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Worth noting on Grush too: Hes called lots of people scummy, but the following three posts were the only three I could find where he was (very very soft) defending people.
On the BKE case:
On September 08 2012 06:39 grush57 wrote:
Not hard defending him, I'm just pointing out things in your case. He isn't 100% scum, but if it comes down to it I'll probably vote for him.
On a post made by Z-Boson targetted at S&B:
On September 10 2012 05:25 grush57 wrote:
Oh Z-Boson, you are so confused.
S&B was not contradicting himself at all in that post.
On September 14 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote:
Nice find there sloosh.
##Vote: Maverick32x
Also you guys don't get how BM plays.
These are the only times he attempted to defend someone. One flipped green, but he also expressed that he'd be willing to vote for him. One flipped red. The third is still in the game (and Im very suspicious of).
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How I think atm:
grush57 - Highly suspicious
Bill Murray - Suspicious
DarthPunk - Neutral, gonna take a long read through his filter tomorrow
ShiaoP - No reason to not believe the claim, town.
imallison - The only town I feel I kinda could be wrong about, but still putting him on town side for S&B vote and previous filter-reading.
Hopeless1dr - Tipped the vote against S&B, should be town.
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I am kind of glad Rewok got mod killed because he would have been a serious liability tomorrow. Kreb Could you please post a case on me if you keep lumping in with BM and Grush as scummy. From what I have gathered you are suspicious of me because I have not been under suspicion and because I felt townie. Read my filter. Read my interactions with the other players in the game etc. and post a case. It is far preferable than what you are currently doing. Especially at LYLO.
That goes for all of you. If you think someone is scummy Make a case. Bring as much info out into the open as possible. So that we can inform ourselves and make the best decision. The last cycle was terrible. We miss lynched shady and have no info and no discussion from it.
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Yeah Kreb is prolly scum. He gave me that vibe the whole game and he won't make a hard stance on anyone. He is just pointing things out on the easy lynch. T_T
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On September 18 2012 09:45 DarthPunk wrote:
I am kind of glad Rewok got mod killed because he would have been a serious liability tomorrow. Kreb Could you please post a case on me if you keep lumping in with BM and Grush as scummy. From what I have gathered you are suspicious of me because I have not been under suspicion and because I felt townie. Read my filter. Read my interactions with the other players in the game etc. and post a case. It is far preferable than what you are currently doing. Especially at LYLO.
That goes for all of you. If you think someone is scummy Make a case. Bring as much info out into the open as possible. So that we can inform ourselves and make the best decision. The last cycle was terrible. We miss lynched shady and have no info and no discussion from it.
Im not suspicious. I just kind of acknowledged that you're the one I've put the least thinking into. And given that no one else seems to neither put you as town nor mafia, that seems to fit others too. Also I tried to make it clear in the last post where I stand in your case.
For now its 02:50 and I dont feel Im in a state where I wanna dive more deeply into this game until I've slept. I know I'll have time tomorrow too. I promise to post what I feel about you before the night kill, be it more mafia-like or town-like.
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On September 18 2012 09:26 Kreb wrote:Worth noting on Grush too: Hes called lots of people scummy, but the following three posts were the only three I could find where he was (very very soft) defending people. On the BKE case: Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:39 grush57 wrote:
Not hard defending him, I'm just pointing out things in your case. He isn't 100% scum, but if it comes down to it I'll probably vote for him. On a post made by Z-Boson targetted at S&B: Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 05:25 grush57 wrote:
Oh Z-Boson, you are so confused.
S&B was not contradicting himself at all in that post. Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote:
Nice find there sloosh.
##Vote: Maverick32x
Also you guys don't get how BM plays. These are the only times he attempted to defend someone. One flipped green, but he also expressed that he'd be willing to vote for him. One flipped red. The third is still in the game (and Im very suspicious of).
I like how no one realized I wasn't defending him.
Sigh.
Though I guess I did indirectly.
