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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
June 04 2012 22:27 GMT
#601
Woot! Gogogo Rad!
Bora Pain minha porra!
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 04 2012 22:28 GMT
#602
On June 05 2012 07:24 prplhz wrote:
Really nice analysis, so good I didn't even really understand it



Cheer up! I'll let you take the lead on risk.nuke!

Dead scum! Rejoice!
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#603
I'm making a bet, you won't lynch me tomorrow.

'Cause hangin' on the edge baby, that's where I feel comfortable'
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 04 2012 22:52 GMT
#604
'cause you're going to claim medic?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 04 2012 22:56 GMT
#605
Maybe if you're innocent child.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 04 2012 22:56 GMT
#606
On June 05 2012 07:27 Sbrubbles wrote:
Woot! Gogogo Rad!

Could we have your current thoughts on prplhz?
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
June 04 2012 23:04 GMT
#607
On June 05 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:27 Sbrubbles wrote:
Woot! Gogogo Rad!

Could we have your current thoughts on prplhz?


You could, but I'd rather wait until the end of the night.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 04 2012 23:05 GMT
#608
or do you mean, the start of day 3?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 04 2012 23:05 GMT
#609
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
June 04 2012 23:07 GMT
#610
On June 05 2012 08:05 Radfield wrote:
or do you mean, the start of day 3?


[image loading]
Bora Pain minha porra!
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 05 2012 01:04 GMT
#611
On June 05 2012 06:57 slOosh wrote:
I don't think there has been a single player who hasn't expressed their desire to lynch risk.nuke. In fact the main resistance from yesterday's Toad lynch was the alternate risk.nuke lynch. Zephirdd why do you think that getting a majority will be difficult? Could you explain your line of thinking?


Idk, I remember someone saying that we wouldnt even have to use it at all. So I just went with the mayor. I guess we can kill risk.nuke with 5 votes nproblem.

will switch
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 05 2012 01:06 GMT
#612
On June 05 2012 07:28 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:24 prplhz wrote:
Really nice analysis, so good I didn't even really understand it



Cheer up! I'll let you take the lead on risk.nuke!

Dead scum! Rejoice!


Fak u, I led risk's lynch waaaay before it was cool. You wont give mah lynch to the purple boy D:
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 05 2012 02:35 GMT
#613
Someone still needs to show a definitive case on risk. We are not going to LOL our way from this position by pushing whatever lynches happen to look decent. We need to filter Toad, and I still have yet to refilter risk.

What happens when risk flips town, or maybe even pops the innocent child(certainly another explanation for his play). We don't want to be caught with our pants down when that happens. Yes risk is probably scum, and yes we will probably be fine, but we're not going to throw away this position by relaxing.

So lets all go and reread the thread knowing Toad was scum, or at least reread his filter and glean what we can.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 05 2012 03:52 GMT
#614
Toad:

On June 02 2012 08:09 Toadesstern wrote:
A zephird lynch still looks awful for me. Hiros voting him, risk is voting him, navillus is voting him. There's bound to be a mafia within those 3 and Kurumi and talis are nulls for me.


On June 02 2012 08:56 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok people I'm willing to lynch in general right now: Hiro, Prplhz, Navillus


In this first post Toad says that there is definitely a scum in between myself, Risk, and Navillus. However, a little while later after Radfield posts his case on Navillus (and a couple of other small posts by people), Toad decides that Hiro, Prplhz, and Navillus are his lynch candidates (has dropped risk.nuke from his list).


On June 02 2012 09:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 09:34 slOosh wrote:
Nah - let's get some thoughts on Sbrubbles. Both Navillus and risk.nuke have shown apathy and disinterest in the game and both are worth a lurker lynch. I want thoughts on Sbrubbles.

I don't think a sbrubbles lynch is going to happen and I don't think it's helpful to cluster up the thread 2 hours short of the deadline when we need people to vote someone else...


After the "hiroprotagonist-HiroPro" business, Toad tries to end discussion on Sbrubbles.

On June 02 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
got ninja'ed
About sbrubbles: I'll tell you once d2 has started for obvious reasons, sry.


Toad says here that he's going to give his opinion on Sbrubbles (he never does this). Incidentally, it kind of makes sense now why Radfield/Kurumi felt so strongly about the "d2" thing. Didn't seem important to me as a quote, but it looks completely different in context (and knowing that he's mafia lol).


