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First of all, I want to clarify a something. I am not a sheep, as you can see on the picture above.
On November 28 2011 08:51 Ace wrote:
supersoft is a typical sheep.
supersoft is a typical sheep.
I guess you're referring to this.
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On November 24 2011 19:17 supersoft wrote:
A little contribution
The blue color has nothing to do with my role. It just looks nice.
okay while showering I made a plan how I want to play this game out. I want to win this game and I play very systematically to win it. I don't want to hurt feelings, but I may have to if it's necessary to win. I went through the playerlist and I filtered out the players I remember from former games. Only few are capable to play as mayor:
kitaman27 I think he's a reasonable player and therefor a reasonable choice.
sandroba I can agree on what he said about himself so far
Palmar I can also agree on what he said about himself. He really is one of the best players here. If he behaves properly I am going to vote him
wherebugsgo (doesn't get bold because he didn't post yet despite the fact he was online)
syllogism (and he doesn't want to)
maybe Greymist/Erandorr/BC (I didn't play with him yet)/decon
In my first post, I said I'll do the mayorjob. I want to retract that. I don't want to cause even more chaos. My goal for the first day will be to get one of these players - if he behaves like I expect him to behave - into the mayorposition.
sinani206 and prplhz are nice people. But they are definetely not capable to play as mayor.
They play completely random both as town and as scum. Maybe they change their play this game. But I don't want to bet the outcome of this game on that.
I can't support redFF either. couple therapiemafia etc. You dont understand my plan until now.
long story short:
I want to make sure we elect no randommayor or scummayor instead I want us to elect a skilled townmayor.
A little contribution
The blue color has nothing to do with my role. It just looks nice.
okay while showering I made a plan how I want to play this game out. I want to win this game and I play very systematically to win it. I don't want to hurt feelings, but I may have to if it's necessary to win. I went through the playerlist and I filtered out the players I remember from former games. Only few are capable to play as mayor:
kitaman27 I think he's a reasonable player and therefor a reasonable choice.
sandroba I can agree on what he said about himself so far
Palmar I can also agree on what he said about himself. He really is one of the best players here. If he behaves properly I am going to vote him
wherebugsgo (doesn't get bold because he didn't post yet despite the fact he was online)
syllogism (and he doesn't want to)
maybe Greymist/Erandorr/BC (I didn't play with him yet)/decon
In my first post, I said I'll do the mayorjob. I want to retract that. I don't want to cause even more chaos. My goal for the first day will be to get one of these players - if he behaves like I expect him to behave - into the mayorposition.
sinani206 and prplhz are nice people. But they are definetely not capable to play as mayor.
They play completely random both as town and as scum. Maybe they change their play this game. But I don't want to bet the outcome of this game on that.
I can't support redFF either. couple therapiemafia etc. You dont understand my plan until now.
long story short:
I want to make sure we elect no randommayor or scummayor instead I want us to elect a skilled townmayor.
And you are right. From your perspective it looks like that. I gave Palmar my vote extremely early. I think I was the first person to give him my vote. And you draw the following conclusion.
On November 28 2011 08:51 Ace wrote:
However if he's easily pandering to Palmar and handroba to convince him that just reeks of Scum selling his vote (until it hits an ally).
However if he's easily pandering to Palmar and handroba to convince him that just reeks of Scum selling his vote (until it hits an ally).
and the conclusion is wrong. I wanted to cosy Palmar along and see what his reaction is. At this point of time, I was not convinced at all that he's a good mayor! I acted deliberately naiv to get information.
My experience is that scum easily falls for befriending attempts and this was the only purpose of my early vote.
to be honest, I didn't expect the possibility that someone would accuse me for that. And I can't blame you.
I can only show you another game where I followed a similar pattern - however that game was a PM game and I told mig right from the start that I would try to act naive hoping that scum would overextend themselves. That strategy worked with DropBear back then and he thought he could tickle the name of our vigilante out of me. It failed with Incognito. That guy was town and reacted scummy as hell. WBG remembers that game.
On October 07 2011 06:09 supersoft wrote:
other key log of mine
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other key log of mine
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[10:39] <supers> hey
[10:39] <Mig__> yo
[10:39] <supers> well
[10:39] <supers> you got a minute?
[10:39] <Mig__> yep
[10:40] <supers> i want to talk about the icognito case
[10:40] <Mig__> great
[10:40] <Mig__> basically today I only want to lynch incog or NC
[10:40] <Mig__> they are way way too good for this
[10:40] <supers> mhm
[10:41] <Mig__> notice how in their case they didnt even mention that palmar was the pyro?
[10:41] <Mig__> they are leaving out facts to try and make their case work against curu
[10:41] <Mig__> I mean in what universe does mafia kill their own kp?
