EPTQuestion: I see that we all have two votes today because Palmar the Mayor activated the double lynch. Do i have to use both votes or can i also vote for only one person?
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
Question: I see that we all have two votes today because Palmar the Mayor activated the double lynch. Do i have to use both votes or can i also vote for only one person? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:18 Cwave wrote: Think my question got covered in with the mass of posts, so ill repost as im curious. Hope it's not considered spam! Question: I see that we all have two votes today because Palmar the Mayor activated the double lynch. Do i have to use both votes or can i also vote for only one person? You have to use both votes. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
Kitaman27 the Vanilla Townie has been found stabbed to death!" Two things, First if we're going after the Robert Frost poem, the beginning part of this one would be a better clue than the one from syllo's. That is exactly what that poem is talking about. Second, " His thoughts were broken by the sound of sudden rushing footsteps from behind, and he had barely begun to turn when a dark form ran into him and he felt a sharp pain shoot through his back. The pain was redoubled as the knife was violently removed before being plunged in again... and again... and again..." Greymist has some references to Sonic the Hedgehog in his profile, wouldn't the rushing of feet and stabbing again and again sound like a life sized Sonic running into someone? On a side note, I like the idea of Scum points for clues. There's so many freaking ways to reference anything as a clue. | ||
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Match
215 Posts
On November 28 2011 23:46 Mattchew wrote: ##vote ace ##vote risen Curious as to why you voted these two. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:24 Hassybaby wrote: Can we use both votes on the same person? No | ||
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DeadlyPsycho
United States46 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
@sandroba: How does that information help you? Also bumatlarge, you're reasons are spotty at best. Activating a double lynch is not a Pro-Town power. Lynches can hit Town just as well as they can hit Scum. They are not guaranteed to make us win faster and there is nothing in the game that says Double Lynch Power = Town. So your reason to keep a Scum Mayor alive doesn't hold. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:37 DeadlyPsycho wrote: Lol, I now realize my name is not optimal to use in this game, however, to all the people blaming me, get all of your hopes up, im pro town, cant really change my nick to play this game. Dude, at least you didn't have a profile with a knife, when 2 people were stabbed to death... | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
Followed Palmar's 1 for 1 theory especially with ace calling so hard for his lynching while I write this. I figured that palmar can atleast leave us with double lynching if Ace is lynched first and actually turns out to be town. Followed people's reasoning for calling out risen aka: + Show Spoiler + On November 28 2011 23:10 Ciryandor wrote: In any case, besides zeks, people have forgotten about Risen's post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12490813 and note the timestamp. It's before the nightpost came out, and after people called him out on it, he repeats the EXACT SAME POST http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12491027 after the update shows up. I don't see any real links to his profile from the possible clues in the deathposts, but his lack of response deserves some scrutiny. On November 28 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote: Yes, never underestimate how dumb townies can be. But it's very unlikely, seeing as he promptly decided to celebrate living the night through before he had any way of knowing he would survive. I'm cool with lynching/vigging/bombing/nuking him. On November 28 2011 23:31 zeks wrote: I must say that it is fair for you guys to incriminate me based on those clues but I assure you all I'm Town and if any of you have played clue games you'd know not to go by clues alone because mods tend to make them hard and vague (usually easier to spot as days go on). I'll be posting a write-up on a few people who I think are good lynches based on clues and behaviour. Although I have taken notice of Risen's major slip which I don't believe is pure coincidence. This can be linked to him Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest. @Match my quote speaks of "woods" not forest A backstory of my quote: My quote from a poem by Robert Frost called "The Road Not Taken" The quote really puts me on the chopping block cause anything with path or road or trail would be linked to me =| sigh. Well thats my defense I don't know what else to say. I'll do my best to do some analysis before voting ends in the case that I do die. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:39 Ace wrote: No one is getting lynched off of clues. Anyone can make anything point to another person and make them look guilty. Palmar is target #1 today and yes, I'll be writing a post to outline why you need to be lynched again Palmar. If you succeed, what are you gonna do when I flip town? | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
##Vote: Hier Risen for his slip-up with saying "lol i live" when there hadn't been a post yet by the moderators and Hier for smelling scummy and redirecting into nothing when confronted with such sound accusations. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:39 Ace wrote: No one is getting lynched off of clues. Anyone can make anything point to another person and make them look guilty. Palmar is target #1 today and yes, I'll be writing a post to outline why you need to be lynched again Palmar. @sandroba: How does that information help you? Also bumatlarge, you're reasons are spotty at best. Activating a double lynch is not a Pro-Town power. Lynches can hit Town just as well as they can hit Scum. They are not guaranteed to make us win faster and there is nothing in the game that says Double Lynch Power = Town. So your reason to keep a Scum Mayor alive doesn't hold. Helps me in behaviour analysis. If he really jailed you, somehow bc thought it was a good idea to reveal his jailing at night with no chance of blocking a hit or preventing a kill. If he didn't I wonder who the fuck he protected, since brownbear, radfield, syllo and lsb are all dead. Also there is no reason this information should be hidden from town as either way mafia already knows that he has that ability. I agree that activating double lynches does not equal town, but it is still a thing that town most likely is going to need to win this game and it helps us on average no matter how you look at it. Towns chances having 4 double lynches > having no double lynches. Let's say palmar is mafia and bc is town. We kill palmar mafia kills all bgs and bc and deny us at least one double lynch. That's the best possible scenario. The worst is palmar is town and bc is mafia, that would severely fuck town in multiple ways. Keeping palmar alive a little longer is advantegeous even if he is mafia, which I don't think is clear cut at this point. We have 16 dudes to catch, why don't you focus on other people first? Like tell me what you think about zeks and decon. And this risen dude who posted he was alive before the night post came in. