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On March 28 2012 04:32 Bill Murray wrote:I already tried to lynch DoctorH Apparently people weren't satisfied with that I am green checked, and it is LYLO, so you all need to vote with me If I'm voting you, and you're town, you better appeal to me My vote as of right now is going onto Katina She just contradicted herself - twice 1) Katina attacks dr.H for muddying the waters in relation to my confirmation. Katina then attacks me in PMs to layabout. That's a snake in the grass if I've ever seen one, trying to keep out of the public eye 2) Katina attacks Dr.H for making excuses in relation to the time they have in the thread, after literally just doing so: and then attacks dr.h? I feel like scum pushed 2 mislynched yesterday, and they're just happy trying to ride this one as a counterwagon If Deconduo doesn't come off this lynch, I'm probably going to have to resignedly hop back onto it, as I'm 100% sure he is town at this point... if it's dr.h/layabout/echelon hats off to you gentlemen, but I'm just not buying dr.h as scum he has been pushed way too much all game, and still being pushed in LYLO? feels like a mislynch ##vote: katina
I trust your reads more than mine. I also agree that its suspicious that no one has defended Dr, H at all this game.
##Unvote
##Vote Katina
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On March 28 2012 03:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 28 2012 03:09 layabout wrote:
Dr.H when you realised that we were likely at lylo what did you resolve to do to ensure town's victory?
Question is meaningless. The amount of effort I put into the game based on personal factors is not indicative of anything besides how busy I am or are not.
Anyway, this is why I believe JB is scum or the traitor. There is a sharp change in his behavior. He begins the game with a very soft stance on LaL. When he comes under fire for what he's talking about, he pulls back a little bit. There is also this gem which is typical of scum "We are unlikely to get a mafia day one
So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him." TRANSLATION : When lurkers are lynched on the basis of being bad or just lurkers, it's very easy for scum to decide which lurkers are lynched. All they have to do, for example, is say "Hey, let's kill Abenson for lurking" instead of scum lurker Y and when it gets into late game they can swing each lynch where they want it. The problem with killing lurkers fast is that the best does not lead to lurker lynches, only the loudest voice does.
On March 12 2012 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Responding to Layabout
There's nothing wrong with putting a vote out there just for the hell of it.
I dont like Rg playstyle (lying like 6 times as town) He even expressed he lied alot
as town so he could get away with lying alot as mafia. We are unlikely to get a mafia day one
So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him. I was mostly fishing for reactions. Didn't get to many sadly
I say i do agree with lynching liars and Lurkers. However i suggest we use them as guidelines. TL towns dont lynch liars often enough and pushing lurkers to talk and contribute forces mafia to contribute. And in the process mess up
Sharing PMs or not Sharing PMs both have pros and cons. To act like one is simply pro mafia is dumb. I think they both are viable ways to proceed.
Also I put the list of players out. To try to elicit responses from them. I dont want to lost because half our player base isn't contirbuted it doesn't matter if they town or mafia. A town that contributes is a good town. (not spam tho)
I want the lurkers to come out T_T
I dont know about the jackal lynch we could of found a scum. Ill have to go over him. I dont know his meta to well tbh tho.
This players have not posted in the thread yet. And i suggest we lynch one of them.
Katina
VisceraEyes
Node
[Uon]Sentinel
Pandain
RgTheSchoworz
Curu
The part in bold is what worries me the most. Lynch lists are beyond useless, I remember going off on VE for pages about his in Storm which got him so upset he almost quit so I won't beat a dead horse, but I still think it's scummier than not. This post was so early in the game that calling out a lurker is worthless, not only that, he's suggesting we already lynch one of these players just for not posting early into the day.
On March 12 2012 15:18 jaybrundage wrote:
Doc I understand where you coming from. I am not scumhunting. I honestly don't do well day 1.
And i as you dont feel confident in my reads to push anything atm. I still think the jackal lynch makes sense even if mostly based on meta. I also think that our lurkers need to speak up a bit more.
