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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On March 20 2012 12:45 Nisani201 wrote: ...or are you just speculating? I assume you're talking to sinani, but I can probably answer. If there is a takeover mechanic (which isn't confirmed), I know nothing about how it works. I don't think it's even possible to confirm other cores as in the game unless they were roles and not voted offices. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I have been reading the thread, but not posting. I see no need to contribute to all of the noise that is going on in the thread. I find discussions about the black market, Foolishness' posting restriction, Gracks lemons, the D.Engine, wheatleys theorized shift in win condition to all be irrelevant to me and a distraction to everyone. None of those things help me find scum. Lets talk a little bit about Foolishness. He's one of the most renowned, if not the best, scum hunters on TL mafia. His posting habits were strange this game, sure, but lets look at this objectively. If he rolled anything but town, he would still have an incentive to scum-hunt to the best of his ability. All the scum factions want to kill the other scum factions that might shoot their members. The third parties want to look like they're useful/town so they can survive long enough to achieve their win objective. There is simply no good reason not to trust him and kill the people he singled out. On that note: I still reaffirm that Dirk looks red to me. His 'scum-hunting' so far has been to wait for someone to call him scum and then retaliate in saying that they must be scum. His case against foolishness is weak to say the least: He has a post restriction (or is feigning it) => we should hang him. His argument that Grack should be held accountable for shooting him is just an attempt to scare Grack away from pulling the trigger. Instead of trying to scare Grack away from shooting you, why don't you prove to Grack that it would be a bad idea by finding some scum. Put up a case, preferably something more tangible then "he's not posting". I am still waiting for that list of reads from Bluelightz. He was able to post in Wherebugsgo's C9++ mini, but never came back here to deliver those reads to us. I do not get the same feel from Bluelightz as I have in previous games with him. He's on my watch list. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
Not sure what to think of it at the moment. Wheatley also supports it. Something to think about. Honestly I would like Kenpachi to share some reasoning on why he wants Glados dead so badly. Am I correct in that Sinani will be killed by some residual effect? If so, I think that is pretty cool. I am still for a Dirk or Bluelightz lynch today. Will post more stuff, once I wake up. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
First up, He is pushing Glados Examples: On March 17 2012 11:20 Kenpachi wrote: Im trying to kill GLaDOS to get my superpower. short and simple. killing GLaDOS does not require voting in the voting thread. all we need is a consensus in the discussion thread. kk simple right? On March 17 2012 15:52 Kenpachi wrote: and we kill GLaDOS. That is the main point our party would advocate if my selfless begging gets us nowhere You would say that Kenpachi is pushing Glados for his superpower but, has Kenpachi told anything on what HAPPENS when we actually get a majority on Glados? Also, Kenpachi NEVER explained his reads, he just randomly said "Wiggles is town", "HOLY FUCK YOU JUST PAITNED YOUR SELF SCUM IN 1 POST LOL." On March 19 2012 08:44 Kenpachi wrote: huh. #1 reading it seems. my reads? Kitaman is scum Wiggles is Town. On March 19 2012 04:35 Kenpachi wrote: HOLY FUCK YOU JUST PAINTED YOURSELF SCUM IN 1 POST. LOL In addition to all this, Kenpachi has been posting mass useless one liners On March 19 2012 02:49 Kenpachi wrote: This town sucks On March 19 2012 02:56 Kenpachi wrote: let kill GLaDOS guys On March 19 2012 02:57 Kenpachi wrote: lets* On March 19 2012 04:44 Kenpachi wrote: GMarshal On March 20 2012 08:45 Kenpachi wrote: HOLY FUCK The above are examples of them. So, in conclusion, Kenpachi is being useless, and not helping town but only helping his wincon by never telling us what getting a majority on Glados does. ##Vote: Kenpachi | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Also @ Jayjay when you say next two days do you mean in game days or RL days? Assuming in game days, but correct me if im wrong Another thing I dont like is the fact that some people are starting to vote for glados. I will state my stance on kenpachi in abit, but really? Why would we want to take an unknown risk, dealing with some sort of unknown mechanic that has the potential to screw us over. All we know is that voting glados = kenpachi with superpowers, which I dont really want since I have no idea what kenpachi's alignment is yet. I find Velinath jumping onto this glados "wagon" suspicious as hell, considering the speculation that he might take over glados or something. Sinani's decision to go along with voting glados is like complete bullshit - "Oh guys dont worry wheatly might not overtake glados and crap, so lets just take a shot in the dark and pray this is some sort of pro-town mechanic!" Dead man walking, so w/e. Regarding kenpachi, I have, as said, 0 idea what the hell he is. He has contributed nothing besides supposedly dontating a now useless item to a 3rd party, troll the shit out of the thread, and of course make his glados push. I would push for his lynch if it was anyone else... but it seems that a few of you say that he mostly plays somewhat like this, constantly trolling and stuff. I wouldnt mind a lynch of him though, assuming we dont have any better targerts at the end