TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia - Page 16

On March 13 2012 01:08 layabout wrote:
Mattchew, where in all of that empty fluff did you find a reason to unvote?

Was it the narrative at the begin that was suppoosed to address the case against him?
Was it was the "you called my case flimsy, how about i address none of your points and clarify none of my points and pretend to have refuted your criticism?"
Or maybe it was the I cannot be bothered to think of somehthing to say about layabout part?

On March 13 2012 01:21 Curu wrote:
I also don't buy this "don't lynch him yet, he's a good player etc etc" there is only one person I would extend this rule to and that is Mig because he is a crushing Town player and an awful scum player. You lynch based on who you think has the highest probability to flip scum, way back in the day when I was on the scumteam we were able to pull out a dominating victory because people kept pushing "don't lynch Curu/chaoser/Mig/etc yet because they are good players (we were all scum)," ended up constantly lynching newbies and Palmar, who was the one pushing pretty hard for all 3 of us. was then killed. Palmar's cases faded from memory and we cruised through the rest of the game.

Sentinel's vote is even worse, there are different merits and failures for sharing/not sharing who you are PMing. Neither option is inherently pro Town or pro Mafia, wanting a lynch on him because he advised sharing who you PM with is absurd.

On March 12 2012 19:31 EchelonTee wrote:




hey look its a jubjub


Saying that multiple people coming to the same conclusion at the same time doesn't mean squat, and I don't like how you imply those 3 people are likely town. In surprinsingly normal VII I posted a fake ass case on Bluelightz, then Shraft posted a nigh-identical case on it. scum and town can come to the same conclusions. I also am getting tired of meta arguments. I believed all you vets in TL L (oh palmar is being a scummy fck lynch him, NOT), and I tried to apply it in Newbie Mini III (DYH just decided to play differently trolol), but meta and only meta cannot convince me anymore.

On March 12 2012 23:20 Kurumi wrote:
Pandain has zero posts in the thread. That's sad, he knows how to play and should be here to help us.
Schworz is away too.
Deconduo said he dislikes the way layabout plays and that's it, though he's EU so I think he'll come back in something like 4-5 hours.
Bill Murray is playing a good game so far and I am really happy about that.
jaybrundage, You voted Schworz really quick, then posted a list with people we should lynch and then voted Jackal, sup?
You ask for cases, say other cases are bad and never make one Yourself, what's up man?

On March 12 2012 15:57 Node wrote:
Right now I'm feeling the Jackal lynch more than anything else. He says that he plays differently every game, but I feel that enough of a case has been made to show that that's not at all true (see: Curu's post). His tentative posting so far this game does remind me of his posts in Hammer Mini Mafia, where he was also scum. He also listed me as one of the "good" players, which is so utterly wrong it's hilarious. (not a real reason for voting him, but seriously, I'm terribad)

I also don't think that Caller is scum, based purely on the fact that he's the first person to make a real case and get some actual discussion going. I feel scum would've been content to let the thread continue to wallow in LaL arguments and the PM debate, where no progress was being made.

On March 13 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've been following the thread silently and I'm of the opinion that Caller is scum.

##Vote: Caller

His original case on DocH was a fucking joke - it was literally "he could be scum, and if he's town he's likely to get killed anyway, so let's kill him!" This alone is bad enough, but then he backpedals, says that it was a reaction test.

A reaction test. What kind of reactions was he looking for after a bullshit case like that? Either people calling it bullshit or people hopping onboard obviously. But here's where it gets strange. He gave cred to people who called his case bullshit.

Whaaaaat?

Let's roleplay for a minute: Let's say that Caller is town and is testing for reactions. In this exercise, let's assume for the moment that prplhz is scum, mkay? How do you think a scum prplhz is going to react to the case town-Caller put forward? If you said anything but "Call it fucking bullshit" then you're wrong. As scum, prplhz would be scared as shit of townCaller by virtue of Caller being an easily recognizable name on these forums, right? But then Caller does him a FAVOR and posts a laughable case on DocH. Like, I'd literally be doing a jig if I were scum reading Caller's initial case.

But Caller gives TOWNCRED to prplhz for calling his case BS! That doesn't even make sense - scum benefit more from calling out Caller than town would in that situation - Caller's DocH case was bad enough without someone calling it bad.

I think Caller put forward an easily recognizable shit case with the sole intention of buddying up by giving them towncred anyone who called it bullshit. For this reason, I'm pretty convinced that prplhz is town and Caller is scum.

On March 13 2012 02:51 jaybrundage wrote:

Hate on me all you want. There is a perfectly reasonable chance that Jackal is mafia. Now instead of pushing his reads on other people he is just making flimsy arguments. A case based mosty on meta is still a case.


I voted Schworz. Because as a is stated i want to get some reactions sadly i didn't get as many as I wanted. I also dont like
Rg's play style.

The list I posted was the people that were lurking at that point. Putting pressure on lurkers is never bad. Its important that we keep our options open and think about lynching a lurker if no other good scum lynches come up.

I decided to vote for jackal because i think the cases on him are decent. While mostly based on meta sometimes cases on meta to come thru. I didn't really post a case. Because Curu's case and prplhz mostly changed my mind. If i did post a case it would be rehashing and not worth posting.

That said. I like how the jackal case isn't getting much momentum. It makes me think we could have picked up on a scum.

On March 13 2012 03:34 Katina wrote:


I think it's interesting that you admit to being a bad player especially since I searched your name and found that you have played and hosted in multiple games. You are counting Caller out as scum because he was the first to make a case? Well if I would have known that it's that easy to get off your radar I would have done that first. In BC's game Liquid`Sheth was the first to make a case and he ended up being scum.

On March 13 2012 03:44 Pandain wrote:
sorry I've been sick the past 2 days, catching up now.

