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On December 23 2011 15:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 15:33 L wrote:RE: Chaoser Just to make your life harder, I just remembered this post: On December 22 2011 11:49 LSB wrote:
Because Ver would defiantly put a duplicate of the same role in a game....
Wana test? I'll shoot you tonight if you wish, if you're town, we both die, if your mafia, you're probably too scared to face my shot A shot on a townie kills both. You're claiming have mafia with 3 kp, still don't know why Jackal died and now can't explain why RoL isn't dead. Try again. They were both town... they both claimed different roles. It's possible there is more than one variant on a vigilante in this game. Unless you are saying LSB fake claimed for some retarded reason and just never corrected himself, and that Gmarshal also fake claimed. But why the hell would they both lie? L that is so convoluted and ridiculous. They both most likely told the truth and they probably had different roles. I dunno why GM assumed LSB had to be lying, it would be a silly mafia fake claim.
GMarshal claimed he had the exact same role as LSB, just with a different name.
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But then the problem becomes why the fuck would VE shoot GM on night 1? GM was either going to die tonight or be lynched tomorrow if things didn't add up. I don't think GM as a player would lie at midnight about his actions given how long I've known the guy and how much we talk about mafia as a game. I cant currently explain the kills aside from my own. I say we disregard anything about rol being confirmed townie or not and just focus on what people have said in regards to palmar and also what VE, SLJ, and jackal have said. I'll write up something on syllo tomorrow.
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On December 23 2011 15:42 chaoser wrote:
Ok, you bring up a good point. I'll have to retread the whole claiming part of day 1 tomorrow but I still don't understand why gm would feel the need to lie at midnight, when all the actions have been set in stone and a lie would just confuse the town instead of being clean and simple. I feel like a more valid reason for the kills would be that a bus driver bussed his kill but that's also just speculation.
RE: Bus driver
Bus driver's possible, but the end result with respect to who mafia killed doesn't change, so it becomes entirely irrelevant whether or not he lied, only whether or not he shot Visc. If anyone bussed Visc/RoL they're either delusional or mafia, which means mafia has a bus driver.
Which means this game is fucking broken. We can't call shots to confirm anyone. Roles like GM and LSB's can be rerouted with mafia knowledge of who's innocent to change a shot against mafia to a double townie kill. The only way of obtaining proper information about a shooter would be to have at least 3 people shoot during a night.
But that's kinda beyond the fact. A driver is an assured +3 for mafia with a single night action. I hope you recognize that even hatters typically don't have that much firepower (3 bomb hatters are a +2 swing and take the entire game to set up). The only night action I've seen do more than a 3 kill swing for a team was the Murrayitis plague, but there were at least five plague related roles acting across 3-4(5?) days in the game that had to engineer the beautiful destruction that we set up for that one.
RE: RoL
I'm not claiming EITHER lied about their role. If LSB's role wasn't the same as GM's GM wouldn't have had a need to continue pushing him and would have said "oh shit, we DONT have the same role". But that's not the case.
Nothing in ANY of LSBs or GMs post indicate that their vig shots do not work vs townies, with LSB basing his plea on the very fact that it does. GM replied to this very point without commenting on it.
RE: GGQ
So, you have VE shooting GM, who would die or confirm himself as green during the night. No. You also have 3 mafia KP per day which leads to LyLo on day 2 with a single missed justice vig. Double No.
