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On November 29 2011 01:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 01:26 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 01:24 Ace wrote:
You mean WHEN I flip Town.
By the way it's Day 2. You're the Mayor and have most of the voting power. How many players have you accused so far? Exactly as many as I can lynch. So you aren't even trying to excercise discretion and will just lynch as many people as you can. Are you even trying to pretend to be Town aligned anymore?
No...
What on earth are you talking about?
I have accused two people today, you and Zeks, which also happens to be the number of lynches available to town at the moment. I am... yes... lynching as many people as I can. Isn't that the point of the game?
I don't even know what you're arguing anymore.
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One thing i noticed with the clues that im not sure if anyone has pointed out yet.
syll's death takes place in a forest, true. It also goes out of the way to say that forest is normally empty. I took a look at a few players' profiles and found a number of them don't have anything writen in them at all. Among those is serejai, and WBG.
I will be keeping my vote on serejai for the reasons i stated eariler, and I will also be voting risen. when i get done with classes today I will catch up once again.
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He posted that after the night post was supposed to come off. He says that and later he tries to correct it "Day is same as night, more news at 11". Then posts that second post after day post comes out. You think that makes any sense? You really think he was refering to the fact that he didn't get lynched day1 at the time the night post was suposed to be already out?
Also decon, you are clearly lurking this thread since you feel the need to come out and point out rules when someone asks. Why don't you participate a bit more?
For what reason did you say me, palmar, bc and wbg were all scum day1?
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Palmar did you not post a list of "10 Scummy Fuckers"?
Did you not lynch ym because he opposed you in your own words? You had nothing on him for being Scum.
I mean come on, this is downright laughable
2. You say my case against YM is weak, clearly it was, but I have thoroughly explained my reasoning for it. Read this night's interaction with Ace if you want clarification.
Didn't you call for medics to protect me and then turn around and say I needed to be lynched when nothing I have done has proven to be scummy?
Even your reason for voting zeks is paper-thin:
Not to mention, this is good in mulitple ways. If any of the DTs decided to follow through with the plan, they will be able to deduce something about their sanity through killing Zeks. He was on the DT check list.
As I mentioned during the night, after realizing he wasn't new Zeks is a complete null-read, which means he hasn't posted enough content to analyse. Seeing as he has not posted at all since making up his mind during the mayor elections, I am going to be voting for him today.
##Vote Zeks
How convenient isn't it? A clue, the worst thing about this game because it's an absolute red herring mechanic that aids Scum more than it aids Town,"points to zeks". Let's ignore the subjective nature of clues for a second.
IF ANY DT decided to follow the plan. IF. Meaning YOU DONT KNOW if they did. No DT is going to come out and admit whether they did or did not at the current time. But killing zeks is supposed to help them?
Not only would the Detectives have had to follow the list, but they would have to have correctly picked zeks out to get off their first investigation. And even if that worked, they'd still need a second investigation to clear themselves of sane/insane or paranoid/naive.
Somehow you didn't realize this, but want to kill zeks immediately. You, somehow are dictating what consitutues content when you have done nothing but point fingers at those who oppose your ideas.
You aren't acting in the best interests of the Town, you are acting in the best interest of yourself. You are Scum
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On November 29 2011 01:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 01:19 GMarshal wrote:On November 29 2011 01:13 Ace wrote:
Register for paypal. Everyone in the game drops $100 in the bucket. At the end of the game, all Town players get $125. If you're Scum you lose your $100.
You game? Entirely against the rules as detailed in the OP. Come on Ace -__- It's not betting when you already know the outcome. So the rules don't apply here.
So you're scum and therefor know the outcome? Because there's no other possibility of 100% knowing the outcome. It's like playing poker and having AA. Sure it's a pretty decent hand but you're not going to win 100% of the times.
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United States22154 Posts
On November 29 2011 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 01:21 Ace wrote:On November 29 2011 01:19 GMarshal wrote:On November 29 2011 01:13 Ace wrote:
Register for paypal. Everyone in the game drops $100 in the bucket. At the end of the game, all Town players get $125. If you're Scum you lose your $100.
You game? Entirely against the rules as detailed in the OP. Come on Ace -__- It's not betting when you already know the outcome. So the rules don't apply here. So you're scum and therefor know the outcome? Because there's no other possibility of 100% knowing the outcome. It's like playing poker and having AA. Sure it's a pretty decent hand but you're not going to win 100% of the times.
Don't discuss this betting thing. At all. This goes for everyone. Pretend it didn't happen.
