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On December 24 2011 08:05 sephirotharg wrote:
Whoops. I should recuse myself at this point from the game - modkill me please, and replace me. I didn't read the rules carefully enough, and edited one of my earlier posts to change some contradictory wording. Assuming hosts agree, I'll no longer be participating in this game for breaking the rules.
Errr, that post was during signups, before the game actually started, so it's fine. You would get a warning first anyway.
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On December 24 2011 08:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 08:05 sephirotharg wrote:
Whoops. I should recuse myself at this point from the game - modkill me please, and replace me. I didn't read the rules carefully enough, and edited one of my earlier posts to change some contradictory wording. Assuming hosts agree, I'll no longer be participating in this game for breaking the rules. Errr, that post was during signups, before the game actually started, so it's fine. You would get a warning first anyway.
Oh I'm an idiot. Loaded Shraft's filter for that, disregard the pregame stuff
This is the post in question
Tell us the differences between how it was originally and how it is now, as far as I can tell the edit was not malicious in nature, and would only get a warning.
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On December 24 2011 08:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 08:05 sephirotharg wrote:
Whoops. I should recuse myself at this point from the game - modkill me please, and replace me. I didn't read the rules carefully enough, and edited one of my earlier posts to change some contradictory wording. Assuming hosts agree, I'll no longer be participating in this game for breaking the rules. Errr, that post was during signups, before the game actually started, so it's fine. You would get a warning first anyway.
He edited this post as well.
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On December 24 2011 07:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 03:38 sephirotharg wrote:RE: GiygaS No, you misinterpreted my post - I expected somebody to notice that part about me lurking long before they did - I didn't expect to get votes so early! You see, mafia will tend to push for a mis-lynch day 1 - and I don't mind putting myself out there as a target, if it lures them out of hiding. So, anyone who has pushed for lynching me, consider yourself on notice. And the last objection you have to me: my asking people about day 1 lynches did indeed generate discussion. See this post: On December 23 2011 13:59 GiygaS wrote:
And also, it's stupid to not get a lynch on day1 unless we have literally no leads. It's better to lynch a guy that we think is leaning scum, then not lynching anybody at all. And this one: On December 23 2011 15:16 Misder wrote:
@Day1 Lynch- yes. ofc, that comes with scumhunting as well as potentially lynching lurkers. One last piece of policy: Do not use 'ploys' or 'traps' to bait scum members. If you choose to disregard this, at minimum have fully thought it out. This involves but is not limited to being able to prove that only a scum member would walk into it, and that only a scum member would react the way that the person did. Make sure the pros outweigh the cons, and be ready to prove it. Intentionally making your self look scummy is an example of a 'bad' ploy, because good townies should be calling you out. That said, it did help me two things I want to point out so far: Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 20:32 Dirkzor wrote:/confirmed I agree with the no policy lynches.[1] Everything should be accounted for and done on a case by case basis. But with that said I don't like people lurking or lieing. Both things are something you learn as a child is bad - well maybe not lurking =) - and the mafia are the bad guys. Do we have any veterans in this game? Given i've only followed a few games here on TL mafia I can't see any that spring out at a vet? Correct me if I'm wrong please. However I do believe that people should look at what happens in this game and judge on that. No reason to say "But sir, he was very good in..." When he have done shitall in this game and caused several mislynches. This is my first game playing Mafia. That said, I will try not to sheep and try to make my own opinions. I WILL win this! =) (Hahaha no meta for you guys  )[2]About lynches and/or No lynches: I would rather lynch someone i might think is town to get a lynch then to get a no lynch. It gives information and it helps town. Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 23:39 Dirkzor wrote:On December 23 2011 13:35 sephirotharg wrote:For myself, I've never played mafia here on TL, but I've played a small amount on some other forums. I'm not skilled, but it's still fun  As for policy lynches, I'm against Lynch All Liars, only because it tends to lead to players narrowing their focuses too much - lynching someone, even if they are a liar, may not be the best idea for the town. And Lynch All Lurkers is also a bad idea, not the least because at times I am one . Same reason as before, with the added rationale that life gets in the way sometimes - papers, work, family and such all happen, and sometimes you can't devote the time necessary. With that said, doing some estimation, worst case scenario (assuming bad lynches and vig kills, with one vig, as well as all mafia kills), we have until day 3 to flip a red. Keeping that in mind, what say the people about a day 1 lynch? I bolded what i found strange. You already state that you will be lurking. Early in game you want people to feel its okay that you lurk. No Mr. I won't allow it! Yes life gets in the way but you should make up for it when time permits. In that way people won't feel you are lurking if you have provided enough to talk about when you actually have the time. We all need to eat and sleep (work?) but if you don't carry your weight we don't need you. ##Vote sephirotharg 1) He agrees policy lynches are bad, then doubles back and votes someone for potentially lurking later on in the game. 2) Calling attention to his inexperience. FoS
I should update the thread faster =/
Reason i called out me inexperience was because Misder ask for games we recently played. Hence the Meta comment.
