EPTSuperouman and Ange777, I REALLY want to hear something from you both soon. If Unforgiven_ve keeps up this style of posting, it would be better to lynch either of you (to at least certainly limit the pool of suspicious and useless lurkers/coasters).
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
Superouman and Ange777, I REALLY want to hear something from you both soon. If Unforgiven_ve keeps up this style of posting, it would be better to lynch either of you (to at least certainly limit the pool of suspicious and useless lurkers/coasters). | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
My apologies towards sciberbia were an attempt at self deprecating humor. Unfortunately there is no humor font, just as there is no sarcasm font here on the internetz. While my response to your question was not directly aimed at you, I did answer s0Lstice's question on my flip-flop of sciberbia here+ Show Spoiler + Yes s0Lstice, it does remind me of a certain game that happened very recently. In fact, last time it was you who was involved in my suspicion. I'm still suspicious of sciberbia, just like I'm suspicious of everyone else in this game, but my read on him was that he was trying to divide the town into a semi-useless discussion on policy. As far as I can tell he wasn't. He was trying to show a non-typical line of play for the town that could also improve our chances. I also must admit that his statement about 5 lynches confused me. I was looking at the number of mislynches we were allowed to make and saw his numbers were off. I didn't think it all the way through, he meant the maximum number of lynches we could have this game. Goal #1: Pressure sciberbia/get a response from him. Accomplished Goal #2: Prove I'm a complete dumbass. Accomplished @Miltonkram I'd like a clear explanation of why you felt it was so important to vote for sciberbia this early in the game. My suspicions on Vivax/Cattivik are still there and I'm not ignoring them. However I understand how difficult it is to post scumreads when it feels like half the town is tunneling you. If he feels like he needs to constantly defend his posts, he can't actually contribute to the town. I'd like to see when or if he tries to "help" the town before I'm ready to lynch him, that way we can tie him down to any stances he committs himself to and look at those stances later in the game. Also, how can you attack me for backing off of Vivax/Cattivik (which I have in terms of direct pressure, haven't in terms of suspicion) when you backed off of him at s0Lstice's behest? Trying to deflect pressure much (poorly I might add)? As for my statements on Unforgiven, it really feels like his case has developed because of the language barrier. Why else would he post something like this? + Show Spoiler + Sorry, i missed this, im REALLY against bandwagons, specially at the last hours of the day, i think on day 1 we dont have much information to work on, but we need to have our eyes open for a mafia slip, yes, lets pressure people, if they evade/lurk/start attacking other people whitout a real reason, then thats our day 1 candidate. Also, i like to save my vote to the last hours of the day, mafia is always much more active at day last hours just to see if they can change the decision or who is going to die. If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest. Such an obvious contradiction in his post seems like there are nuances he's trying to convey, but has a difficult time putting to words. For clarity's sake I don't think Unforgiven's case is very good. I think it's poorly conceived and that scum have jumped on it to give it more steam than it should ever have had. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
I think you have a really good case against suki, but I need to reread it and go over the thread a few more times just to make sure it checks out. I think I have a case that may be even better though. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Ange777 I would like to draw everyone's attention to our prime lurking player Ange777. Logic dictates that a lurking townie would at least try to contribute in some way. With that in mind let's take a look at his posts. I can't think of any good reason for a no lynch. We might get scum today and without day 1 lynch the night 1 kill will be even more diffficult to analyse. He takes a very safe stance here, one that steps on no ones toes. Mostly fluff. Since I took the same stance and it's his first post I'll take it easy on him. Second post: I have been out all day and will only be back later. I'll catch up with the thread then! He only posts this after there has been several mentions of his name. If he's been out all day, how come he's back in the thread just a few hours after people have been threatening him? And to post that? Third post: Trying to catch up with the thread at 1:30 am is not that effective .... Out of the three players that already got a vote Unforgiven seems the most scummy. As townie your vote is always your