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Kreb demonstrated some pretty clearly anti town behaviour during the shady bandwagon. Shiao Pi and I were trying to get some discussion going and kreb joins the thread to pretty much shut it down and encourage the non activity that was the previous status quo during the last cycle.
On September 17 2012 23:20 Kreb wrote:
Its usually dead around now since its work/school time for EU and sleep time for NA.
Plus, its quite obvious whos gonna get lynched. Some talk about whats coming after doesnt hurt, but a lot still depends on the flip.
On September 17 2012 23:24 Kreb wrote:
Unless someone comes in like sloosh did with S&B that is. Or Shady makes an effort to prevent it. Other than those options its kinda downtime atm....
He then goes on to state that the past 48 hours were wasted. despite making every effort to ensure that was the case. Clearly anti town behaviour. I don't think this makes him scum for sure. But if we throw away the assumption that no scum Bussed S&B then it looks pretty suspicious.
On September 18 2012 07:48 Kreb wrote:
That was a wasted 48h.....
Also, didnt Rewok miss the vote?
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Ehm? Is that a troll or are you just fishing for a reaction or something?
What I see is a handful of sentences stating what the state of the thread is. I even go as far as to say that "Some talk about whats coming after doesnt hurt". Not gonna claim I encouraged discussion exactly either, because I wasnt. But please, do elaborate on how I "encouraged the non activity" and "made by best efforts" (I wonder what my worst efforts look like if thats my best....) to waste 48h.
You're accusing me of shutting down a (highly contributory?) discussion which wasnt there. If you two guys had something to say, YOU should have said it. Im supposed to be responsible for you two not sharing possibly vital information by stating the situation?
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On September 18 2012 16:27 Kreb wrote:
Ehm? Is that a troll or are you just fishing for a reaction or something?
What I see is a handful of sentences stating what the state of the thread is. I even go as far as to say that "Some talk about whats coming after doesnt hurt". Not gonna claim I encouraged discussion exactly either, because I wasnt. But please, do elaborate on how I "encouraged the non activity" and "made by best efforts" (I wonder what my worst efforts look like if thats my best....) to waste 48h.
You're accusing me of shutting down a (highly contributory?) discussion which wasnt there. If you two guys had something to say, YOU should have said it. Im supposed to be responsible for you two not sharing possibly vital information by stating the situation?
We tried to get some discussion happening when the thread had been dead for the whole cycle. You popped in added nothing at all apart from letting us know it was pointless. This was clearly anti town behaviour. Your over-reaction to my soft prodding though is worrisome.
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You're not elaborating very well. You have called it "encouraging non activity", "making my best efforts to waste 48h" and now its "ladded nothing apart from letting you know it was pointless". You're saying the same thing three times and use one of the three things to back up the other. Its like saying "this is great because its awesome". But then why is it awesome?
Explain like Im 5 years old: Where do I do this?
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On September 18 2012 16:57 Kreb wrote:
You're not elaborating very well. You have called it "encouraging non activity", "making my best efforts to waste 48h" and now its "ladded nothing apart from letting you know it was pointless". You're saying the same thing three times and use one of the three things to back up the other. Its like saying "this is great because its awesome". But then why is it awesome?
Explain like Im 5 years old: Where do I do this?
It is pretty obvious where it occurred really. Seeing as I quoted it.
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On September 18 2012 10:08 DarthPunk wrote:Kreb demonstrated some pretty clearly anti town behaviour during the shady bandwagon. Shiao Pi and I were trying to get some discussion going and kreb joins the thread to pretty much shut it down and encourage the non activity that was the previous status quo during the last cycle. Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 23:20 Kreb wrote:
Its usually dead around now since its work/school time for EU and sleep time for NA.