Thanks.
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Did you not lynch ym because he opposed you in your own words? You had nothing on him for being Scum.
Incorrect. I lynched him for opposing me in a way that doesn't make sense as town. It's not the fact he did oppose me, it's how he opposed me. I'm not going to explain it again, but refer to our conversation this night.
Ace: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12489903
Palmar: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12490059
Ace: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12490228
Palmar: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12490592
Ace: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12491093
Didn't you call for medics to protect me and then turn around and say I needed to be lynched when nothing I have done has proven to be scummy?
During the night, I wanted you alive for the possibility of you being town, and me being able to convince you I am town too. I know now, that will not be happening, so I am very much in favor of people killing you. My logic is quite simple.
"If Ace is town, and I respond to him clearly and confidently, he will realize he's wrong about me, re-evaluate and be very useful for town".
I don't think there is a contradiction here, only the logical way of proceeding.
How convenient isn't it? A clue, the worst thing about this game because it's an absolute red herring mechanic that aids Scum more than it aids Town,"points to zeks". Let's ignore the subjective nature of clues for a second.
IF ANY DT decided to follow the plan. IF. Meaning YOU DONT KNOW if they did. No DT is going to come out and admit whether they did or did not at the current time. But killing zeks is supposed to help them?
Not only would the Detectives have had to follow the list, but they would have to have correctly picked zeks out to get off their first investigation. And even if that worked, they'd still need a second investigation to clear themselves of sane/insane or paranoid/naive.
First of all, I'm leaning town on sandroba now, especially after syllogism flipped. This means I put more value into any case presented by sandroba. He did ask me during the night about Zeks, to which I responded newbie town after skimming very fast over the Zeks's posts. When sandroba pointed out he wasn't a newbie, I re-classified him as null read.
I don't lynch null reads.
I don't lynch solely on clues.
I don't lynch lurkers for lurking.
But when someone does nothing to look town, has clues pointing against him, and just disappears off the face of the earth for the entire night, I think I have a reason to vote for him. When you combine three reasons who might not be individually be enough to lynch someone,
About the detectives. Again, clearing half the sanities off the table in one go is helpful for any DT. And yes, because of framers we intentionally kept the list vague. It's only a tool, not a solution. Are you really saying I'm a scum because a plan I offered is not going to solve the game, only help slightly?
You aren't acting in the best interests of the Town, you are acting in the best interest of yourself. You are Scum
Nope sir, that'd be you.
Your little betting thing actually makes you look worse. You knew it would never be allowed, and you knew you probably weren't going to be modkilled for it. So, in the end, I am going to be the one looking bad for it. I actually think not modkilling you is straight up cheating against me.
But the difference between us is that I didn't feel the need to bring in outside resources to help me win the game. You're not this dumb. You know you're breaking the rules, you've played for many years and this OP has been used for a good stint of that time.
You're leveraging your position as a player who commands enough respect to not be modkilled for even a serious offense like this, and you know it.
Just like you know I'm town.
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##Vote: supersoft
##Vote: Palmar
Down with the scum mayor and his brethren!
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Okay I thought a bit and realized that risen dude is probably best left for a lurker shot, since he has almost no posts and it's a nice use of it. If he is scum mafia would 100% bus that shit without giving it a second thought, so I think a vig shot is more productive in that matter.
Now decon on the other hand: Filter him and look at his posts. He has said absolutely nothing relevant to the game besides his case on wbg. He says in one of his first posts "I will lynch a veteran player who is trying to look like they are contributing without really saying anything. I've found that this is generally one of the better scumtells that even good players fall victim to." which means he knows better. It is exactly what he has been doing. He is making posts that look like he is contributing without really saying anything. He is clearly lurking the thread because he pops in as soon as someone asks or say something he can give out a non contribution as an answer. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=34027
Now look at his analysis which is his only post of content:
On November 28 2011 18:53 deconduo wrote:WhereBugsGo WBG is the shouty kid who always gets what he wants because he cries louder than anyone else. His scum meta is pretty straightforward, drown out anyone who FOSes him or disagrees with him. He will make as many posts as possible, use insults, and just yell as loud as possible to get people to side with him. This is especially effective in a newbie game where long posts full of bullshit will look pro town. He gets especially aggravated when there is no clear case against him, which is what I've been doing so far this game. Have a look at his filter in couples therapy, especially towards the middle where me + Sandro accuse him. Its the same in mini mafia X with prplhz. He is posting the exact same way in this game. His pissing match with redFF is another good example. Palmar is scum as well, and its painfully obvious the two of them are working together. There was no good reason to lynch YM, as several people had pointed out his only 'crime' was to oppose Palmar's run somewhat vocally. The instant he did so Palmar and WBG jumped on him. I initially thought Sandro was probably scum as well, he's been lurking a lot more than usual. I'm less sure of it now that WBG tried to bus him, but its still a possibility. He certainly isn't playing his usual town game, but he wasn't doing it in MMX either so he might be trying to change.
