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On February 19 2012 19:48 Forumite wrote:
Jayjay54, what´s your opinion on the rest of Adam4167's list? Of the three on that list you are the one that I´m most unsure about, so I´d love to hear your opinions and reads.
Of the 3, hes the one I am also least sure of.
I see stuff in JayJays filter that I don't like, but there are also things that stand out as things scum probably wouldn't say. Is that WIFOM? yes. But I still cant ignore it being there.
Yes I was selective with your posts/quotes, you have a giant filter, and you seem to be unsure a lot of the time.
See this is what im hung up on-
10 players:
Hiro
JayJay
jaybrundage
RayzorFlash
evantrees
Myself
Quails
Forumite
Schworz
Katina
I start by removing myself. I know you guys cant confirm it... but its my list. Next, Forumite, hes penguin, that's entirely confirmable through the nightkills and lack of CC. Qauils was checked by nuke, nuke flipped who he said he was, so Quails is town. Schworz started breadcrumbing Freeze on day 2, Kurumi claimed a shot on him N1, and I cant see where else catwoman would have shot after the events of D1. Kurumi was also the only one calling him a Vet when everyone else was still guessing he was otherwise, on like D2 i believe. So Schworz comes off the list.
Now I'm down to 6 names:
Hiro
JayJay
RayzorFlash
evantrees
Katina
jaybrundage
50% of the people in this list are scum. Id like to remove Katina and jaybrundage for staying on the Radfield lynch, scum had every opportunity to jump off (Chaoser, RayzorFlash).
Four names, 3 of which are red:
Hiro
JayJay
RayzorFlash
evantrees
evantrees attacks RayzorFlash and votes for him, Rayzorflash reciprocates. I'd like to think scum cant afford to bus right now (I guess that's another assumption which will probably be proven false), which leaves me with 3 names.
This is where i'm at now. I'm forced to question if jaybrundage or katina was busing Radfield and just decided to stay on the lynch. Otherwise, scum are STILL busing each other today, and thus RayzorFlash goes back on the list.
A lot of this has just been my internal Monologue. This is a difficult situation and I think thinking out loud will give you guys a better idea of where I am at. I think we are already on the best course of action. evantrees gets hanged, probably Hiro gets shot by forumite. Whoever survives the night, will have to weed out the final scum tomorrow.
Assuming both of them flip red, then 2 town die at night, tomorrow is 5 v 1. That's two lynches to get it right.
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I'm leaning towards Evantrees, Hiro and rgtheschworz as the scumteam, with Evantrees my first priority. The reason I´m suspicious of Hiro is that so many scum have pushed him, almost like they made sure to distance themselves from their lurker brother. Noone defending him could be because of that.
I wish we had a DT around still.
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You were really selective and especially the "75% sheth" post explains my D1 actions completely which you just choose to ignore. You read that post, it was not about the filter size...
I am unsure day 3 and 1 yes. D3 are claiemd DT with a red check was hang, how can you NOT be unsure? D1 we mislynched...
How is it that you cross of katina and JB for the Radfield lynch and you ignore completely that I've been pushing the Kill of VE ever since nuke was confirmed? If you assume I was bussing the GF, why can' the others bus Rad.I like katina's few posts and her reads are correct. JB pushed hard for VEs death. Still, both are far from confirmed to me.
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I suppose I should claim now before I go to bed then?
On February 19 2012 11:03 Adam4167 wrote:evantreesI spent 45 minutes writing a case about how I believe Jackal shot at evantrees N1 and Hugo intercepted the shot, and while I still believe that to be the case, it came down to largely speculation without concrete proof. Instead, lets just look in evantrees filter. One thing that stood out to me straight away is this quote Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:20 evantrees wrote: and why am I still up I don't know. which comes from this post, link. This is a guilty mind. You expected to die, yet you didn't, and you're surprised. This, in addition to what Katina, Forumite and RayzorFlash have pointed out is enough to seal the deal for me.
and why am I still up I don't know.
It was 6 something am. like when I am posting this and have still not gone to sleep.
This is a guilty mind. You expected to die, yet you didn't, and you're surprised.
where did this come from exactly, misunderstanding what I was refering to there?
But yes I was kind of expecting to be shot by jackal given this post and my guess at how his role worked thanks to a video DocH posted. Almost wish he had, would have saved me from a bunch of nonsense.