Apologetic and wishy washy. This changes very fast.
On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD
Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party)
Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o.
Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers.
Lots of posts like this. He's really just summarizing what's happening and adding useless comments.
On March 15 2012 08:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey Doc are you scum?
You should PM and tell me your role
Newfound confidence occurs after he goes after Kurumi. JB calling out Kurumi is what sparked his claim, this does not indicate that JB was town or anything. If this confirms JB to anyone then it must also confirm me because I pushed the case equally hard and voted for Kurumi as well. Don't have a double standard now. As a rule, I'm much less interested in who defends who than just who acts like scum. I'll second guess myself into a corner otherwise.
I never tried to play this lynch for town cred or to "confirm" myself and then fish role claims out of people. Are you kidding me? JB gets away with that?
On March 16 2012 13:49 jaybrundage wrote:
Doc I started the Kurumi lynch are you kidding me?
At this point i should be confirmed town. I was the first to try to lynch kurumi.
ROfl if you think im scum im dont knwo what to say
On March 16 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote:
WAIT how is Palmar getting cred for the lynch i pushed. This doesnt make any sense. You guys are delusional. You are assuming Palmar is town based on nothing. He hasn't dont shit this game. Besides kill two townies.
Saying Palmar is confirmed town is pretty retarded. He's not He needs to start pushing good lynches and start doing work as town.
DocH i think your town because you were pushing the Kurumi lynch with me. But your not making sense.
Cant a get a single townie that can be transparent.
I want to lynch Katina next. She was trying to kill node. who was green. And then she tried to get people to look at cases and not lynch Kurumi.
If people think im scum rofl moslty you DocH you think im scum for what reason. Starting a lynch on a scum?
Post a case on me. This case will probably determine to me if your scum or not. So please put some work in it.
Look at JB's logic here. This is the only post that makes me think "bad townie". He seems to genuinely view the game this way:
Town - Only bandwagon or vote for scum. Never vote for a town aligned player.
Scum - Only bandwagon or vote for town. If you vote for scum you're town, if you vote for town you're scum.
Katina is scum for pushing Node when a lot of people suspected him? And me and JB are town because we got Kurumi lynched who was scum? Sorry, that's not how mafia works.
On March 16 2012 16:46 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 14:43 EchelonTee wrote:On March 16 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote:
WAIT how is Palmar getting cred for 1. the lynch i pushed. This doesnt make any sense. You guys are delusional. You are assuming Palmar is town based on nothing. He hasn't dont shit this game. Besides kill two townies.
Saying Palmar is confirmed town is pretty retarded. He's not He needs to start pushing good lynches and start doing work as town.
DocH i think your town because you were pushing the Kurumi lynch with me. But your not making sense.
Cant a get a single townie that can be transparent.
I want to lynch Katina next. 2. She was trying to kill node. who was green. And then she tried to get people to look at cases and not lynch Kurumi.
If people think im scum rofl moslty you DocH you think im scum for what reason. Starting a lynch on a scum?
Post a case on me. This case will probably determine to me if your scum or not. 3. So please put some work in it. 1. no you didn't push that. several other people put cases on him, u just accused him of being traitor once. begging for cred? 2. I wanted to kill node too, who was green. that make me scum? Jackal wanted to kill node too. that make him scum? oh wait. 3. hypocrisy~ First off I'm not begging for town cred. I'm demanding it. I did push Kurumi. But don't worry hopefully I'll get another scum tomorrow. Speaking of scum your looking pretty scummy there buddy. Want to go on the docket? Lets see didnt vote for Kurumi check. Trying to discredit a townie check. Let me ask you think ET do you think Katina is scummy and why. Im assuming your answer is going to be no because you know your her scum buddy. And um yea thats about it :D
Trying to discredit a townie? Again, more making cases based on the assumption that he is confirmed. Unbelievable.
