EPTHis weird comment on Zephirdd.
How he didn't have a read on Toadesstern but was confident that he'd get one later.
How he didn't try to participate in this game, even in face of his imminent lynch.
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
His weird comment on Zephirdd. How he didn't have a read on Toadesstern but was confident that he'd get one later. How he didn't try to participate in this game, even in face of his imminent lynch. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
We also have some poisons left: 24 hour day Secret ballot Hidden flip Mayoral election I think we should pick mayoral election for tomorrow and then consider having the innocent child claim. If we find someone else that people will agree is town then I don't think we should have the innocent child claim right away because an innocent child in LYLO could be devastating for scum. We should consider if there's someone else we can agree to elect and if not, then have the innocent child can claim for instant election. Talking about who we think is town might also give us a little more content to find the last scum. If risk.nuke flips scum then there's going to be zero scum influence on the election so we don't have to worry about that. Also, if risk.nuke flips scum then hidden flip becomes a freebie. So does secret ballot. 24 hour day isn't going to be a problem if we ever get that far. So no more poison! + Show Spoiler + Also, am I the only one who thinks it's annoying that they're hosting Pick Your Poison and Pick Your Power at the same time and keeps clicking the wrong thread and thinking "since when did marvellosity play in my game?"  | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:35 prplhz wrote: Also, am I the only one who thinks it's annoying that they're hosting Pick Your Poison and Pick Your Power at the same time and keeps clicking the wrong thread and thinking "since when did marvellosity play in my game?" I openly encourage all players to "accidently" post in the other thread just to mess with them | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:38 kitaman27 wrote: I openly encourage all players to "accidently" post in the other thread just to mess with them lynch zelblade! and prplhz, I know you're disappointed <3 | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
##Vote: risk.nuke Everyone should be re-reading Radfield's filter and considering who the final scum could be, assuming risk is scum, because he is. Also something to consider is the votes (Radfield's last post has them). Going along with the 2-1 rb/framer idea, it means that there are 4 townies in each lot, which means the mafia role was randomized. There is a chance that mafia have roleblocker and are holding back to introduce possible doubt on tracker claims we have, because even the possibility of a framer adds doubt. They could also have framer framing people I dunno. Framer can frame himself so if risk doesn't flip framer that's something to keep in mind. If he does we just track most suspicious person and if scum can't snipe him then gg. I'm leaning mayoral poison because its probably good to have a full 48 hours to decide who is the last scum. So IC should just sit tight where he is until we get the mayoral business going, and even then it might be a good idea not to reveal, because if he reveals mafia have a smaller pool of people to shoot from and no doubt they are scared of getting tracked. I'm of opinion that scum lost much of its thread presence with the Toad lynch and are now lurking and whatnot. Speculating that risk was offered as token sacrifice (because if lynch swung and Toad was saved then people would be less likely to doubt him and risk was already under heavy suspicions anyways). So I'm looking at you Sbrubbles! I want more content! | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:35 prplhz wrote: ... we could talk about how we don't have a 1-shot cop, we don't have a vigilante, and we don't have a medic so we have a tracker and an innocent child? We also have some poisons left: 24 hour day Secret ballot Hidden flip Mayoral election I think we should pick mayoral election for tomorrow and then consider having the innocent child claim. If we find someone else that people will agree is town then I don't think we should have the innocent child claim right away because an innocent child in LYLO could be devastating for scum. We should consider if there's someone else we can agree to elect and if not, then have the innocent child can claim for instant election. Talking about who we think is town might also give us a little more content to find the last scum. If risk.nuke flips scum then there's going to be zero scum influence on the election so we don't have to worry about that. Also, if risk.nuke flips scum then hidden flip becomes a freebie. So does secret ballot. 24 hour day isn't going to be a problem if we ever get that far. So no more poison! + Show Spoiler + Also, am I the only one who thinks it's annoying that they're hosting Pick Your Poison and Pick Your Power at the same time and keeps clicking the wrong thread and thinking "since when did marvellosity play in my game?" I was thinking about this yesterday. I still find it so hard to believe that they would give us an innocent child... But since cop still hasn't claimed, I guess you're right. Looking at the way the thread is right now, the last scum (assuming risk flips scum) likely tried to bus risk on day 2 and save Toad. Even if risk isn't scum though, the pool of scum is still probably in that group (tried to lynch risk on day 2, not Toad) | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 07 2012 04:57 prplhz wrote: Also, since no one claimed roleblocked we can assume that they have a 2-shot framer, and since two cycles have passed we can be kind of sure that he used both his shots. Since we don't have any other visiting roles and a night killing scum will always visit someone, our tracker is essentially a cop now. So make sure you breadcrumb everything for everybody else in case you die. This is not necessarily true. I pointed this out yesterday - if mafia got roleblocker they probably wouldn't use it at all, because using it on anyone non-mafia would result in a townie learning that there's a roleblocker and therefore that 2 of the framer voters are scum. Also consider that you're probably right about them giving town a tracker and innocent child (unless we have a really dumb medic and an equally risky scum team) - why bother with roleblocking in that situation when you only have 1 person out of 9 that you could possible affect? (The GMs never answered me if a roleblocker would be allowed to not use their power - if they had to use it then they could just use it on their scumbuddies.) _________________ State of this game: prp and hiro are likely town because of their interactions with toad. It would actually be really funny if they're the last two scum and toad just