On February 08 2012 03:10 Jackal58 wrote:A wild Chaoser appears!!!!!!! Being stalked by a wild Tobberoth!!!!!! People I have played with that need to post more: risk.nuke ~OpZ~ Your inactivity makes me nervous. People I don't know or don't know well that haven't posted jack shit: Slardar Tobberoth jaybrundage Tyrran ico evantreesKatina Adam4167 evantrees is scum. That's a scum question.
However jackal did post this as well, which may explain why he shot someone else.
On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 22:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 22:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He wasn't defending risk.nuke he was just posting his meta when someone asks. It's not up to him to prove he's town anyway, why don't you post out how he's so terribly scummy? He's scummy for saying nothing? You've said nothing and not only that you've flat out refused to explain your reasoning when asked directly. Apply that logic you're using against layabout to many other players and you'd reach the same conclusion. yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1.And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling. Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is. Remember No guts. No gory.
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Adam4167, I don´t think rgtheschworz should go off the list. He was "confirmed" by Kurumi, an anti-Town player. This were two of his posts when Kurumi called him out.
On February 12 2012 23:05 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Hoping I won t be wrong Kurumi. Damn you, you are Harley Quinn.
Please confirm. On February 12 2012 23:06 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I hope there‘s some empathy between us Kurumi.
I can understand that rgTheSchworz wasn´t sure what Kurumi was, he isn´t a DT after all, but the second post is very disturbing.
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For those complaining about my filter is it any worse or better than my previous two games, I am curious.
This is my third game.
First game Election Mafia as an Announcer
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=78429
second game TL Mafia L as a VT
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=78429
Adam is coming across a bit scummy to me. But in general I am too damned unsure on the 3 scum in the 7.
But for now lets say my list is.
rgtheschworz
RayzorFlash
Adam4167
On February 18 2012 18:18 Adam4167 wrote:
Do you think BM was trolling when he announced he took a hit on N1? Did we ever solve that?
This feels too much like scum asking if there is another medic out there to me.
Out of curiousity Adam4167 why do you think this late you will be shot by scum over -_-quails the confirmed townie?
Reading radfields filter I was getting a little less suspicious of rayzorflash then this pops up.
On February 14 2012 06:16 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 06:00 Tunkeg wrote:On February 14 2012 05:59 Tunkeg wrote:
Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch.
Does this mean that:
a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi?
b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would jumped all over this if they were Radfield were town and they were scum. EBWOP: Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch. Does this mean that: a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi? b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would have jumped all over this if they were scum and Radfield were town. Smart scum are smart. Lynching me is dumb. End of story. Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 06:03 kitaman27 wrote:On February 14 2012 05:58 Radfield wrote:Actually, this is why I thought that: Kitaman Wrote: The notion that Radfield is a town detective is pretty funny.
The scum team decides to leave Radfield, the town detective, alive and unblocked? lolol
He won't give his name until he is sure nobody else will claim it? lolol
His check just happens to be on the guy that died? lolol
He just happens to take a mysterious hit and survive by medic protection? lolol
He roleclaims after one check, making him useless for the rest of the game? lolol
Third party or scum, I don't trust him. Consider his motivations. Palmar is obviously being extremely anti-town as well. What happened Kita, got cold feet? From what I can see there you should be dead set on lynching me, yet now you are pushing to keep me alive. Care to explain? I just don't buy that your Calendar Man (I'm still not sure that he is even a real batman villian :p). Just because I think you're likely black, doesn't mean we can't coexist as long as you're benefiting town as well. I'm looking for red  What do you think about my case on Rayzor? I think it's pretty sound, and I think there is a decent chance ico/Rayzor will flip scum. When Ico voted for CC, Sheth was actually leading 5-4, which ties him directly to Sheth. Ico/Rayzor is number six on the list of 5 that I mentioned earlier: Chaoser, Tyran, opz, WBG, evantrees. I left him off because he voted quite a bit earlier in the day, but in retrospect I shouldn't have. I'm doing dinner and then going curling. I expect to no longer be leading the lynch when I get back.
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On February 19 2012 21:11 evantrees wrote:
Out of curiousity Adam4167 why do you think this late you will be shot by scum over -_-quails the confirmed townie?