JB continues down this path. I believe JB was the traitor, probably rolechecked by scum Night 1 which explains his behavior coming out on Day 2. If Kurumi wasn't a planned bus, it could be a sloppy bus. I was sloppily bussed in HP Mafia and did a sloppy bus on LSB in that game too iirc. Basically, one player says "I'm just gonna bus Kurumi" but the rest of the scum don't go along with it, maybe some do or some don't, or see a chance to make mislynch/nolynch happen near the end and fuck with the vote. It could be any number of reasons.
There is no denying JB had a sharp change of attitude from wishy washy/apologetic and only commentating on nothings/policies to brash, aggressive, confident, arrogant even pushing people and trying to force everyone to think he's confirmed based on nothing more than the fact that he posted a case on someone who was scum. Something I also did. Twice. If you think JB is town and I'm not JUST because I was busy and rude for a little bit (not too strange for me, I've almost been modkilled for rudeness and flaming as town before) and the fact that I PM'd Kurumi because I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM AND THEN PUSHED HIS LYNCH DAY 2 you are a jubjub.jay is scum because: 1 On day1 he pushed a lurker lynch but backed off when pressured 2 He posted a list of lurkers to kill all of which have flipped town so far 3 Summary posts and wishy-washy posts on day1 4 He gains confidence when going after Kurumi 5 He asks for town cred after the Kurumi lynch 6 He is trying to discredit EchelonTee the townie 7 His change of tone makes you think that he was the traitor and that he was recruited night 1
Have i missed any key points?
Points 1, 2 (sortof) and 3 were all made on day1
I remember saying that we should lynch him after Caller asked me to make a case http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13886499
4 being confident when trying to push/start a lynch is not scummy in of itself
5 you say makes you think that he is a bad townie
6 Implies that you (DocH) know that EchelonTee is town, how would you know that i wonder....
If you are talking about Palmar then you should consider that Jay was correct in pointing out that it would be risky to assume that Palmar was town based upon him hammering, given that he had helped killed two townies already
7 Is the crux of your argument and i don't buy it.
You are telling us to lynch Jaybrundage because you believe that he is the traitor, that scum check him night 1 and recruited him, that he then bussed Kurumi for town cred alone because scum were uncoordinated.
This seems to be somewhere in between convoluted and desperate.
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Deconduo can you please explain your thoughts behind switching off of Dr.H again?
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No, my point 6 was not that EchelonTee is town but that Jaybrundage is arguing from the false position that he is confirmed. He is paranoid and sees any disagreeance with him as either (in my case) "tunneling confirmed town" or "discrediting a townie". If JB is town, these are things that scum and town do in equal parts.
Scum argue with scum and town and town argue with scum and town. Scum lynch scum and town and town lynch scum and town. That's the reality of the game. JB is in complete ignorance of that because he obsessed over this idea of himself being confirmed. I don't think a town player would be dense enough to really believe that or push himself that far into town center territory based off a single lynch.
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If you look at the way JB is playing this game it's that his game is geared toward appearing as though he is town. He tried to get people claiming to him before Kurumi flipped as though he knew Kurumi would just flip red and hope that he would get all the information that Palmar had before he died? That's just speculation but I think that's the sort of play scum were going for. They can sack someone after getting the traitor and still maintain the KP/One Power a night.
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On March 28 2012 01:53 Katina wrote:
DrH only has two votes at the moment? We need the votes on him to start coming in.
DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up.
I don't think anybody has been contributing enough for you to call Dr.H scummy for not contributing.
I get the impression that Katina has been somewhat scared to post all game and has avoided giving us her reads.