I did not vote on him because he lurked. I voted because he preemptivly excused himself for lurking (as i stated in an earlier post)
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Because I don't desire to appear mafia? If I'm town, the last thing I'd want to do is contradict myself, so it seems natural to me to re-read my posts.
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Sephirotharg:
On December 23 2011 13:35 sephirotharg wrote:For myself, I've never played mafia here on TL, but I've played a small amount on some other forums. I'm not skilled, but it's still fun As for policy lynches, I'm against Lynch All Liars, only because it tends to lead to players narrowing their focuses too much - lynching someone, even if they are a liar, may not be the best idea for the town. And Lynch All Lurkers is also a bad idea, not the least because at times I am one . Same reason as before, with the added rationale that life gets in the way sometimes - papers, work, family and such all happen, and sometimes you can't devote the time necessary. With that said, doing some estimation, worst case scenario (assuming bad lynches and vig kills, with one vig, as well as all mafia kills), we have until day 3 to flip a red. Keeping that in mind, what say the people about a day 1 lynch?
Your first post comes across as timid and making excuses for further down the track. Saying “I’m not skilled” only serves to devalue your opinion, which is something that no townie wants to do. It is however something that mafia wants to do, if he plans on flying under the radar.
Your problem with lynching all liars is that it ‘narrows town focus’ too much. I disagree; someone caught lying to the town deserves all the scrutiny they get. I feel as though you are giving yourself an out in the event that you are caught lying later on.
Lastly, your point on lurkers is just flat out questionable. If you didn’t have the time to devote to playing this game, then why did you sign up? As you can tell, there are several people who missed out that want your spot. You finish by tacking on some napkin math about how many days we have before lylo, which is unnecessary on page 4 when the game started on page 3. Its entirely fluff, discussing worst-case scenario’s on the first day is pointless and only serves as a distraction from us doing our jobs, catching scum.
On December 24 2011 03:25 sephirotharg wrote:
Well, I'm a bit surprised this didn't happen faster.
Shraft, what do you want me to say? I merely made a comment based on my tendencies - if anything, explicitly stating how I play is pro-town.
Add to my case the fact that I've already acted pro-town, in generating discussion with the last part of my first post, and I'm not sure how you can justify voting for me.
On December 24 2011 03:31 sephirotharg wrote:
That's all well and good - I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say here. In general, lurking isn't optimal play, not for town at any rate.
That said, you didn't actually provide any reason to vote for me here. You responded to my post, but gave no rationale as to why you placed your vote on me. Please do everyone the favor of explaining your actions.
Your second and third posts are also causes for concern. In your second post you state “if anything, explicitly stating how I play is pro-town” in response to Shraft prodding you about your lurking intentions. Then in your next post, 6 minutes later, you say, “In general, lurking isn’t optimal play, not for town at any rate”. This just screams inconsistent. You claim your play style is pro-town, and then dismiss your play style as not optimal for town only 6 minutes later.