On June 03 2012 10:59 Toadesstern wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

We lynch Prplhz today


Here's why:
On May 30 2012 23:16 prplhz wrote:
[...]

It's very important for town that we know what role we give them today to eliminate any sort of confusion. If we don't know what role we give them, then they can just argue as if they had any role, and town will just argue along with them. While it's very hard, I think it's very very important that we get a majority+3 on their role so we are absolutely sure what they got. This is even more important than what they end up getting.

Tracker/Medic/Roleblocker combination sounds pretty good to me. What do you mean "without fear of the tracker caliming"?



@Radfield What do you mean "scum are going to lie about their votes anyway"?


I consider that mafia agenda. "It is very important for town that we know what role we give to eliminate confusion"? Yeah we eliminate mafia confusion by telling them what they'll get so they can counter pick,


On June 01 2012 04:15 prplhz wrote:
[...]

What do you think about wherebugsgo, Navilus and risk.nuke?
On June 01 2012 21:07 prplhz wrote:
I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.

[...]

I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.
On June 02 2012 03:04 prplhz wrote:
I'm okay with lynching Sbrubbles.

[...]

On June 02 2012 08:01 prplhz wrote:
I'm up for Toadesstern since Sbrubbles isn't happening.


That's a lot of people he's willing to lynch without saying a thing about them except for wbg. The "case" on wbg was "WBG hasn't posted, therefore he has to be mafia because he doesn't care about the game" while at least half the players in this game had very few posts at that time. The rest is a bunch of mentions without actually saying why and I already said what I think about stuff like that:
Looks like people testing watertemperature with their toes to check out what can get momentum without doing something themselves.
Furthermore Navilus apparently was on his radar for not posting a lot, just like risk yet later on he says Nav not posting is a sign for townieness? Will come to that next but that's really odd.

On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
@wherebugsgo I don't think that Navilus is scum. First, the guy has never played scum before. Second, his only contributions on day1 so far has been a post saying what he voted, and him calling you out. It doesn't look like he's just trying to avoid mod kill and it very much doesn't look like he's scum trying to hide with only 2 paltry posts during the whole day. I don't think first time scum will not do anything during the day than pick on a town wherebugsgo (but then again, are you town?) Moreover, in the last game I played with him he was also unavailable for a part of the game. You say that he didn't comment on the lynch, one thing that all scum knows to do at all times is have some sort of opinion on the lynch. I'd very much like to keep him around for now.

How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie?

Navilus defense #1
The reasoning here basicly is: "He never played mafia before. I think he would know better than to hide like that with only 2 posts."
I'd consider that a contradiction. Everyone knows people who play mafia for the first time and what's the most frequent mistake those people make? They're not posting because they're scared and trying to hide to hard. At least that's how I have seen most people play their first time game as mafia. This defense makes no sense from a townie point of view no matter who nav was talking about in his two posts.

On June 02 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
Read his town games, read his day0 play this game, first time scum mostly try not to stick out and he absolutely knows how to do this better than this. He is sticking out very much with his two measly posts and I very much doubt any scum would think that this would ever be enough not to get lynched. I expect him to get back and tell us why he's been playing so horribly on day1 but I don't think that he's scum right now.

I'm not saying he's new, I'm saying he's first time scum.

Navilus defense #2
Again. He says that first time scums mosty try not to stick out, as in they usually want to hide, yet he says "he absolutely knows how to do this better than this". How in the world do you know he can do better than this if he never played mafia before? How do you know he's not scared to post like most mafias are in their first game?
Again, this defense makes so sense from a town point of view.

On June 02 2012 05:44 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
[...]
I disagree with a Sbrubbles lynch for now because I think the way he has discussed things is not scummy.
His tone seems more like a townie talking about setup mechanics than a scum.
[...]


Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
[...]
How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie?


Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 05:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
As for your question on Sbrubbles I don't even know what that means


I'm really just asking if you can clarify what you said.

Remember his posts from earlier? Sure wbg is not backing up a thing but he's giving his basic thoughts. Now look back a bit and check out the posts prplhz did when he wanted to hear oppinions / accused people. He said nothing, he simply mentioned the names except for the WBG "case".
That's as hypocritical as it can get.

On June 02 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote:
Blues always say stuff like "It's really not a good idea to lynch me." and "Trust me on this one." and "Town shouldn't lynch me."

I don't know how I manage to miss it all the time.

