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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 27 2012 23:29 GMT
#1721
Please vote for jaybrundage. Katina is playing like a bad townie. She's confident and holding onto her one read, she's nitpicking things that I think are normal for newer town. There are contradictions there but I think scum would be a lot more careful. I believe that town players are more likely to make logical errors and inconsistencies than scum are and I've said this over and over. JB has scummy intentions and motivations behind his postings, Katina does not. If her case against me is putting her in the hotseat there's no reason for her to stick to her guns like this as scum imo, she's acting as town who is convinced I am scum. We can't no lynch. We can't mislynch either. JB is my most confident read and I won't vote for Katina.
RIP Aaliyah
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
March 27 2012 23:55 GMT
#1722
On March 28 2012 08:23 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 08:19 jaybrundage wrote:
Yay we are finally lynching Katina <3

Do you even read?

Read what your defense? Eh. Good effort tho :D

I have thought you were mafia from the start. And yes I did read the thread i missed before typing. I still think your mafia tho.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
March 28 2012 00:23 GMT
#1723
Sweet this is the long awaited Jay case :D
On March 28 2012 03:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 03:09 layabout wrote:
Dr.H when you realised that we were likely at lylo what did you resolve to do to ensure town's victory?


Question is meaningless. The amount of effort I put into the game based on personal factors is not indicative of anything besides how busy I am or are not.

Anyway, this is why I believe JB is scum or the traitor. There is a sharp change in his behavior. He begins the game with a very soft stance on LaL. When he comes under fire for what he's talking about, he pulls back a little bit. There is also this gem which is typical of scum "We are unlikely to get a mafia day one
So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him." TRANSLATION : When lurkers are lynched on the basis of being bad or just lurkers, it's very easy for scum to decide which lurkers are lynched. All they have to do, for example, is say "Hey, let's kill Abenson for lurking" instead of scum lurker Y and when it gets into late game they can swing each lynch where they want it. The problem with killing lurkers fast is that the best does not lead to lurker lynches, only the loudest voice does.

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On March 12 2012 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Responding to Layabout

There's nothing wrong with putting a vote out there just for the hell of it.

I dont like Rg playstyle (lying like 6 times as town) He even expressed he lied alot
as town so he could get away with lying alot as mafia. We are unlikely to get a mafia day one
So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him. I was mostly fishing for reactions. Didn't get to many sadly

I say i do agree with lynching liars and Lurkers. However i suggest we use them as guidelines.
TL towns dont lynch liars often enough and pushing lurkers to talk and contribute forces mafia to contribute. And in the process mess up

Sharing PMs or not Sharing PMs both have pros and cons. To act like one is simply pro mafia is dumb. I think they both are viable ways to proceed.

Also I put the list of players out. To try to elicit responses from them. I dont want to lost because half our player base isn't contirbuted it doesn't matter if they town or mafia. A town that contributes is a good town. (not spam tho)

I want the lurkers to come out T_T

I dont know about the jackal lynch we could of found a scum. Ill have to go over him. I dont know his meta to well tbh tho.


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This players have not posted in the thread yet. And i suggest we lynch one of them.

Katina
VisceraEyes
Node
[Uon]Sentinel
Pandain
RgTheSchoworz
Curu


The part in bold is what worries me the most. Lynch lists are beyond useless, I remember going off on VE for pages about his in Storm which got him so upset he almost quit so I won't beat a dead horse, but I still think it's scummier than not. This post was so early in the game that calling out a lurker is worthless, not only that, he's suggesting we already lynch one of these players just for not posting early into the day.


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On March 12 2012 15:18 jaybrundage wrote:
Doc I understand where you coming from. I am not scumhunting. I honestly don't do well day 1.

And i as you dont feel confident in my reads to push anything atm. I still think the jackal lynch makes sense even if mostly based on meta. I also think that our lurkers need to speak up a bit more.



Apologetic and wishy washy. This changes very fast.


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On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD

Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party)

Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o.

Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers.


Lots of posts like this. He's really just summarizing what's happening and adding useless comments.


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On March 15 2012 08:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey Doc are you scum?

You should PM and tell me your role


Newfound confidence occurs after he goes after Kurumi. JB calling out Kurumi is what sparked his claim, this does not indicate that JB was town or anything. If this confirms JB to anyone then it must also confirm me because I pushed the case equally hard and voted for Kurumi as well. Don't have a double standard now. As a rule, I'm much less interested in who defends who than just who acts like scum. I'll second guess myself into a corner otherwise.

I never tried to play this lynch for town cred or to "confirm" myself and then fish role claims out of people. Are you kidding me? JB gets away with that?


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On March 16 2012 13:49 jaybrundage wrote:
Doc I started the Kurumi lynch are you kidding me?

At this point i should be confirmed town. I was the first to try to lynch kurumi.

ROfl if you think im scum im dont knwo what to say



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On March 16 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote:
WAIT how is Palmar getting cred for the lynch i pushed. This doesnt make any sense. You guys are delusional. You are assuming Palmar is town based on nothing. He hasn't dont shit this game. Besides kill two townies.