strongest weapon for the scumhunt. I don't say that you should random vote other players but once you have a good case it is always good to push and vote it. Until now your play seems very safe, a lot of fluffy posts. But yes, I shouldn't be the one complaining when I am officially lurking. I even have to announce another day of lurking, but I promise some more (and BETTER!) action from me tomorrow before deadline! He pops into the thread shortly to bandwagon a case and post some pretty fluffy advice. Next he promises action near the deadline. Let me explain why his promises of action are scummy. Town don't play the game to keep from dying, they play the game to try and kill mafia. Scum play the game to stay alive. This is the key to analysis of his play. His second post is only after people have drawn focus to him. His third is useless and with that tantalizing promise of action. His promise seems like it's there to stave off pressure so that we distract ourselves with other cases and he can continue lurking without committing any information to the game. He is trying to stave off pressure and keep himself out of people's sights, a sign that he is actively lurking. I must also point out that superouman has drawn the most flak for his lurking style of play. If there are multiple lurkers, in this case Superouman and Ange777, a lurker lynch oftentimes benefits scum because they put their weight behind the lurker who is town. Knowing the pressure on superouman I'm inclined to lynch the other lurker because scum most likely have been trying to draw our attention to the wrong one. (I know I know. I pressured Superouman too.) The final and most damning piece of evidence is this, while he's been making excuses for lurking in this thread he's been active and contributing in TL Mafia LV. Seriously, check out the posting history on his profile and take a look. This is another sign that he has been actively attempting to lurk this game. If you see any flaws in my argument please point them out, but I think it's pretty ironclad. ##Vote: Ange777 | ||
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Vivax
21768 Posts
I'll first tell you who I'm going to vote for now: Ange777. He hasn't been contributing anything whatsoever, and while I think that sciberbias posting on suki was quite good, so was his defense. Right now there are a lot of votes for a lot of different people. The weirdest one coming from superouman, no explanation whatsoever. If there's a majority the town can get without fear of hitting blue, it's Ange777. It's a day 1 with lots of information from almost everybody with exception of him, and I can say for sure that this day 1 has been a fingerpointing match like it shouldn't have been for a good town. Let's at least try to finish it with something we have an agreement on: Like most of us stated, the lurkers should get lynched first unless we already have strong scumreads. And if this guy is mafia, he doesn't have to contribute anything as of now to remain unharmed. Now to Eishi_Ki: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 14:38 Eishi_Ki wrote: I think he made a couple of posts promoting a town leader (which imo is a bad idea), I see no lack of conversation, therefore, no need to 'get the ball rolling' as you put it. The ball is already in motion. He then went away for a while, came back and saw a lot of people becoming suspicious of him and he panicked, dropped the idea of town leader very quickly but continued to remind everyone not to judge on past games to which no one so far has mentioned or even brought up in conversation. Probable mafia. And here we go for my REVENGE post (huehue) After dropping the subject of Vivax because there wasn't a lot to talk about, I now feel I have more substantial points. First off + Show Spoiler + Eishi_Ki: Pretty poor arguments to accuse me, but blends in well with the opinions of the former posts.You also say you have a reason to keep lurking. A win/win situation for mafia. You also suspect those who are most active here. Then there's this: On May 31 2012 14:04 Eishi_Ki wrote: Yeah just a note on my activity times, I live in Korea so 7am KST actually 7am (whodathunk) and I gotta work, so activity time before the deadline will be minimal I'm afraid (or maybe it's a good thing, hmm) Dude, what. How is it a good thing? You are basically saying that you won't contribute much to the scumhunt while the scumjuice flows out of your every pore. I don't even want to go on with other players cause I think you should start telling us more about your thought processes: ##VOTE :Eishi_Ki Straight up calls me out for no concise reason + Show Spoiler + Yes, i never supported a NL, but aknocwledged sciberbias point I suggest that you keep the discussion to yourself, you talk a lot about me, not about the accusations towards you. If you admit you are scum now, you may choose the way you get lynched, Eishi_Ki, like being drowned in single malt whisky to have a last taste of your country. I'll keep the vote locked in. Continues on the warpath with no sway in opinion whatsoever. Next post, after my rebuttal, he continues to press the issue. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 02:07 Vivax wrote: You mean his joke?Yes, I didn't get the joke. My main points (which I wonder you don't know, cause they were at the beginning of my argumentation against him) are that he just started posting after two accusations were out, with the claim of me talking of 'us' townies with the purpose of making myself sound as if I were one, while heist, a few posts above, does exactly the same thing I did. So Eishi_Ki bandwagoned with a very weak claim, a very small post and no pressure to post in the future cause of his schedule. Also, notice how once confronted with his weak claim he suddenly accuses three other people but not me anymore. He must have noticed that his claim is really weak and is now dodging the accusations. He also denied a statement concerning the weak claim instead asking what the accusation is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=8#143 I think there is not enough information on unforgiven, except for a nonexistent post analysis. He gave general tips so far, then he agreed with statements from other players without questioning them and without posting something concrete. I'll stick to my opinion regarding sciberbia and Eishi_Ki. In case I won't have a majority on Eishi_Ki, I'll try to help achieve the majority on the case i believe is most correct in order to get a Day 1 lynch 100%. And up to this point I STILL don't know what I was accused of. I never asserted that I was accusing you, only that I was suspicious. What do you want, a full accusation after you post a couple of times? I felt the need to contribute, and I did. Yes my points were weak but I frankly don't know anything about D1 vs D2 lynch so I opted out of saying anything in that regard. Plus, it was a dead horse. Finally, since that point, I have said nothing regarding Vivax to sway or dissuade him (sleeping and working). But from going from a vehement hyper aggressive vote for myself to this.... + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 05:51 Vivax wrote: Cattivik here, I just had my name changed <_< , hope noone gets confused. Anyway, suki wanted some opinions on other players, so I'll put sciberbia and Eishi_Ki aside. Alright, where should I start. Let's start with you, suki: You have 5 substantial posts so far, excluding those answering game related questions or correcting formal mistakes. Your first stance was expressed after Miltons' vote against sciberbia. You believe sciberbia to have posted in the towns' interest. So do I, that's why I defend him.And the argument of mafia not posting first in a newbie game doesn't seem wrong to me. You seem to support cases especially against unforgiven_ve, then Milton, then Eishi, then me. Frankly, I don't think you are mafia. On to s0lstice: Very focused on unforgiven_ve, but also very eager to get opinions and wake up the lurkers. Rather than focusing on the exposed ones, he's getting the guys behind first, without doubt he's working pro-town and not afraid to defend people who he believes are townies, in this case me. The first post didn't look decise, but everything following convinced me of your town alignment. Xatalos: First trying to get the lurkers, now he's pushing the case against unforgiven_ve along with s0lstice. Not seen too much of a hard stance except for the one on unforgiven yet. But I'm pretty sure you are townie aswell. Miltonkram: He suspected sciberbia before understanding his point of view and apologized accordingly, suki found that apology a little suspicious, I don't. I think it's strange you have a scumread about me trying to buddy up with someone. I immediately dismissed the NL option in the s0lstice case.Doesn't exactly support his post. Still, I believe you are townie. O.golden_ne: Not sure why he's pushing the case against me so hard, then suspects Xatalos for defending me. Then he defends Eishi_ki against my accusations, saying he contributes more than me to the discussion. Actually, Eishi_ki started posting suspects after this post. Eishi's only claim before this post was that I am suspicious cause I spoke of 'we', the town. I think it's a really weak defense of Eishi and a weak case against me. More to my defense further down in the post. I do like that you also suspect the lurkers though. I can't tell if you are mafia or town. heist: One of the things I notice is that you didn't acknowledge my defence so far. You also didn't post a definite opinion in form of a vote or FoS. You gave general hints at the start. I can't tell if you are mafia or town. Superouman: The only thing you said which could haunt you as mafia later in the game is this: The rest reflects a strong indecision. In one of his posts, he says he doesn't want to judge only based on assumptions. While such a Day1 attitude doesn't produce anything useful, he could just be making the mistakes of a noob