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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
March 12 2012 20:10 GMT
#321
EBWOP: should be "He didn't exactly proclaim Jackal's innocence"
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
March 12 2012 20:10 GMT
#322
I thought you were referring to town Masons as a role, not the PM mechanic. I thought that since there was a PM mechanic, there would be no reason to have Mason roles.

How would I fish for it if I voted for prphlz after Curu denied having PM contact?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 12 2012 20:15 GMT
#323
So Caller, you're saying that my strategy as scum is to wait until town is getting ready to lynch my scumbuddy Jackal and then come in and defend him. When he's about to get lynched. That's your "working theory".

I tried that once, and it was in Hammer Mafia. I'll NEVER do that again. I'll admit that I could be wrong about Jackal - but I would NEVER do that as scum again Caller. Ever. You're an idiot if you "think" that's what's going on here.

The fact that you "think" that's what's happening here only solidifies what I already suspected.

Everyone needs to be voting for Caller.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 12 2012 20:22 GMT
#324
On March 13 2012 05:09 Jackal58 wrote:
What a derp fest.
Since I die night one anyways with the regularity of 90 year old virgin on a prune diet I'm claiming.
I'm Dreamflower. The suicidal vigilante. If I shoot a townie I die. Whether I hit them or not. So go lynch scum ya derps.
Start with Node. That's where I'm switching my vote too. Caller has a tendency to piss me off so I'll just ignore him until I decide to shoot him.

Just because I fucking hate having the last post on a page.
Life can only kill you once.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
March 12 2012 20:25 GMT
#325
On March 13 2012 05:22 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 05:09 Jackal58 wrote:
What a derp fest.
Since I die night one anyways with the regularity of 90 year old virgin on a prune diet I'm claiming.
I'm Dreamflower. The suicidal vigilante. If I shoot a townie I die. Whether I hit them or not. So go lynch scum ya derps.
Start with Node. That's where I'm switching my vote too. Caller has a tendency to piss me off so I'll just ignore him until I decide to shoot him.

Just because I fucking hate having the last post on a page.

Hi Jackal. Guess You're aiming for a no-lynch then?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 12 2012 20:27 GMT
#326
On March 13 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
So Caller, you're saying that my strategy as scum is to wait until town is getting ready to lynch my scumbuddy Jackal and then come in and defend him. When he's about to get lynched. That's your "working theory".

I tried that once, and it was in Hammer Mafia. I'll NEVER do that again. I'll admit that I could be wrong about Jackal - but I would NEVER do that as scum again Caller. Ever. You're an idiot if you "think" that's what's going on here.

The fact that you "think" that's what's happening here only solidifies what I already suspected.

Everyone needs to be voting for Caller.

Look at this scumslip. He already knows what Jackal is. I can think of one reason why.

I specifically said that no matter if Jackal is town or mafia that you're setting yourself up to reap the reward of knowing ahead of time what Jackal is. As a result. I'm trying to stop you.

You're saying that you had previously defended a mafiaso and you're never doing it again. The trouble here is, you're defending Jackal. So you therefore seem to know that Jackal is NOT mafia, and since you know his role DAY 1, this leads me to conclude that you're...

Its quite simple: we lynch Jackal. If he comes up mafia, hurray. If he's not mafia, VisceraEyes must be mafia.

One last thing: I don't use "think" and "theory." More false doubt... more mafia tactics.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 12 2012 20:28 GMT
#327
How does Caller thinking a scum would defend another scum make him scum? Maybe I'm not following your logic.

Jackal, roleclaiming was unnecessary. If there is no claim to the contrary I'll believe you. Dreamflower is a pretty specific role and I doubt there is more than one in this game as opposed to something like medic or veteran.

We need to reconsider the business surrounding prplhz. His play is poor but it's not particularly scummy and the attempt to pin someone as scum for making a similar case around the same timeframe is ridiculous and comes off to me as a hamfisted attempt by scum to start a bandwagon. The fact that it took makes me even more sure it's scum originated or backed.

Wiggles is the first to jump on it, doing nothing in the game besides talk about mechanics/town strategy (at great length) until this point I'm surprised his first attempt at hunting scum is so forced and illogical. The fact that prplhz made a case near the same time period is inconclusive, might perhaps implicate that he is town talking to curu or caller in PM but hardly mafiaesque.

