EPTIt´s an unknown mechanic that we can not rely on. We can rely on the lynch, and my last nightkill before I die, that´s it. The Riddler game is an unknown factor.
That Evantrees would use it to defend RayzorFlash strikes me as suspicious though.
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
It´s an unknown mechanic that we can not rely on. We can rely on the lynch, and my last nightkill before I die, that´s it. The Riddler game is an unknown factor. That Evantrees would use it to defend RayzorFlash strikes me as suspicious though. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
With an obsessive-compulsive need for attention, Edward Nigma is determined to be the cleverest of Gotham City’s criminals, plotting elaborate trails of clues and riddles around his crimes. Batman has proved to be a worthy opponent and after thwarting the riddlers efforts on arkham island, he is back to prove himself the most intelligent. Beginning day 1 you must give the host 1 of 2 of the following options. Give the names of 6 people. Over the course of 3 game days, these players are given riddles (you provide each). On the first two nights the first person to correctly answer the riddle is safe from death and removed from the riddle game. On the last night the first two people to correctly answer the riddle are safe from the riddle game as well. The final two are killed. Second option. Choose 8 people. Over the course of 4 game days these players are given riddles (you provide each). On the first three nights the first person to correctly answer the riddle is safe and removed from the riddle game. On the last night the first two people to correctly submit the answer are safe and the remaining three are killed. Roleblocks do not stop your power, nor does you being eliminated. The game must go on. we pretty much now everything about it. and if evantrees and rayzor seem scummy to you (which they do to me too), evantrees should be the one you lynch. I don't want to lynch anyone who is bound to die to riddles anyways. Same applies to JB. | ||
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evantrees
Canada497 Posts
The game goes on even though the riddler is dead. Will it kill anyone I'm doubtful, but should we waste a chance at kp hitting suspected scum by lynching them beforehand is my problem. We have alot of day left so let's try and find the other two. until then sure ##vote RayzorFlash Right that's what I should have done, gone over the voting unvoting. On February 18 2012 20:28 Forumite wrote: Votes Day 3, including chagned votes + Show Spoiler + - rgTheSchworz - 0 - Bill Murray - 0 - Evantrees - 0 - Risk.nuke - 0 - Tyrran - 1 Bill Murray - Tunkeg - 0 - hiro protagonist - 1 Jayjay54 - Radfield - 9 Forumite Tunkeg Palmar Toadesstern Kurumi -_-Quails Katina Adam4167 jaybrundage - Palmar - 1 hiro protagonist - Forumite - 1 rgTheSchworz - rayzorflash - 2 layabout chaoser - Chaoser - 6 Kitaman27 risk.nuke Radfield RayzorFlash VisceraEyes Evantrees Rayzorflash and Evantrees looks Scum Katina looks Town. I´ll back off from rg for now, but from this I think the lynch should be between either RayzorFlash or Evantrees for their last desperate defence of Radfield. Not a good sign when my first thought about that is wait what? Time to go to sleep. On February 14 2012 08:47 evantrees wrote: I will claim if I have to, but I would rather not give scum that information unless absolutely necessary. I would rather try to force mafia/third parties to resolve the radfield/palmer nonsense. while we try to get rid of deadshot/hugo. This bugged me as well I keep forgetting to ask this, for instance when I was complaining about nonsense from sorry RayzorFlash. Could batman/catwoman have killed Ra's al ghul with one shot despite it taking two shots to kill Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze. That and going along with kita because he wanted to shoot people is a last desperate defence of Radfield? True I didn't see too much harm in waiting a day to see if scum would shoot radfield. Lynching radfield was best case lynch a roleblocker worst case lynch a DT. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Thinking about it, RayzorFlash looks way better than Evantrees. RayzorFlash was voted on due to Kitaman, and changed to Chaoser after Kitaman asked him, while Evantrees got attention when a confirmed scum tried to distance himself from him with a weak case based on "His filter says nothing". ##unvote RayzorFlash ##vote Evantrees | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
So anyone who got offended/annoyed at me, I'm sorry, maybe my flip explains it a bit. | ||
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-_-Quails
Australia796 Posts
