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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 09 2012 11:42 HiroPro wrote: Zephirdd is obviously not scum now lol. But I'm not sure about Kurumi being scum tbh. I was expecting a prplhz kill today, and it kind of looks to me like Zephirdd being killed just sets up a Kurumi lynch. I need to go over talismania's filter again and look at his previous games. I do remember noticing that he didn't make any real cases or reads - he spent most of his time doing connection stuff. I was also intrigued by the Zephirdd kill. First thing I noticed was how talismania gets off the hook by not having to push Zephirdd. Second is perhaps them fearing a blue claim since process of elimination is so strong right now (e.g. imagine if zephirdd was IC. Then who are scum gonna push?), or maybe they were planning to lynch me or something before I revealed IC. Good food for thought but best not dwell on it too long. On June 09 2012 11:43 HiroPro wrote: Oh and I think our last blue should claim. What do you say, slOosh? Mmm. I've been thinking this one out. Right now we are in 4-2 situation. I'm lynching Sbrubbles so it's gonna be 4-1. It's 4-1 with one confirmed town, and one mafia remaining. Since it's only 1 mafia left, they have to carry out the kill, and therefore tracker is good as golden (barring possible framer). Tomorrow we use secret ballot since there will be one scum remaining, and therefore it will be harmless. I'm thinking we can wait on the claim as we are lynching Sbrubbles today and therefore have ~72 hours of discussion, 24 in which we will know if Sbrubbles was a power role (or town in which case game ends right there). Tracker should consider heavily if claiming will benefit town right now (keeping in mind voting records), because keeping him hidden is really strong against mafia. Maybe if you tracked someone who isn't Sbrubbles visiting someone. E.g. if you tracked me visiting it means scum have framer = either Hiro is scum or Kurumi is town. In any case I'm leaning talismania as final scum somewhat. Best thing we can do right now is be totally open with our reads - we can really establish ideal town atmosphere and drive discussion. Talis if you are town you should come in fast with your updated reads. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 08 2012 20:20 Kurumi wrote: Translated from encryption Zephirdd is vigilante. Sloosh is tracker. Prplhz played quite good town game. Hiro too. Sbrubbles and talismania are scum. Talismania is much more likely to hold the role though. Yeah I know I basically stopped playing after N1... Sorry about this guys. I've read the thread but couldn't get any thoughts grouped together. Talismania is a really good player, in Space Station I got him as Town really fast D1, I was so sure in my read (which was correct, obviously) I gave him my vet power. This game... He never pushes a lynch himself. He is in the backstage of this game. If you are still thinking this balance vet thing, there you go. Talismania+Toad = 2 good players for scum and Sbrubbles as an add. Rad and WBG for Town. I am not good, just lucky sometimes and I have plenty of pebbles to throw around. Scum were setting up my lynch from the very beginning and wbg was only helping them for some reason. Probably bored too. Sloosh talks a little too much about Tracker and he slips about his existence in his last post. Tomorrow it's 3v2, your last chance. Win Town. Kurumi you can become hero of town if you are town. It's 4v2 right now and I really don't follow your logic on why Zephirdd would be vig who didn't shoot risk n1 (since he was first to push him). In any case Radfield had you slightly town at a later time than when he said he thought talis was town. So please talk more about talis and we can compare notes to see if you are just bluffing scum or tired town who still has been putting effort into the game. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
First, Kurumi's vote on day 2 does not make sense from a mafia perspective. He votes for Toad very early at a time when a risk.nuke lynch was still possible. And it doesn't look like a bus. Second, talismania votes in a very strange manner - he votes for Toad right after prplhz says that he is going to hammer on Toad, but before prplhz can cast his vote. To me this looks like talismania is trying to claim credit for the Toad lynch although in reality he was saying in the thread that a risk.nuke lynch was fine also. Third, talismania has not really been giving proper reads/cases (except on Zephirdd) - instead he has mostly been trying to find connections between people. Fourth, the fact that no one has been roleblocked yet makes me think there is a framer (I just find it hard to believe that mafia would completely hold their block, even with IC being one of the roles, and then talismania has to be lying and mafia). I am not 100% sure, but I think Sbrubbles+talismania is the mafia team. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
