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layabout
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This game is getting progressively less fun. | ||
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Bill Murray
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DoctorHelvetica
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On March 27 2012 06:08 layabout wrote: Doc, why don't you tell us what you would like to do today? Would you like to comment on the pile of bodies that told us to lynch you? What do you want me to say about the night hits? I had no part in it so I can only assume they're using hits to push mislynches or are blue sniping. Jaybrundage is who we should lynch today. I believe that he was the traitor and was recruited some point around Cycle 2 or 3. Mafia will be careful with their buses until they pick up the traitor. An early bus without traitor means that scum lose their ability to use a .5 power and 2 hits. It makes sense that they would bus after picking up the traitor. The sharp turnaround in the playstyle of Jaybrundage is what makes me suspect him. After a scummy and wishywashy Day 1 he turns around and acts very brash and confident, asks for roleclaims, etc. He also tried pretty hard to get himself further town cred off the Kurumi lynch which I still think was a bus. If it was not a bus, the scum team was very very stupid to think that the town would buy Kurumi's claim and they also had no real reason to stop Jackal from getting lynched other than the hopes that he might shoot a town player at some point later in the game. Seeing as he had threatened Caller before, I think that's pretty unlikely. Look who tried to get the cred off of that lynch, look who used it to set himself up for the rest of the game. Hint - it wasn't me. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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layabout
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On March 27 2012 06:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What do you want me to say about the night hits? I had no part in it so I can only assume they're using hits to push mislynches or are blue sniping. Jaybrundage is who we should lynch today. I believe that he was the traitor and was recruited some point around Cycle 2 or 3. Mafia will be careful with their buses until they pick up the traitor. An early bus without traitor means that scum lose their ability to use a .5 power and 2 hits. It makes sense that they would bus after picking up the traitor. The sharp turnaround in the playstyle of Jaybrundage is what makes me suspect him. After a scummy and wishywashy Day 1 he turns around and acts very brash and confident, asks for roleclaims, etc. He also tried pretty hard to get himself further town cred off the Kurumi lynch which I still think was a bus. If it was not a bus, the scum team was very very stupid to think that the town would buy Kurumi's claim and they also had no real reason to stop Jackal from getting lynched other than the hopes that he might shoot a town player at some point later in the game. Seeing as he had threatened Caller before, I think that's pretty unlikely. Look who tried to get the cred off of that lynch, look who used it to set himself up for the rest of the game. Hint - it wasn't me. You are not going to convince anybody with that. If a scumteam had just picked up another member, (giving themselves 2.5 KP) why would they immediately bus? If there is a mislynch then 1 townie dies to the lynch and they can then carry out 3 hits or 1 or 2 hits and more actions, but by bussing they gain some day2 town cred which will not last long they lose a member and a kill and/or actions during the night. Also if you look at the vote count for the Kurumi lynch: On March 11 2012 13:25 ZBot wrote: Day 2 Vote Count With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch Current votes: Kurumi (11): jaybrundage, DoctorHelvetica, Curu, deconduo, Jitsu, Abenson, Palmar (2): Jackal58, Caller Bill Murray (2): Abenson (1): Kurumi Mattchew (1): Bill Murray DoctorHelvetica (1): Katina jaybrundage (0): Jackal58 (0): Caller (0): prplhz (0): Not voting: rgTheSchworz, prplhz The Day deadline is at 2012-03-16 12:00:00. (It's over.) We can see that the everyone on the lynch to flip so far has been green. You are suggesting that the first person on Kurumi (jaybrundage) was scum bussing him. Many of those votes came quite late and the no-lynch nearly happened. Scum were not forced to bus. But you are telling us to lynch jaybrundage because you believe that mafia bussed even though it would have been unnecessary and to their detriment. | ||
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layabout