townie. Cause of the neutrality of his posts I might vote for him in absence of another strong case. I believe Superouman to be scum or not confident enough. He just voted for sciberbia out of nowhere, whatever. Unforgiven_ve No cases, basically a resume of what has been posted so far. He might have felt the urge to post something positive cause he missed the timing when all the reccommendations were posted, or he might just try to blend in with the majority. There is a fairly strong case against him, although people have been accusing him fast. It might also just be a misunderstanding cause of the different languages, but we can't go for charity in this game, that's why I also suspect you of being scum. Ange777: Permanent lurker. He promised he would contribute something soon. If it's not enough, I will vote for him first and unvote Eishi_Ki. Alright, now to my next defense: I'm one of the most, if not the most active poster in this game so far. Assuming that I survive this day or night while being mafia, my posts make me so transparent that I wouldn't survive day 2 for certain. In that case, I would have played mafia like an idiot. Also cause I'm exposing myself quite extremely. Whoever should be proven wrong for promoting the case against me in case I get lynched will most likely get in trouble the next day, cause I will flip town. The first to fall should be the lurkers. Killing me would also provide a nice bunch of information about peoples' motives for pushing against me, but naturally, I would like to avoid that. ...does seem highly suspicious. I haven't attempted to change your mind on your vote, so why the weak knees and change of heart to calling out a lurker? Was it everyone else basically telling you your argument was moot and that my responses were adequate? In either case, I had you fingered from the start and my suspicions were not waived despite moving onto other subjects. Here be mafia. I'm also calling out Superouman, I have tried several times and attempted to encourage you to contribute more. Enough's enough though, I believe you are mafia and are using the newb excuse to sway opinion. I'm not buying it. I'm not going to vote just yet, a response from Vivax will make my decision. Be back this evening. I'll try and stay awake as long as I can for the vote (might be drunk, who knows, fire friday and all) I'll stop giving accurate posts where i quote myself and others in chronological order, since some people don't seem to be able to read that information properly, else they wouldn't still be thinking I'm not town. So I'll keep the answers restricted to your post especially concerning the comments on the spoilers: Spoiler1: See spoiler3 Spoiler2: That was an answer to your accusation that I want a D1L while supporting sciberbias' idea of a NL, which you felt was contradictory. Spoiler3: What rebuttal of yours?post that too maybe. Anyway, the accusation is written in the spoiler: Jumping on the bandwagon with heist and Golden_ne with a really weak claim. The time schedule might be a reason for you to be less active, still it's something every good townie should be suspicious at first glance. Also, notice how you post -again- after the two of them posted already a claim against me. You seem to really like to show up together with them and ignoring other town matters to push the case against me. Spoiler4: This spoiler really makes me wonder if you're actually reading the thread. You should really do that. I'll read that for you, my post in the spoiler was an answer to suki, who wanted me to put your case aside and hear opinions about other players. That's what I've done, scummy?Hell no, one of the few times I can actually push the scumhunt cause I don't have to defend myself from feeble accusations. Anyway, even if my case on you might be wrong, it has pulled out so much information that you won't be able to not get pressured in case I die, along with some other folk. I'll conclude with my vote against the lurker: ##Unvote Eishi_Ki ##Vote Ange777 | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
Just really quick, I want to point out a reading error in your case sciberbia. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 11:18 sciberbia wrote: But then he analyzes the possible outcomes of the vote from the perspective that Miltonkram is town. Notice that suki considers the scenario that I am mafia. At that point in the game, it looked pretty damn unlikely that me and Milton were both mafia. So why is suki analyzing what a townie Miltonkram stands to gain from that vote? What's the point of that analysis? His possible lynch outcomes all assume that Milton is scum, not town. He is saying that, as scum, bussing you extremely early would give him big town credit if you were scum as well. He also would have deniability if you flipped town, because he did retract his vote after all. It is still a weird analysis, as scum don't bus eachother without a strong reason. That out of the way, I agree that his first real meaty post