On June 10 2012 00:32 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 20:35 Toadesstern wrote:On June 09 2012 16:48 Bluelightz wrote:Oh well wtf. Also, if any mafia wants to rage at me its because i rngd lol >.< Anyway this is my analysis after reading filters (yay thats right free tips!) note that I will point shit out depending on my instincts. 1.Sbrubbles + Show Spoiler +First of all, like I said in my PM, read my first scum game XD. You performed well as scum for the first time good job! But you made some mistakes. First, DO NOT. ABSOLUTELY DO NOT. Use a simple reason (or kinda very weak reason) to vote, it makes you look suspicious, or when he gets mislynched you get the blame because you just simply *secured* the lynch, you didn't have a proper reason or base in which you vote so you get the blame for. (note: about your navillus vote this is) It is also suspicious because you, never mentioned Nav AT ALL before you voted, any guy would think that "Woah, why did he vote him?", take this also as a tip to your town play, if you have suspicions at someone, stay there and convince others of the suspicion of the guy you are suspicious of, as an example take my pressure and attempt to lynch Ace in Wheel Of Fortune, I stood by my scum reads. Also, looking at your filter, NEED MOAR ACTIVITY BRO! unless you have a valid reason such as in WoF, just take the time and be more active, buys you more town cre d of participating in the discussion  After that, most of your page 2 post's are one liner's and some pictures, stop it (unless it is warranted though ^^), your just spamming useless post's that don't help town discussion, this is scummy, Also because you questioned my sanityOverall, you played well for your first time and I hope by incorporating the tips I suggested you may become more bwas 2. Kurumi + Show Spoiler +
Wanna fuck me?
Anyways, first, KEEL TROLLING and one liners (unless warranted :D), your just spamming useless shit into the thread.
Try and be more constructive, try and be more helpful to the discussion, not being super hostile and not helping,for example your play during the selection phase, melikes that.
Also, as a suggestion, you might want to look other people's filter's with more depth, in hindsight I don't think you didn't even try to convince yourself that X is town, you just stuck with that X is scum, while it is good, when sometimes its blatantly obvious that he is town (like Radfield) just rethink him again.
3. Zephirdd + Show Spoiler +
Good play zeph, good play.
Nice constructive shit, you defended accusations well, you were probably a bluesnipe (that failed), all I can say is keep it up, and if you play as scum like this, uhh......
4.HiroPro + Show Spoiler +
First, are you hiro protagonist o.o? Very good post's, you defended well, you shoule keep it up!~
Second, when you hopped on the risk.nuke wagon, I'd say he was town (well I know he was town at the time but if you've ever played with him you'd think again), he is playing to his *town* meta, when there is everyone except the lynchee voting the same person you probablt should rethink the lynchee, is he defending? risk.nuke tried to defend but you all drowned him in "lol your so scum", just improve this part: READ SOMEONES META AKFJSGHASGJTH, meta is sometimes a good way to see if he's town or maybe scum, like I used this to correctly identify MrZentor as town in Wheel Of Fortune Mafia
5.Navilllus + Show Spoiler +
Honestly, not much to comment except to defend yourself more,.share your thoughts on mostly everyone before you die, and respond directly into the accusations, show you care, show you want to win, show your effort.
6.prplhz + Show Spoiler +Hi, what happened to sinani stealing your something or w/e xD. As a blue, your track choices were for the good of town, but next time if you have suspicions on someone (like how you tracked kurumi I think) just go for it . Your play, good. Your votes, good imo, your Nav vote when you switched, good thing on pointing why he's scummy to you :D, Just continue playing liek this, your good! 7.talismania + Show Spoiler +I guess I can say that you played well, you were the last alive if you didn't concede >.> Your post's were fairly good, except for stuff like this, this is what I push Mattchew for, baseless shit slinged into the thread. Your other post's we're good, just keep on playing like this and incorporate the suggestions I mentioned, also try and defend your scumbuddy if you think he was town, this may get some town cred depending on how you do it but he flips scumy anyway >.< 8.Toadesttern + Show Spoiler +Good activity, just didn't defend yourself hard enough, at that time, I think to defend, you shouldve pointed suspicion on one of your mafia buddies, buys them more town cred. Just, don't get caught by Radfield again  9.wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler +
wtf with your play o_o, not expected by meh :/, though I guess your play had merrits as you made scum feel dangerous bout' you and bough Radfield more time (which ultimately helped lynch Toad).
Just, don't spam too much, and continue playing like this.
10.Radfield + Show Spoiler +
Hi God of Town!
Good job with EVERYTHING! AUIGVASDHGSFGS.
Not much to say then just keep it up.
11.risk.nuke + Show Spoiler +
I guess I could say that your better then yourself in Purgatory?
First, More activity, lurking probably played a major part in making people suspicios on you.
Next, defend yourself more harder and faster, I think your defense post's we're nice, just more, and faster, at that time it was too late.
Lastly, if you we're shot down by others saying that "lol your so scum i won't even bother thinking your town", point that out as scummy, why is this scummy? They never. ever. EVER. try to convince themselves to read or explore how you could be town, they didn't make effort, basically just didn't care about if you we're lynched or not.