I dunno if this is against the TL rules (this is only my third game here) but I don't see the point in playing this out. What you say? You guessed it - scum resigns! GG town. Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/2qFy6VgjSnW Why are we resigning at sort-of mylo? (1) Sbrubbles is scum. He is also the framer. He is getting lynched today and I can't get him out of it. That immediately points the finger at me or prp, and there's no way I can win that debate. (2) Sbrubbles also already resigned. You may have noticed he hasn't posted much recently. During the night, be PM'd me and apologized for his play. Apparently being scum for the first time was really stressful for him and he had a lot of anxiety because of it. He's taking a hiatus from the game to sort that out. Hope you feel better bud! (3) My last chance is gone. I had hoped to do the following: -Fakeclaim tracker before the innocent child came out. -Force the real tracker to counterclaim -Pray to god that the real tracker was kurumi, because he's the only one I had the chance of beating 1 on 1 -Get the mislynch and win the voting race the next day However, sloosh screwed that up by coming out so quickly and putting the kibosh on the real tracker coming out. At that point it made no sense for me to come to the thread. As you can see if you read the scum qt, I toyed with many variants of this idea but could find few that would work, and none exist in this reality! (4) I'm going to MLG this weekend >_> ____________________________ My thoughts on the mistakes in the game: Scum missteps: (1) The hiropro push. It just didn't feel right to me. It was too opportunistic. (2) Sbrubbles being new. It happens, but he didn't know how to gain towncred. (3) Real or not, the "scumslip" Town missteps: (1) Risk.nuke. lol. ________________ General strategy thoughts: There's three ways to win this game as scum. With all three players alive (end of D3), with two players alive (end D4), or with one player alive (end D5). Our problem as a scumteam in general was not realizing this soon and enough and planning accordingly. While I had an inkling that this setup could not be won without bussing in some regard, I didn't fully realize the importance of that tactic until the game began to progress. By that point, we had already settled into a de facto "win with three" condition. It would be much stronger to try for a win with two and have two of the scum bus the third hard, leading the charge, and do so early (maybe D1 - certainly by D2). Town cred is everything in a setup this small, and the kind of incremental town cred I had this game could not make up for the immense town cred players like prp, hiro, and radfield achieved. Our rolepicks were fine. Tracker and innocent child aren't particularly great for town, particulary since we defaulted into a 3 player wincon. I think vigilante + tracker would be a great combo as well for scum trying to go for a 2 player wincon. If only I had thought that through beforehand :-( _________________ Thoughts on kills and lynches: D1 - Navilus. This was a bad lynch for us for one reason only: he was a roleblocker voter. He would have been very useful to me if he were still in the game now, for instance, because I'm positive I can easily make myself look townier than he could. We should have lynched zephirdd, but curious circumstances intervened. Even if I were town this game I would have wanted to lynch zephirdd (though sbrubbles would have been a close second). N1 - WBG. Killed for no other reason other than that toad thought he was the most dangerous of the framer voters. I initially wanted to kill sloosh (if only...) because I thought he was playing the strongest at the time, but backed off because of concerns that might implicate sbrubbles too much (and sbrubbles was already under some scrutiny). D2- Toad. Radfield nailed his ass to the wall. I saw this coming a mile away and immediately began putting in as much distance as I could. Sidenote: I really don't think the timing of my vote was that bad. I would have done the same as town. I waited like five minutes for prp to actually place the hammer and he didn't. N2 - Radfield. An obvious choice. I considered letting him live with dreams of an epic endgame in my mind but then reality slapped me in the face. D3 - risk.nuke. Not much to say about this one haha. You all sheeped radfield hard, but not for terrible reason. If I were town this game I would not have gone along with this so willingly, as risk.nuke's behavior made no sense if he was partnered with toad. N3 - I killed zephirdd because I knew I was going to call zephirdd out in my night post, and I was planning on the whole fake tracker thing anyway. I wanted another thing to say when the debate was going on "Why would I kill zephirdd when I was pushing him?" especially if it was me vs kurumi, of whom zephirdd had stated suspicions. -------------------------- Player comments: Toad - I'm sorry it ended like it did for you. The hiropro thing was a mistake, and the scumslip even though you actually meant it how you explained it was just plain unfortunate. You played pretty ok I thought until