On February 18 2012 21:10 evantrees wrote: Was working off the posted riddler role pm plus stuff kita has posted. I did ask if I could post that I had escaped. The game goes on even though the riddler is dead. Will it kill anyone I'm doubtful, but should we waste a chance at kp hitting suspected scum by lynching them beforehand is my problem. We have alot of day left so let's try and find the other two. until then sure ##vote RayzorFlash Right that's what I should have done, gone over the voting unvoting. Not a good sign when my first thought about that is wait what? Time to go to sleep. That and going along with kita because he wanted to shoot people is a last desperate defence of Radfield? True I didn't see too much harm in waiting a day to see if scum would shoot radfield. Lynching radfield was best case lynch a roleblocker worst case lynch a DT. ##vote evantrees | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
He's been posting lists all game, that's half the reason I thought he was suspicious the other day. The other half is because he posts gems like this: On February 18 2012 19:54 evantrees wrote: I'm an idiot................. unsure what I should do about that as of yet.(posted in votethread by mistake) Have to start somewhere(also look a few posts up), to an extent solidifies my opinion on rayzorflash being scum, kind of doubting only two scum voted for cheese but it is possible I suppose. We have to lynch/shoot 3 scum there is no great need to start with those who just might die to riddler from beyond the grave. That said I kind of doubt rayzorflash will end up dieing to riddler tonight. What opinion that rayzorflash is scum? You haven't given any opinion about him this game (or really anyone for that matter). This is the first time you've said anything concrete about him. The lack of consistency in your posting is incredibly noticeable. I don't mind people posting lists but you are sure posting a lot of them. ##Vote: evantrees I'm also curious why you think he might survive the Riddler game. It seems silly to me to lynch him when he might end up dying anyway (I think he's suspicious so I want him dead too). It does not look like there is a way to survive the Riddler game, and the mafia medic is dead anyways. | ||
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RayzorFlash
Canada253 Posts
Evan: I had two scum reads on the day we lynched Radfield... Rad and Chaoser. I also made the mistake of taking Kita at his word and was willing to first get myself lynched, and second lynch chaoser, in order to unlock those 3 KPs which I felt would be incredibly valuable. Meanwhile, your reason to vote for Chaoser was pointless and weak. Jayjay: Lol, I don't hate you, your last defense post was very solid and I don't think you're scum... I was just pointing out the similarity between your behavior and VE's behavior... It's not scummy to the point of me thinking you're scum, but its still scummier than other people I agree with the stuff about Schworz... The ONE thing we're relying on for a town-read from him is that Kurumi shot him night 1... If that's untrue, my entire town-read of him crumbles apart... At this point, I'm likely to believe that he's scum moreso than town, just because we know that Kurumi was going for his win condition and doing everything in his power to draw out his targets, and he hinted at leaving a poison pill behind... My vote goes on Evantrees. Why exactly do you think I'm scum again?? I read through your filter and you have no real reason in there whatsoever... You're voting for me only because I wasn't voting for Radfield? By that logic, you should be scum too, because thats exactly what you did :S Would also be fine with voting Hiro and Schworz... Hiro is like a WIFOM machine over and over and over... | ||
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RayzorFlash
Canada253 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I think I've come to a conclusion on our last 3 scum As there is literally no way in hell I'm surviving tonight, I want to post my cases today so there is some directions for tomorrows survivors to follow. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I spent 45 minutes writing a case about how I believe Jackal shot at evantrees N1 and Hugo intercepted the shot, and while I still believe that to be the case, it came down to largely speculation without concrete proof. Instead, lets just look in evantrees filter. One thing that stood out to me straight away is this quote On February 11 2012 20:20 evantrees wrote: and why am I still up I don't know. which comes from this post, link. This is a guilty mind. You expected to die, yet you didn't, and you're surprised. This, in addition to what Katina, Forumite and RayzorFlash have pointed out is enough to seal the deal for me. Hiro Protagonist I think VE switching off of Hiro as soon as Kurumi popped up was telling. Lets look at the hypothetical here. Scum VE (confirmed) is pushing 'town' Hiro, which will be backed by JayJay (who has been hating on Hiro all game) and then all but confirmed 3rd party Kurumi comes along, says one line, and bam, VE jumps off of Hiro, then onto Kurumi. I ask you, how does that make any sense. Catwoman was effectively a member of the scumteam, so why would the scum GF, jump off of a scummy looking 'townie' to try and hang a 3rd party? If the scum had sealed a mislynch on a townie right