of the day. Next up comes the night kills. Gonzaw dying was completely expected due to his (imo wierd & dumb, unless its fake which I doubt) claim last night. Seems to be a hit from the lord of the riftttttt or w/e. What is worrying now is that he has the destabalization engine, which might prove a little.. disatrious, unless his wincon is similar to barlog's. Im inclined to think that the "burned to death" hits werent mafia hits. Even though there are 3 of them, which might seem normal considering that most of the KP is likely to be from normal scum KP (maybe not considering all the 3rd parties & stuff), the hits would be be pretty wierd since its 3 lurkers who were under pretty heavy suspision. Seems like pretty wierd hits to me, and the fact that the flip is hidden makes this even more fustrating. Im guessing that its some sort of town KP - but 3 to one person seems a bit unbalanced... Guess we need to wait a couple more nights to see. Foolishness getting killed night 1 isnt much of a surprise considering his reputation, and whatever he rolled (considering the possibility of mutiple scum teams (sleeper cell is one)) he probably got hit from mutiple sides. Maybe mafia doublestacked him or something. Blazinghand is a shot that makes sense considering how 14 people thought he was town(election), which is quite alot. Probably a mafia hit imo. So, velinath. Did you do anything with the black market this night? Did you give any items to anyone? Also, im still really busy these couple of days -.- Really sorry about this, but my schedule should be getting less hetic soon. I dont think ill have much time for today and probably tomorrow (IRL days) at least to contribute as much as I should be. I need to take some time to go read some filters, and would probably spend some time on it for a while later on. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 20 2012 10:20 MidnightGladius wrote: Ugh, I hate the janitor effect :/. The 3 "burned to death" deaths have a detail that seems unlikely to be coincidental: the three players are right next to each other on the player list. This sounds exactly like the RPG item described in the original "Blackaller Market," which leads me to a few conclusions: - "burned to death" is probably not the mafia kill flavor - The original target was Cyber_Cheese. Cwave and RayzorFlash were collateral damage - The mafia killed one of gonzaw, Blazinghand, or Foolishness. As gonzaw was obviously killed by KALTHAZAR, the mafia must have killed one of BH or Foolishness, and the other was more likely hit by 3rd party or a 2nd mafia KP than a town-aligned vigilante. Ultimately, I highly doubt that mafia has 3 KP right now. I don't want to kill GlaDOS. I think doing so would be an excruciatingly bad idea. I'm still not impressed with ghost's posting since after I noted him as lurking. He clearly didn't read properly about Kenpachi's campaign to kill GlaDOS, and he's only been making some general comments, without making any direct scum reads. That offer still stands, by the way. I like this post very much. This probably means there were 4 Kp at work at night (with 1KP having collateral damage), and at least 1 of them (RIIIIIIIIIIFT) was probably one shot (3rd Party, and Drazerk was one-shot as well). So for the next nights, the KP would probably be around 2 to 3 (sleeper cell, Mafia, and perhaps another 3rd party or an item). Off to more important stuff: While I do agree that Dirk Harpec makes a good lynch target, I would like to point out the behaviour of two other people as well. ghost_403: When I last played with him (and he was town) he was quite aggressiv. He constantly called out lurkers, pointing out logical flaws and putting pressure on people, see here In this game, there is nothing of that. Instead: On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote: Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party. ##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. And then he goes on for the rest of the day to talk about Drazerk, which he just wrote that it won't help us. After the lynch, the only notable post is this one where he defends himself and shortly talks about Dirk (like everyone else does). On March 20 2012 05:59 ghost_403 wrote: A quick note for Nisani and Maverick: There was no good reason for me to post on why I though Dirk was scummy when I got back. When I returned to the thread, Draz had gone off the deepend, and needed to go IMO. When Draz was a neutral third party, I didn't see the point in offing him; he's just going to sit around and ignore us for the most part. Then, he tells us that he's starting to help the sleeper cell. That's when he changed from neutral to dangerous, and that's why I switched a vote. As far as my thoughts on Dirk: not impressed, but not ready to lynch him. A few of his posts have been aggressive and poorly thought out. For example, this one, where he says we should lynch anyone who was not immediately on board the Draz lynch. That's terrible play for a lot of reasons. Right now, I'm leaning stupid aggressive townie as opposed to scum, but I'm willing to change my positions if he does something really stupid. If he got vig'd, I'd say no big loss. I get the feeling that he is trying to stay away from discussions, and I don't like that. blubbdavid You have not reacted at all to my comment that you would make a good vigshot, why not? You are still only posting one liners, and as you write yourself, most is uninformed crap that is either plain wrong (which you would know if you payed attention in the thread) or irrelevant. Why should town keep you around? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On March 20 2012 19:29 Paperscraps wrote: So anyone else think that Kenpachi's win con has something to do with getting Glados lynched? Not sure what to think of it at the moment. Wheatley also supports it. Something to think about. Honestly I would like Kenpachi to share some reasoning on why he wants Glados dead so badly. Am I correct in that Sinani will be killed by some residual effect? If so, I think that is pretty cool. I am still for a Dirk or Bluelightz lynch today. Will post more stuff, once I wake up. ![[image loading]](http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/You+don+t+say+_975d86151d9051b3ec9d9d20276dbd0c.jpg) Geez, he said he can get 'super powers' with glados death, but he can't tell us what it is. Anyhow, I didnt vote yesterday because phone. it sucks to navigate with it and bold stuff. Voting Kenpachi until he becomes actually useful. I mean, I get it that he wouldn't be useful day 1 because fuck it's day 1, but now he's got enough info to actually scumhunt. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Blazinghand getting shot over Velinath somewhat confuses me. Why is the runner up getting shot, rather than the player who has access to distributing pro-town powers among the members of town? The only reason I can think of Kenpachi having a GMarshal fake claim would be if he is the third party planar dragon. If that is the case, I don't think he should be today's lynch as we already used yesterday to eliminate a third party player. MidnightGladius, why are you claiming vanilla town day one? Was it simply an attempt to be elected? I'll mention my annoyance at the no flip again because I like to complain. On March 19 2012 22:30 Sbrubbles wrote: @Veli, can you tell us what items are for sale? There's reason to suspect there are 5 (well, now 4) portal guns around, which (if we believe Drazerk) show what items a person has. If someone is found to have one item from this list, it would be a good lead for town. Could you explain what you mean here Sbrubbles? Also, who are you suspicious of right now, besides kenpachi? A lot of your focus this game is on mechanics, rather than scum hunting. I'm considering the following people for lynch today: Mr. Wiggles On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: 3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument Draz flat out claims that Wiggles has a different alignment as him and Wiggles completely ignores this. I know from my perspective, that if someone tells the thread that I'm scum or third party that I'm going to be refuting the claim 100% and going hard after him. When posting his reasoning for voting, he hardly even references draz's bizzare claim. In fact, at one point, he even starts to back off the lynch: On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Are you really willing to give a pass to a player who essentially claims they used an item to prove that you are scum? You argue that a kp might be better, but that is one less kp the mafia have to worry about and if no one shoots him or draz survives the hit, then we get to waste another day dealing with him. You buy his rage core claim after he claims to use an investigative item on you making you look bad? In addition, you never suggest an alternative for the lynch. When sharing his few reads that he does provide, he always gives reasons that make a player look good and bad, rather than committing strongly one way or another. The strongest read he does provide is a null read. On March 18 2012 04:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: gonzaw, so far I think that you're asking a lot of questions and posting actively, which is good. However, you're somewhat inundating the thread with them, and that means that a lot of them end up unanswered or forgotten. On March 20 2012 06:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On Zephird: I don't like his early posting, as it mostly consists of spam and commentary. After that, though, it actually picks up a fair bit. Rather than openly share his opinion, he has to be questioned. Today he hasn't provided any suggestions for the day two lynch. Bluelightz The cases Bluelightz have provided us are essentially summaries, rather than analysis. He mentions that sinani is lurking, and quotes all three of cwave's posts, but doesn't explain why these things make them scum. In the town games I've read through, he is just as spammy, but at least he is willing to openly share his opinion. Today he wants to lynch sinani who is apparently already marked for death and kenpachi for not explaining his role (which he states is not allowed). How can kenpachi be his number one lynch candidate if he hasn't even read through his filter? As far as his opinions, they completely lack resolve. He likes wiggles for mayor, but switches off as soon draz paints him in bad light. He argues that draz is a threat to the town, but doesn't even vote for him in the end. blubbdavid I would be less willing to lynch him than the above two, but I thought he was worth mentioning anyway. On March 19 2012 03:00 blubbdavid wrote: Rule of thumb: blubbdavid posts little or only crap = blubbdavid is town Why are you trying to use anti-town behavior to enforce the idea that you are town? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't done anything but spam the thread? I know you are somewhat competent based on your play in Newbie V, so why have all your posts been a bunch of one liners without sharing your opinions? | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 21 2012 02:58 kitaman27 wrote: In regards to the Black Market, I'd suggest reading through the relevant posts from Insane 2. Each faction had to acquire a certain amount of currency to purchase a game breaking ability. Be careful when giving a certain amount of money to a certain faction. Additionally, does the black market use a quicktopic? As the mafia and sleeper cell leader probably have access, there is no reason for the town to not be able to read what is going on periodically as well. Being able to identify certain posting habits may lead us to their identities. Blazinghand getting shot over Velinath somewhat confuses me. Why is the runner up getting shot, rather than the player who has access to distributing pro-town powers among the members of town? The only reason I can think of Kenpachi having a GMarshal fake claim would be if he is the third party planar dragon. If that is the case, I don't think he should be today's lynch as we already used yesterday to eliminate a third party player. MidnightGladius, why are you claiming vanilla town day one? Was it simply an attempt to be elected? I'll mention my annoyance at the no flip again because I like to complain. Could you explain what you mean here Sbrubbles? Also, who are you suspicious of right now, besides kenpachi? A lot of your focus this game is on mechanics, rather than scum hunting. I'm considering the following people for lynch today: Mr. Wiggles Draz flat out claims that Wiggles has a different alignment as him and Wiggles completely ignores this. I know from my perspective, that if someone tells the thread that I'm scum or third party that I'm going to be refuting the claim 100% and going hard after him. When posting his reasoning for voting, he hardly even references draz's bizzare claim. In fact, at one point, he even starts to back off the lynch: Are you really willing to give a pass to a player who essentially claims they used an item to prove that you are scum? You argue that a kp might be better, but that is one less kp the mafia have to worry about and if no one shoots him or draz survives the hit, then we get to waste another day dealing with him. You buy his rage core claim after he claims to use an investigative item on you making you look bad? In addition, you never suggest an alternative for the lynch. When sharing his few reads that he does provide, he always gives reasons that make a player look good and bad, rather than committing strongly one way or another. The strongest read he does provide is a null read. Rather than openly share his opinion, he has to be questioned. Today he hasn't provided any suggestions for the day two lynch. Bluelightz The cases Bluelightz have provided us are essentially summaries, rather than analysis. He mentions that sinani is lurking, and quotes all three of cwave's posts, but doesn't explain why these things make them scum. In the town games I've read through, he is just as spammy, but at least he is willing to openly share his opinion. Today he wants to lynch sinani who is apparently already marked for death and kenpachi for not explaining his role (which he states is not allowed). How can kenpachi be his number one lynch candidate if he hasn't even read through his filter? As far as his opinions, they completely lack resolve. He likes wiggles for mayor, but switches off as soon draz paints him in bad light. He argues that draz is a threat to the town, but doesn't even vote for him in the end. blubbdavid I would be less willing to lynch him than the above two, but I thought he was worth mentioning anyway. Why are you trying to use anti-town behavior to enforce the idea that you are town? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't done anything but spam the thread? I know you are somewhat competent based on your play in Newbie V, so why have all your posts been a bunch of one liners without sharing your opinions? hey kita! how are things? and a huge post too. lovely. I agree on bluelightz. He is clearly not reading the thread. As he is no (and I emphasize this, because he looks like one) new player. Pushing for K who has already claimed third and for sinani who is dead. That's utter bullshit. I think david's posting differs from what I've seen in kaller and pointed that out earlier. On the other hand, I read a newbie game where he even fakeclaimed DT and played ok...so I don't know what the deal is here. However, I don't agree with your wiggles case. At least not with your reasoning. He basically calls draz "neutral scum survivor" in his post (for whatever reason). Thus, he doesn't feel like being accused of scumness (not third party doesn't rule out town) and your whole reasoning (at least here) crumbles. He could contribute more though. ________________________________________________________________________ More food for thought: all of you guys screaming how scum has 3 KP (C_C, Cwave and Rayzor). you might be right. But I find that quite high. Here's two other things I thought about looking at those kills: a) this might be a massive lurker bane sorta thing, as all of those had less than a page and lurked quite hard. b) they're all lined up in the signup list so maybe burn on and kill the one above and below. ________________________________________________________________________ Sinani is dead, I was just wrong about the timing. NOT A VALID LYNCH _________________________________________________________________________ I am not willing to kill Glados. The kill flavour might indicate that she might kill stuff, but how Veli made a sudden 180° just because one kill might be hers and she is being "sarcastic", creeps me out. Don't want to deal with Wheatley mutated. BTW: How is the blackmarket coming. __________________________________________________________________ Still, I think Dirk is not the best lynch target. I liked a few of his post. And him accusing foolishness seemed genuine and made sense. __________________________________________________________________ Nisani underperforms as hell. Don't like that. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 20 2012 15:38 Adam4167 wrote: JayJay, I have been reading the thread, but not posting. I see no need to contribute to all of the noise that is going on in the thread. I find discussions about the black market, Foolishness' posting restriction, Gracks lemons, the D.Engine, wheatleys theorized shift in win condition to all be irrelevant to me and a distraction to everyone. None of those things help me find scum.1 Lets talk a little bit about Foolishness. He's one of the most renowned, if not the best, scum hunters on TL mafia. His posting habits were strange this game, sure, but lets look at this objectively. If he rolled anything but town, he would still have an incentive to scum-hunt to the best of his ability. All the scum factions want to kill the other scum factions that might shoot their members. The third parties want to look like they're useful/town so they can survive long enough to achieve their win objective. There is simply no good reason not to trust him and kill the people he singled out.2 On that note: I still reaffirm that Dirk looks red to me. His 'scum-hunting' so far has been to wait for someone to call him scum and then retaliate in saying that they must be scum. His case against foolishness is weak to say the least: He has a post restriction (or is feigning it) => we should hang him. His argument that Grack should be held accountable for shooting him is just an attempt to scare Grack away from pulling the trigger. Instead of trying to scare Grack away from shooting you, why don't you prove to Grack that it would be a bad idea by finding some scum. Put up a case, preferably something more tangible then "he's not posting". 3 I am still waiting for that list of reads from Bluelightz. He was able to post in Wherebugsgo's C9++ mini, but never came back here to deliver those reads to us. I do not get the same feel from Bluelightz as I have in previous games with him. He's on my watch list. 4 1 So you read the thread and see that it's misguided (I agree with the setting stuff), but you refuse to improve it. Why? That's not how I got to know you in AC. There, you cared. Here, you don't. 2 You claim to read the threat and then go on to post an analysis on a dead player? Way to go! 3 Actually no, Dirk's post said, that Foolishness hides. And he did. He posted one single read on dirk in this game. That was no strong play and I am still not conviced he was town. But that's not the point. This looks more like pushing a player who has been pushed thousands of times before. I know that you pushed him before, but I don't liked your three line reasoning sheeping foolishness either. 4 Same here. At least you add a point, though. I have a picture of you in my head as a strong player, you were one of the firsts who figured out who toad was in AC. You're smart and you're certainly better thanyou are this game. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
Nobody's bought anything from the black market yet. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote: hey kita! how are things? and a huge post too. lovely. Not bad. I was able to read through everyone's filter, but yours. You have a talent for posting so much that I don't care enough to read what you say, On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote: However, I don't agree with your wiggles case. At least not with your reasoning. He basically calls draz "neutral scum survivor" in his post (for whatever reason). Thus, he doesn't feel like being accused of scumness (not third party doesn't rule out town) and your whole reasoning (at least here) crumbles. He could contribute more though. Do you think Wiggles is town? On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote: all of you guys screaming how scum has 3 KP (C_C, Cwave and Rayzor). you might be right. But I find that quite high. Why? On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote: Still, I think Dirk is not the best lynch target. Who is the best lynch target? On March 21 2012 03:40 Velinath wrote: Nobody's bought anything from the black market yet. Given the opportunity to buy a watcher/medic/whatever role, you decided not to? Why is that? You've used the black market to cover up the fact that you aren't scum hunting. Why aren't you being transparent with you scum reads like you promised when elected? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 21 2012 04:00 kitaman27 wrote: Not bad. I was able to read through everyone's filter, but yours. You have a talent for posting so much that I don't care enough to read what you say, Do you think Wiggles is town? Why? Who is the best lynch target? Given the opportunity to buy a watcher/medic/whatever role, you decided not to? Why is that? You've used the black market to cover up the fact that you aren't scum hunting. Why aren't you being transparent with you scum reads like you promised when elected? You should read it, it's good. Are you accusing me of having not enough content? I didn't post that to say he's town, I just didn't like your case, because it was based on the fact how he reacted when being accused scum, which he didn't. When I read it, I didn't think of a scum accuse, either. Look how he stressed "not the same party as me" instead of "not town". That was obvious and you probably could have seen that. I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets. 3KP regular is too high, because I don't think 7 persons per day are gonna die (not including my vig shot), when there are win conditions out there involving destabilization code 5, which I assume is day 5. I may be wrong here though. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 21 2012 04:22 Nisani201 wrote: Why am I a reasonable target? because you only got three posts with more than one line. You contributed shit and never even gave a single | ||
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