Radfield did his thing. Sbrubbles - it was your first scum game! I hope you recover from the anxiety of being suspected and all that. Feel better. It is just a game on the internet. me - I played pretty well for a while until the walls started closing in. I'm proud of the fact that no one publicly suspected me at all until it became clear at the end. Fooling Radfield gained me a lot of breathing room, for instance. That said, most of this pride is probably misplaced in that no one here has played with me that much and knows that I'm actually good. For future refernce: when I'm scum, I appear pro-town. When I'm town, I appear REALLY pro-town. I can't remember the last time I got mislynched. radfield - town mvp, obviously. You were all over the place and flat-out wrong on me and sbrubbles. But you got toad right, and with toad gone, the whole game was blown wide open. sloosh - you were the townie boyscout, as I called you. I only wish I had stuck to my gut and pushed to kill you N1. Toad didn't view you as that dangerous but it was clear to me you were putting in a lot of positive effort. hiropro - I don't know who the real tracker is but I guess it's you? You were playing hard as well, with a lot of good engagement. Well done. prplhz - you played strangely but, in the end, effectively. Having toad push for your lynch was the best thing that happened to you. zephirdd - you did things so blatantly scummy a scum player would never do them. I tried getting you lynched for it and it should have worked if Radfield hadn't mistakenly seen your "blueclaim". Sidenote on the blueclaim - if you read the scum QT, I caught it as well and we were all convinced you were blue too. Then radfield had to go and see it and call off the lynch :-( kurumi - Kurumi kurumi. you (or should I write You with a capital y?) were the only one who knew me well enough to know that I could have been playing better. It took you long enough to think of it, but as soon as I saw your "ah fuck" post followed by the encrypted message, I knew I was done in for. Well done. WBG - eh you weren't playing that hard. we should have let you live. navilus - poor guy. I really wish we hadn't lynched you. __________________ Finally, thanks to our wonderful hosts for the game. I loved the flavor, and the quirky debates over what majority actually was. The win condition in this game would have been funky though - for instance, if there was a mislynch today it actually wouldn't be game over. It would be 2-2 going into the next day, and if the two townies got their votes in on a mafia first, then actually town would have a chance (they'd have to do the same thing the next day) because of how the tiebreaker rules are written. Fortunately it won't come to that. I apologize if we didn't give you as interesting a game as you might have hoped! | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Endgame ![[image loading]](http://0.tqn.com/d/scifi/1/0/L/k/0/-/GOT-Season2-Grand-Master-Pycelle1.jpg) Essence of Nightshade . A single drop added to a cup of wine will calm frayed nerves, and three drops will put a person into a deep, dreamless sleep. Ten drops, will put a man into a sleep from which he will never wake. Sbrubbles and talismania knew the end was inevitable. While the town may have discovered their identities, one thing was certain; they would not be taken alive. Mafia concedes! Town victory! Mafia Quicktopic Obs Quicktopic Role List: Toadesstern, mafia goon Sbrubbles, mafia framer talismania, mafia goon Kurumi, vanilla townie Zephirdd, vanilla townie HiroPro, vanilla townie Navillus, vanilla townie wherebugsgo, vanilla townie Radfield, vanilla townie risk.nuke, vanilla townie prplhz, tracker slOosh, innocent child Thanks to bluelightz for his help! Thanks for playing! Post game thoughts will come when I'm not so tired. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
The funny part about this game for me was I didn't really have a good reason for voting GF lol, I just picked it and I thought I'd think about it later but I never got around to it. And then I had to come up with something when everyone started questioning me. To be honest though, that's how I do most things lol. After that, I just saw certain people who I thought were town and then I tried to focus on one mafia read at a time. After d1, I had slOosh as a strong town read and Radfield, prplhz, talismania, Kurumi as slight town reads. I had Zephirdd as a strong mafia read (woops) and Toad, Sbrubbles (I lied about my read on him d1 because I didn't have enough evidence to support my case) as slight mafia reads. Radfield's case on Toad was really ridiculously good and after that I think mafia just lost too much influence. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Also, if any mafia wants to rage at me its because i rngd lol >.< Anyway this is my analysis after reading filters (yay thats right free tips!) note that I will point shit out depending on my instincts. 