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my thoughts on
Katina
Examining her reason to not vote Kurumi brings up something gold:
On March 16 2012 02:58 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 02:27 layabout wrote:
Can somebody be a dear an explain why they are so certain that Kurumi is mafia? Kurumi isn't mafia. He is not just speaking nonsense and flooding the thread even though his plan backfired and caused a major distraction. And in between all of the pokemon crap he was actively speaking his mind. You can tell he is not mafia becaunse his posting has been entirely consistent from day 1. He has not been flip flopping or doing any other tell-tale signs of mafia. ]
The key behind Katina thinking Kurumi was town, and also the reasoning she uses to proclaim her town status, is that being "consistent" is a town tell. She states that again in her PM with layabout: + Show Spoiler +[01:06:18] Summer Barnes: I've been clear the entire game on who I think is mafia
[01:06:26] Summer Barnes: but you could stand to do that
Aside from the fact that Kurumi's flip shows that "remaining consistent" isn't a town tell, overall this concept is highly deceptive. Being logical and reasonable throughout a game is an indicator of being town, but as town, it's impossible and frankly incorrect to remain rigid to your stances. Games change over time, and being unyielding is either plain ignorance or willful deception.
As mafia, holding fast to some stance and sticking with it obstinately is essentially a free pass. You don't have to comment on relevant cases ("I disagree, I already stated my suspicion"), you deny responsibility for failures ("I stated why I thought he wasn't scum, that's that"), you don't even have to post!
Examples of this concept:
Palmar initially thought Caller was town. His opinion changed.
Deconduo initially thought DrH was talking sense. He now thinks DrH is scum
I thought that Jitsu was scum. Filter me and look at my case; but do I talk about Jitsu at all after that day? No! Why? I changed my mind! I pressured Jitsu hard, and he responded well, so I backed off and realized he was likely town. This is how you remain transparent; you pressure your suspects and judge them.
Katina has not considered any other viewpoints but her own all game; this shows a distinct lack of consideration for the thread happenings, and laughably enough removes her accountability from thread goings on.
The prplhz WIFOM:
This is obviously a less concrete arguement, but as briefly mentioned, prplhz was a medic. Mattchew previously thought Katina was townie, b/c of the fact that she knew prplhz' role and prplhz still lived, but then prplhz died a random death. At the time prplhz was shot, he didn't have much thread presence, and at the same time no one had explicitly or implicitly outted him as a medic in thread. It's possible Mafia shot him for some other reason, but it's pretty likely that Mafia knew he was medic (through Katina) and sniped him.
Contradictions of Katina that make her look scummy:
1.says that DrH is scummy for bashing other people constantly
examples of Katina bashing people for loose reasons:
1 2 3
2.calls out people for not contributing enough
Katina has less posts/content than VE, a dood that died N1. Says she'll talk more in pms with layabout, doesn't.
3.states that she has been open about her reads
never said why she thought abenson/wiggles were Mafia. she is quite intransparent in PMs.
All in all I am most sure of Katina being mafia. she has put on the veil of contribution without actually doing anything all game, and her logic breaks down under inspection.
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I'm fairly certain from the way Katina has gone after me that she is just a bad townie.
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maybe i was wrong about jaybundrage after all
I have a huge townread on deconduo, why would scum have a pm checker? he's confirmably a pm checker, or so he claims, and if he has fooled me a third time then I'm going to become his personal fan - Flavor Cop
layabout just towntold to me in pm, saying that if there is a mislynch, that it will be him. Notice the language? a mislynch. That's really town. I'm upset with him that he has been playing for the hammer so much, but I have to be logical here. Why would I be upset with him? Because he's on my side - Townie
DoctorH is trying his ass off, still, after the pressure switched onto katina, to get jaybundrage lynched? Why? Because it's lylo. He is putting his personal life into this game more than he should, and needs to drop the caveman game, but he is a class act as an individual, and I will always support him. I am so very surprised that he wasn't lynched yesterday, the day before, or the day before that in relation to the Kurumi lynch. He has been slaving away, always stating his reads, and stifling over the thread - Townie
That's what made me not vote for him. I have this weird feeling in the back of my mind he isn't what we think he is. I thought, what if the mafia pushed not one mislynch, but two?
Layabout spoke out against it. Sentinel wanted to push Wiggles, Deconduo, whoever...
Sentinel was town, so is layabout. The people on it, because me and deconduo, was the 3rd voter - Katina.