Plus, its quite obvious whos gonna get lynched. Some talk about whats coming after doesnt hurt, but a lot still depends on the flip. Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 23:24 Kreb wrote:
Unless someone comes in like sloosh did with S&B that is. Or Shady makes an effort to prevent it. Other than those options its kinda downtime atm.... He then goes on to state that the past 48 hours were wasted. despite making every NO effort to ensure that was WASN'T the case. Clearly anti town behaviour. I don't think this makes him scum for sure. But if we throw away the assumption that no scum Bussed S&B then it looks pretty suspicious. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:48 Kreb wrote:
That was a wasted 48h.....
Also, didnt Rewok miss the vote?
Happy?
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Anyway, onto DPs filter.
I dont have anything I would call particularly scummy. The "problem" might be that he's largely been targetting BM (and a lttile bit onto Grush at the start) and since we havent seen BMs flip its hard to say what motives are behind it. But the cases he presents are at least well thought out and I agreed (and still agree) with a lot of the points. I find it unlikely they would be some kind of scum team trying to look like different alignment, the cases are a bit too extensive for that imo. That leaves the possibility of DP being scum and the others town, but thats waaaaaay less likely than the other way around with the way Grush and BM has behaved throughout the game.
So here we go: Im calling Grush/BM scum team.
Grush: Already posted about him two posts recently. The cases arent exactly waterproofs, but considering their his activity its pretty much impossible to create one. But with mostly solid town reads on the rest and medium scum reads on Grush, I see no other option.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 09:26 Kreb wrote:Worth noting on Grush too: Hes called lots of people scummy, but the following three posts were the only three I could find where he was (very very soft) defending people. On the BKE case: Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:39 grush57 wrote:
Not hard defending him, I'm just pointing out things in your case. He isn't 100% scum, but if it comes down to it I'll probably vote for him. On a post made by Z-Boson targetted at S&B: Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 05:25 grush57 wrote:
Oh Z-Boson, you are so confused.
S&B was not contradicting himself at all in that post. Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote:
Nice find there sloosh.
##Vote: Maverick32x
Also you guys don't get how BM plays. These are the only times he attempted to defend someone. One flipped green, but he also expressed that he'd be willing to vote for him. One flipped red. The third is still in the game (and Im very suspicious of).
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 08:09 Kreb wrote:
I cant really say I have much due to what he has said. But I decided to take a different approach to this. And I might have found something. Lets look at Grushs posting habits around night posts:
Night 5 post: Palmar Iceland. September 18 2012 07:30. Posts 5910
Grush post night 5: grush57 Korea (South). September 18 2012 07:43. Posts 1372
13minutes after
Night 4: Quatol Burkina Faso. September 15 2012 07:16. Posts 55
Grush: grush57 Korea (South). September 15 2012 07:29. Posts 1372
13min after
Night 3: marvellosity United Kingdom. September 12 2012 07:01. Posts 5085
Grush: grush57 Korea (South). September 12 2012 07:18. Posts 1372
17min after
BUT
Also: grush57 Korea (South). September 12 2012 06:40. Posts 1372
21min before
Night 2: Nothing close
Night 1: marvellosity United Kingdom. September 06 2012 07:34. Posts 5086
Grush: grush57 Korea (South). September 06 2012 06:48. Posts 1372
46min before, but only 12min before deadline
grush57 Korea (South). September 06 2012 07:50. Posts 1372
16min after
My point: Grush has clearly been around 4 out of 5 nights. He was also posting soon before deadline Night 1 and 3.
WHY WASNT GRUSH POSTING PRE-NIGHT 4, WHILE WE WERE ALL SWITCHING TO S&B?
Obviously, not proof. And hes gonna say he wasnt there, which we cant say anything about. But lacking something on his posting content this might be something to go on.
Gonna take a closer look at DP/BM tomorrow too most likely.
BM: Little needs to be said which I havent already said in various posts. But a quick recap.
- He is not answering to questions
- He is switching votes on and off people all the time
- He doesnt explain why these vote switches occur
- Hasnt built a single serious case and attempted to push it through
- He has taken lots and lots of chances to taunt us by purposedly expressing opinions rivalling the general opinion, to further build him as "someone who just plays like that".