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On December 23 2011 16:32 L wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 15:42 chaoser wrote:
Ok, you bring up a good point. I'll have to retread the whole claiming part of day 1 tomorrow but I still don't understand why gm would feel the need to lie at midnight, when all the actions have been set in stone and a lie would just confuse the town instead of being clean and simple. I feel like a more valid reason for the kills would be that a bus driver bussed his kill but that's also just speculation. RE: Bus driver Bus driver's possible, but the end result with respect to who mafia killed doesn't change, so it becomes entirely irrelevant whether or not he lied, only whether or not he shot Visc. If anyone bussed Visc/RoL they're either delusional or mafia, which means mafia has a bus driver. Which means this game is fucking broken. We can't call shots to confirm anyone. Roles like GM and LSB's can be rerouted with mafia knowledge of who's innocent to change a shot against mafia to a double townie kill. The only way of obtaining proper information about a shooter would be to have at least 3 people shoot during a night. But that's kinda beyond the fact. A driver is an assured +3 for mafia with a single night action. I hope you recognize that even hatters typically don't have that much firepower (3 bomb hatters are a +2 swing and take the entire game to set up). The only night action I've seen do more than a 3 kill swing for a team was the Murrayitis plague, but there were at least five plague related roles acting across 3-4(5?) days in the game that had to engineer the beautiful destruction that we set up for that one. RE: RoL I'm not claiming EITHER lied about their role. If LSB's role wasn't the same as GM's GM wouldn't have had a need to continue pushing him and would have said "oh shit, we DONT have the same role". But that's not the case. Nothing in ANY of LSBs or GMs post indicate that their vig shots do not work vs townies, with LSB basing his plea on the very fact that it does. GM replied to this very point without commenting on it. RE: GGQ So, you have VE shooting GM, who would die or confirm himself as green during the night. No. You also have 3 mafia KP per day which leads to LyLo on day 2 with a single missed justice vig. Double No.
typo by me, I have 2 mafia KP just like you (hydra and jackal). I just have VE shooting GM instead of GM shooting VE (both die either way).
Also GM would not have been confirmed if he was roleblocked, which I believe he was and which I think was fairly predictable if a roleblocker exists. VE may have been trying to avoid GM claiming roleblock and town wondering whether to believe him or lynch him.
Most importantly, what is your explanation for why GM would lie about his shot target AFTER the deadline?
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Hey guys,
I was role blocked last night. This game is doomed. I won't be posting anymore anytime soon. 
Oh I agreed with L on his position that this game is broken.
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On December 23 2011 16:59 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 16:32 L wrote:On December 23 2011 15:42 chaoser wrote:
Ok, you bring up a good point. I'll have to retread the whole claiming part of day 1 tomorrow but I still don't understand why gm would feel the need to lie at midnight, when all the actions have been set in stone and a lie would just confuse the town instead of being clean and simple. I feel like a more valid reason for the kills would be that a bus driver bussed his kill but that's also just speculation. RE: Bus driver Bus driver's possible, but the end result with respect to who mafia killed doesn't change, so it becomes entirely irrelevant whether or not he lied, only whether or not he shot Visc. If anyone bussed Visc/RoL they're either delusional or mafia, which means mafia has a bus driver. Which means this game is fucking broken. We can't call shots to confirm anyone. Roles like GM and LSB's can be rerouted with mafia knowledge of who's innocent to change a shot against mafia to a double townie kill. The only way of obtaining proper information about a shooter would be to have at least 3 people shoot during a night. But that's kinda beyond the fact. A driver is an assured +3 for mafia with a single night action. I hope you recognize that even hatters typically don't have that much firepower (3 bomb hatters are a +2 swing and take the entire game to set up). The only night action I've seen do more than a 3 kill swing for a team was the Murrayitis plague, but there were at least five plague related roles acting across 3-4(5?) days in the game that had to engineer the beautiful destruction that we set up for that one. RE: RoL I'm not claiming EITHER lied about their role. If LSB's role wasn't the same as GM's GM wouldn't have had a need to continue pushing him and would have said "oh shit, we DONT have the same role". But that's not the case. Nothing in ANY of LSBs or GMs post indicate that their vig shots do not work vs townies, with LSB basing his plea on the very fact that it does. GM replied to this very point without commenting on it. RE: GGQ So, you have VE shooting GM, who would die or confirm himself as green during the night. No. You also have 3 mafia KP per day which leads to LyLo on day 2 with a single missed justice vig. Double No. typo by me, I have 2 mafia KP just like you (hydra and jackal). I just have VE shooting GM instead of GM shooting VE (both die either way). Also GM would not have been confirmed if he was roleblocked, which I believe he was and which I think was fairly predictable if a roleblocker exists. VE may have been trying to avoid GM claiming roleblock and town wondering whether to believe him or lynch him. Most importantly, what is your explanation for why GM would lie about his shot target AFTER the deadline?
