TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia - Page 14

That meme is some good stuff. I love you Jackal.

So, let's get this ball rolling, then.

I'm not sure I want to comment on Lurkers or anything yet. Looking at the player list, I think everyone will have a decently good job of staying active enough to contribute to a pro-town atmosphere. No one really stands out to me as a lurking player, so enough of that. 1

Also, this is going to be pretty much a direct rip from my first post in Storm. It's something that I think should set the mood for town discussion.

I hate liars, unless there is a clear and logical reason to do so (blue prolonging his anonymity, ect.), anyone lying should (and will) be 100% held accountable for the actions they decided to run with. Does anyone in anyway disagree with this, and if so, why?

I will hold myself to the same standard, and anyone who is found blatantly lying, crossing stories, anything of that sort is going to be pushed by me, and i'd like to assume that the majority of the town players can agree with me on that.1

What about lying in PM's? In what situation would you use it? Can you logically and clearly explain you're reasoning to the rest of the town when the lie is brought out to the forums?

If yes - yes, I would be ok with that.
If no - no, don't lie.

Simple.

Again, calculated lies are something that could potentially have high risk/low reward. Remember that as well.2

So, a player that is, according to you:
1. lying
2. playing illogically
3. playing anti-town

...has the potential to not be lynched because we might think they are town?3

No. That person will be getting my vote, and I will be doing what I can to push for their lynch, especially if those three things come up. You can do whatever you want with your vote, I guess.

I don't have to click that link, because those were the two people I was thinking about from Arkham as well. Part of me thinks that they were allowed to run rampant around because they weren't held accountable for the shit they did.

If I remember correctly, RGTS made it alive to the end, or close to it. Instead of him, would you think town would have benefit from someone who didn't spout lies every other post? I certainly do.

So again, just because townies lie, don't think logically, and play anti-town, yes, I, and I hope you, will hold them accountable for that.4

Hmmm, looking at it again, I think prphlz's reason to vote for Jackal is a much larger amount of bullshit then Caller's. For instance, you point out that he is using things such as



That yells sarcasm to me a lot more then it screams scum.

Wiggles brings up a good point. prphlz is a player that wouldn't just happen to miss the name of someone that posted. It's almost like prphlz was waiting for Curu to post something, realized he fucked up, then tried to cover it. 6

It's not surprising that prphlz mistakes Curu for Caller, and then 10 minutes later, Curu ACTUALLY comes out with a small little case against Jackal as well.

Shit reeks.5

##vote prphlz

So it seems that the flow of conversation has been something like this:

1. LaL policy lynch trolololol for a few pages
2. people making nonsense cases on each other to arouse "reactions"
3. fastest forming bandwagon on Jackal ever

Town needs to rebuild a conducive atmosphere, it's clear that Mafia has been trying to distract with all the LAL talk. I'm going to focus on someone I feel is exhibiting a lot Mafia traits, Jitsu.

The ironic thing here is that Jitsu hounds constantly against one anti-town activity, but is doing another anti-town activity himself, aka his incessant dedication to policy lynching/policy lynching discussion.



1. When talking about lynching lurkers Jitsu states his opinion and gets off it easily enough. just state your opinion on a matter, let town know, easy enough. but then begins the escapade of talking about LA Liars incessantly. Policy lynching is rehashed every game and there is simply no need to dwell on it long. it's like spending a lot of time talking about blues or setup; you're only doing it because you have nothing else to talk about. with that in mind Jitsu finds the need to continually argue with layabout on the subject as such:



There's really no need to carry on this discussion this long; being stubborn and keeping a consistent opinion is a good way to try and look constructive, but in reality the majority of your posts are content-less. They are all just fluffed up varieties of "liars are bad lynch them", and you're just ignoring contrasting opinions to you so that you can post more. problems with your posts:

2. The first part of your post ur like "lies can be good and bad. simple". and it is simple. but the second half of your post you try and make the matter seem complicated with your "lies could potentially be scarry... remmeber that". ??? There's no need for you to try and fear-monger here, especially when in the very same post you acknoledge that lies can be calculated and logical.

3.people who play bad =/= mafia and that fact that you blatantly ignore this with your "NOPE NOPE lying is bad" is pretty glaring. Gumshoe, in Surprisingly Normal VII is pretty indicative of this: his early posts were bad and everyone was like "lol look at this scum", but if you actually analyzed his motivations it was clear he was a hapless newbie. you're giving yourself a reason to auto-lynch someone off of "policy", and when it comes up that the dude was just did a town gambit, you'll respond "well he was being anti-town and I will never consider the slight possibility that an anti-town person could be town." -.-

4. you hold people who play anti-town accountable by telling them in thread "ur playing bad stop". your version of holding people accountable is "push to lynch them off of pre-determined reason". policy lynches are bad because you don't have to use actual reasoning to advance them. you're ignoring layabout's point, that we should focus on lynching scum, whereas you are focusing on lynching people who are "bad". 95% of my cases as scum have been on people who were playing bad, and I passed it off as "well he was playing terribly anti-town good riddance". This is NOT an acceptable way to conduct lynches, especially considering this is supposed to be a higher level game.


Remember that this is essentially all Jitsu has been talking about all game. what's the motivation for him to do this and only this? He harps on these purported anti-town figures instead of actually hunting for people acting anti-town, which he could easily do with the type of posting that has gone on thus far.


Finally, Jitsu's first "case"


5. Super flimsy case. you just cherry picked the person who put the least substantial case on Jackal, then fabricated reasons why prplhz's actions are scummy. Your case boils down to "I think your case on Jackal is wrong", and "a town prplhz would not mistake Curu's name for Caller". Do I even need to explain why this is so fake? voting someone off of a mistaken name? jesus ur scum