- He is, obviously, well aware that hes doing all of this. But what motives would you have to not do this? The obvious answer is that by purposedly "overacting" his scummyness he can hide behind a notion that people will excuse him because "its his meta".
Now, I would very much like DP/allison/hopeless/Shiao to comment on this? Do you agree? Is it weak, if so why? Do you have any other solid reasons to believe anyone else is scummy? Lets get this discussion going.
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On September 18 2012 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 10:08 DarthPunk wrote:Kreb demonstrated some pretty clearly anti town behaviour during the shady bandwagon. Shiao Pi and I were trying to get some discussion going and kreb joins the thread to pretty much shut it down and encourage the non activity that was the previous status quo during the last cycle. On September 17 2012 23:20 Kreb wrote:
Its usually dead around now since its work/school time for EU and sleep time for NA.
Plus, its quite obvious whos gonna get lynched. Some talk about whats coming after doesnt hurt, but a lot still depends on the flip. On September 17 2012 23:24 Kreb wrote:
Unless someone comes in like sloosh did with S&B that is. Or Shady makes an effort to prevent it. Other than those options its kinda downtime atm.... He then goes on to state that the past 48 hours were wasted. despite making every NO effort to ensure that was WASN'T the case. Clearly anti town behaviour. I don't think this makes him scum for sure. But if we throw away the assumption that no scum Bussed S&B then it looks pretty suspicious. On September 18 2012 07:48 Kreb wrote:
That was a wasted 48h.....
Also, didnt Rewok miss the vote? Happy?
Yes, very much. I can agree with the last part now (still not agreeing with "encouraging non activity"). Its absolutely true I made no effort to stop it. I saw no point since we were quite unanimous and it would have felt very "forced" trying to find an alternative target when we were already happy with the current one. I thought thats how everyone was reasoning, considering no one made an effort to stop the (mis)lynch. Oh well.
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On September 18 2012 17:26 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 18 2012 10:08 DarthPunk wrote:Kreb demonstrated some pretty clearly anti town behaviour during the shady bandwagon. Shiao Pi and I were trying to get some discussion going and kreb joins the thread to pretty much shut it down and encourage the non activity that was the previous status quo during the last cycle. On September 17 2012 23:20 Kreb wrote:
Its usually dead around now since its work/school time for EU and sleep time for NA.
Plus, its quite obvious whos gonna get lynched. Some talk about whats coming after doesnt hurt, but a lot still depends on the flip. On September 17 2012 23:24 Kreb wrote:
Unless someone comes in like sloosh did with S&B that is. Or Shady makes an effort to prevent it. Other than those options its kinda downtime atm.... He then goes on to state that the past 48 hours were wasted. despite making every NO effort to ensure that was WASN'T the case. Clearly anti town behaviour. I don't think this makes him scum for sure. But if we throw away the assumption that no scum Bussed S&B then it looks pretty suspicious. On September 18 2012 07:48 Kreb wrote:
That was a wasted 48h.....
Also, didnt Rewok miss the vote? Happy? Yes, very much. I can agree with the last part now (still not agreeing with "encouraging non activity"). Its absolutely true I made no effort to stop it. I saw no point since we were quite unanimous and it would have felt very "forced" trying to find an alternative target when we were already happy with the current one. I thought thats how everyone was reasoning, considering no one made an effort to stop the (mis)lynch. Oh well.
The shady lynch only made sense If Rewok was scum. That was certainly plausible at the time. Even likely, considering the info we had at our disposal. As Shiao Pi stated, the shady lynch was too easy. If rewok had not gone AFK and had also sheeped the shady vote I would have unvoted immediately. That is why I got up at 6 am to check the thread. But rewok didn't vote at all and shady was silent and then scummy in his defense post. So scum got an easy mislynch. We got squat. We needed to push discussion during that lynch because of this exact scenario and to mitigate damage if we mislynched by having something to go off during LYLO. What you did was anti town. Not enough to lynch you off considering your otherwise Pro Town behaviour but certainly cause for concern.