In that case your analysis is completely irrelevant. The determination of who shot who is to find out which hits were controlled by mafia to determine WHY they shot who they shot.
As for assuming GM needed to be roleblocked, then shot by someone who had zero incentive to do so, cool beans, that's retarded.
Why would GM lie? Because hosts do not instantly conjure up day posts, and the day transition time is ALWAYS delayed if certain roles hold their abilities to the last minute. Hosts additionally need to PM people with information regarding their night action prior to the start of day.
Like, has no one run a game before or played careful attention to one? How is this news to people? The fact that so many people who should know better jumped on this assumption is SUPER sketchy, but I'm not done looking through past games to see posting times yet.
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On December 23 2011 18:29 L wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 16:59 GGQ wrote:On December 23 2011 16:32 L wrote:On December 23 2011 15:42 chaoser wrote:
Ok, you bring up a good point. I'll have to retread the whole claiming part of day 1 tomorrow but I still don't understand why gm would feel the need to lie at midnight, when all the actions have been set in stone and a lie would just confuse the town instead of being clean and simple. I feel like a more valid reason for the kills would be that a bus driver bussed his kill but that's also just speculation. RE: Bus driver Bus driver's possible, but the end result with respect to who mafia killed doesn't change, so it becomes entirely irrelevant whether or not he lied, only whether or not he shot Visc. If anyone bussed Visc/RoL they're either delusional or mafia, which means mafia has a bus driver. Which means this game is fucking broken. We can't call shots to confirm anyone. Roles like GM and LSB's can be rerouted with mafia knowledge of who's innocent to change a shot against mafia to a double townie kill. The only way of obtaining proper information about a shooter would be to have at least 3 people shoot during a night. But that's kinda beyond the fact. A driver is an assured +3 for mafia with a single night action. I hope you recognize that even hatters typically don't have that much firepower (3 bomb hatters are a +2 swing and take the entire game to set up). The only night action I've seen do more than a 3 kill swing for a team was the Murrayitis plague, but there were at least five plague related roles acting across 3-4(5?) days in the game that had to engineer the beautiful destruction that we set up for that one. RE: RoL I'm not claiming EITHER lied about their role. If LSB's role wasn't the same as GM's GM wouldn't have had a need to continue pushing him and would have said "oh shit, we DONT have the same role". But that's not the case. Nothing in ANY of LSBs or GMs post indicate that their vig shots do not work vs townies, with LSB basing his plea on the very fact that it does. GM replied to this very point without commenting on it. RE: GGQ So, you have VE shooting GM, who would die or confirm himself as green during the night. No. You also have 3 mafia KP per day which leads to LyLo on day 2 with a single missed justice vig. Double No. typo by me, I have 2 mafia KP just like you (hydra and jackal). I just have VE shooting GM instead of GM shooting VE (both die either way). Also GM would not have been confirmed if he was roleblocked, which I believe he was and which I think was fairly predictable if a roleblocker exists. VE may have been trying to avoid GM claiming roleblock and town wondering whether to believe him or lynch him. Most importantly, what is your explanation for why GM would lie about his shot target AFTER the deadline? In that case your analysis is completely irrelevant. The determination of who shot who is to find out which hits were controlled by mafia to determine WHY they shot who they shot. As for assuming GM needed to be roleblocked, then shot by someone who had zero incentive to do so, cool beans, that's retarded. Why would GM lie? Because hosts do not instantly conjure up day posts, and the day transition time is ALWAYS delayed if certain roles hold their abilities to the last minute. Hosts additionally need to PM people with information regarding their night action prior to the start of day. Like, has no one run a game before or played careful attention to one? How is this news to people? The fact that so many people who should know better jumped on this assumption is SUPER sketchy, but I'm not done looking through past games to see posting times yet.
Actions cannot be submitted after the deadline, even if the day post is late. This is how games always operate.