On March 13 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've been following the thread silently and I'm of the opinion that Caller is scum.

##Vote: Caller

His original case on DocH was a fucking joke - it was literally "he could be scum, and if he's town he's likely to get killed anyway, so let's kill him!" This alone is bad enough, but then he backpedals, says that it was a reaction test.

A reaction test. What kind of reactions was he looking for after a bullshit case like that? Either people calling it bullshit or people hopping onboard obviously. But here's where it gets strange. He gave cred to people who called his case bullshit.

Whaaaaat?

Let's roleplay for a minute: Let's say that Caller is town and is testing for reactions. In this exercise, let's assume for the moment that prplhz is scum, mkay? How do you think a scum prplhz is going to react to the case town-Caller put forward? If you said anything but "Call it fucking bullshit" then you're wrong. As scum, prplhz would be scared as shit of townCaller by virtue of Caller being an easily recognizable name on these forums, right? But then Caller does him a FAVOR and posts a laughable case on DocH. Like, I'd literally be doing a jig if I were scum reading Caller's initial case.

But Caller gives TOWNCRED to prplhz for calling his case BS! That doesn't even make sense - scum benefit more from calling out Caller than town would in that situation - Caller's DocH case was bad enough without someone calling it bad.

I think Caller put forward an easily recognizable shit case with the sole intention of buddying up by giving them towncred anyone who called it bullshit. For this reason, I'm pretty convinced that prplhz is town and Caller is scum.

On March 13 2012 03:44 Kurumi wrote:
I won't vote for Caller/Jackal58. This most likely leaves me with Jitsu. He fishes for Mason partners and advocates Town lying, while his first posts were about how good the town atmosphere is going to be. If so, he isn't doing anything to make that happen. This is pretty bad. Although, I am a bit reluctant to vote for him, just a gut feeling.
As for people who made cases today, You get something like +1 point for being Town or whatever, I just find it more likely for scum to join on bandwagons than creating cases themselves - I mean, why would they put themselves in a hard situation?
We have a lot people who haven't voted(me included). D1 might end in a no-lynch. I'll rethink some things and maybe come up with someone.
Even if some extreme lurking happens, I don't want to lynch a lurker, Mafia rarely lurks and if they do, it's because they suck.

Thanks jaybrundage. Your response looks really good in my eyes, but I disagree with Jackal as scum.

On March 13 2012 04:02 Jitsu wrote:



I thought of the Mason thing. I reasoned that in a game with PM's, I couldn't foresee the need to have Mason's in the game, so I called bullshit.
I'm done bringing the issue of lying up, again. If that is all you gleaned from my first ten posts of the game, then nothing I say now will change it.

PMs:
This game has limited PMs. Everyone has the ability to choose to talk to two people for the game. Once you choose someone, you may talk to them in PMs for the remainder of the game. Once you choose someone, you cannot change your choice. If anybody chooses you, that does not count toward your two choices. You can decide who you want to talk with at any point in the game. Just PM me who you are talking to, and I will notify them.

On March 13 2012 03:51 Caller wrote:


So your argument is basically that I want to make an easily flawed argument so I can get people to call me out and then I can go suck their dicks. Okay.

I’ll start by saying that I don’t give a shit how people responded to my post, content-wise. I just know that mafia like to wait and be neutral until somebody makes a decisive point, and then they tend to follow-up with the party line. The whole point is to wait for someone to make a post going strongly one way or another and then wait for some overzealous scum to try and hammer the point in with as much vitrol as possible.

Kind of like how you waited for DoctorH to criticize my Jackal post (which has the same reasoning as Curu’s later post that he DIDN’T call out) before proceeding to blast me for trying to suck town’s dick.

Of course, someone who apparently is as “well-known” as me needs to suck dick to get people to listen to me. Yes that makes perfect sense. And of course I would then go ahead and suck Jackal’s dick too for calling out my shit post… oh wait a minute.

Your “scenario” has assumptions that totally contradict each other. Good try on the chainsaw defense though, and thanks for reminding me that you’re in the game.

On March 13 2012 00:38 Jitsu wrote:

At this point, I was essentially finished talking about Lynch All Liars. I stressed my point many times, and felt that it was enough and didn't need to be reopened. You say that I continued to talk about the LaL policy up.


Also, ET, you're first quote...:
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...is in response to gumshoe. Go back and look at it. I didn't feel the need to add a quote because his post was one or two above mine, and was "easily" associated with it. It's not a continuation, it's a response. Don't make it out like it is.

On March 13 2012 00:38 Jitsu wrote:
Secondly, you say that my case on prphlz is flimsy.

How many games have you played? Have you ever mis-read the name of a player? It's generally the first thing I look at when someone posts. I don't "get all giddy and assume" that it's someone. You think prphlz would just go right by a nametag at the top of a post, and assume it's someone? Please. You and I both know he is better then that.

How does that not give outside communication? Curu already say they weren't PMing, so that kills that reason.

On March 13 2012 01:21 Curu wrote:
Get off Jitsu. There is no reason for Mafia to spew something stupid like that if him and Jackal are opposite alignments.

1. Jackal Town Jitsu Mafia = why protect Jackal with something dumb right now, should just go with it and let us case formers take the fall after flip

2. Jackal Town Jitsu Town = can explain his actions

3. Jackal Mafia Jitsu Town = can explain his actions

4. Jackal Mafia Jitsu Mafia = can explain his actions

On March 13 2012 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote:


Tell me why prplhz is "correct" for calling you out, but Jackal is not. There was no reason for you to specifically choose DocH for the reasons you gave and that's all Jackal was saying - now you're saying he's scum for it, but you clearly and specifically say prplhz was "correct" for calling you out.