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On March 27 2012 06:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Consider also the only person to push a case on me with genuine analysis was Katina who survived. Sandroba's death is irrelevant in regards to me because I have no way of knowing his private conversations with Curu, he never expressed this sentiment in the thread and tbh from what Curu posted it seems like he wasn't even really that sure about it. Since players expressed a wish to lynch Katina it makes sense that Katina survived, since katina is either scum (who scum would prefer to remain alive) or a potential mislynch target (who it scum would prefer to remain alive). | ||
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layabout
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From: Bill Murray Subject: Re: JubJub Mafia Date: 3/27/12 06:36 if someone had a guilty on echelontee, and i knew deconduo was this person's counterclaim theoretically, given the setup, deconduo would be mafia, right? From: Bill Murray [ 5219 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: JubJub Mafia Date: 3/27/12 06:36 i don't mind if you share anything i don't really trust you enough to share anything with you | ||
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EchelonTee
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layabout
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I suppose there is this... + Show Spoiler + To: Bill Murray [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: JubJub Mafia Date: 3/26/12 08:51 logs with Katina: [25/03/2012 03:27:48] Summer Barnes: One day we will be on at the same time! [00:16:10] No name: i will have to sleep soon [00:16:30] No name: but i might as well dump some thoughts and let you think about them [00:16:40] Summer Barnes: okay [00:16:56] No name: I think that Dr.H has been unusually confident thins game [00:17:21] No name: he has not second geussed himself (openly) very much and that seems strange [00:17:58] No name: he was very confident when telling people to vote for Kurumi and when he opposed the Abension lynch [00:18:51] No name: scum would have known that he was right when he posted [00:19:05] No name: but as town the calls were not so easy to make [00:19:38] No name: Echelon Tee made this post a while back [00:20:10] No name: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13993762 [00:20:55] Summer Barnes: what about that post? [00:21:43] No name: he made it the night after the caller lynch [00:22:10] No name: and we have gone on to lynch both of those players and they flipped town [00:22:37] Summer Barnes: do you think hes mafia then? [00:22:52] No name: Wiggles did [00:23:03] No name: i think i do [00:23:16] No name: he has also avoided talking about DR.H [00:23:22] Summer Barnes: you think? lol [00:23:32] Summer Barnes: is that true? [00:23:50] No name: is what true? [00:24:02] Summer Barnes: he has avoided drh? [00:24:03] No name: he only mentions him at the end of the day [00:24:13] No name: when he mentions that sandro pushed wiggels more [00:25:36] Summer Barnes: do you think deconduo is mafia? [00:26:00] No name: it's possible [00:26:10] No name: but i am working on the assumtion that he is town [00:26:41] No name: have you read his Pm logs with wiggles? [00:27:03] Summer Barnes: if you think that then who's the last mafia [00:28:07] No name: at the moment mafia team is something like ET DrH and BM/Sent [00:28:33] No name: The main problem is that everybody has been so inactive [00:28:50] Summer Barnes: BM should die either tonight or tomorrow if hes town [00:28:54] No name: including me [00:29:09] No name: that mafia can easily get away with not posting [00:29:13] Summer Barnes: mafia will shoot him cause he's confirmed [00:29:40] No name: and the thread has come to a standstill [00:30:07] No name: nobody is put under any real pressure [00:30:36] No name: so most of my reads have been the same for like a week [00:31:12] No name: and the ones that have died were town reads anyway [00:31:50] No name: it's pretty likely that there is at least 1 mafia player that is doing nothing [00:35:58] No name: have you read through dead players filters? [00:36:39] Summer Barnes: no not entirely [00:36:55] Summer Barnes: and sorry my internet gets funky at times [00:37:52] No name: it's fine [00:38:01] No name: what do you make of jaybrundage? [00:38:25] Summer Barnes: what I said in my most recent post [00:38:35] Summer Barnes: pretty sure hes a big jubjub [00:38:40] Summer Barnes: but at the same time [00:38:53] Summer Barnes: he hasnt done anything [00:39:13] No name: what do you make of his case? [00:39:25] No name: since he has one now [00:40:43] No name: damn funky internet... [00:42:49] No name: you there? [00:44:18] Summer Barnes: yes [00:44:39] Summer Barnes: only took him like a week to get that case out -_- [00:45:44] No name: i don't think either of us have been active enough to be able to make such a criticism [00:46:50] No name: so jay... [00:47:40] No name: like i really need to go [00:47:47] No name: answer! To: Bill Murray [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: JubJub Mafia Date: 3/26/12 09:08 rest of it [00:45:44] No name: i don't think either of us have been active enough to be able to make such a criticism [00:46:50] No name: so jay... [00:47:40] No name: like i really need to go [00:47:47] No name: answer! [00:56:19] Summer Barnes: so demanding! [00:56:31] Summer Barnes: drh is going to die tomorrow [00:56:35] Summer Barnes: we can work the rest from there [00:56:38] Summer Barnes: what's clear is that jay needs to be looked at a lot [00:56:53] Summer Barnes: and if BM doesn't die soon that's a big problem [00:57:30] No name: scum are not going to kill anybody they think might get lynched [00:57:43] No name: so Bm will hang around [00:57:55] Summer Barnes: BM got checked though [00:57:59] Summer Barnes: and most everyone believes it [00:58:09] Summer Barnes: also based on what you say than \echelontee is suspicious [00:58:48] No name: he also looks bad here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13938569 [00:59:11] No name: because even though somebody could have thought that kurumi might be town [01:00:00] No name: lynching him was overwhelmingly the best option town had [01:00:13] No name: and he flipped scum which was good [01:00:21] Summer Barnes: yeah [01:00:51] No name: so having dodged my question on Jay would you care to give me your read on CURu? [01:01:05] Summer Barnes: err what question? [01:01:14] Summer Barnes: I didn't see any question, might be my internet [01:01:28] Summer Barnes: when you asked I said refer to my recent in game post [01:01:40] No name: [00:37] No name: <<< it's fine what do you make of jaybrundage? [01:01:42] No name: [00:39] No name: <<< what do you make of his case? since he has one now [01:01:47] Summer Barnes: that he seems like big jubjub but he hasn't done anything [01:02:50] No name: maybe you should respond to it in the thread? [01:02:57] No name: before the daypost [01:04:22] Summer Barnes: oh I haven't looked recently [01:04:26] No name: your internet is indeed dodgy.. [01:04:31] Summer Barnes: but still only took him a week -_- [01:04:53] No name: right i really have to go now [01:04:59] Summer Barnes: okay you do that [01:05:01] No name: i am going to try to post more [01:05:02] Summer Barnes: hopefully we will talk more [01:05:07] Summer Barnes: yes [01:05:12] No name: and if you are town then you need to do the same [01:05:21] No name: ecause with the current atmosphere [01:05:24] Summer Barnes: don't worry about me [01:05:29] No name: scum have the win [01:05:56] No name: and if you are town people need to know who you think the scum are [01:06:18] Summer Barnes: I've been clear the entire game on who I think is mafia [01:06:26] Summer Barnes: but you could stand to do that [01:06:31] Summer Barnes: so I guess we both need to work on this lol [01:07:00] No name: gnight + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Bill Murray: if someone had a guilty on echelontee, and i knew deconduo was this person's counterclaim theoretically, given the setup, deconduo would be mafia, right? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
If you disagree please explain why you think Dr.H is not the best lynch and who it is that you think we should lynch instead accompanied with a full explanation. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I'm not saying that scum should immediately bus after picking up traitor, I just don't think they would bus before traitor. If you have any arguments not based on what scum would/wouldn't do or the fact that I PM'd Kurumi I'd love to hear them. Again, Katina is the only one who provided any logical reason to vote for me at all. | ||
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EchelonTee
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putting my case on katina tonight | ||
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Katina
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##Vote DoctorHelvetica | ||
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Katina
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DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up. | ||
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layabout
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DoctorHelvetica