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Hey guys
I like GGQ's explanation of night actions. VisceraEyes bombed bumatlarge in Election Mafia on a somewhat flimsy reasonable, he's crazy like that. I think he shot GMarshal. I don't think mafia would shoot VisceraEyes on day1, which is why VisceraEyes shouldn't shoot on day1 if he's blue but again, he's crazy like that.
I think GMarshal was roleblocked last night, because who else would mafia roleblock? If he was roleblocked and he survived there could have been massive chaos day2 and he's a claimed blue who said he'd shoot somebody in the face, scum knows that he isn't kidding around so he's absolutely their best target for roleblock. I think that Chezinu is lying about his roleblock, consequently making him mafia. What do you guys think about that?
I'd post more about him but he's kinda hard to read you know.
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There is no way GM would lie about his target. No townie would lie in that situation; he could have just posted it a bit earlier if the intention was to mislead mafia and given how his role supposedly works, lying would be incredibly anti-town. If someone else has the same role as GM it might be worth claiming to determine whether RoL surviving semi-confirms him.
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On December 23 2011 18:41 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys
I like GGQ's explanation of night actions. VisceraEyes bombed bumatlarge in Election Mafia on a somewhat flimsy reasonable, he's crazy like that. I think he shot GMarshal. I don't think mafia would shoot VisceraEyes on day1, which is why VisceraEyes shouldn't shoot on day1 if he's blue but again, he's crazy like that.
I think GMarshal was roleblocked last night, because who else would mafia roleblock? If he was roleblocked and he survived there could have been massive chaos day2 and he's a claimed blue who said he'd shoot somebody in the face, scum knows that he isn't kidding around so he's absolutely their best target for roleblock. I think that Chezinu is lying about his roleblock, consequently making him mafia. What do you guys think about that?
I'd post more about him but he's kinda hard to read you know.
so in order for your version of events to be true, Chezinu has to be lying, or there must be two roleblockers.
Which one is it? Is Chezinu lying, or are there two roleblockers?
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Okay why the hell would Chezinu claim roleblocked as scum?
First of all it gives you some town credit if the guy who was roleblocked, and if nobody claims roleblocked today we'd know tomorrow that one of the dead was roleblocked (if scum has a roleblocker). Second of all, if Chezinu was roleblocked then GMarshal wouldn't have been roleblocked and he would have shot someone. This would severely mess up our flip analysis if we think that GMarshal actually shot one of VisceraEyes/Jackal58/SamuelLJackson. I don't think he shot any of those, I think he shot RebirthOfLeGenD, because he said he would in his 14:00 KST post.
So yea, lets kill Chezinu? What do you feel about that bumatlarge?
##Vote Chezinu
I'm still not over BloodyC0bbler by the way, and I'd like wherebugsgo to show me why we should kill Foolishness.
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On December 23 2011 18:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:41 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys
I like GGQ's explanation of night actions. VisceraEyes bombed bumatlarge in Election Mafia on a somewhat flimsy reasonable, he's crazy like that. I think he shot GMarshal. I don't think mafia would shoot VisceraEyes on day1, which is why VisceraEyes shouldn't shoot on day1 if he's blue but again, he's crazy like that.
I think GMarshal was roleblocked last night, because who else would mafia roleblock? If he was roleblocked and he survived there could have been massive chaos day2 and he's a claimed blue who said he'd shoot somebody in the face, scum knows that he isn't kidding around so he's absolutely their best target for roleblock. I think that Chezinu is lying about his roleblock, consequently making him mafia. What do you guys think about that?
I'd post more about him but he's kinda hard to read you know. so in order for your version of events to be true, Chezinu has to be lying, or there must be two roleblockers. Which one is it? Is Chezinu lying, or are there two roleblockers?
On December 23 2011 18:41 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys
I like GGQ's explanation of night actions. VisceraEyes bombed bumatlarge in Election Mafia on a somewhat flimsy reasonable, he's crazy like that. I think he shot GMarshal. I don't think mafia would shoot VisceraEyes on day1, which is why VisceraEyes shouldn't shoot on day1 if he's blue but again, he's crazy like that.