Katina is scum. She has been actively lurking, and playing in PM land. That is what scum do. They don't want to contribute until pressured.
Jaybundrage was a little trickier. He is not doing what I expected, but I guess scum don't always have to be intelligent. He gets wrote off a lot because of that, yet he is still crafty, for he deceived me. I am not really that strong on this read.
Echelon, ah, Echelon. From your very first post...
literally
the same as Caller
I expected you to flip scum
DoctorH looked terrible today, but he's still pushing, so this is making more sense to me
Scum are: Katina/EchelonTee/Jaybundrage
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wow maybe i was wrong about echelon
if we're all happy with katina, all of a sudden, that makes no sense
dr.h is defending her as a townie too
Scum are bussing
plain and simple
let's not unvote this
there is no other logical explanation
let's let it be where there are no ties
though we know katina is going to flip red
i don't mind. It lowers their kill power to 1, so it will be 3:2 tomorrow, with more analysis.
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@Echelon
when you said
"Being logical and reasonable throughout a game is an indicator of being town, but as town, it's impossible and frankly incorrect to remain rigid to your stances."
You say this, but is it not easier for scum to make up reasons? How is this indicative of someone being town at all?
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On March 27 2012 11:09 EchelonTee wrote:
layabout, you realize in your pm conversation with katina, you go on at length about your reads and you reasoning (which revolve around me being scum, why aren't u pushing me then ...?), while katina just nods along and says "town needs to talk more mmhmm". where is she now?
putting my case on katina tonight
I felt that Dr.H should be the focus for today.
After that pm talk katina being scum became a lot more plausible.
If Katina is scum then I think it's highly unlikely that Dr.h is also scum, since half of Katina's week worth of (7) posts have been about Dr.H being scum and because of the timing of Katina's case on Dr.h.
I asked Katina to post more today and Katina has not 
When Katina is posting like this + Show Spoiler +On March 28 2012 01:53 Katina wrote:
DrH only has two votes at the moment? We need the votes on him to start coming in.
DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up.
+ Show Spoiler +
Good night and Good luck.
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Keep the vote guys. I'm going to mow the lawn, and go out to eat with a friend.
I have been thinking about this, and I am very happy and content with this lynch.
Katina has been caught lying and being hypocritical.
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On March 28 2012 04:32 Bill Murray wrote:I already tried to lynch DoctorH Apparently people weren't satisfied with that I am green checked, and it is LYLO, so you all need to vote with me If I'm voting you, and you're town, you better appeal to me My vote as of right now is going onto Katina She just contradicted herself - twice 1) Katina attacks dr.H for muddying the waters in relation to my confirmation. Katina then attacks me in PMs to layabout. That's a snake in the grass if I've ever seen one, trying to keep out of the public eye 2) Katina attacks Dr.H for making excuses in relation to the time they have in the thread, after literally just doing so: and then attacks dr.h? I feel like scum pushed 2 mislynched yesterday, and they're just happy trying to ride this one as a counterwagon If Deconduo doesn't come off this lynch, I'm probably going to have to resignedly hop back onto it, as I'm 100% sure he is town at this point... if it's dr.h/layabout/echelon hats off to you gentlemen, but I'm just not buying dr.h as scum he has been pushed way too much all game, and still being pushed in LYLO? feels like a mislynch ##vote: katina
1. DrH did mud the waters in relation to your confirmation. If you are confirmed town why haven't the mafia killed you yet? I didn't attack you in pm and I don't want to kill you yet.
2. Ths is just a sad reason to accuse me for being mafia and does not indicate anything about my behavior this game or anything I have done.
My point is that DrH has been one of the most active players this game. Yet he has been inconsistent in who he thinks is mafia and he has never hard pushed one player.
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On March 28 2012 05:21 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 01:53 Katina wrote:
DrH only has two votes at the moment? We need the votes on him to start coming in.
DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up. I don't think anybody has been contributing enough for you to call Dr.H scummy for not contributing. I get the impression that Katina has been somewhat scared to post all game and has avoided giving us her reads.
I have not been scared to post all game infact I have been pretty transparent about who I think is mafia. I thought Mattchew was mafia and I said so many times. I thought Kurumi was innocent and I explained many times why I thought this.
On March 28 2012 05:52 EchelonTee wrote:my thoughts on KatinaExamining her reason to not vote Kurumi brings up something gold: Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 02:58 Katina wrote:On March 16 2012 02:27 layabout wrote:
Can somebody be a dear an explain why they are so certain that Kurumi is mafia? Kurumi isn't mafia. He is not just speaking nonsense and flooding the thread even though his plan backfired and caused a major distraction. And in between all of the pokemon crap he was actively speaking his mind. You can tell he is not mafia becaunse his posting has been entirely consistent from day 1. He has not been flip flopping or doing any other tell-tale signs of mafia. ] The key behind Katina thinking Kurumi was town, and also the reasoning she uses to proclaim her town status, is that being "consistent" is a town tell. She states that again in her PM with layabout: + Show Spoiler +[01:06:18] Summer Barnes: I've been clear the entire game on who I think is mafia
[01:06:26] Summer Barnes: but you could stand to do that Aside from the fact that Kurumi's flip shows that "remaining consistent" isn't a town tell, overall this concept is highly deceptive. Being logical and reasonable throughout a game is an indicator of being town, but as town, it's impossible and frankly incorrect to remain rigid to your stances. Games change over time, and being unyielding is either plain ignorance or willful deception. As mafia, holding fast to some stance and sticking with it obstinately is essentially a free pass. You don't have to comment on relevant cases ("I disagree, I already stated my suspicion"), you deny responsibility for failures ("I stated why I thought he wasn't scum, that's that"), you don't even have to post!
Examples of this concept: Palmar initially thought Caller was town. His opinion changed. Deconduo initially thought DrH was talking sense. He now thinks DrH is scum I thought that Jitsu was scum. Filter me and look at my case; but do I talk about Jitsu at all after that day? No! Why? I changed my mind! I pressured Jitsu hard, and he responded well, so I backed off and realized he was likely town. This is how you remain transparent; you pressure your suspects and judge them. Katina has not considered any other viewpoints but her own all game; this shows a distinct lack of consideration for the thread happenings, and laughably enough removes her accountability from thread goings on.
The prplhz WIFOM: This is obviously a less concrete arguement, but as briefly mentioned, prplhz was a medic. Mattchew previously thought Katina was townie, b/c of the fact that she knew prplhz' role and prplhz still lived, but then prplhz died a random death. At the time prplhz was shot, he didn't have much thread presence, and at the same time no one had explicitly or implicitly outted him as a medic in thread. It's possible Mafia shot him for some other reason, but it's pretty likely that Mafia knew he was medic (through Katina) and sniped him.
Contradictions of Katina that make her look scummy: 1.says that DrH is scummy for bashing other people constantlyexamples of Katina bashing people for loose reasons: 1 2 32.calls out people for not contributing enoughKatina has less posts/content than VE, a dood that died N1. Says she'll talk more in pms with layabout, doesn't. 3.states that she has been open about her readsnever said why she thought abenson/wiggles were Mafia. she is quite intransparent in PMs.
All in all I am most sure of Katina being mafia. she has put on the veil of contribution without actually doing anything all game, and her logic breaks down under inspection.
I have already explained why I thought kururmi was innocent. Trying to dig up that dirt again is causing you to make the wrong decision, If you really care that much about Kurumi go back and read my post explaining what I did because right now you are distracting the town from the important issues about my case.
Perhaps I have not been considerate of other viewpoints this game however no offense. This game had a lot of Jubjubs in it and dealing with them constantly through the game was a big headache. The fact is I have taken responsibilites for my actions this game. I have explained why I have done everything that I have done. I have explained who I thought was mafia. I may not have provided big analisys on wiggles but early in the game I said he was suspicious and I was okay to lynch him. I didn't want a no lynch that's why I voted for him when I did.