Jitsu is the only one who voted for him and he's already been in the hotseat. This is the most alarming event in this thread to me. The Caller vs VE deal is really coming off to me like an ensuing tragedy of townie vs townie.
RIP Aaliyah
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 12 2012 20:36 GMT
#328
On March 13 2012 05:27 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
So Caller, you're saying that my strategy as scum is to wait until town is getting ready to lynch my scumbuddy Jackal and then come in and defend him. When he's about to get lynched. That's your "working theory".

I tried that once, and it was in Hammer Mafia. I'll NEVER do that again. I'll admit that I could be wrong about Jackal - but I would NEVER do that as scum again Caller. Ever. You're an idiot if you "think" that's what's going on here.

The fact that you "think" that's what's happening here only solidifies what I already suspected.

Everyone needs to be voting for Caller.

Look at this scumslip. He already knows what Jackal is. I can think of one reason why.

I specifically said that no matter if Jackal is town or mafia that you're setting yourself up to reap the reward of knowing ahead of time what Jackal is. As a result. I'm trying to stop you.

You're saying that you had previously defended a mafiaso and you're never doing it again. The trouble here is, you're defending Jackal. So you therefore seem to know that Jackal is NOT mafia, and since you know his role DAY 1, this leads me to conclude that you're...

Its quite simple: we lynch Jackal. If he comes up mafia, hurray. If he's not mafia, VisceraEyes must be mafia.

One last thing: I don't use "think" and "theory." More false doubt... more mafia tactics.


Well you certainly don't "know" either because you're wrong about me. You're a fool if you're town. Luckily for me, I know you're not. Smooches.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 12 2012 20:36 GMT
#329
Since anybody can claim an obscure role that is extremely unlikely to be counter claimed it would be for the best if Jackal could show us that he is town by trying to help rather than calling everybody bad and giving away a role that he probably should have tried harder to conceal if it is in fact his role.

I am not moving my vote.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
March 12 2012 20:37 GMT
#330
On March 13 2012 05:08 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 00:38 Jitsu wrote:
On March 12 2012 15:01 Bill Murray wrote:
jitsu, what are your thoughts on layabout's alignment this game?

At this point, I was essentially finished talking about Lynch All Liars. I stressed my point many times, and felt that it was enough and didn't need to be reopened. You say that I continued to talk about the LaL policy up.


Also, ET, you're first quote...:
<quote>
...is in response to gumshoe. Go back and look at it. I didn't feel the need to add a quote because his post was one or two above mine, and was "easily" associated with it. It's not a continuation, it's a response. Don't make it out like it is.


I say that you continued to talk about the LaL policy because... you did. you spent almost 2/3 of the day cycle on the topic when it really should only be talked about briefly, if at all. The fact that that quote is towards gumshoe, and not layabout, does not change the fact that your only contributions to the thread was this policy discussion that doesn't even really relate to any people in the thread. you said somewhere that first goal of town is to look innocent: I feel that you're taking that knowledge in mind as a mafioso and trying to look pro-town, when you're really not.

Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 00:38 Jitsu wrote:
Secondly, you say that my case on prphlz is flimsy.

How many games have you played? Have you ever mis-read the name of a player? It's generally the first thing I look at when someone posts. I don't "get all giddy and assume" that it's someone. You think prphlz would just go right by a nametag at the top of a post, and assume it's someone? Please. You and I both know he is better then that.

How does that not give outside communication? Curu already say they weren't PMing, so that kills that reason.

I don't think I have EVER seen a legit case built off of an fn posting mistake. prplhz just has a severe case of sheeping; he sees the red text, he wants to follow teh leader. you're also heavily implicating a prplhz-Curu scumbuddy connection, without providing any basis for it except for "no one could possibly misread a name". if you wanted to build a real case you would have done more work on prplhz' other posts, but of course, you don't want to do that.

Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 01:21 Curu wrote:
Get off Jitsu. There is no reason for Mafia to spew something stupid like that if him and Jackal are opposite alignments.

1. Jackal Town Jitsu Mafia = why protect Jackal with something dumb right now, should just go with it and let us case formers take the fall after flip

2. Jackal Town Jitsu Town = can explain his actions

3. Jackal Mafia Jitsu Town = can explain his actions

4. Jackal Mafia Jitsu Mafia = can explain his actions

In scenario 1 Jitsu could easily be setting himself up for a good D2 mislynch: "see guys I knew jackal wasn't mafia. let's kill prplhz, he was a big sheep on that case". He didn't exactly proclaim Jackal's, nor confront the more solid cases against him, so it's not like he's "protecting" jackal that much at all. To me it looks like he's putting in the seed of a case that he knows won't germinate until later.

