread again, I say he is scum. Hopefully (troll)town is willing to go along with me on this vote.
##vote: Imallinson
On to Darthpunk:
I know I had him pegged as town the night before, but him wanting to lynch into BM/grush which is basically a coinflip is pretty damning in my eyes, also add the things I listed the night prior with buddying (it happened in this day-phase again) and the weird accusations thrown at Kreb. Obviously part of my read hinges on the fact that we I am connecting DP with Imallinson. There is also another interesting thing about the interactions between the two. Starting this day DP started to address imallinson as "she" (I have no clue about imallinsons gender) but nowhere in the thread did imallinson said that "she" was a girl and wanted to be adressed as such. That only leaves the option that they must have been communicating in private----> read ScumQT!
Also his posts today have been pretty defending towards imallinson, while I continued to add pressure on him/her. Why? He even says that imallinsons filter is:
On September 19 2012 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:
- Grush shoved Me and allison into a scum team. I am not scum. And both Gravan and BM have pushed for me to be lynched. If gravan Is pushing allison as the other scum then it is likely she is town.
- I looked over her filter. Standard lurker fare. HOWEVER. She switched onto S&B when votes were 6-4 causing them to be 5-5 If she had not switched. S&B would not have been lynched. It is apparent to me that the sudden shift onto S&B was so swift that it took BM and Grush By surprise. I don't not think he was bussed. Therefore Imallison is TOWN.
Note that his first argument is firstly not really an argument as we have to take his sentence about his alignment at facevalue, but also why is it likely for imallinson to be town if she was pushed by gravan? Gravan flipped green.....It makes no fucking sense at all. I already invalidated the SnB switch argument which would be in favor of a green imallinson, so how can someone with "standard lurker fare" be a townread?
Yeah, if my trolly town-friends are willing to follow my reads we got this in the bag.
Lynch imallinson today, lynch Darthpunk tomorrow and we won. GG!
it also kind of happened as process of elimination. I'm not scum, I don't think that grush is scum right now. BM I am unsure of but I am pretty sure on imallinson and when he/she flips red DP is red as well.
Gogo my troll-friends! Put down those votes!
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On September 19 2012 17:22 ShiaoPi wrote:Okay I am pretty sure that the scumteam is Imallinson and Darthpunk.
Why? First off imallinson: All the things I pointed out in the night are still valid. Seeing Hopeless' flip actually strengthens the suspicion that I had about Imallinson switching to look "good" after a Gravan mislynch. As Hopeless was town he simply did not anticipate him switching 3 minutes prior to deadline. Imallinson switched 6 minutes prior to deadline, as hopeless was not posting during the time, I say that it was a pretty safe bet to have "bussed" SnB without the need to flip him, with a consequential gravan mislynch. As we know now, Hopeless messed that up. Imallinsons defense: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote:
I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum. is only valid if Hopeless would have been red. He flipped green and now it gets even more obvious that imallinsons voteswitch was not consequential if Hopeless had not hammered SnB last minute. Since the daypost imallinson has not been to the thread again, I say he is scum. Hopefully (troll)town is willing to go along with me on this vote. ##vote: Imallinson
If anything I'd say Hopeless being killed makes me look more town. Why, if I was scum, would I base my defence on someone who I know is going to die and who's dying makes me look really bad. I haven't been here since the day post due to trying to sleep/a bit of actually sleeping/waking up feeling like shit. If you look at my previous posting I've always either posted something quick if I had a strong read after the day post or nothing at all. As for the supposed bus of SnB it would make no sense from a scum perspective. Although I wouldn't know hopeless was around I knew Gravan was and if I was scum would have known he was town and would have switched his vote. As for who I think is scum I think Grush and BM look like a really obvious scum team. Your reason for for not thinking that is meta based and we've already had a terrible mislynch based on meta so I'm reluctant to go on that again. Both Grush and BM have been very anti town all game. You I see as definitely town because there is no reason for you to fake claim when you did. Darth is possibly scum but has generally played pro town so I'm much less sure about it than Grush or BM.
##Vote: Grush
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On September 19 2012 17:22 ShiaoPi wrote:Okay I am pretty sure that the scumteam is Imallinson and Darthpunk.