wasn't all that meaty. All it needed to be was the final paragraph, where he comes to the decision that Milton is town. There is no reason to waste all that space entertaining the notion that Milton is scum if you are going to conclude he is town. What's more, the end conclusion has to match the dissertation. If you are going to give Milton a bunch of strikes for scummy behavior, it better be countered with more points that highlight his townieness if the end conclusion is that he is town. I didn't see this happening. This could be scummy play, or just bad analysis by a townie not sure how to contribute. Need to keep going to decide how to read this. Concerning the second post. I noticed something: On May 31 2012 23:51 suki wrote: --snipped First, the ability to change your vote kind of lessens the importance of Milton's extremely fast voting, and sort of discounts a lot of my initial suspicions of him On May 31 2012 23:51 suki wrote: --snipped And yet he still sits on the fence about sciberbia, and 'everyone else'. Just like s0lstice, I find it suspicious that he's so aggressive without conviction. He says his suspicions based on Milton's aggressiveness are reduced because he found out you can change your vote, but then maintains that Milton is being super aggressive, and it's making him suspicious. To me this look like circular logic, and it sticks out. In his defense post, this immediately jumped out: On June 01 2012 14:50 suki wrote: --snipped For what it's worth, I've only changed my mind on someone once, and that is on Cattivik. Let me go over the accusations brought to me. On June 01 2012 14:50 suki wrote: --snipped Let me state it really clearly here: I wanted to acknowledge to s0lstice that it was possible to read Cattivik as townie, but that didn't mean that he had to be townie. I never retracted my suspicions on Cattivik, and in fact asked him to start talking about other players, so that there would be more information about him other than a petty quarrel between one other player. This again is in the same post, and it seems contradictory. Changing his mind on cattavik presumably means that he stopped being so suspicious, yet later he says his suspicions have not changed. If you can see both town and scum motivation on a players actions, then you really have nothing, no case. A case begins when an action reads purely scum. Regarding the accusation of piling on suspicion to players who are already under suspicion, I think you are assigning too much weight there. It's a small game, and if you feel suspicious of someone, chances are so does somebody else. Sometimes they are going to beat you to the punch in posting them as well. Suki touched on this I believe. Either you post, and catch flak for bandwagoning, or you stay silent, and catch flak for being silent. Bandwagoning is most useful to look at after someone gets lynched. You look at who pushed it, who were late comers to the case, and who was against it. You also say that when he does speak about what's going on around him, it looks non-commital and political. Here I have to agree. This does look suspicious. To sum up: I think there are enough points here that the case is worth pursuing. Suki, can you respond to the stuff I added to what sciberbia said? | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
Also Milton...seriously? That huge case against a lurker? The problem with a lurker is obvious, they are lurking. Your 'most damning point' is a non-point. She (I think she is a she? sorry if I am wrong Ange) is playing two games. We even talked about it in the pre-game. She was subbed in to TL Mafia LV before this game started. Making enough time for one game is hard enough, let alone two. This does not forgive her for lurking, she simply is choosing to favor the other game, and maybe will get lynched because of it. How you read this as purely scummy makes no sense to me. I'd like everyone else to have a look at Milton's filter...he is climbing into scum territory on my list. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Do you disagree with the other points I made about timing? What about my analysis of the content of his/her posts? What about the fact that scum may have been trying to derail our lynch to the wrong lurker? Don't just point out one point in my case and claim that you've refuted the entire thing. My entire case does not hinge on him/her being busy with two games at once even though I still think Ange777 is deliberately lurking. There is a difference between lurking because of time constraints and lurking with purpose. It's a difficult distinction to make but I think Ange is lurking with purpose. | ||
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Vivax
21768 Posts