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:41 Mattchew wrote: Followed Palmar's 1 for 1 theory especially with ace calling so hard for his lynching while I write this. I figured that palmar can atleast leave us with double lynching if Ace is lynched first and actually turns out to be town. If we agree with Palmar to lynch Ace and he flips town, we're going to lynch Palmar next, so there would be no reason for Palmar to activate double lynch that night (unless both are town - but Palmar is willing to bet his life that they aren't). | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:55 sandroba wrote: Keeping palmar alive a little longer is advantegeous even if he is mafia, which I don't think is clear cut at this point. We have 16 dudes to catch, why don't you focus on other people first? Like tell me what you think about zeks and decon. And this risen dude who posted he was alive before the night post came in. Because if he focuses on other people (aside from wherebugsgo, who has either correctly or maliciously determined my alignment), he can't keep up the farce that will cover his non-contributions until I die. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:58 sandroba wrote: @Matchew How does that reasoning prove that either one of them must be scum? I am not 100% sure of ANYONE being scum at this point. With only 16 scum to 54 towns people I like to think that the 1 for 1 odds of Palmar and Ace seems pretty decent for us to atleast eliminate 1 mafia. The risen guy slipped up in a scummy way and unless better analysis of clues are given I think this is the best lead we have. I don't hate the logic on zeks but I am not completely sold on it. I choose between risen and zeks for the second vote. If you or anyone can make a more compelling argument for zeks I will gladly vote him over risen | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote: If you succeed, what are you gonna do when I flip town? Keep Scumhunting if you did flip Town. You aren't important enough to cause me to do something radically different. On November 29 2011 00:55 sandroba wrote: Helps me in behaviour analysis. If he really jailed you, somehow bc thought it was a good idea to reveal his jailing at night with no chance of blocking a hit or preventing a kill. If he didn't I wonder who the fuck he protected, since brownbear, radfield, syllo and lsb are all dead. Also there is no reason this information should be hidden from town as either way mafia already knows that he has that ability. I agree that activating double lynches does not equal town, but it is still a thing that town most likely is going to need to win this game and it helps us on average no matter how you look at it. Towns chances having 4 double lynches > having no double lynches. Let's say palmar is mafia and bc is town. We kill palmar mafia kills all bgs and bc and deny us at least one double lynch. That's the best possible scenario. The worst is palmar is town and bc is mafia, that would severely fuck town in multiple ways. Keeping palmar alive a little longer is advantegeous even if he is mafia, which I don't think is clear cut at this point. We have 16 dudes to catch, why don't you focus on other people first? Like tell me what you think about zeks and decon. And this risen dude who posted he was alive before the night post came in. I was witholding the information because if BC is Town aligned, Mafia could have foregone the night killed and gotten tricked out of hitting me. Where in BC could really protect me tonight while Mafia thinks he can't. Ask BC for his take on the situation and what he wants to reveal. For now I will be silent on this matter as it doesn't really help us yet. Let's be for real here for a second: This game is absolute shit for the Town. A bunch of roles that don't need to be in the game in their current format are here and the Mafia gets a headstart with lots of KP while Town PRs are gimped. Double lynches don't straight up help us: They are just as likely to hit Town as they are to hit Mafia and accelerate our decline. Every game we have double lynches I go through this and explain it but some of you don't seem to get it: Double Lynching is not a Pro-Town tool!. We are not basing lynching Palmar or letting him live because he could keep using DLs - if he is Scum it is all irrelevant. Keeping X alive a little longer is advantageous even if he is mafia - wow. In 4 years you mean to tell me no one has learned anything since Qatol was a Scum Mayor? There is no advantage in keeping someone Scummy alive. What, you think they'll just all of a sudden repent and do what you want them to do? :/ I'm focused on other people. I just don't go around posting all of my suspects until I feel the time is right. As for decon and zeks when someone has a good case against them then I'll adress it. The scummiest person in this game is Palmar because of his Day 1 actions. You guys are throwing too many names out there with no solid reasoning. If any of your cases start with "this clue points to X" then chances are your case holds no weight. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:55 xtfftc wrote: If we agree with Palmar to lynch Ace and he flips town, we're going to lynch Palmar next, so there would be no reason for Palmar to activate double lynch that night (unless both are town - but Palmar is willing to bet his life that they aren't). I'm not trading myself 1 for 1 for anyone so don't even go down that path. I know I'm more valuable than the best 5 players in this game outside of myself combined. Palmar if you want to try and do dumb stuff like that, let's accomplish it in a different way. We'll do my buddy MBH's plan. Register for paypal. Everyone in the game drops $100 in the bucket. At the end of the game, all Town players get $125. If you're Scum you lose your $100. You game? | ||
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