His post on wbg simply points out his behaviour which is the same way he behaves as town. Lotr, res mafia, mafia xlv come to mind. It does not prove or indicate that wbg is scum. Then he comments on me saying an outright lie, since I have at least 10x more posts than the average in this thread and am not lurking in this game at all.
This is another fabricated contribution and not a genuinely thought out post. Decon is scum. I sugest that everyone that is voting risen let him die by lurker vigs and change the vote to someone they justify voting for.
Also clues alone is no reason to vote for a player. If you are voting you must give reasons about his behaviour.
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@Palmar can you confidently say ace is scum after playing with him in ressurection mafia?
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Hey all, as I posted back a ways, I was at Dreamhack all weekend, so my activity here was pretty non-existent. Tonight, my goal is to get through all of this massive thread, but after 45 minutes, I'm convinced that's not possible in one sitting, so I'll be taking it chunk by chunk, as well as reading everything after this post.
It's been a while since I last played a game here (last time was maybe the game that Ver analyzed in his stickied thread, I was red in that game, so if you want to laugh at my horrible mistakes, go for it) and most of the veterans I don't even recognize...! But I think it'll take me a bit to get back in the swing of things, so cut me a little bit of slack.
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My "bet" was awesome as it wasn't even a bet. It was a guarantee but you can keep crying about it all you want. Scum.
Not even going to argue with you anymore though as it's a waste of my time. You'll get whats coming to you one way or another.
@sandroba: I was reading back again to early game and I've got a question. What do you think about the way this game is balanced, using the early plan proposed by BC as a frame of reference.
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@ace can you elaborate on that, I don't quite understand what you are asking.
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That sounds like an essay question O.O
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Look at the roles listed in the OP. Do you think this game is balanced and why?
Then look at the "DT" plans proposed early on in the game. Is there anything that changes your early game stance, anything that stands out?
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jesus fucking christ can we stop with the blatant cheating?
i dont care what fucking color anyone is, this entire game becomes pointless when you start to cheat.
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On November 29 2011 01:13 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 00:55 xtfftc wrote:On November 29 2011 00:41 Mattchew wrote:On November 29 2011 00:25 Match wrote:On November 28 2011 23:46 Mattchew wrote:
##vote ace
##vote risen Curious as to why you voted these two. Followed Palmar's 1 for 1 theory especially with ace calling so hard for his lynching while I write this. I figured that palmar can atleast leave us with double lynching if Ace is lynched first and actually turns out to be town. If we agree with Palmar to lynch Ace and he flips town, we're going to lynch Palmar next, so there would be no reason for Palmar to activate double lynch that night (unless both are town - but Palmar is willing to bet his life that they aren't). I'm not trading myself 1 for 1 for anyone so don't even go down that path. I know I'm more valuable than the best 5 players in this game outside of myself combined. Palmar if you want to try and do dumb stuff like that, let's accomplish it in a different way. We'll do my buddy MBH's plan. Register for paypal. Everyone in the game drops $100 in the bucket. At the end of the game, all Town players get $125. If you're Scum you lose your $100. You game?
This beyond illegal in any Mafia game. Many forums auto mod kill for even suggesting it that way it can't be wifomd as he would only say that as town.
You basically just hacked.
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WE ARE NOT VOTING PALMAR NOR ACE. period.
it is retarded to vote out the mayor when he is using double lynches for the town and when it is a clue game. do not let either of these two players sway the town one way or the other.
palmar stop OMGUSing ace
ace stop tunneling the mayor.
if the time comes to pop him that will be later and town is more than capable of doing so on a later date.
also, with "double lynch is not a pro town tool" i wonder what color ace happens to be. very interesting.
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Please stop discussing the Ace bet thing. Next person to bring it up faces my wrath.
The consequences of Ace's actions are being discussed. Thanks.
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and i actually agree with the modkill on ace for that. its blatant fucking cheats and ruins games and makes people quit mafia.
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