On December 24 2011 03:56 sephirotharg wrote:
RE: Giygas
This is a game of circles within circles son, and you'd best step to that right quick.
Weird accent aside, I'm merely stating that I find you, Dirkzor, and Shraft rather suspicious for voting so early and pushing hard. I think it's rather obvious why I wrote "the thing about lurking" - to generate some discussion, allowing scum to reveal themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the three of you flips red - but we'll see.
After demeaning Giygas by implying that you know something he doesn’t (interesting tactic for someone claiming to be “unskilled” in their first post), you claim that you think it’s ‘rather obvious’ as to why you are doing what you are doing. This just screams cop-out, you weren’t expecting all the heat you’re getting from your first few posts and now you are trying to rationalise it all as ‘generating discussion’.
On December 24 2011 07:06 sephirotharg wrote:
@ Grack
It's not something I consciously decide at the beginning of the game; it arises mainly due to circumstances and whatnot - for example, in about an hour or so I'll be gone until late tonight, so don't expect much from me later on. I'll be around for the lynch deadline, though, and I intend to be active in the game. I've kept this thread open and refreshing since day 1 started.
@ Shraft
I'm glad that I'm not the only one playing subtly. So far, most people are playing their cards close to their chest, so to speak. When I'm active, I play more fast and loose.
In your last post (as of the time of writing this) you announce your intentions to return to lurking until near the deadline so ‘don’t expect much form me later on’, so… you don’t plan on defending yourself after all of this?
Your message to Shraft: “I’m glad I’m not the only one playing subtly” again just stinks of cop-out.
Now that the PBP is over, I’m just going to be honest. You claim unskilled and then act like you are ‘laying scum traps’ by being subtle. You announce your intentions to lurk, which does nothing to help this town. Your play has been nothing but anti-town since your first post. Don’t lurk, get back here and EXPLAIN your actions.
**And now that I’ve refreshed the thread, you’ve voted for yourself… AND edited “contradictory statements” out of one of your posts. I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the shoe fits here.
##Vote sephirotharg
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On December 24 2011 08:08 Shraft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 08:05 sephirotharg wrote:
Whoops. I should recuse myself at this point from the game - modkill me please, and replace me. I didn't read the rules carefully enough, and edited one of my earlier posts to change some contradictory wording. Assuming hosts agree, I'll no longer be participating in this game for breaking the rules. I believe that mods can see your edits, so they should be able to edit in the original message. I do however find it strange that you're re-reading your own posts and looking for contradictions. Why would you worry about some contradictive wording if you're town?
I don't find it weird at all. It's important the meaning of the post is clear. If you don't do that other town people might jump on you later for posting nonsense.
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On December 24 2011 08:14 sephirotharg wrote:
Because I don't desire to appear mafia? If I'm town, the last thing I'd want to do is contradict myself, so it seems natural to me to re-read my posts.
If you're town, you should be focusing on finding scum rather than looking innocent yourself. It stands out to me because generally scum players are a lot more careful with what they say, and make damn sure that they don't contradict themselves or stick their neck out in any other way. Townies don't think as much about how they word their posts, but to mafia it comes naturally.
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I'll answer the criticisms leveled at me once a mod/host rules on my editing my post, assuming I'm still in the game. I'd rather not be at this point, though.
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On December 24 2011 08:28 sephirotharg wrote:
I'll answer the criticisms leveled at me once a mod/host rules on my editing my post, assuming I'm still in the game. I'd rather not be at this point, though.
On December 21 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled.
By the wording of the rules, you'll receive a warning. Don't just give up, your team probably wouldn't appreciate it.
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On December 24 2011 08:02 Shraft wrote:
I realised it because I saw a lock on his portrait. He made a /in-post you know.
Thank you. Was just curious.
Now I'm off to sleep. I'll stir the pot more when i wake up!
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On December 24 2011 08:28 sephirotharg wrote:
I'll answer the criticisms leveled at me once a mod/host rules on my editing my post, assuming I'm still in the game. I'd rather not be at this point, though.
As of now, consider yourself warned. Any subsequent breaks from the rules will result in a modkill.