Your thing about prplhz being the medic is not a good indicator of me being mafia. Yes he did tell me he was a medic and that night he did not get shot. I have not used that as a argument for my innocence.
You say that there are three contridications that I have made that has made me to appear scummy. Let me address all of them.
1. DrH is scummy for bashing other people. This is because as I pointed out in my analisys. This is not usual behavior for him when he is town. I may be sarcastic from time to time but everyone bashes people at one point or another. The point is that this is not normal behavoir for DrH.
2. Yes my number of posts may not be very high however, I have explained all my reads and all my actions and I have taken responsibility for what has happened. That is what is important. DrH has not taken responsibility for his actions.
3. I answered this above. I may be a little intransparent in pm's because everyone who I have been pming has accused me to be mafia and were unwilling to listen to me.
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To address some random issues. I have not been activitly lurking and I have not been playing in pm land as I said above anyone who I have been pming with thinks I'm mafia. Thus my willingness to talk to people in pm's has deminished.
I have contributed my reads the entire game not just when I have been pressured. My case against DrH came way before I was even a candidate for being lynched.
Infact Billmurray. DrH is the one who has posted analysis under pressure. As seen by his recent case against Jay. As Layabout pointed out his case is very convoluted and desperate. DrH had promised analysis in the past three days and have only chosen now to give it.
The problem with DrH is that he has refuted nearly all the arguments against him with the fact that he's been busy. He has done little to respond to the points that he's been inconsistent and clearly not acting the way he usually does when he is town. It's not the fact that he says he's been busy because everyone has a life. It's the fact that it's really all he has said. As I mentioned before he never really responded to my case. At first he just brushed it off as whatever and just recently just claimed it was a good analisys.
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Yay we are finally lynching Katina <3
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On March 28 2012 08:19 jaybrundage wrote:
Yay we are finally lynching Katina <3
Do you even read?
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On March 28 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:
To address some random issues. I have not been activitly lurking and I have not been playing in pm land as I said above anyone who I have been pming with thinks I'm mafia. Thus my willingness to talk to people in pm's has deminished.
I have contributed my reads the entire game not just when I have been pressured. My case against DrH came way before I was even a candidate for being lynched.
Infact Billmurray. DrH is the one who has posted analysis under pressure. As seen by his recent case against Jay. As Layabout pointed out his case is very convoluted and desperate. DrH had promised analysis in the past three days and have only chosen now to give it.
The problem with DrH is that he has refuted nearly all the arguments against him with the fact that he's been busy. He has done little to respond to the points that he's been inconsistent and clearly not acting the way he usually does when he is town. It's not the fact that he says he's been busy because everyone has a life. It's the fact that it's really all he has said. As I mentioned before he never really responded to my case. At first he just brushed it off as whatever and just recently just claimed it was a good analisys.
That's not true.
Let me rephrase good analysis to good reasoning. You're looking at my post behavior and intentions and not making a WIFOM guess based on information town doesn't have like deconduo was. Your arguments fall short, but they come from the right place.
I pushed Jitsu Day 1, I pushed Kurumi Day 2 VERY hard, Caller was an overwhelming bandwagon and there was nothing to push. The only time I didn't push a lynch hard was when I was either too busy (Abenson lynch) or when it was too obvious. I actually had to push Kurumi because it was almost a no lynch. And the one lynch that I pushed super hard killed scum.
I haven't promised analysis either. I said if I found the time I would do something and haven't found the time or care until today. Seeing as it's LYLO and the bandwagon was forming against me, would you rather I said anything?
If I continue as I was, you will think I'm scum. If I shape up and defend myself, apparently that means I'm scum too. What would you like me to do? Go back in time and cancel all my job interviews? My girlfriend has been moving in and I've had a very busy couple of weeks. What exactly would you like me to do about that?
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