I am in the middle of a response to your case on BM/Grush But I thought I should post this to keep our skirmish separate.
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On September 18 2012 17:39 DarthPunk wrote:
We needed to push discussion during that lynch because of this exact scenario and to mitigate damage if we mislynched by having something to go off during LYLO. What you did was anti town.
As far as I understand, the anti town part I did was not pushing this discussion you mention. If thats anti town to you, then I agree I acted anti town. However, then I also think everyone acted anti town, because no one did push it.
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The only reason I stopped going after BM was that the vets in the game (Toad and Sloosh) Said that they felt taht he was town and I assumed they based this of their knowledge and understanding of his META. That being said. THEY BOTH FLIPPED ASSASSIN. they had a vested interest in misdirecting town to a certain extent. Why? because this gives them more room to find the other assassin. Toad even stated he deliberately sabotaged town in order to give himself more time after our great start.
This means that all the reads and info need that both toad and sloosh provided need to be looked at highly sceptically or even entirely disregarded. My suspicion on BM was allayed by Toad and thus are no longer allayed.
BM has clearly been anti town and difficult to read. I tried lynching him as soon as his behaviour became apparent But it didn't stick. I believe this was due to the machinations of toad who, as assassin was working to delay our victory as long as possible. I really wish we had lynched BM days ago. He is IMPOSSIBLE TO READ. But any other person in any other game would have been killed by now. This is the exact situation I was concerned about. We have BM and Grush at LYLO and they are both serious liabilities.
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On September 18 2012 17:44 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 17:39 DarthPunk wrote:
We needed to push discussion during that lynch because of this exact scenario and to mitigate damage if we mislynched by having something to go off during LYLO. What you did was anti town. As far as I understand, the anti town part I did was not pushing this discussion you mention. If thats anti town to you, then I agree I acted anti town. However, then I also think everyone acted anti town, because no one did push it.
I think this discussion is pointless right now. I don't think you are likely to flip red. and repeating myself on this topic is not helping us catch scum.
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On September 18 2012 09:26 Kreb wrote:Worth noting on Grush too: Hes called lots of people scummy, but the following three posts were the only three I could find where he was (very very soft) defending people. On the BKE case: Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:39 grush57 wrote:
Not hard defending him, I'm just pointing out things in your case. He isn't 100% scum, but if it comes down to it I'll probably vote for him. On a post made by Z-Boson targetted at S&B: Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 05:25 grush57 wrote:
Oh Z-Boson, you are so confused.
S&B was not contradicting himself at all in that post. Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote:
Nice find there sloosh.
##Vote: Maverick32x
Also you guys don't get how BM plays. These are the only times he attempted to defend someone. One flipped green, but he also expressed that he'd be willing to vote for him. One flipped red. The third is still in the game (and Im very suspicious of).
About this. He switched from defending BKE super quickly did a complete turn around and called him scum. It wasn;t very genuine and at the time I thought he was doing this for town cred.
ALSO His posting and behaviour went in to full troll mode after he was accused of being scum by toad. He admits to shitting up the thread and has been a negative thread presence alongside BM all game.
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From my filter.
On September 09 2012 01:07 DarthPunk wrote:OK 1:30 am Have only skimmed the thread. Been playing LOL and GW2. So I need to get a vote down ASAP. I am not going to vote for the blue claim. That is just retarded. BKE is not the best lynch. If he is lying it will become apparent. It is a short sighted play for scum. Far too risky. Super tired. But Grush is scum. He defends BKE after hapa's case. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:23 grush57 wrote:On September 07 2012 21:29 Hapahauli wrote:On September 07 2012 14:48 Bill Murray wrote:
id love to lynch maverick or hapahauli
why are people voting BKE?