I think GMarshal was roleblocked last night, because who else would mafia roleblock? If he was roleblocked and he survived there could have been massive chaos day2 and he's a claimed blue who said he'd shoot somebody in the face, scum knows that he isn't kidding around so he's absolutely their best target for roleblock. I think that Chezinu is lying about his roleblock, consequently making him mafia. What do you guys think about that?
I'd post more about him but he's kinda hard to read you know.
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On December 23 2011 18:57 prplhz wrote:
Okay why the hell would Chezinu claim roleblocked as scum?
First of all it gives you some town credit if the guy who was roleblocked, and if nobody claims roleblocked today we'd know tomorrow that one of the dead was roleblocked (if scum has a roleblocker). Second of all, if Chezinu was roleblocked then GMarshal wouldn't have been roleblocked and he would have shot someone. This would severely mess up our flip analysis if we think that GMarshal actually shot one of VisceraEyes/Jackal58/SamuelLJackson. I don't think he shot any of those, I think he shot RebirthOfLeGenD, because he said he would in his 14:00 KST post.
So yea, lets kill Chezinu? What do you feel about that bumatlarge?
##Vote Chezinu
I'm still not over BloodyC0bbler by the way, and I'd like wherebugsgo to show me why we should kill Foolishness.
I'll explain more in detail once I've slept, but essentially just look at Foolishness's filter. In general, Foolishness has been very apathetic toward town events and he sheeped the LSB vote despite saying earlier he did not like the case. What has he contributed?
Why is he behaving like this in a game full of vets who all know how good he is as town? Why did he call Palmar town when there wasn't much for him to say that the post Palmar made "would never be made as scum?"
This isn't the town Foolishness I know. Even when I asked him questions he clarified next to nothing. His thoughts are not clear and I don't like it. I'd like to give him an opportunity to redeem himself, since he is by far the best asset we have if he is town, but at this point I have no reason to believe he is town and very many to believe he is scum.
As for BC, I really doubt he's scum. Your case on him is weak. This is why I was particularlyI confused Palmar supported it. He knows BC's play better than you do, so why would he support such a bad case?
Obviously, we now know it was because he wasn't town.
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Fuck this shit.
I'm going bowling.
GL town.
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On December 23 2011 16:32 L wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 15:42 chaoser wrote:
Ok, you bring up a good point. I'll have to retread the whole claiming part of day 1 tomorrow but I still don't understand why gm would feel the need to lie at midnight, when all the actions have been set in stone and a lie would just confuse the town instead of being clean and simple. I feel like a more valid reason for the kills would be that a bus driver bussed his kill but that's also just speculation. RE: Bus driver Bus driver's possible, but the end result with respect to who mafia killed doesn't change, so it becomes entirely irrelevant whether or not he lied, only whether or not he shot Visc. If anyone bussed Visc/RoL they're either delusional or mafia, which means mafia has a bus driver. Which means this game is fucking broken. We can't call shots to confirm anyone. Roles like GM and LSB's can be rerouted with mafia knowledge of who's innocent to change a shot against mafia to a double townie kill. The only way of obtaining proper information about a shooter would be to have at least 3 people shoot during a night. But that's kinda beyond the fact. A driver is an assured +3 for mafia with a single night action. I hope you recognize that even hatters typically don't have that much firepower (3 bomb hatters are a +2 swing and take the entire game to set up). The only night action I've seen do more than a 3 kill swing for a team was the Murrayitis plague, but there were at least five plague related roles acting across 3-4(5?) days in the game that had to engineer the beautiful destruction that we set up for that one. RE: RoL I'm not claiming EITHER lied about their role. If LSB's role wasn't the same as GM's GM wouldn't have had a need to continue pushing him and would have said "oh shit, we DONT have the same role". But that's not the case. Nothing in ANY of LSBs or GMs post indicate that their vig shots do not work vs townies, with LSB basing his plea on the very fact that it does. GM replied to this very point without commenting on it. RE: GGQ So, you have VE shooting GM, who would die or confirm himself as green during the night. No. You also have 3 mafia KP per day which leads to LyLo on day 2 with a single missed justice vig. Double No.