On May 31 2012 07:38 s0Lstice wrote: Apropos to learning from last game, I can't help but feel that we should strongly consider lynching lurkers if any do appear. Of course it's a question of degrees...I just don't want to see another Mufaa/skware. I think it would be healthy for you to live by your principles, s0lstice. Ange777's degree of lurking is quite massive. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Sciberbia (1): Eishi_Ki: Unforgiven_ve (2): Xatalos, Suki Suki (2): Unforgiven_ve, Sciberbia Ange777 (2): Miltonkram, Vivax Remember that the lynch system is Extended Majority, which means that its 7 votes to lynch! Submit your votes by the deadline which is in about 10.5 hours, or face toad's fury. Votecount as of 20.29 TL time | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
In response to your specific points Milton, really the only thing of substance is the timing. A busy player who's name pops up is going to feel extra incentive to chime in. This is true if the player is either town or scum. Any analysis of content is futile, as there is basically no content. She could easily be half-assing it by popping in to the thread, taking the current temperature, and accuse the most scummy person at the time. This could also be lurking scum. If she isn't actively pursuing her win condition, then she's either a useless townie, or is lurking scum and actually IS pursuing her win condition. Either way, the answer is to lynch. This is obvious, and it struck me as strange that you would write up a huge post about it. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
We need to get a good lynch effort started before the deadline is too close, or Mafia might manipulate the thread to chaos, causing a no-lynch (thus increasing the pool of suspects compared to likely townies after the night kill is over, making it much easier to hide). I'm not very convinced about lynching Unforgiven_ve anymore, since he started showing signs of wanting to participate in the Mafia hunt. I was thinking about voting for Superouman a bit earlier, but after Miltonkram's post on Ange777, I reconsidered. If Superouman was a more experienced player, he would be pretty likely Mafia. However, since he's new and doesn't apparently know how to play the game properly, it's possible he's just a suboptimal townie playing against his win condition. I see no such plausible explanation for Ange777's play. He's had the time to post excuses about his lack of interest in Mafia hunting, but he hasn't STILL done anything for town's best interests. His play is most obviously anti-town at the moment, and he'll flip Mafia more likely than Unforgiven_ve or Superouman (although you two aren't cleared in my eyes either). ##Unvote ##Vote Ange777 About Suki... I'll look at his filter when I get home, but I got the feeling he's been pretty focused on hunting Mafia. He doesn't read as townie as some players (Cattivik, sciberbia) to me, but I think he also responded earlier in a pretty townie manner. I want to see more from him, but I don't think he's a good Day 1 lynch at all. | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
He says his suspicions based on Milton's aggressiveness are reduced because he found out you can change your vote, but then maintains that Milton is being super aggressive, and it's making him suspicious. To me this look like circular logic, and it sticks out. I think it's a matter of looking at my opinion of Milton in degrees, rather than a black and white suspicious/not suspicious point of view. While it's true that my suspicion of him was decreased because I found out you can change votes, but voting for someone still applies a lot of pressure and it shows you at least have some degree of certainty that they are worth the vote. Voting for someone is still a big deal, regardless of the fact that you can change your vote later. I don't think what I said was circular logic at all. + Show Spoiler + In his defense post, this immediately jumped out: On June 01 2012 14:50 suki wrote: --snipped For what it's worth, I've only changed my mind on someone once, and that is on Cattivik. Let me go over the accusations brought to me. On June 01 2012 14:50 suki wrote: --snipped Let me state it really clearly here: I wanted to acknowledge to s0lstice that it was possible to read Cattivik as townie, but that didn't mean that he had to be townie. I never retracted my suspicions on Cattivik, and in fact asked him to start talking about other players, so that there would be more information about him other than a petty quarrel between one other player. This again is in the same post, and it seems contradictory. Changing his mind on cattavik presumably means that he stopped being so suspicious, yet later he says his suspicions have not changed. If you can see both town and scum motivation on a players actions, then you really have nothing, no case. A case begins when an action reads purely scum. I apologize for the contradiction in my post. Changing my mind on cattivik referred to changing from thinking he was clearly scum to entertaining the idea that his actions could show that he was town. Yes, he's still suspicious to me. The extreme certainty of sciberbia's role and his twisted accusation of Eishi_ki still read scummy to me... but I conceded that