I'm most likely joining a Navilus lynch because I want a lynch Before, he was just being afk and his day0 actions didn't look too different from everybody else. I played with him before when he was town and afk, and when he came back he was really sorry about it (and wrote a huge post explaining exactly why he was afk). He doesn't look remorseful at all here, that post looks like he wants any sort of heat off of him and hopes that I'll just keep defending him 'cause that's what I did before.

Well I'm not gonna. I'm not all convinced about this but it's the best we can realistically achieve today I think.

##Unvote Sbrubbles
##Vote Navilus


Probably the weakest explanation for a vote I've ever seen. "sup guys. THAT GUY IS TOWN SHUT UP.... Oh, I guess he hasn't said he's sorry for being afk so long. Probably means he's mafia"




Fancy conclusion:

  • Prplhz defending Nav was REALLY odd and I can't imagine someone making arguments like that from a town perspective. Yeah I know I used to use arguments like that as well. L comes to mind where I said something along the lines of "Palmar looks way to scummy to be scum, something's wrong here" but that's because the guy is called Palmar and not Nav. We're talking about some guy who never played mafia before and Prplhz defends him on the basis of "the guy would play better as mafia because he hasn't ever played mafia before"...
  • Prplhz is testing grounds before saying something all the time. He keeps asking people "what do you think about X, Y or Z?" and never says something himself and something like 30 hours later he picks one guy he feels comfortable to push and votes him with 3 lines of explanation.
  • The voteswitch is horrible. The reasoning, as already mentioning is the weakest I've ever seen and I'd say he did that because that way he can say "sup guys, I voted him to secure a lynch but didn't want to. Btw TOLD YA HE'S TOWN" for towncred.


Lynch Prplhz please, thanks.


Toad's giant big case on prplhz.

On June 05 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote:
a null and I can't really judge him because he hasn't posted yet...

The fact that he doesn't want to lynch me is nice though :3


Toad's opinion on risk.nuke


My conclusions from Toad's filter:

Sbrubbles is definitely worth looking at closely (he was one of the people trying to push a mislynch on me, has been extremely inactive and avoided most of the Toad-related stuff (came in late to say that risk.nuke is best lynch), and Toad avoided giving his opinion on Sbrubbles multiple times). Toad was similarly evasive on risk.nuke despite listing him very early on as possible mafia.


risk.nuke:

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 01 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote:
I am pleased with radfield and I no longer want to make radpie.
On the other hand I believe we could vastly benefit from shortening hiro by a head, turning sloosh into slush and murdering zepphird.


On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons.
1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town.
2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi).


On June 04 2012 00:29 risk.nuke wrote:
@Hiro: Will I need to repeat every little thing so that your tiny brain can puzzle it together. I posted additional reasons for why zephirdd is a good lynch. It was not a new case because zephirdd already had a case on him.



On June 05 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote:
Lets just assume we don't have a medic instead of using that as an excuse to justify scum-kills. If any of you were scum, would you give town a medic? That's like sabotaging for yourself so can we please assume the scum did not sabotage for themself and did not give us a medic.

Radfield, since you've ignored my post. Why do you think they killed wbg?

I'm against lynching toad today. I don't have a good read on him and I think he will become easier to figure out later.


On June 05 2012 05:06 risk.nuke wrote:
As for lynches I'd like to lynch kurumi. If I can't get support for that I'm torn between lynching sloosh and sbrubbles.



I'm not going to go through posts from risk.nuke's filter individually because it's so short and everyone can just read the entire thing in like 2 minutes. I've spoilered the relevant posts, though.

risk.nuke has a habit throughout this game of suggesting lynch targets without ever giving any reasoning or thoughts on their posting behavior (hiro, sloosh, kurumi, sbrubbles). His biggest push is on zephirdd, but the reasons he gives are unrelated to actual behavior or posting. When I said this to him, he responded angrily and said that there was already a case on him, so no actual need to do such a thing. The thing is risk never lists which of the many cases/reads (myself, talismania, Radfield i think?) it is that he agrees with or which points specifically that he likes. This is not a townie response at all. Risk then soft-defends Toad by saying that he doesn't have a good read (despite Toad having a giant filter, multiple cases that he pushed, and numerous interactions with various people). And of course, risk has spent a large amount of time debating what WBG's death means. The thing about risk.nuke's filter that is so damning is that he never posts anything that I see as contributing to town. He darts in, gives a few unsubstantiated opinions, and then exits without having said anything of value. Unless he claims innocent child tomorrow, I want him lynched.



talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 05 2012 04:14 GMT
#615
One interesting thing I realized reading through the thread again is that toad never responded to this post from the beginning of N1:

On June 03 2012 06:03 talismania wrote:
toad

Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 08:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok we need to get people in here. It's 1 am for me and I don't know how long I'll be awake.