1.Sbrubbles + Show Spoiler + First of all, like I said in my PM, read my first scum game XD. You performed well as scum for the first time good job! But you made some mistakes. First, DO NOT. ABSOLUTELY DO NOT. Use a simple reason (or kinda very weak reason) to vote, it makes you look suspicious, or when he gets mislynched you get the blame because you just simply *secured* the lynch, you didn't have a proper reason or base in which you vote so you get the blame for. (note: about your navillus vote this is) It is also suspicious because you, never mentioned Nav AT ALL before you voted, any guy would think that "Woah, why did he vote him?", take this also as a tip to your town play, if you have suspicions at someone, stay there and convince others of the suspicion of the guy you are suspicious of, as an example take my pressure and attempt to lynch Ace in Wheel Of Fortune, I stood by my scum reads. Also, looking at your filter, NEED MOAR ACTIVITY BRO! unless you have a valid reason such as in WoF, just take the time and be more active, buys you more town cre d of participating in the discussion  After that, most of your page 2 post's are one liner's and some pictures, stop it (unless it is warranted though ^^), your just spamming useless post's that don't help town discussion, this is scummy, Overall, you played well for your first time and I hope by incorporating the tips I suggested you may become more bwas 2. Kurumi + Show Spoiler + Anyways, first, KEEL TROLLING and one liners (unless warranted :D), your just spamming useless shit into the thread. Try and be more constructive, try and be more helpful to the discussion, not being super hostile and not helping,for example your play during the selection phase, melikes that. Also, as a suggestion, you might want to look other people's filter's with more depth, in hindsight I don't think you didn't even try to convince yourself that X is town, you just stuck with that X is scum, while it is good, when sometimes its blatantly obvious that he is town (like Radfield) just rethink him again. 3. Zephirdd + Show Spoiler + Good play zeph, good play. Nice constructive shit, you defended accusations well, you were probably a bluesnipe (that failed), all I can say is keep it up, and if you play as scum like this, uhh...... 4.HiroPro + Show Spoiler + First, Second, when you hopped on the risk.nuke wagon, I'd say he was town (well I know he was town at the time but if you've ever played with him you'd think again), he is playing to his *town* meta, when there is everyone except the lynchee voting the same person you probablt should rethink the lynchee, is he defending? risk.nuke tried to defend but you all drowned him in "lol your so scum", just improve this part: READ SOMEONES META AKFJSGHASGJTH, meta is sometimes a good way to see if he's town or maybe scum, like I used this to correctly identify MrZentor as town in Wheel Of Fortune Mafia 5.Navilllus + Show Spoiler + Honestly, not much to comment except to defend yourself more,.share your thoughts on mostly everyone before you die, and respond directly into the accusations, show you care, show you want to win, show your effort. 6.prplhz + Show Spoiler + Hi, what happened to sinani stealing your something or w/e xD. As a blue, your track choices were for the good of town, but next time if you have suspicions on someone (like how you tracked kurumi I think) just go for it .Your play, good. Your votes, good imo, your Nav vote when you switched, good thing on pointing why he's scummy to you :D, Just continue playing liek this, your good! 7.talismania + Show Spoiler + I guess I can say that you played well, you were the last alive if you didn't concede >.> Your post's were fairly good, except for stuff like this, this is what I push Mattchew for, baseless shit slinged into the thread. Your other post's we're good, just keep on playing like this and incorporate the suggestions I mentioned, also try and defend your scumbuddy if you think he was town, this may get some town cred depending on how you do it but he flips scumy anyway >.< 8.Toadesttern + Show Spoiler + Good activity, just didn't defend yourself hard enough, at that time, I think to defend, you shouldve pointed suspicion on one of your mafia buddies, buys them more town cred. Just, don't get caught by Radfield again  9.wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler + wtf with your play o_o, not expected by meh :/, though I guess your play had merrits as you made scum feel dangerous bout' you and bough Radfield more time (which ultimately helped lynch Toad). Just, don't spam too much, and continue playing like this. 10.Radfield + Show Spoiler + Hi God of Town! Good job with EVERYTHING! AUIGVASDHGSFGS. Not much to say then just keep it up. 11.risk.nuke + Show Spoiler + I guess I could say that your better then yourself in Purgatory? First, More activity, lurking probably played a major part in making people suspicios on you. Next, defend yourself more harder and faster, I think your defense post's we're nice, just more, and faster, at that time it was too late. Lastly, if you we're shot down by others saying that "lol your so scum i won't even bother thinking your town", point that out as scummy, why is this scummy? They never. ever. EVER. try to convince themselves to read or explore how you could be town, they didn't make effort, basically just didn't care about if you we're lynched or not. 12.slOosh + Show Spoiler + Good job not getting hit by mafia, you used your power at the right time and convinced everyone that you were town, also bringin down the law on Brubbles! Keep on playing like this. Thanks for playing people, sorry if your comments are too short or something. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Zephirdd is vigilante. Sloosh is tracker. Prplhz played quite good town game. Hiro too. Sbrubbles and talismania are scum. Talismania is much more likely to hold the role though. Yeah I know I basically stopped playing after N1... Sorry about this guys. I've read the thread but couldn't get any thoughts grouped together. Talismania is a really good player, in Space Station I got him as Town really fast D1, I was so sure in my read (which was correct, obviously) I gave him my vet power. This game... He never pushes a lynch himself. He is in the backstage of this game. If you are still thinking this balance vet thing, there you go. Talismania+Toad = 2 good players for scum and Sbrubbles as an add. Rad and WBG for Town. I am not good, just lucky sometimes and I have plenty of pebbles to throw around. Scum were setting up my lynch from the very beginning and wbg was only helping them for some reason. Probably bored too. Sloosh talks a little too much about Tracker and he slips about his existence in his last post. Tomorrow it's 3v2, your last chance. Win Town. that was the post. Why I thought Zephirdd is Vigilante? His post had KURUMI in it so it was like an obvious vig breadcrumb. Sloosh was talking a lot too much about tracker, that's why I thought he was Tracker, lol. Still, HiroPro and Prplhz were town in my eyes, Zephirdd and Sloosh too. That left talismania who did not play a town game and sbrubbles who was playing like risk.nuke. Thanks for hosting Kita and Bluelightz! Interesting setup.@talismania That "ah fuck" was me noticing Zephirdd's breadcrumb. But that made me think over things and the conclusion is the encrypted post I wanted to decrypt close to deadline but.. I was sleepy so I gave the password earlier. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
@Sbrubbles Yea hope you get over your anxiety, sorry for yelling at you day1 and hope to play with you again  I don't think you played bad at all and you were absolutely defensible, this was just an uphill struggle for scum.@Kurumi I never understand what you're saying but then you nailed two scum in the end so you obviously played really well (except the whole going hard for Radfield and me but as long as it ended up in you wanting to lynch scum!). I thought you were scummy for some meta reasons at some point but I didn't want to push you 'cause other than that there wasn't much to go for. I think I once saw you write "I can't be meta'd" and I guess you're right I don't think that claiming vigilante and threatening someone is going to work though, if scum had a roleblocker they would have roleblocked you that night and you'd have thought I was scum or something like that. If anything it showed that you weren't blue 'cause you weren't afraid of getting roleblocked.@Zephirdd You played well and managed to establish yourself as townie to everybody and even attracted a night hit and that's really good! @HiroPro You also played well even though I still don't understand how you could think that there was a chance of godfather being picked for scum @Navillus Yea it's not all that great to be lynched day1. A little more effort was all it required, 2 measly posts on day1 isn't a lot. @talismania "When I'm scum I appear town and when I'm town I appear very town" is so accurate! I actually had you down as scummy from your very first line in your very first post ("I had these thoughts pregame" seemed like you were distancing yourself from your own ideas!) but then you seemed townie but then I thought to myself "In Space Station you knew he was town 12 hours into the game, why do you have these nagging suspicions?" Really well played by you. @Toadesstern You played well until Radfield "nailed your ass to the wall" but that could happen to anybody. Which is why you always shoot Radfield night1 as scum. I thought it was so weird that you didn't pick medic and then you didn't shoot Radfield 'cause he would be the very obvious medic target. @wherebugsgo l0l you don't need any sort of feedback from me @Radfield Same But nice analysis on Toadesstern, I know I'll be coming back and reading that again.