Probably because I am every 2nd post in this thread, trying to solve this. If the scum leave me alive for another day, then good, Ill be doing more of the same tomorrow, drawing people out, trying to get better reads.
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Yes, it looks like a misunderstanding on my part evantrees.
In the same post you were talking about people being shot in the phonebooth, I assumed by 'up' you meant, alive, as in not down or dead. I didn't think you were referencing the time.
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On February 19 2012 21:11 evantrees wrote:
This feels too much like scum asking if there is another medic out there to me.
For the record, I was trying to figure out if Jackal shot at BM. Take it how you please though.
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On February 19 2012 21:33 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 21:11 evantrees wrote:
This feels too much like scum asking if there is another medic out there to me.
For the record, I was trying to figure out if Jackal shot at BM. Take it how you please though.
Why does that matter?
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Because i was trying to track where Jackals shot went on N1.
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Let me elaborate, if I could not find where jackals shot went, I was going to put forward the theory that he followed up his 'evantrees is scum' post, shot at him and Hugo blocked it.
I cant see how BM survived N1 with the information we have on the setup so far, so I just marked his hit claim down to trolling.
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I'll ask this a touch more directly
I suppose I should claim now before I go to bed then?
Should I claim before I go to sleep or when I wakeup?
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May as well do it now, if we need to switch elsewhere, id rather do it now then tomorrow an hour before the deadline.
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On Schworz:
He claimed the hit an hour after the day 2 post came up, way before any interaction with Kurumi. If Kurumi had DT'd him, discovered he was scum, Schworz would have to of been shot from somewhere else (where??) or be lying about that as well. Then, with no knowledge that Kurumi DT'd him (if he were scum), how would he know Kurumi would corroborate his story later.
Look at this post. With Kurumi's flip now revealed, I think this post is obviously telling the story of what happened on N1 between Schworz and Kurumi.
I think the level of synchronicity between them can only be explained by rG being a vet, Kurumi being catwoman.
rG can only be town.
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On February 19 2012 21:55 evantrees wrote:I'll ask this a touch more directly Should I claim before I go to sleep or when I wakeup?
Claim early if you want to claim at all. If you think it will save you from the lynch, go ahead and claim now.
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On February 19 2012 22:32 Adam4167 wrote:On Schworz: He claimed the hit an hour after the day 2 post came up, way before any interaction with Kurumi. If Kurumi had DT'd him, discovered he was scum, Schworz would have to of been shot from somewhere else (where??) or be lying about that as well. Then, with no knowledge that Kurumi DT'd him (if he were scum), how would he know Kurumi would corroborate his story later. Look at this post. With Kurumi's flip now revealed, I think this post is obviously telling the story of what happened on N1 between Schworz and Kurumi. I think the level of synchronicity between them can only be explained by rG being a vet, Kurumi being catwoman. rG can only be town.
Good point about him claiming a hit early. Okay, rg is town.
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Gah, lurking 'townies' are making this even harder then it needs to be
jaybrundage and katina, get in here, put some thoughts on paper so we can discuss them.
Ill be back in about 8 hours or so, sleeping.
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I am Bane the vet and I have done a terrible job with it, I am sorry for that.
Still terrible at trying to get shot by scum,and contributing in general.
Also sorry I don't have anything extra role related to contribute.
forumite Penguin Risk DTed +other stuff
-_-qualis Risk DTed
Evantrees
So who are we lynching today
RayzorFlash
jaybrundage
Jayjay54
rgtheschworz
Katina
Adam4167
Hiro Protagonist
These two might still die to the riddler, not sure if that should affect our decision.
rayzorflash
jaybrundage
Goodnight. er morning whatever going to sleep.
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Veteran and useless detectives are popular scumclaims, just like Radfield claimed useless detective, Evantrees claims useless powerrole. I think we can test this however, we simply lynch someone else, then I shoot Evantrees tonight. If he dies then he´s scum or liar, if he survives then he must be Town, because scum don´t have any roleblocks or Medics left. Sure, he loses the point of being a veteran when he takes a bullet, but he won´t attract bullets anyway, so I might as well confirm a Townie instead of shooting into the dark. If I shoot Bane then at worst he dies anyway to scum.
Thoughts?
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