Why? First off imallinson: All the things I pointed out in the night are still valid. Seeing Hopeless' flip actually strengthens the suspicion that I had about Imallinson switching to look "good" after a Gravan mislynch. As Hopeless was town he simply did not anticipate him switching 3 minutes prior to deadline. Imallinson switched 6 minutes prior to deadline, as hopeless was not posting during the time, I say that it was a pretty safe bet to have "bussed" SnB without the need to flip him, with a consequential gravan mislynch. As we know now, Hopeless messed that up. Imallinsons defense: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote:
I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum. is only valid if Hopeless would have been red. He flipped green and now it gets even more obvious that imallinsons voteswitch was not consequential if Hopeless had not hammered SnB last minute. Since the daypost imallinson has not been to the thread again, I say he is scum. Hopefully (troll)town is willing to go along with me on this vote. ##vote: ImallinsonOn to Darthpunk: I know I had him pegged as town the night before, but him wanting to lynch into BM/grush which is basically a coinflip is pretty damning in my eyes, also add the things I listed the night prior with buddying (it happened in this day-phase again) and the weird accusations thrown at Kreb. Obviously part of my read hinges on the fact that we I am connecting DP with Imallinson. There is also another interesting thing about the interactions between the two. Starting this day DP started to address imallinson as "she" (I have no clue about imallinsons gender) but nowhere in the thread did imallinson said that "she" was a girl and wanted to be adressed as such. That only leaves the option that they must have been communicating in private----> read ScumQT! Also his posts today have been pretty defending towards imallinson, while I continued to add pressure on him/her. Why? He even says that imallinsons filter is: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:
- Grush shoved Me and allison into a scum team. I am not scum. And both Gravan and BM have pushed for me to be lynched. If gravan Is pushing allison as the other scum then it is likely she is town.
- I looked over her filter. Standard lurker fare. HOWEVER. She switched onto S&B when votes were 6-4 causing them to be 5-5 If she had not switched. S&B would not have been lynched. It is apparent to me that the sudden shift onto S&B was so swift that it took BM and Grush By surprise. I don't not think he was bussed. Therefore Imallison is TOWN.
Note that his first argument is firstly not really an argument as we have to take his sentence about his alignment at facevalue, but also why is it likely for imallinson to be town if she was pushed by gravan? Gravan flipped green.....It makes no fucking sense at all. I already invalidated the SnB switch argument which would be in favor of a green imallinson, so how can someone with "standard lurker fare" be a townread?
Yeah, if my trolly town-friends are willing to follow my reads we got this in the bag. Lynch imallinson today, lynch Darthpunk tomorrow and we won. GG!it also kind of happened as process of elimination. I'm not scum, I don't think that grush is scum right now. BM I am unsure of but I am pretty sure on imallinson and when he/she flips red DP is red as well. Gogo my troll-friends! Put down those votes!
Well. That has got to be the worst case I have ever seen. I call goodkarma she/he interchangeably. and others. There is no gender on the internet and stating that because I use gender specific terms interchangeably is some sort of proof we communicate is ridiculous. Also I read the name as Allison in my head. Have stated it that all game (check my filter) obviously there is a reason I use she...
I think my theory by process of elimination is sound. I am not 100% on allison. But why the fuck would she have caused the mislynch of S&B when a gravan mislynch was inevitable without Swapping?
The rest of my 'soft defense' was clearly stating her filter to be a null read. Which it is. Read it yourself. Anyway If you lynch me we will lose. As you have now given an excuse for Grush and BM to do that very thing. This is pretty much GG.
You are obviously not scum. I just think you are being Incredibly stupid.
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Also Shiao. You are giving BM and grush a free ride. read their incredibly scummy filters FFS. If one of them is not scum I will quit Mafia forever.
Yeah. We lose. Fucking Knew this would happen. All game I say 'Lynch BM and Grush they are scummy as fuck and major liability at LYLO.' Get to LYLO. Lose by the very fact of their existence.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Read DP, I want to lynch imallinson. He/she flips red you are red too. Easy as pie
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