A zephird lynch still looks awful for me. Hiros voting him, risk is voting him, navillus is voting him. There's bound to be a mafia within those 3 and Kurumi and talis are nulls for me. That's really not as convincing as people make it look and we have 3 hours left...


Do you think risk is scum? You later backed off hiro when you found out he wasn't the hiro you thought he was, and navilus of course flipped town. What do you make of zephirdd's claim?


Which suggests to me that he did not feel like talking about risk.nuke (or zephirdd - or both) if he didn't have to. He replied vociferously to everyone else that asked him a question, and even posts that just mentioned him so I doubt he just missed it.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2012 05:07 GMT
#616
It is a happy hour !
Risk would be an awesome vigilante target. Oh wait !
Well sorry for yesterday wasn't feeling too well , going to do some work today after short school.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 05 2012 05:12 GMT
#617
On June 05 2012 14:07 Kurumi wrote:
It is a happy hour !
Risk would be an awesome vigilante target. Oh wait !
Well sorry for yesterday wasn't feeling too well , going to do some work today after short school.


Are you really a vig, lol. Like really. Because then there's no point in voting "majority+1" and we should just do the mayoral election.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2012 05:43 GMT
#618
On June 05 2012 14:12 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:07 Kurumi wrote:
It is a happy hour !
Risk would be an awesome vigilante target. Oh wait !
Well sorry for yesterday wasn't feeling too well , going to do some work today after short school.


Are you really a vig, lol. Like really. Because then there's no point in voting "majority+1" and we should just do the mayoral election.

Well sadly I am not a vig. Just giving hints and throwing stones at people.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 05 2012 11:26 GMT
#619
There's no Vig. Vig is like innocent Child(can confirm itself as town) yet with bullets. No way mafia give town that role.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 05 2012 18:09 GMT
#620
Guh - I'm trying to built a compilation risk.nuke case but I don't know where to start...
Hiro covered the basics so I'll try to hit the other points I see.

On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons.
1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town.
2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi).

Lynching for information. Direct contradiction in bold - he says if we don't lynch him we are hurting ourselves if he is town, and therefore the correct thing to do is lynch him (to determine alignment) in case he is town? I can't even ... bah!
Secondly is chasing red-herrings in the night kill. In his filter it shows him (jestingly or not)
On June 02 2012 07:24 risk.nuke wrote:
And hey, wbg thinks I'm scum so you should consider me confirmed townie.

So either he is wasting what time he has to post jokes, or he is contradicting himself by making light of WBG's scumhunting abilities yet considering them a strong point after the night kill.

Another point I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but it's behavioral analysis (opposed to logical which I'm used to). He says prefaces the suggestion with "I think". Yet later on when he straight up cuts people down it shows that he is very confident in his ideas and what town should be doing, which is more inline with town risk.nuke's aggressive confident tone.
On June 04 2012 00:29 risk.nuke wrote:
He died brainiac, and it wasn't the flu.

...

@Hiro: Will I need to repeat every little thing so that your tiny brain can puzzle it together.

Very confident, very assertive. Such a quick switch in demeanor shows inconsistency, as if he was testing the waters with his initial post (where he holds a 'it was just a suggestion excuse' in his back pocket), and finding something safe to talk about starts cutting down people.


His thoughts on the Toad lynch?
On June 05 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm against lynching toad today. I don't have a good read on him and I think he will become easier to figure out later.

That's it. This is one of the most dominating discussion points D2. This is the only thing he says about Toad. He doesn't even provide nor push for his own "reads"
On June 05 2012 05:06 risk.nuke wrote:
As for lynches I'd like to lynch kurumi. If I can't get support for that I'm torn between lynching sloosh and sbrubbles.

Why would he expect support when he never made a case? Why would he expect it when he never pushes these reads? Why is he bringing this up when the whole town is discussing Toad, and especially when its so near deadline?


Conclusion: We see nothing in risk.nuke's filter which shows him valuing town interests. He keeps introducing red herrings which directly hurt town focus and thread atmosphere. This is beyond Zephirdd and Kurumi's blueclaims to draw shots - this is scum agenda.
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