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On March 28 2012 01:53 Katina wrote: DrH only has two votes at the moment? We need the votes on him to start coming in. DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up. I wasn't busy around the first two cycles. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 28 2012 03:09 layabout wrote: Dr.H when you realised that we were likely at lylo what did you resolve to do to ensure town's victory? Question is meaningless. The amount of effort I put into the game based on personal factors is not indicative of anything besides how busy I am or are not. Anyway, this is why I believe JB is scum or the traitor. There is a sharp change in his behavior. He begins the game with a very soft stance on LaL. When he comes under fire for what he's talking about, he pulls back a little bit. There is also this gem which is typical of scum "We are unlikely to get a mafia day one So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him." TRANSLATION : When lurkers are lynched on the basis of being bad or just lurkers, it's very easy for scum to decide which lurkers are lynched. All they have to do, for example, is say "Hey, let's kill Abenson for lurking" instead of scum lurker Y and when it gets into late game they can swing each lynch where they want it. The problem with killing lurkers fast is that the best does not lead to lurker lynches, only the loudest voice does. On March 12 2012 09:01 jaybrundage wrote: Responding to Layabout There's nothing wrong with putting a vote out there just for the hell of it. I dont like Rg playstyle (lying like 6 times as town) He even expressed he lied alot as town so he could get away with lying alot as mafia. We are unlikely to get a mafia day one So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him. I was mostly fishing for reactions. Didn't get to many sadly I say i do agree with lynching liars and Lurkers. However i suggest we use them as guidelines. TL towns dont lynch liars often enough and pushing lurkers to talk and contribute forces mafia to contribute. And in the process mess up Sharing PMs or not Sharing PMs both have pros and cons. To act like one is simply pro mafia is dumb. I think they both are viable ways to proceed. Also I put the list of players out. To try to elicit responses from them. I dont want to lost because half our player base isn't contirbuted it doesn't matter if they town or mafia. A town that contributes is a good town. (not spam tho) I want the lurkers to come out T_T I dont know about the jackal lynch we could of found a scum. Ill have to go over him. I dont know his meta to well tbh tho. This players have not posted in the thread yet. And i suggest we lynch one of them. Katina VisceraEyes Node [Uon]Sentinel Pandain RgTheSchoworz Curu The part in bold is what worries me the most. Lynch lists are beyond useless, I remember going off on VE for pages about his in Storm which got him so upset he almost quit so I won't beat a dead horse, but I still think it's scummier than not. This post was so early in the game that calling out a lurker is worthless, not only that, he's suggesting we already lynch one of these players just for not posting early into the day. On March 12 2012 15:18 jaybrundage wrote: Doc I understand where you coming from. I am not scumhunting. I honestly don't do well day 1. And i as you dont feel confident in my reads to push anything atm. I still think the jackal lynch makes sense even if mostly based on meta. I also think that our lurkers need to speak up a bit more. Apologetic and wishy washy. This changes very fast. On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote: Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party) Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o. Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers. Lots of posts like this. He's really just summarizing what's happening and adding useless comments. On March 15 2012 08:01 jaybrundage wrote: Hey Doc are you scum? You should PM and tell me your role Newfound confidence occurs after he goes after Kurumi. JB calling out Kurumi is what sparked his claim, this does not indicate that JB was town or anything. If this confirms JB to anyone then it must also confirm me because I pushed the case equally hard and voted for Kurumi as well. Don't have a double standard now. As a rule, I'm much less interested in who defends who than just who acts like scum. I'll second guess myself into a corner otherwise. I never tried to play this lynch for town cred or to "confirm" myself and then fish role claims out of people. Are you kidding me? JB gets away with that? On March 16 2012 13:49 jaybrundage wrote: Doc I started the Kurumi lynch are you kidding me? At this point i should be confirmed town. I was the first to try to lynch kurumi. ROfl if you think im scum im dont knwo what to say On March 16 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote: WAIT how is Palmar getting cred for the lynch i pushed. This doesnt make any sense. You guys are delusional. You are assuming Palmar is town based on nothing. He hasn't dont shit this game. Besides kill two townies. Saying Palmar is confirmed town is pretty retarded. He's not He needs to start pushing good lynches and start doing work as town. DocH i think your town because you were pushing the Kurumi lynch with me. But your not making sense. Cant a get a single townie that can be transparent. I want to lynch Katina next. She was trying to kill node. who was green. And then she tried to get people to look at cases and not lynch Kurumi. If people think im scum rofl moslty you DocH you think im scum for what reason. Starting a lynch on a scum? Post a case on me. This case will probably determine to me if your scum or not. So please put some work in it. Look at JB's logic here. This is the only post that makes me think "bad townie". He seems to genuinely view the game this way: Town - Only bandwagon or vote for scum. Never vote for a town aligned player. Scum - Only bandwagon or vote for town. If you vote for scum you're town, if you vote for town you're scum. Katina is scum for pushing Node when a lot of people suspected him? And me and JB are town because we got Kurumi lynched who was scum? Sorry, that's not how mafia works. On March 16 2012 16:46 jaybrundage wrote: First off I'm not begging for town cred. I'm demanding it. I did push Kurumi. But don't worry hopefully I'll get another scum tomorrow. Speaking of scum your looking pretty scummy there buddy. Want to go on the docket? Lets see didnt vote for Kurumi check. Trying to discredit a townie check. Let me ask you think ET do you think Katina is scummy and why. Im assuming your answer is going to be no because you know your her scum buddy. And um yea thats about it :D Trying to discredit a townie? Again, more making cases based on the assumption that he is confirmed. Unbelievable. JB continues down this path. I believe JB was the traitor, probably rolechecked by scum Night 1 which explains his behavior coming out on Day 2. If Kurumi wasn't a planned bus, it could be a sloppy bus. I was sloppily bussed in HP Mafia and did a sloppy bus on LSB in that game too iirc. Basically, one player says "I'm just gonna bus Kurumi" but the rest of the scum don't go along with it, maybe some do or some don't, or see a chance to make mislynch/nolynch happen near the end and fuck with the vote. It could be any number of reasons. There is no denying JB had a sharp change of attitude from wishy washy/apologetic and only commentating on nothings/policies to brash, aggressive, confident, arrogant even pushing people and trying to force everyone to think he's confirmed based on nothing more than the fact that he posted a case on someone who was scum. Something I also did. Twice. If you think JB is town and I'm not JUST because I was busy and rude for a little bit (not too strange for me, I've almost been modkilled for rudeness and flaming as town before) and the fact that I PM'd Kurumi because I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM AND THEN PUSHED HIS LYNCH DAY 2 you are a jubjub. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
If you lynch me, it's game over. Look how JB has twisted the game to try to make himself the center of town and attention although he has failed miserably. Palmar got the town circled around him and JB tries to discredit him over and over. Scum. Scum. Scum. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Apparently people weren't satisfied with that I am green checked, and it is LYLO, so you all need to vote with me If I'm voting you, and you're town, you better appeal to me My vote as of right now is going onto Katina She just contradicted herself - twice 1) Katina attacks dr.H for muddying the waters in relation to my confirmation. Katina then attacks me in PMs to layabout. That's a snake in the grass if I've ever seen one, trying to keep out of the public eye 2) Katina attacks Dr.H for making excuses in relation to the time they have in the thread, after literally just doing so: On March 27 2012 14:01 Katina wrote: Sorry, life kicked in today. and then attacks dr.h? I feel like scum pushed 2 mislynched yesterday, and they're just happy trying to ride this one as a counterwagon If Deconduo doesn't come off this lynch, I'm probably going to have to resignedly hop back onto it, as I'm 100% sure he is town at this point... if it's dr.h/layabout/echelon hats off to you gentlemen, but I'm just not buying dr.h as scum he has been pushed way too much all game, and still being pushed in LYLO? feels like a mislynch ##vote: katina | ||
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