wanted to bus someone early and often so that two of them could win it in the endgame or something. But very unlikely. sloosh and kurumi are wild cards. both voted toad, sloosh with a little more reasoning, kurumi more quietly. I think they should be nearer the end of lynch orders. Behaviorally, sloosh has been playing the town boyscout role, doing all the homework-y stuff like tabulating votes and cross-checking encryptions and such while kurumi has just stirred the pot and that all is null to me. zephirdd, sbrubbles, and risk nuke have two scum among them. zeph and sbrubbles reacted basically the same way to the toad situation which is kind of weird (see their posts page 26). Either zeph posted what he did because he knew he needed to build distance between both himself and toad + risk, and sbrubbles just sheeped it as town, or sbrubbles saw what zeph did as a blueprint to copy for him to build distance etc etc. Both have some D1 points against them in that toad stated that he was against a zeph lynch and that sbrubbles followed toad on the hiropro lynch. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Sbrubbles who do you think last scum could be? (let's assume risk flips scum) | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
My turn. I say it is slOosh. He focus too much on Sbrubbles(who I don't see as scummy), but does nothing to push him day2 except ask for questions(which weakens his tunneling). Go next! | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
As far as your post on sloOsh, you will see that he articulates his reasons for suspecting Sbrubbles on day 1. Asking questions is not really alignment-indicative, especially for a player like sloOsh who asks a lot of questions both as town (LI) and as mafia (SoAF). Additionally, sloOsh was one of the first people to support Radfield's case on Toad. I see very little reason for mafia to support Toad's lynch at that point, when risk.nuke is a much better candidate to bus, or mislynch (in the unlikely case he is town). | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
It's a way to keep track of town's mentality throughout the game, and a way to keep discussion going. I don't see a drawback in it. Seriously, it's better than a dead game -_- | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Risk's flip does not affect my case at all, as everyone in the game has said that they want risk to be lynched. While it is true that discussion has stalled, I don't think this will carry over at all as a mayor election will come up and the last mafia still needs to be found (assuming risk is scum). I'll have my case and full list of reads out before the end of night. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On June 07 2012 14:10 HiroPro wrote: The reason why I'm not posting it now is that it will not influence the lynch at all, but it does help mafia in their decision for the night kill. Risk's flip does not affect my case at all, as everyone in the game has said that they want risk to be lynched. While it is true that discussion has stalled, I don't think this will carry over at all as a mayor election will come up and the last mafia still needs to be found (assuming risk is scum). I'll have my case and full list of reads out before the end of night. I agree with Hiro, this works like night time. About tomorrow's poison, we'll have a better idea once risk's actually flipped, but I think we can choose mayor lynch. I don't think it will be necessary for IC to claim because with only one mafia left, I doubt that he'll try to run for mayor, but even if he does he'll be under major scrutiny. Tracker can consider claiming (if he feels it will help with defining the mayor lynch), because the remaining scum will have no way of counter claiming (since we'd have time to kill them both). Bleulightz, I'm confused. Majority is players/2+1 now, meaning players/2+2 because of the poison? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On June 08 2012 00:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I agree with Hiro, this works like night time. About tomorrow's poison, we'll have a better idea once risk's actually flipped, but I think we can choose mayor lynch. I don't think it will be necessary for IC to claim because with only one mafia left, I doubt that he'll try to run for mayor, but even if he does he'll be under major scrutiny. Tracker can consider claiming (if he feels it will help with defining the mayor lynch), because the remaining scum will have no way of counter claiming (since we'd have time to kill them both). Bleulightz, I'm confused. Majority is players/2+1 now, meaning players/2+2 because of the poison? Here is a lesson, the majority for day 1 was]6 but majority means more then the minority so it was supposed to be 7, then kita kept repeating the mistake methinks, for today since the majority for 8 is 5, but since there is maj +1 so it is 6. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
So start posting. This is a bonus time of discussion. Seriously, do you think having all our reads in the open will help mafia more than it helps town? The reason why I ask questions is basically because I want a better read on that person. You can see that in my filter (ctrl f "?"). For instance I'm pretty sure I've never asked Hiro a question (beside neutral D0 discussion) because I'm comfortable with my read on him. Ask yourself - what is Sbrubbles thinking? What are his reads? And the answer is probably "I don't know" which can be remedied by asking him questions. Even with his last post what does it boil down to? On June 08 2012 00:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I agree with Hiro, this works like night time. About tomorrow's poison, we'll have a better idea once risk's actually flipped, but I think we can choose mayor lynch. I don't think it will be necessary for IC to claim because with only one mafia left, I doubt that he'll try to run for mayor, but even if he does he'll be under major scrutiny. Tracker can consider claiming (if he feels it will help with defining the mayor lynch), because the remaining scum will have no way of counter claiming (since we'd have time to kill them both). Bleulightz, I'm confused. Majority is players/2+1 now, meaning players/2+2 because of the poison? I don't want to talk now, here is a summary of stuff people already said, I don't understand this irrelevant topic. He fits well into the scared newb scum role who is without direction. Its obvious that there are suspicions on him and it doesn't look like he wants to clear his name, under the false guise of "it will help mafia w/ night kills". I don't buy it. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
P.p.s. I believe risk.nuke's thing is "always townie never not townie", i.e. he has never rolled scum before. He would also fit the role of new scum who is unsure of how to act now that Toad is dead. | ||
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