@risk.nuke Sorry for being on your back about your day2 performance but I know you could have done a lot better. @slOosh Played well, I didn't expect you to be innocent child at all because you weren't all too vocal but you managed to establish yourself as town and no one ever pointed a finger at you while you figured out the scum team. Well done. I think scum's biggest mistake was not to kill Radfield on night1. The only reason you didn't pick medic was so you could shoot Radfield. wherebugsgo wasn't putting a lot of effort into this game and whatever he said could have been manipulated by you. Zephirdd on night3 was alright. I also disagree that the risk.nuke lynch was all bad, it was bad in the sense that he was townie but it was good in the sense that he looked scummy. There's a reason you get all votes in the game except your own. The rest of the lynches were okay too, Navilus obviously being the worst. @Bluelightz I don't understand how I played strange in your eyes, but Kurumi didn't By the way, I tracked Sbrubbles, risk.nuke, Kurumi and I didn't get anything on anyone. Thanks to kitaman27 and Bluelightz for hosting Great fun was had! | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:48 Bluelightz wrote: Oh well wtf. Also, if any mafia wants to rage at me its because i rngd lol >.< Anyway this is my analysis after reading filters (yay thats right free tips!) note that I will point shit out depending on my instincts. 1.Sbrubbles + Show Spoiler + First of all, like I said in my PM, read my first scum game XD. You performed well as scum for the first time good job! But you made some mistakes. First, DO NOT. ABSOLUTELY DO NOT. Use a simple reason (or kinda very weak reason) to vote, it makes you look suspicious, or when he gets mislynched you get the blame because you just simply *secured* the lynch, you didn't have a proper reason or base in which you vote so you get the blame for. (note: about your navillus vote this is) It is also suspicious because you, never mentioned Nav AT ALL before you voted, any guy would think that "Woah, why did he vote him?", take this also as a tip to your town play, if you have suspicions at someone, stay there and convince others of the suspicion of the guy you are suspicious of, as an example take my pressure and attempt to lynch Ace in Wheel Of Fortune, I stood by my scum reads. Also, looking at your filter, NEED MOAR ACTIVITY BRO! unless you have a valid reason such as in WoF, just take the time and be more active, buys you more town cre d of participating in the discussion After that, most of your page 2 post's are one liner's and some pictures, stop it (unless it is warranted though ^^), your just spamming useless post's that don't help town discussion, this is scummy, Overall, you played well for your first time and I hope by incorporating the tips I suggested you may become more bwas 2. Kurumi + Show Spoiler + Anyways, first, KEEL TROLLING and one liners (unless warranted :D), your just spamming useless shit into the thread. Try and be more constructive, try and be more helpful to the discussion, not being super hostile and not helping,for example your play during the selection phase, melikes that. Also, as a suggestion, you might want to look other people's filter's with more depth, in hindsight I don't think you didn't even try to convince yourself that X is town, you just stuck with that X is scum, while it is good, when sometimes its blatantly obvious that he is town (like Radfield) just rethink him again. 3. Zephirdd + Show Spoiler + Good play zeph, good play. Nice constructive shit, you defended accusations well, you were probably a bluesnipe (that failed), all I can say is keep it up, and if you play as scum like this, uhh...... 4.HiroPro + Show Spoiler + First, Second, when you hopped on the risk.nuke wagon, I'd say he was town (well I know he was town at the time but if you've ever played with him you'd think again), he is playing to his *town* meta, when there is everyone except the lynchee voting the same person you probablt should rethink the lynchee, is he defending? risk.nuke tried to defend but you all drowned him in "lol your so scum", just improve this part: READ SOMEONES META AKFJSGHASGJTH, meta is sometimes a good way to see if he's town or maybe scum, like I used this to correctly identify MrZentor as town in Wheel Of Fortune Mafia 5.Navilllus + Show Spoiler + Honestly, not much to comment except to defend yourself more,.share your thoughts on mostly everyone before you die, and respond directly into the accusations, show you care, show you want to win, show your effort. 6.prplhz + Show Spoiler + Hi, what happened to sinani stealing your something or w/e xD. As a blue, your track choices were for the good of town, but next time if you have suspicions on someone (like how you tracked kurumi I think) just go for it .Your play, good. Your votes, good imo, your Nav vote when you switched, good thing on pointing why he's scummy to you :D, Just continue playing liek this, your good! 7.talismania + Show Spoiler + I guess I can say that you played well, you were the last alive if you didn't concede >.> Your post's were fairly good, except for stuff like this, this is what I push Mattchew for, baseless shit slinged into the thread. Your other post's we're good, just keep on playing like this and incorporate the suggestions I mentioned, also try and defend your scumbuddy if you think he was town, this may get some town cred depending on how you do it but he flips scumy anyway >.