I'm getting a mod to look into the edit.
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On December 24 2011 07:16 sephirotharg wrote:
A couple of questions:
For voting, need we specifically unvote? Or, if we merely vote for a different person, is it taken for granted that we unvoted the original vote?
Can the host/co-host please keep the player list up to date? I refer to it often, and it would be nice to have the reminder that hyshes has replaced Mattchew, for example.
And as a placeholder: ##Vote sephirotharg
I'd prefer if you unvote when you vote for the next person.
I'll update the list, I went out Christmas shopping after I replaced Mattchew and forgot to.
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Alright sep you just got a warning. As of now i see as scum and you have a lot of votes on you. Plz address these concerns.
And it would be great for you to give your scum reads. As we have about 2 and a half hours till deadline.
If your town tell use everything you know so that we have tools to get scum. Give us everything you got this is the time you can change the vote. Now or never.
Oh and in case my nonbolded vote doesnt count.
##Vote Sephirotharg
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The sephirotharg bandwagon is pretty stupid imo. I think it's pretty clear that he's noobtelling.
##Vote: jaybrundage
Although early, not saying anything really in his two posts. Also seems to want to jump on the easy bandwagon. Compared to his posts in Student Mafia, pretty similar style.
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Hm I find it interesting that you choice to vote for me.
The Sephirotharg so called bandwagon is going so well because hes had some huge scum tells. If you dont realize this then you should reread his posts. I stated why i think hes scummy.
You state its stupid but please do explain that. Dont you think its weird that Sephirotharg instead of defending himself that he just leaves? And the votes for himself just not to get modkilled however he knows people are voting for him but he ignores it. He is much more likly to be lynched at this point.
The part where he edited a post to appear innocent is pretty much nailing him the coffin. A townie would not have to be so conscious of his posts because he has nothing to hide.
He then states at this point he would rather not play the game. He doesn't want to play the game because hes mafia that got caught day one. Kinda sucks but pretty good for town dont ya think.
And if you want to make a case on me go for it.
So far you posted everything about policy lynches which is a great discussion starter. You have to move on sooner or later.
You then vote for me with practically nothing. You claim i haven't contributed but all you talked about was policy lynches.
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On December 24 2011 09:47 Misder wrote:The sephirotharg bandwagon is pretty stupid imo. I think it's pretty clear that he's noobtelling. ##Vote: jaybrundageAlthough early, not saying anything really in his two posts. Also seems to want to jump on the easy bandwagon. Compared to his posts in Student Mafia, pretty similar style.
You think the 'wagon' on sephriotharg is stupid? He shows a lot of the same characteristics that you did in TL XXX. Ver even used you as an example of a 'newbie mafia' in his analysis of XXX. Go back and reread his posts, or read my analysis of him.
He comes in very meek, posts a bunch of fluff, gets attacked by half the town (and rightly so!) then goes back into lurker mode when hes asked to explain his behavior.
Why are you defending him?
JB, you should know better then to sheepvote.
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T_T it wasn't a sheep vote this guys scummy as hell.
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And the lynch is in 26 hours, not 2. Don't rush your votes, use common sense and logic and vote for the person you believe to be the scummiest.
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So I asked a mod, and this is the original, unedited post.
RE: GiygaS No, you misinterpreted my post - I expected somebody to notice that part about me lurking long before they did - I didn't expect to get votes so early! You see, mafia will tend to push for a mis-lynch day 1 - and I don't mind putting myself out there as a target, if it lures them out of hiding. So, anyone who has voted for me, consider yourself on notice. And the last objection you have to me: my asking people about day 1 lynches did indeed generate discussion. See this post: Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 13:59 GiygaS wrote: And also, it's stupid to not get a lynch on day1 unless we have literally no leads. It's better to lynch a guy that we think is leaning scum, then not lynching anybody at all. And this one: Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 15:16 Misder wrote: @Day1 Lynch- yes. ofc, that comes with scumhunting as well as potentially lynching lurkers.
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