I don't like what you are doing. Its blatant fear mongering with insane theorizing behind this games set up. We can assume the mafia probably has a RB, and probably a GF, at most I'd give them one more power role which would probably be a medic which would encourage the idea of responsibility by allowing the mafia to punish the town trying to coordinate publicly. A bus driver makes the game crazy on so many levels while serving the same effect that a medic would by allowing them to disrupt hits, but would do it in a much more destructive manner.
You go even farther to say that there must be a bus driver and this game is fucked. Stop talking about crazy shit and be productive, I will just kill you if I see you fear mongering and not being productive one more time, its scummy as shit L and its not going to fly.
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On December 23 2011 18:41 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys
I like GGQ's explanation of night actions. VisceraEyes bombed bumatlarge in Election Mafia on a somewhat flimsy reasonable, he's crazy like that. I think he shot GMarshal. I don't think mafia would shoot VisceraEyes on day1, which is why VisceraEyes shouldn't shoot on day1 if he's blue but again, he's crazy like that.
I think GMarshal was roleblocked last night, because who else would mafia roleblock? If he was roleblocked and he survived there could have been massive chaos day2 and he's a claimed blue who said he'd shoot somebody in the face, scum knows that he isn't kidding around so he's absolutely their best target for roleblock. I think that Chezinu is lying about his roleblock, consequently making him mafia. What do you guys think about that?
I'd post more about him but he's kinda hard to read you know.
Read the game...
If GM was roleblocked and hit that leaves 4 hits for the mafia/unclaimed, which is way too high. If GM was roleblocked he wouldn't of died because it would block both his hit and his suicide, not just the hit. The mafia know this assuming they are literate and since they thought he was going to hit a townie why would they roleblock GM since it would result in his death anyway? Hint: They wouldn't.
I don't even know what to say to this anymore. A bit scummy?
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On December 24 2011 01:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 18:41 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys
I like GGQ's explanation of night actions. VisceraEyes bombed bumatlarge in Election Mafia on a somewhat flimsy reasonable, he's crazy like that. I think he shot GMarshal. I don't think mafia would shoot VisceraEyes on day1, which is why VisceraEyes shouldn't shoot on day1 if he's blue but again, he's crazy like that.
I think GMarshal was roleblocked last night, because who else would mafia roleblock? If he was roleblocked and he survived there could have been massive chaos day2 and he's a claimed blue who said he'd shoot somebody in the face, scum knows that he isn't kidding around so he's absolutely their best target for roleblock. I think that Chezinu is lying about his roleblock, consequently making him mafia. What do you guys think about that?
I'd post more about him but he's kinda hard to read you know. Read the game... If GM was roleblocked and hit that leaves 4 hits for the mafia/unclaimed, which is way too high. If GM was roleblocked he wouldn't of died because it would block both his hit and his suicide, not just the hit. The mafia know this assuming they are literate and since they thought he was going to hit a townie why would they roleblock GM since it would result in his death anyway? Hint: They wouldn't. I don't even know what to say to this anymore. A bit scummy?
I was in PYP:Insane that Protactinium hosted who was part Ver as I understood it. That game had a role called dreamflower that worked kinda like the vigilantes we've seen so far in this game. I really wanted this role so I asked a lot of questions about it and dreamflower only died from hitting someone, if they actually flipped town. Combined with what LSB said, I am going to assume it works like that in this game too. Also, GMarshal told people about his hits at 14:00KST which would leave no room for scum to organize their actions based on what he said. Therefore he did not lie and therefore scum would only know who he was going to hit, too late to change their own actions.
This means that GMarshal was roleblocked, or that his target was magically protected by a medic but the latter I find extremely unlikely.
VisceraEyes voted GMarshal during the whole claim/counterclaim thing, because VisceraEyes thought it was weird that there was another role like his (LSB) but even weirder that there was a third role. I don't really think this is too weird.