can i get a summary of the case? BKE "Fail-Bussed" MattchewRead the bolded segment below (occurs right before Palmar confirms the Mattchew fakeclaim). On September 04 2012 16:20 BroodKingEXE wrote:
About Mattchew (who I think is town):
Here's my breakdown of the situation : Matt's roleclaimed and given two reasons he claimed to avoid mislynch and/or draw a mafia shot. At first glance the roleclaim seemed like a great idea, but as I thought about it there were just too many holes. My initial thought was that it was a good idea and that could have been Matt's (based on the reasoning too). Another problem I find with lynching him is that what he has done (roleclaim) isn't verifiable until he is lynched. Right now its a coinflip and I haven't seen anything else that suggests he is scum. Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch, they're not even able to be confirmed until the lynch, so I cant vote for him unless his posting sounds scummy. BKE states that fake-claiming isn't enough to lynch Mattchew. Hell the entire post is wishy-washy for reasons I pointed out in the case earlier. It's a very scummy post overall, but the "fake-claiming" bit is the most important, because BKE turns around two pages later after the mod confirmation and does this: On September 05 2012 00:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew
Wow. Mattchew hadn't posted anything in the interim to, as BKE put it, "sound scummy." BKE went from not wanting to lynch Mattchew for a fake-claim, and then when everyone jumped on Mattchew, treated the fake-claim like a huge scum-slip. That's all you need to know really. It's indefensible. He said that it wasn't enough to lynch because it wasn't confirmed.After Palmar confirmed him not knowing then he voted for him, like everyone else. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
This reminds me of LVI where BKE got mislynched and he was way scummier that game. When called out on it he backs away at a million miles an hour. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:39 grush57 wrote:
Not hard defending him, I'm just pointing out things in your case. He isn't 100% scum, but if it comes down to it I'll probably vote for him. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 07:13 grush57 wrote:
OK OK I SHEEP LIKE EVERYONE ELSE NOW
##Vote: BroodKingExe
Let's see him flip :D Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 07:35 grush57 wrote:
But.
STARSENSES.
So, will losing a townie help?
That is the question.
Anyways we'll see what BKE flips and we'll go from there. He sheep's after being pressured. But hints that he thinks/knows BKE will Flip green. He then moves from attacking the case on BKE to stating it is the best case we have. AFTER HE CLAIMS BLUE. Which if anything should make him doubt the case even more. But he transitions from sceptic to sheeping to pushing. Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
Sigh, STARSENSES PEOPLE.
I realized it too, whenever I post like 5 times ina row it just completely shits up the thread. The lvdr thing was because when I was going to look at BKE's filter I saw lvdr and a bunch of other lurkers. I NEVER hard defended him I just pointed out a flaw in your case. When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Yep this is too weird. It seems like he was trying to gain town cred from questioning a mislynch. Hints at inside info and reference the flip constantly like he knows he will flip green. When he is revealed to be blue he changes tack and goes from doubting TO PUSHING FOR THE LYNCH OF A CLAIMED WATCHER. This should if anything make him doubt the BKE lynch even more than he had already expressed, but it does the opposite. ##Vote: grush57Caveat: This case is somewhat associative in that it assumes that BKE is telling the truth. However I am 100% against lynching a blue claim as previous games/coaching have told me this is a mistake. If BKE is lying it should be relatively easy to catch later on. He is a bad lynch. Don't do it. Night guys.
On September 09 2012 01:13 DarthPunk wrote:Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning? Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE....................................................................................................... This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate.
On September 09 2012 01:59 DarthPunk wrote:
I am not suspicious of grush because he acts like an idiot or because his posting is bad. I am suspicious because he defends BKE and then backs away from it. Sheeps his case whilst hinting that he will flip green. When BKE claims he is suddenly certain when the natural inclination would be to further doubt the case against BKE. He then trashes his vote onto shady for no reason whatsoever. Despite calling BKE the best case right now.
-Motive:
Gain town cred by questioning what he knows will be a mislynch.
When he claims blue push the lynch to avoid medic saves and a NK
I have no fucking clue why he voted for shady so I will leave it at that.
You Should all read Grush's filter. It is Trolly, entertaining and scummy as hell.
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