EPTProposal to Revamp the Banlist - Page 7
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:40 GMarshal wrote: Not at the moment, I'll talk with R1CH, but in the meantime, I think TL bans might be a good way to enforce behavior. What is banworthy? Would you ban me for my behavior in the Sleeper Cell post game thread? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I think GM was referring to 3 games played with no incidents and the previous bans expire - that's how I read it anyway. It forces them to shape up if they want to play, and allows their good behavior to reduce bans they might receive as a result of a relapse or whatever. Edit: Yeah, ninjas abound. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:47 GMarshal wrote: Flamewheel, when I say "three games played" I mean, after that person has sat out the ban, and played three other games of mafia to their conclusion, he gets the ban struck from the record. Three was a hypothetical number, it could be five, or seven depending on what we decide. 10 is a good round number. Inactivity kills games, punishments should be severe. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:48 redFF wrote: What is banworthy? Would you ban me for my behavior in the Sleeper Cell post game thread? Probably not, what was determined there was a warning, right? You'd probably get a slap on the wrist from me in the form of a warning, and me telling you to please respect the host's wishes in the future. Something around the lines of This is a Warning! Come on, you know better than to post like that... If the host tell you to cut it out, then please listen to him, if you want to complain about how the game was run, do so respectfully. If a host refuses to listen or says something like "never criticize me or I'll lobby to get you banned!" then PM me, but a host's thread is pretty much sacred ground. Thanks in advance for your cooperation GMarshal Of course if it happened again, then it would probably be banworthy. On February 16 2012 10:49 redFF wrote: 10 is a good round number. Inactivity kills games, punishments should be severe. 10 is probably way too high, most people who are "vets" here haven't played more than say 20, 3-5 is more the range I was thinking of. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:54 redFF wrote: and how long would bans you hand out be. Depends on the severity of the offense, past history, etc. Probably a base 2 day ban, but it depends. | ||
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redFF
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:47 GMarshal wrote: Flamewheel, when I say "three games played" I mean, after that person has sat out the ban, and played three other games (not Minis, full 20+ person games) of mafia to their conclusion, he gets the ban struck from the record. Three was a hypothetical number, it could be five, or seven depending on what we decide. This sounds reasonable to me. On February 16 2012 10:56 GMarshal wrote: Depends on the severity of the offense, past history, etc. Probably a base 2 day ban, but it depends. In the instance of someone being active in another game of mafia at the time, what would the policy be? Would the ban be stayed to the end of the game? If so I think it would be great. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 16 2012 10:56 redFF wrote: You'd take past history outside mafia into account? Depends on how long you've been in tl mafia, I've you've been here for 15 games and have shown generally good behavior, but one day you flip out, then I'd take that into account, if you are a PBU, with 17 bans/warnings for flaming and balance whining and this is your second game, then yes, that will weigh against you. On February 16 2012 10:58 Blazinghand wrote: In the instance of someone being active in another game of mafia at the time, what would the policy be? Would the ban be stayed to the end of the game? If so I think it would be great. Yes, of course, it wouldn't do to sabotage another game. On February 16 2012 10:58 prplhz wrote: Wait ... are you planning on moderating game behavior with forum wide bans or just out-of-game behavior? If you get bans for behavior in a game, I intend to enforce it with TL wide bans, this is still part of TL, although some standards may be relaxed in game (e.g. image macros), some things, like say flaming the host during the game repeatedly, can still get you tl bans. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Some hosts are more lenient than others when it comes to behaviour, so I'm wondering if you'd be interrupting game flow, or if this would only be after the host has decided to modkill someone. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
I think calling someone an idiot and cursing is perfectly acceptable. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Would you would only ban in the event someone is modkilled in a game, or for general behaviour? To clarify, are you saying you'll apply TL standards to all posts at your own discrection, or that if someone's modkilled for behaviour, you'll also temp them? Some hosts are more lenient than others when it comes to behaviour, so I'm wondering if you'd be interrupting game flow, or if this would only be after the host has decided to modkill someone. I thought the idea was that if a host modkills someone for bad behavior, or there's some serious badness happening there would be a TL temp ban. For inactivity and stuff it would just be a mafia ban, and of course there is a certain amount of trash-talk in game that you wouldn't see say in Sc2 General? On February 16 2012 11:07 redFF wrote: But then we have to go back to the point about what is and isn't acceptable. I think calling someone an idiot and cursing is perfectly acceptable. I've definitely called people morons in the context of a game, and I have also cursed, and in what I consider an acceptable fashion. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Would you would only ban in the event someone is modkilled in a game, or for general behaviour? To clarify, are you saying you'll apply TL standards to all posts at your own discrection, or that if someone's modkilled for behaviour, you'll also temp them? Some hosts are more lenient than others when it comes to behaviour, so I'm wondering if you'd be interrupting game flow, or if this would only be after the host has decided to modkill someone. Like all bans this would be post game. E.G. say Ver is hosting Pants on Head Mafia!, and he had to modkill Qatol for repeatedly calling flamewheel a "qtp2e" after being asked to stop four times, he then posts in the ban list "Qatol did ____! and I had to modkill him for it", then I look into it and see if it merits a tl ban or just a temporary ban from TL Mafia, depending on how clear cut it is, we put it up for general discussion. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I don't like the GMarshal As Supreme Benign Overlord plan because I don't think he's representative of the entire population of this sub forum at all. He is definitely material for any smaller committee. I think forum wide bans for anything done in a game of mafia is absolutely unnecessary and a very bad idea. Modkill them and then if they still act up when they've been modkilled, then swing the hammer. Getting 2 days forum wide for calling somebody a moron is ludicrous, and I've been called moron my fair share of times. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:11 prplhz wrote: I think forum wide bans for anything done in a game of mafia is absolutely unnecessary and a very bad idea. Modkill them and then if they still act up when they've been modkilled, then swing the hammer. Getting 2 days forum wide for calling somebody a moron is ludicrous, and I've been called moron my fair share of times. Go try it in sc2 strategy and see if you get away with it :-P Bans would be for over the top stuff or when someone does it repeatedly after being asked to stop. I don't mind being called stupid repeatedly, but it drives newbies away, and its unacceptable on the rest of tl, so if a host feels the need to enforce rules against it in his game, and a player refuses to listen, I have no issue banning. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:10 GMarshal wrote: Like all bans this would be post game. E.G. say Ver is hosting Pants on Head Mafia!, and he had to modkill Qatol for repeatedly calling flamewheel a "qtp2e" after being asked to stop four times, he then posts in the ban list "Qatol did ____! and I had to modkill him for it", then I look into it and see if it merits a tl ban or just a temporary ban from TL Mafia, depending on how clear cut it is, we put it up for general discussion. Horrible horrible idea. If Qatol does something Ver finds unacceptable then Ver should just modkill him. If Qatol continues being a nuisance after having been modkilled then swing dat hammer, but in-game stuff should stay on this sub forum. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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