Scenario 4 I could see happening, but I see Jitsu as way more likely to flip Mafia. The train of people voting for Jackal screams bandwagon. I'm not changing my vote.


First of all, there is a difference between responding to people in the thread when they ask me something, and continuing to talk about something that doesn't help the town. See what you are doing right now? You're responding. It's a main component to conversation, or discussion. Coming up with a bullshit case that I kept going on about "policy" when I tried to reiterate a large number of times that instead of enforcing a policy, we should hold people accountable, is putting words in my mouth. If anything, you're bringing this shit up more, after "2/3 of the Day Cycle" is actually up, since the last time I spoke of it was five hours into the game. Stop trying to dramatize shit and make it look much worse then it actually is.

Secondly, I could care less if you have never seen a posting mistake lead to a lynch. That's part of the reason there's no editing in forum mafia. Right? But then again, you come to the attempt of trying to be aggressive, by saying I don't want to do any work. Is it better then coming out and making a case that is 100% incorrect? Yes. I think my point is an extremely valid one, more so then a simple "He was answering other peoples concerns about his idea, so he must be scum."

JubJubJubJub.

Everyone is saying that Jackal's case was based on meta. He's playing very similar to how I saw him play in Storm. He flipped town. That was one reason I didn't vote for him.
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
March 12 2012 20:38 GMT
#331
Hm, with Jackal's claim it might be best to leave him alive for now. He's claimed something that's easily confirmable. We can have Jackal shoot and either post his target in the thread right before night ends or claim in a PM to someone. If his target and Jackal are still alive that means that one of them is Mafia.
wat
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 12 2012 20:42 GMT
#332
Jitsu, you're doing a good job of attacking the attacker instead of defending your actual reason for voting. I'm surprised that after allt hat has happened int his thread your best reason to vote for someone is that they mistook two names that look similar
RIP Aaliyah
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 12 2012 20:42 GMT
#333
I see no particular reason to believe or disbelieve Jackal58's claim, it hasn't changed how I think that he's scum.

I'd really like to be around for deadline but I'm going to bed soon. I expect Jackal58 to be dead tomorrow.

@Curu There's probably a role blocker since that's the most common scum role around, and all other common bases are covered with they funky KP powers.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 12 2012 20:43 GMT
#334
Player A: He made a reading error! He's scum!

JubJub: That makes so much sense....we better lynch him. Only scum would mess up their posts because they have the advantage of coordinating with a team that tells them what and when to post!
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 12 2012 20:43 GMT
#335
On March 13 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
I see no particular reason to believe or disbelieve Jackal58's claim, it hasn't changed how I think that he's scum.

I'd really like to be around for deadline but I'm going to bed soon. I expect Jackal58 to be dead tomorrow.

@Curu There's probably a role blocker since that's the most common scum role around, and all other common bases are covered with they funky KP powers.

There's no scum roles. Roleblocker is one of the KP powers, read the OP
RIP Aaliyah
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 12 2012 20:43 GMT
#336
Doesn't even matter if there's a roleblocker around, he can just claim roleblocked either way if he's scum.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 12 2012 20:44 GMT
#337
Oh sorry about that, I'm tired.

You still suck DoctorHelvetica.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 12 2012 20:44 GMT
#338
prplhz stop that.

STOP THAT RIGHT NOW.

Caller is using you bro. You're a blunt object. How does it feel?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
March 12 2012 20:46 GMT
#339
That's fine, it's a poor role to RB anyways unless they know his target. I think we should leave him for now, it's a very tough role for Mafia to fakeclaim (as opposed to something like DT) and there was no absolute guarantee he was going to be lynched.
wat
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
March 12 2012 20:51 GMT
#340
My Rattata and I need friends.
I am voting for the person who put the least effort into voting Jackal and this is Node. It's D1 and I don't want to lose him. We can verify his claim at any time.
Also
Jackal's Town: He gets roleblocked. Mafia loses 0.5KP every Night.
Jackal's Scum: Thanks to basic math we might work out that he is lying about roleblocks.
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