I don't think that VisceraEyes was killed by town because he was obvious townie (why aren't you all obvious townies?) and I don't think that VisceraEyes was killed by scum because I don't think scum considered him to be a huge threat. I think it is likely that VisceraEyes shot somebody because he's a crazy man who does stuff like that.
Palmar was shot by chaoser, GMarshal was shot by VisceraEyes who had to take responsibility for shooting a townie and died himself. Jackal58 and SamuelLJackson were shot by mafia. This means that the 4 mafia players have 2 hits, which doesn't sound unlikely to me. Sorry if I was unclear about this in my first post. This seems like the simplest explanation to me, any other explanation that assumes that GMarshal flipped himself by hitting you or assumes that GMarshal lied about his claim in his 14:00KST post seems very unlikely to me.
I'd much rather assume that VisceraEyes was a responsibility vig than I would assume that GMarshal lied or that GMarshal would flip even without getting hit.
Now did you read the thread? You say here that you are speculating that GMarshal might have been some sort of suicide vigilante, after he had claimed suicide vigilante in the thread. Can you tell me why you are only speculating, that a confirmed townie who claimed suicide vig in thread, might be a suicide vig? "I'm guessing he has some sort of conscience", well the guy said that in this very thread! Did you read the thread?
Are you saying that I am scum or what?
I'd actually much rather continue pushing BloodyC0bbler because night hit analysis of this magnitude is bound to have a huge error margin, that's why we can't really agree. wherebugsgo's defense of BloodyC0bbler has been "Yea, but WIFOM?", attacking the one argument that I said was very debatable, and pointing out that a traitor supported it. I thought about how traitors should act, and I don't think they're going to act overly scummy in hopes that scum will find them. They're probably going to act kinda townie while never pushing to get a scum lynched, and then make a guess at the remaining mafia when they have 2 shots and only have to hit 1. If they act scummy, then they get lynched (or shot in the face). I am uncertain as to whether my case was actually good or bad because only wherebugsgo and VisceraEyes ever really commented on it.
Right now only me and wherebugsgo are actually trying to say who we find scummy, maybe somebody else could chime in at some point in a non-wishy-washy manner.
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@WBG and prplhz:
This is relevant to your discussion, it's FW's filter from personality mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=56990
He was scum, and he lived until the end of the game, because no one would lynch him. The defense that scum BC wouldn't play badly/scummily isn't a very good one. By reputation, FW is a very good player, but he was forced to lurk on Day 1 in Personality Mafia, so he just continued to do so throughout the game, making excuses for his inactivity, and being ignored. BC's given us an excuse for Day 1, but if he doesn't pick up his activity, or give us any content, then we need to either lynch or shoot him, because what he'll do is just slink through lurking. Same thing goes for Foolishness, or any vet who doesn't actually do anything now that it's Day 2.
About my post before day:
GGQ's saying I'm scummy for it, but at that point, I was pretty sure that GM was scum. I would've thought that he'd consider that there's multiple roles with different names, when this game's made to punish bad play. I would've thought that he wouldn't lurk all of day 1 and act scummy, and then I would've thought he'd give us stronger reads and a much better shot before the day post. So, I was mad, because I thought he was scum, and was pretty certain that he'd be claiming RB after the day post to cover for that.
Also:
##Vote: Sheth
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Jackal as a n1 mafia kill seems bizarre to me unless NKs are based on some sort of triggers as well. He only pushed for LSB and didn't post anything relevant during the night
@GGQ: do you believe mafia has two role blockers or that chezinu is lying? One of the two have to be true for your scenario to be possible
Wiggles: what exactly did you mean here
What are the chances someone claims RB in the morning, though? That means we're either going to have to lynch them out of principle, or deal with bullshit for the next couple days. What do people plan to do, when someone claims RB, or claims their shot but the target doesn't die (vet or protected)? I see this as pretty likely to happen, regardless of if one is scum or not.
Why did you consider such a scenario likely? Do you have the list of blues? Even if the setup has a bunch of vets/medics, it actually seems quite unlikely for a town vig to hit someone who is medic protected. Regardless, now that something like that has happened, what do you think should be done with RoL? Despite flipping traitor, I think Palmar was ironically right about you
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