< 8.Toadesttern + Show Spoiler + Good activity, just didn't defend yourself hard enough, at that time, I think to defend, you shouldve pointed suspicion on one of your mafia buddies, buys them more town cred. Just, don't get caught by Radfield again 9.wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler + wtf with your play o_o, not expected by meh :/, though I guess your play had merrits as you made scum feel dangerous bout' you and bough Radfield more time (which ultimately helped lynch Toad). Just, don't spam too much, and continue playing like this. 10.Radfield + Show Spoiler + Hi God of Town! Good job with EVERYTHING! AUIGVASDHGSFGS. Not much to say then just keep it up. 11.risk.nuke + Show Spoiler + I guess I could say that your better then yourself in Purgatory? First, More activity, lurking probably played a major part in making people suspicios on you. Next, defend yourself more harder and faster, I think your defense post's we're nice, just more, and faster, at that time it was too late. Lastly, if you we're shot down by others saying that "lol your so scum i won't even bother thinking your town", point that out as scummy, why is this scummy? They never. ever. EVER. try to convince themselves to read or explore how you could be town, they didn't make effort, basically just didn't care about if you we're lynched or not. 12.slOosh + Show Spoiler + Good job not getting hit by mafia, you used your power at the right time and convinced everyone that you were town, also bringin down the law on Brubbles! Keep on playing like this. Thanks for playing people, sorry if your comments are too short or something. I did that man. Just look at how risk got lynched. That was on purpose :3 About our game: I think we all did somewhat good but we really lacked teamplay. Everyone did what he thought was best without asking the rest first and we really needed irc  When Rad did his case talis bussed me instantly saying the game is over althouth I had 3 townies saying they're not willing to vote me (when majority is 5 having 3 townies + 3 mafias on your side is quite a thing). With Talis help I could have survived easily imo. OR we should have bussed me all together making both talis and sbrubbles look good but that way with everyone doing something different we just ended up in a horrible position. Sad thing sbrubbles apparently had some problems of his own and had to quit which left talis alone vs the rest With proper teamplay this game could have gone either way but I was to lazy to set up an irc channel :p | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
WBG: Okay the wbg thing was pretty straight forward. We had both you and WBG being town and we thought we couldn't let both of you survive n1 and had to shoot either you or WBG. That was the basic thought. Both you and WBG were pretty clueless d1 and both of you actually ended up defending at least 1 mafia each saying you have a townread on him while pushing town. So from the looks of it you were both equally off the track. The 2 things that decided the shot on WBG for me were those two: In LI he ended up having NO clue at all d1 and after VE and I bussed each other hardcore making WBG say "if that's a bus it's the best bus I've ever seen on TL" he still ended up with a list of 6 people at the deadline that was 5/6 dead on right, only being wrong on me because of that bus. That was really impressive and I was really scared about something like that because he tends to not have a clue at all and out of nowhere he figured out everyone while you tend to figure out mafia one at a time from those games I saw you play. But that was just a sidenote, the really important thing was actually already mentioned by you: We picked 2-1 in votes. 2 RB and 1 framer. Nav voted RB and your analysis based on votes was really good and we thought something like that might happen so the thing that made us shoot WBG instead of you was the fact that he voted framer and not RB. If we had shot you instead we pictured it would be equally dangerous while having 2 people killed out of the "voted RB" group while having 2 players of our own in there and WBG still alive. We really didn't want to see that happening. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
risk.nuke, I feel like I kind of failed you. I never ended up looking closely again at your posts, because I thought you were scum, and I honestly did not think I would die N2. I'm not sure if I would have changed my mind or not, but there it is. prplhz, that's why we lynch Toad first! If Player A has a lot of content and looks scummy, and Player B has a small amount of content and looks scummy, lynch Player A first!I thought Talismania was town based mainly on the fact that the encryption idea was his. However I had a note down that while he came up with the idea, he did not appear to fully realize it's potency in that mafia could get caught lying and give us a list-check(which we ended up getting). I should have made a bigger deal out of that, as that is a very scum thing to do; pushing a plan, but not for the right reasons. It's