12.slOosh + Show Spoiler +
Good job not getting hit by mafia, you used your power at the right time and convinced everyone that you were town, also bringin down the law on Brubbles!
Keep on playing like this.
Thanks for playing people, sorry if your comments are too short or something. I did that man. Just look at how risk got lynched. That was on purpose :3 About our game: I think we all did somewhat good but we really lacked teamplay. Everyone did what he thought was best without asking the rest first and we really needed irc  When Rad did his case talis bussed me instantly saying the game is over althouth I had 3 townies saying they're not willing to vote me (when majority is 5 having 3 townies + 3 mafias on your side is quite a thing). With Talis help I could have survived easily imo. OR we should have bussed me all together making both talis and sbrubbles look good but that way with everyone doing something different we just ended up in a horrible position. Sad thing sbrubbles apparently had some problems of his own and had to quit which left talis alone vs the rest With proper teamplay this game could have gone either way but I was to lazy to set up an irc channel :p The problem toad is that if I didn't bus you, what would have happened D3? We would have all been at mylo, sure, but who do we get mislynched? Prp? Zephirdd? It would have been an uphill struggle. Then again it might have been a better chance that what ended up happening.
If I had survived that day we basicly would have won the game. It was 3 or 4 townies dead 3 mafias alive and 3 lylos in a row for town
A perfect situation to bus me d3 and maybe even one of you bus the other d4 to secure the win d5.
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kitaman27
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In regards to the setup, I'm glad the role selection wasn't a clear cut decision. I do tend to agree that the roleblocker would have been the best selection to give the scum team, as it ensures the validity of any cop or tracker checks. As for the town roles, I think the tracker, medic, and innocent child were the weakest of the roles to choose from. I would be hesitant to select a cop or vig, as they are similar to the innocent child confirmation mechanic, with an additional upside of a check or multiple shots. However, the one benefit for selecting these roles is that they may be counter-claimed, unlike the innocent child. If the game was slightly larger, I'd like to play around with a setup that contained a pool of roles and worked similar to this:
Mafia team selects town role
Town selects mafia role
Mafia bans a role
Town bans a role
Mafia selects their own role
Town selects their own role
Obviously this would be a bit tougher to balance though, so it would probably need a few tweaks. Feel free to share any thoughts on how the setup could be improved or alternate roles to consider.
The actual poisons were rather lackluster. While balancing, we felt the setup was pretty fair prior to the introduction of the daily poison mechanics, so we didn't want to make them to be too punishing to the town. However, many of the poisons turned out to be pretty useless, as there was obviously an optimal time to select each poison. In a future version of the setup, I think I would start with two poisons to choose from. Each day, a new poison would be introduced to choose from, while the unselected poison from the previous day carries over. I think this would force town to possibly select a more dangerous poison early, to avoid a late game scenario where they may only choose from two deadly poisons. Alternatively, we could have limited the poison pool to six options, forcing the more dangerious poisons to eventually be selected.
As for the actual game, it appeared that the lack of communication and coordination was the biggest flaw from the scum team. A irc channel is incredibly valueable just to ensure everyone is on the same page. I think the vote encryption plan was an example of a plan whose benefit was not worth the cost. The town cred may have helped out, but the risk of the plan backfiring, as we saw, was pretty high. One of the biggest balance concerns was that the town would be able to generate a list check from the scum role voitng, which is why we decided to provide the scum team with the voting outcome. I think there should have been a much stronger push for a certain scum role, to ensure the voting results didn't get them in trouble. With the five most experienced players (at least in regards to games played on tl) rolling town, I think the mafia team could have taken better advantage of the paranoia between vets. Something that seemed to hurt the mafia team was their response to the Toad case. Rather than coming out strong against him or defending him, they waited to see how the town responded and came out looking badly. Shooting bugs helped relieve a lot of the distrust beween these players. In this setup, it was extremely important to be able to snipe a blue early to prevent a 3v2 scenario where two of the blues are town. This is even more important when the innocent child has been selected. I think this game may have gone pretty different if sloosh was shot night one as planned, rather than bugs. I would have liked to see the scum team try to play it out in the end, at least attempting a fake claim. Opting to not use the framer ability on night two or night three seems sub-optimal.
My biggest complaint for town would be the shut-down of discussion on day three. If the mafia had sucessfully sniped the tracker or innocent child that night, then town would have been in a fairly tough spot. Even if risk was unable to sucessfully convince everyone of his innocence, I think he should have pushed earlier for discussion on alternate candidates or candidates for the following lynch. I was pretty worried about Zephirdd being mislynched after the blue hint. If town had pushed harder for a role claim from him, he may have been in a tough situation when forced to claim vanilla town. Radfield did a good job recovering after day one and SlOosh and prplhz did a good job surviving until late game. The timing of the innocent child claim was optimal.
Thanks again for playing!
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). I really can't explain what happened. Still, it didn't matter too much because I already had messed up by then.