there was a possibility to read them as town as well. Like I said previously, I wanted to acknowledge that it was possible to read Cattivik as townie, as opposed to my previous stance where I was sure he was scum. As you saw, Milton has already called me out on backing off of Cattivik, so I feel justified in putting in the clause that 'I've changed my mind only once'. If I had instead said 'I have never changed my mind', would I have not been criticised of backing off of Cattivik? I've also accused Milton of backing off of Cattivik, but what sticks out to me is that he has not shown any commitment to a scum read on a player, whereas I have. If I'm suspicious for being non-commital and political, I don't see why Miltonkram isn't much higher on the suspicion list. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:38 Superouman wrote: Since it's getting late in europe and not much time remaining, i'll vote now ##Vote sciberbia Is no one going to force Superouman to be liable for his really random, thoughtless vote on Sciberbia? He must be ecstatic to see almost the entire town become focused on the our other resident lurker. He has an early vote and I'm concerned that he's purposefully saying away precisely because everything is going his way. On May 31 2012 23:29 Superouman wrote: For the first day, i think we should lynch one of the lurkers. They maybe think if they do nothing, they will pass under the radar. Or if they are townies, well... they should just have said something to be less suspect My reasons exactly. Solstice you're right. Lurkers don't have content to analyze. There is no point in waxing on. I think Superouman is a better candidate than Ange77, who frankly has gotten a lot of votes in a short amount of time right at the deadline. Vote##: superouman | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
I just went through sciberbias, Eishi_Ki's and Miltonkrams' post. I'll first tell you who I'm going to vote for now: Ange777. He hasn't been contributing anything whatsoever, and while I think that sciberbias posting on suki was quite good, so was his defense. Right now there are a lot of votes for a lot of different people. The weirdest one coming from superouman, no explanation whatsoever. If there's a majority the town can get without fear of hitting blue, it's Ange777. It's a day 1 with lots of information from almost everybody with exception of him, and I can say for sure that this day 1 has been a fingerpointing match like it shouldn't have been for a good town. Let's at least try to finish it with something we have an agreement on: Like most of us stated, the lurkers should get lynched first unless we already have strong scumreads. And if this guy is mafia, he doesn't have to contribute anything as of now to remain unharmed. Vivax, you still have my suspicions but I promised you the benefit of the doubt for a more promising candidate. Every thing you've said can also be said about Superouman. You even call out Superouman's weird vote. I ask you, why Ange77 over Superouman? | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
##Vote: Superouman | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
Ange777 already has four votes on him, and by lynching him we rid ourselves of a lurker. To guarantee a Day 1 lynch I will vote for Ange777. ##Unvote Unforgiven_ve ##Vote Ange777 | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Making the distinction between a townie that lurks and a scum that lurks comes entirely down to motivation. It's a difficult distinction to make, which is why I made such a lengthy post on it. The problem with a lurker is obvious, they are lurking. No, the problem with a lurker is they might be scum trying to fly under the radar. The way to spot scummy lurker play is by examining when that player enters the thread and for what reasons. Analysis can be made of lurker play, you just have to know what to look for. I think I made a good case and I stand by it. | ||
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Vivax
21768 Posts
On June 02 2012 01:40 heist wrote: From Vivax, Vivax, you still have my suspicions but I promised you the benefit of the doubt for a more promising candidate. Every thing you've said can also be said about Superouman. You even call out Superouman's weird vote. I ask you, why Ange77 over Superouman? Superouman offered us reads with his strange behaviour. I really have no clue on that, but at least he posted some substantial things and voted, although with no apparent reason. And Ange777 promised something he didn't deliver. No reads, no votes, nothing. I've read his posts in other threads, and he seems to be more focused on those when he could have posted in this game at that time. Since you are supposed to favor a day 1 lynch, i suggest you put your vote on Ange777 to achieve that required majority. We have 5 votes so far, 2 more to go. The day 1 lynch is almost there, and i'd prefer if noone disrupted it now. | ||
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