Saying Palmar is confirmed town is pretty retarded. He's not He needs to start pushing good lynches and start doing work as town.

DocH i think your town because you were pushing the Kurumi lynch with me. But your not making sense.

Cant a get a single townie that can be transparent.

I want to lynch Katina next. She was trying to kill node. who was green. And then she tried to get people to look at cases and not lynch Kurumi.

If people think im scum rofl moslty you DocH you think im scum for what reason. Starting a lynch on a scum?

Post a case on me. This case will probably determine to me if your scum or not. So please put some work in it.


Look at JB's logic here. This is the only post that makes me think "bad townie". He seems to genuinely view the game this way:

Town - Only bandwagon or vote for scum. Never vote for a town aligned player.
Scum - Only bandwagon or vote for town. If you vote for scum you're town, if you vote for town you're scum.

Katina is scum for pushing Node when a lot of people suspected him? And me and JB are town because we got Kurumi lynched who was scum? Sorry, that's not how mafia works.


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On March 16 2012 16:46 jaybrundage wrote:
On March 16 2012 14:43 EchelonTee wrote:
On March 16 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote:
WAIT how is Palmar getting cred for 1. the lynch i pushed. This doesnt make any sense. You guys are delusional. You are assuming Palmar is town based on nothing. He hasn't dont shit this game. Besides kill two townies.

Saying Palmar is confirmed town is pretty retarded. He's not He needs to start pushing good lynches and start doing work as town.

DocH i think your town because you were pushing the Kurumi lynch with me. But your not making sense.

Cant a get a single townie that can be transparent.

I want to lynch Katina next. 2. She was trying to kill node. who was green. And then she tried to get people to look at cases and not lynch Kurumi.

If people think im scum rofl moslty you DocH you think im scum for what reason. Starting a lynch on a scum?

Post a case on me. This case will probably determine to me if your scum or not. 3. So please put some work in it.

1. no you didn't push that. several other people put cases on him, u just accused him of being traitor once. begging for cred?
2. I wanted to kill node too, who was green. that make me scum? Jackal wanted to kill node too. that make him scum? oh wait.
3. hypocrisy~

First off I'm not begging for town cred. I'm demanding it.
I did push Kurumi. But don't worry hopefully I'll get another scum tomorrow. Speaking of scum your looking pretty scummy there buddy. Want to go on the docket?

Lets see didnt vote for Kurumi check. Trying to discredit a townie check.

Let me ask you think ET do you think Katina is scummy and why.

Im assuming your answer is going to be no because you know your her scum buddy.

And um yea thats about it :D


Trying to discredit a townie? Again, more making cases based on the assumption that he is confirmed. Unbelievable.

JB continues down this path. I believe JB was the traitor, probably rolechecked by scum Night 1 which explains his behavior coming out on Day 2. If Kurumi wasn't a planned bus, it could be a sloppy bus. I was sloppily bussed in HP Mafia and did a sloppy bus on LSB in that game too iirc. Basically, one player says "I'm just gonna bus Kurumi" but the rest of the scum don't go along with it, maybe some do or some don't, or see a chance to make mislynch/nolynch happen near the end and fuck with the vote. It could be any number of reasons.

There is no denying JB had a sharp change of attitude from wishy washy/apologetic and only commentating on nothings/policies to brash, aggressive, confident, arrogant even pushing people and trying to force everyone to think he's confirmed based on nothing more than the fact that he posted a case on someone who was scum. Something I also did. Twice. If you think JB is town and I'm not JUST because I was busy and rude for a little bit (not too strange for me, I've almost been modkilled for rudeness and flaming as town before) and the fact that I PM'd Kurumi because I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM AND THEN PUSHED HIS LYNCH DAY 2 you are a jubjub.



Looking thru it the main basis for you thinking im scum is my change in playstyle huh.

Let me explain this to you my dear Doctor. As I am still a relatively new player to forum mafia (played about 6ish games) I have never been in a position as town where I actively lead a lynch on a scum player. For the most part of my games as town I have been sheeping good townies. This game after day 1. I explained I am kind of useless day one because I like to have a day of voting done so I get a read on player's

But after I saw Kurumi's Rattata tratior hint; I thought it was a serious indication that he was scum. Because of this I pushed him very hard to be lynched. I was pretty confident that he would be mafia. When he did turn out to be mafia this was a huge ego boost. This was my FIRST time leading a scum lynch as town. How cool is that? So of course I would try to be more confident in my reads. As far as i can tell this is the main reason you think im scum.

I did go a bit to far claiming town cred lol I just needed my fix. (Thats for you VE )

But in all seriousness yes it was a mistake for me to assume people would see me as town just because I lead a scum lynch. It is an indication that someone is probably townie. However it's by no means makes you confirmed town. This is always the reason I was concerned about Palmar being declared a confirmed town. That was probably my biggest mistake this game. That and changing my mind on my Mr.Wiggles read.