there, that would have been close to game over. Scum with 3KP, catwoman with 1. The only logical explanation I have is that VE and Hiro were both scum, started the day off by attacking each other and then jumped onto Kurumi by days end. It fits with this scum teams mission statement of bussing the crap out of each other wherever possible. And finally.. JayJay54 -He has posts in his filter emphasising how new he is. -His flipflopping on Sheth D1 was quite bad. First he's '75% agreed scum', then he's 'unconvinced' by the cases put forward, then he cant read him at all. -He tries to get Palmar hanged. A running theme for our scums. -His filter is filled with 'RAAAR IM AN ANGRY MAN', which is similar to gonzaw in Newbie Mini Mafia II -He calls Hiro scum over a dozen times before finally voting him on D3, even after classing him as his highest scumread on both D1 and D2. -His voting pattern indicates he always avoids the main lynches, except the sheth one, but the whole town was on that. Discuss. | ||
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evantrees
Canada497 Posts
@RayzorFlash Thinking chaoser is scum, wanting to give a potential dt another day and having no problem with us getting more kp. The middle part makes my reason pointless and weak? Wrong list, because you(well ico) were voting for cheese and I know I'm not scum, but yes I am on that list as well. As for the distancing nonsense hmm have to take a look at Radfields filter again.. On February 18 2012 22:18 Forumite wrote: Evantrees, without previously (having?) voted you went for Chaoser very late in the day, helping to build the alternative bandwagon. It was clear for a long time that it would be between Chaoser and Radfield, and that it wouldn´t take many votes to shift the lynch to Chaoser instead. It was at that time that Kitaman told everyone to vote Chaoser, and you, RayzorFlash and 2 confirmed scum immediately joined the alternative bandwagon in order to save Radfield. Furthermore you and RayzorFlash were secondary candidates that day, RayzorFlash due to Kitaman pointing him out, and you earlier when Radfield built a weak case on you, yet no other scum jumped on it, making it look like a distancing rather than a serious attempt to get you lynched. We know that the bandwagon on you early Day 4 was started by Radfield, and no other scum were on it. That doesn´t speak in your favor either. Thinking about it, RayzorFlash looks way better than Evantrees. RayzorFlash was voted on due to Kitaman, and changed to Chaoser after Kitaman asked him, while Evantrees got attention when a confirmed scum tried to distance himself from him with a weak case based on "His filter says nothing". ##unvote RayzorFlash ##vote Evantrees I was yes undecided on the radfield stuff and I did think chaoser was scum mostly for a stupid reason it seems. On February 10 2012 08:38 evantrees wrote: Kurumi I like you for some damned reason. Unless BC randomly cut the day length in half I'm pretty sure you have more than 24 hours still, why wait to post them, to make sure they are non missed just repost them all before the lynch. Which players do you think are hurting town the most? Too much spam! Which players do you think are pushing a scum agenda? chaoser, he was anyways. Which players do you think are scum? chaoser On February 12 2012 13:12 evantrees wrote: I think Chaoser is scum, but that may just be me being bitter. The two main reasons I voted for Cyber_Cheese on day 1, Believing sheth and this. Was rather up in the air about who to vote for. On February 19 2012 04:45 Katina wrote: He's been posting lists all game, that's half the reason I thought he was suspicious the other day. The other half is because he posts gems like this: What opinion that rayzorflash is scum? You haven't given any opinion about him this game (or really anyone for that matter). This is the first time you've said anything concrete about him. The lack of consistency in your posting is incredibly noticeable. I don't mind people posting lists but you are sure posting a lot of them. ##Vote: evantrees I'm also curious why you think he might survive the Riddler game. It seems silly to me to lynch him when he might end up dying anyway (I think he's suspicious so I want him dead too). It does not look like there is a way to survive the Riddler game, and the mafia medic is dead anyways. I agree it is somewhat silly but pointing that out makes forumite think I'm scummy apparently. As for the lists I have to start somewhere, and as usual was not too sure how to contribute. Riddlers role pm. With an obsessive-compulsive need for attention, Edward Nigma is determined to be the cleverest of Gotham City’s criminals, plotting elaborate trails of clues and riddles around his crimes. Batman has proved to be a worthy opponent and after thwarting the riddlers efforts on arkham island, he is back to prove himself the most intelligent. Beginning day 1 you must give the host 1 of 2 of the following options. Give the names of 6 people. Over the course of 3 game days, these players are given riddles (you provide each). On the first two nights the first person to correctly answer the riddle is safe from death and removed from the riddle game. On the last night the first two people to correctly answer the riddle are safe from the riddle game as well. The final two are killed. Second option. Choose 8 people. Over the course of 4 game days these players are given riddles (you provide each). On the first three nights the first person to correctly answer the riddle is safe and removed from the riddle game. On the last night the first two people to correctly submit the answer are safe and the remaining three are killed. Roleblocks do not stop your power, nor does you being eliminated. The game must go on. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
You seem to think RayzorFlash is one, who are the other two? | ||
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RayzorFlash
Canada253 Posts
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
I will be back here around 1:00pm PST and will read and give my thoughts then. I am sorry for my absences, but thats how it goes sometimes. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:03 Adam4167 wrote: JayJay54 -He has posts in his filter emphasising how new he is.1 -His flipflopping on Sheth D1 was quite bad. First he's '75% agreed scum', then he's 'unconvinced' by the cases put forward, then he cant read him at all.2 -He tries to get Palmar hanged. A running theme for our scums.3 -His filter is filled with 'RAAAR IM AN ANGRY MAN', which is similar to gonzaw in Newbie Mini Mafia II4 -He calls Hiro scum over a dozen times before finally voting him on D3, even after classing him as his highest scumread on both D1 and D2.5 -His voting pattern indicates he always avoids the main lynches, except the sheth one, but the whole town was on that.6 1 No, I don't. The only post, where I mention that this is my second game is where I provide my previous game. I never apologize for being new player. Not a single time....Can you point out posts? 2 No I don't. In the very post where I agree 75% that Sheth is scum, I already mention that I can't read him. I also make a huge case on Doc and vote him. This is selective reading you do. 3 I still think that hanging palmar wouldn't have been a bad play. He killed VE and left. Joker would probably killed the same and would drawn a scum KP. 4 No. Not true. I never OMGUS. I defend myself against every case by choice. But I am not angry and never react angry. Can you point out posts? 5 I make a freaking huge case D1 on Doc here. That's why I voted him D1. He was my biggest scumread that day. D2 we had a red check and I immediatly pushed for the Sheth lynch then. Sorry I didn't vote hiro then. Where do I point out that he's my biggest scumread? I voted my biggest scum reads. 6 I already made a post on that. I don't vote the "main lynches", when I am not convinced. I could't read Sheth D1 as I mentioned, so I voted my biggest scumread / case Doc. I was unsure about Rad/Palmar, so I voted my biggest scumread. But again, selective reading. I was one of the first to fight for the Sheth lynch D2 (no-brainer, but people started to stray), I pushed for Kurumi / VE, too, which was 100% the right play. Why do I not get credit for that, scum KP is reduced from 4 to 2, because of my EXACT suggestion. what is interesting in this case is that some point are just plain out wrong. Some posts you point out, you take out of context and pick the passages fitting your case. The way you construct your case is different from rayzor's and tunkeg's way...Not good, I thought of you as 100% protown, I will revaluate now... | ||
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Sweden3280 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
6. Jayjay54 13. jaybrundage 21. rayzorflash 22. Evantrees 23. -_-qualis 24. forumite 27. rgtheschworz 30. Katina 31. Adam4167 There are 10 players alive and so far only 5 have voted, 4 on Evantrees and Evantrees on RayzorFlash. That´s not much this late in the day. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On February 19 2012 19:48 Forumite wrote: Jayjay54, what´s your opinion on the rest of Adam4167's list? Of the three on that list you are the one that I´m most unsure about, so I´d love to hear your opinions and reads. adam's case against me confused me a little. the way he constructed it and stated things plain out wrong, will have me going through his posts again... Yet, I believe adam's town for now and agree with both other cases. evantrees didn't do shit and the only reason he got off many lists, is because he basically disappeared. hiro was scummy to me all game, but the thing that his lynch has basically no opposition bothers me. the third on my list is rayzor. rg looks bad too. but claimed... here is a post where I elaborate my reads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850¤tpage=188#3754 who do you want to see dead, my dearest vig friend | ||
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But I guess that's kinda in the calculation right now.