similar to Toad pushing prplhz for the wrong reasons, and is a common mafia trait(because it's hard to see things from a mafia point of view). I agree 100% with Sbrubbles. Playing as mafia is extremely hard and stressful. In fact, the reason I don't play PM games is because I can't deal with it if I roll mafia, the stress is just too much. After 6 times as scum, I'm slowly getting able to handle being mafia. Not before I took about an 8 month break from playing though, solely because I wasn't having fun if I rolled mafia. Really solid play all around from town. Great play from mafia as well, and I think they picked the proper roles for town. If I was mafia I might have picked a Vigilante for town though. With 2 shots, it's very likely they are shooting on Night 1, and mafia can almost always stay hidden on night 1. It turns the game into a bit more of a coin toss, but can bring about an endgame extremely fast. Talismania, while I was wrong on you, I was actually right about sbrubbles. Early on I thought he was town, but by the time I had died I was pretty sure he was scum. You can see it from my "Toad, risk.nuke, Sbrubbles, GG NO RE!?" post. However, the reason I thought he was scum had more to do with seeing Kurumi, Zeph and Sloosh as town, then as anything particularly scummy Sbrubbles had done. Mafia got really hurt from the encrypting of votes and the subsequent Framer pick. List checks are outrageously powerful, and were in this game as well, despite us not knowing for sure what the exact picks were. Mafia were also hurt by the fact the HiroPro was playing very pro-town, which basically assured a 2-1 pick by mafia. Great setup by the way, and really good hosting. I would play this type of setup again for sure. Thanks Kita and bluelightz! | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
first C9++, now this. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Look at how little "idiot" "retard" "stupid" "moron" "dumb" there was in this game: "idiot" was said 9 times, all referring to I'm A Cop You Idiot. Toadesstern was the only player who was ever called retarded, and that was by himself! Zephirdd called himself stupid, I called myself stupid, and Sbrubbles called innocent child a stupidly good role. No "moron". When it comes to "dumb" then I'm the biggest sinner, but never directly against another player, only in hypothetical situations ("I think it would be dumb to shoot me!") About Toadesstern/risk.nuke, of course Toadesstern was the best lynch but I didn't realize it. I thought he was kind of townie looking and he explained himself well but I eventually got around (I would have hammered Toadesstern but I wanted to see if someone else would hammer him after I said I would). | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 09 2012 21:50 Radfield wrote: [...] I thought Talismania was town based mainly on the fact that the encryption idea was his. However I had a note down that while he came up with the idea, he did not appear to fully realize it's potency in that mafia could get caught lying and give us a list-check(which we ended up getting). I should have made a bigger deal out of that, as that is a very scum thing to do; pushing a plan, but not for the right reasons. It's similar to Toad pushing prplhz for the wrong reasons, and is a common mafia trait(because it's hard to see things from a mafia point of view). [...] Actually, I thought it was pretty obvious that was the reason for doing it. I left it unsaid but I probably would have made the exact same post as town. I wanted to clarify later, but then sbrubbles did it and I figured there was no point after that. The real reason you should have thought I was scum is that there's an even more potent usage for encryption that I didn't reveal :-) | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 09 2012 20:35 Toadesstern wrote: I did that man. Just look at how risk got lynched. That was on purpose :3 About our game: I think we all did somewhat good but we really lacked teamplay. Everyone did what he thought was best without asking the rest first and we really needed irc When Rad did his case talis bussed me instantly saying the game is over althouth I had 3 townies saying they're not willing to vote me (when majority is 5 having 3 townies + 3 mafias on your side is quite a thing). With Talis help I could have survived easily imo. OR we should have bussed me all together making both talis and sbrubbles look good but that way with everyone doing something different we just ended up in a horrible position. Sad thing sbrubbles apparently had some problems of his own and had to quit which left talis alone vs the rest With proper teamplay this game could have gone either way but I was to lazy to set up an irc channel :p The problem toad is that if I didn't bus you, what would have happened D3? We would have all been at mylo, sure, but who do we get mislynched? Prp? Zephirdd? It would have been an uphill struggle. Then again it might have been a better chance that what ended up happening. | ||
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