Also my dear Doctor just to be clear here
On March 16 2012 16:46 jaybrundage wrote:
First off I'm not begging for town cred. I'm demanding it.
I did push Kurumi. But don't worry hopefully I'll get another scum tomorrow. Speaking of scum your looking pretty scummy there buddy. Want to go on the docket?

Lets see didnt vote for Kurumi check. Trying to discredit a townie check.

Let me ask you think ET do you think Katina is scummy and why.

Im assuming your answer is going to be no because you know your her scum buddy.

And um yea thats about it :D


When I was talking about Katina discrediting a townie I was refering to VE who was dead at that point. Katina was calling out VE as scummy and later he turned out to be town.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 28 2012 02:08 GMT
#1724
Ah, okay. That makes things slightly better but VE being town has nothing to do with whether or not he was right about anything so it's a basically irrelevant point. Also, thinking someone is scum and them turning out town is not indicative of alignment either.
RIP Aaliyah
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
March 28 2012 03:16 GMT
#1725
Night 6


[image loading]

Katina was buried alive.

24 hours to get in night actions.

Day 6 Vote Count
With 7 alive, its 4 to lynch


Current votes:

Katina (4): deconduo, layabout, EchelonTee, jaybrundage

jaybrundage (1): DoctorHelvetica

DoctorHelvetica (1): deconduo, Katina, -deconduo

Not voting: Bill Murray
And so, we find the Sublime.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
March 28 2012 03:24 GMT
#1726
gg
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
March 28 2012 03:29 GMT
#1727
wait what? doesn't this mean we lose?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
March 28 2012 03:33 GMT
#1728
Endgame


JubJub Mafia Victory!

One day, there was much facepalming. On that day, it was lylo and town lynched town and lost.

All that was left was this guy:

[image loading]

having the time of his life.

Role spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Asudw65CServdEI1Rm11aVVyTV9YcGFWcEJLeWxpdWc#gid=0

Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/9EVmwS3Tc3aU

obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/YjPf86aJfHVA

And so, we find the Sublime.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 03:36:05
March 28 2012 03:35 GMT
#1729
GG

kind of an anticlimatic ending. the google doc is set on private atm can you share it?

lmao at the obs qt
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
March 28 2012 03:37 GMT
#1730
try it now

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Asudw65CServdEI1Rm11aVVyTV9YcGFWcEJLeWxpdWc
And so, we find the Sublime.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 28 2012 03:51 GMT
#1731
GG
RIP Aaliyah
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
March 28 2012 03:57 GMT
#1732
GG well played. Well at least I know that Doc isn't just a terrible town player.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 03:59:06
March 28 2012 03:58 GMT
#1733
scum victories always feel so lonely lol. when town wins, all the triumphant townies come in and laugh about their successful reads and the shenanigans that almost fcked them

when scum wins it's like a puppy got slapped in da face.

Credit to my teammates; the Kurumi bus somehow managed to stifle town activity, and Caller as dayvig ended any chance of a town turn around. no idea how BM managed to stay under the radar for so long. props to DrH for planning most of the scum maneuvers. good team effort from scum, despite our disagreements from time to time ^^
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 28 2012 03:59 GMT
#1734
My original plan to mason Kurumi was to gain town cred off the notion that scum wouldn't mason a teammate. Deconduo mistakenly thinking Kurumi was the traitor threw a wrench in that, especially since he was the PM checker who I had planned to manipulate into thinking I was confirmed.

I planned a much more elaborate bus of Kurumi in which he made a fake DT claim incriminating Node, setting up Caller's shot, then claimed the person who claimed DT told him that scum must have used frame then the next day Kurumi would claim that DT was Palmar, giving Caller a believable reason to shoot Palmar and then setting up Kurumi to get bussed Day 3 but he ended up doing some dreamer claim when I wasn't paying attention because I was pissed that Caller wasn't just doing what I told him to do and kinda half ragequit the game at that point and stopped caring, plus I got super busy later (that wasn't a lie)

I'm a control freak
RIP Aaliyah
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
March 28 2012 04:07 GMT
#1735
that dreamer claim was rly rly strange lol... accelerated Kurumi's demise. everything worked out anyways, in the end.

the acquisition of BM was at a godly timing... right after the DT check, we snapped him up.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 28 2012 04:13 GMT
#1736
Why you guys don't listen to me?

GG, Gents.
you gotta dance
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 28 2012 04:16 GMT
#1737
Kurumi was pretty much unresponsive in mafia QT, he just did whatever he wanted. I don't remember planning out that dreamer claim either. It didn't really help us much in the end tbh.
RIP Aaliyah
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
March 28 2012 04:46 GMT
#1738
On March 28 2012 13:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Why you guys don't listen to me?

GG, Gents.

yah you were quite on the right track, fingering myself, drh, and bm at certain points.

i felt bad bringing you down with fake-o logic, you hosted my first game
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
March 28 2012 04:47 GMT
#1739
Jubjub mafia and town
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
March 28 2012 05:01 GMT
#1740
No discussion day 2 and 3 sealed the deal.
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