[10:41] <Mig__> I know both of them know this
[10:41] <Mig__> the thing about incog is
[10:42] <Mig__> so him/nc/wbg all wrote the case right thats why they post their stupid 3 headed dragon picture
[10:42] <Mig__> buttt NC and wbg are the only 2 who post the cases
[10:42] <Mig__> incog just posts I dont think anything else must be said
[10:42] <Mig__> so if they got curu lynched and he flips town who takes the heat?
[10:42] <Mig__> those 2 not incog
[10:42] <Mig__> and I have incog on aim he has been online all night
[10:42] <Mig__> yet hasnt commented a single time once I came in and crushed their stupid case?
[10:43] <Mig__> I know he is reading the thread
[10:43] <supers> he's the one who had this idea
[10:43] <Mig__> You mentioned how prplz death makes you think incog might be town right
[10:43] <supers> of curu being scum
[10:44] <supers> yes
[10:44] <supers> because he wanted me to shoot prplhz
[10:44] <Mig__> but did you notice NC used it as defense for incog isnt scum when he responded to me?
[10:44] <Mig__> I believe they planned out prplzs death either themselves for a vig
[10:44] <Mig__> to use as a defense
[10:44] <Mig__> which is why he posted the long analysis against him right before day
[10:44] <supers> maybe
[10:44] <supers> lol
[10:45] <Mig__> oh it was his idea that curu was scum?
[10:45] <supers> i think so
[10:45] <Mig__> I didnt even know that I just know the 3 of them were in on it
[10:45] <Mig__> so he is the one who started everything lol
[10:45] <Mig__> and he doesnt even mention that palmar was the pyro
[10:45] <Mig__> brilliant
[10:45] <supers> "Kenpachi is probably town. You need to shoot Curu."
[10:45] <Mig__> he told you that?
[10:45] <supers> 10/2/11 08:40
[10:45] <supers> yes
[10:45] <Mig__> wowwww
[10:46] <supers> Hmm all yesterday I was leaning town. He is just way overzealous. I'll keep an eye on him but for right now I'm looking at some of the more lurkerish people. Curu has mysteriously disappeared over the last day, quite a sharp contrast from "parlmar 100% red". What do you think of him?
[10:46] <supers> and
[10:46] <supers> incognito
[10:46] <supers> already posted something about curu way before this 3headed dragon thing
[10:47] <Mig__> so almost certainly he is one that orchestrated all of this
[10:47] <Mig__> that is just lol
[10:47] <supers> probably yes
[10:48] <Mig__> there is some chance wbg/nc could be town and incog just manipulated them he is very good
[10:48] <supers> its that post October 02 2011 04:16
[10:49] <Mig__> so I wouldnt be surprised if he is misleading them
[10:49] <supers> i think that wbg is easy to manipulate
[10:49] <Mig__> for sure he is
[10:49] <Mig__> I def agree with that lol
[10:49] <supers> ^_^
[10:50] <supers> he wanted to talk to me
[10:50] <supers> i'll act as if i still think that icognito is town
[10:50] <Mig__> I talked to wbg a lot today he is really really stubborn
[10:50] <supers> and try to get as much informations out of him as possible
[10:50] <Mig__> but I honestly think he is just dumb town
[10:50] <supers> yes
[10:51] <Mig__> k that sounds like a good idea
[10:51] <supers> okay so
[10:51] <Mig__> lynch is in 13 hours so not a ton of time but anything you can get is helpful
[10:51] <supers> incognito told me to shoot prplhz
[10:51] <supers> after that he posted that analysis
[10:51] <Mig__> you said no to shooting prpl when he asked you right?
[10:51] <supers> yes
[10:52] <supers> i said i wont shoot him
[10:52] <Mig__> yea then shocker he still dies that night
[10:52] <supers> yep
[10:52] <Mig__> seems bit strange to be a coincidence
[10:52] <supers> i think the original plan could have been like this:
[10:52] <supers> he wanted me to shoot him
[10:53] <supers> and at the same time shoot him himseld
[10:53] <supers> f
[10:53] <supers> lol hard to explain :D
[10:53] <Mig__> yea possible or if you agreed to shoot him he can kill another person
[10:53] <supers> because the scumshot
[10:53] <supers> hits prplhz first
[10:53] <supers> my shot would not count
[10:54] <Mig__> well he maybe trying to manipulate you to waste your shot because you would get it back if that were the case
[10:54] <Mig__> but the thing is thats why he wrote the big analysis
[10:54] <Mig__> so that he was covered
[10:54] <Mig__> if you shot him he is just like oh my bad but look at my analysis I thought he was mafia
[10:54] <supers> hmm
[10:54] <supers> yea but this would have been a bad plan
[10:55] <Mig__> not if he underestimates you and thinks he can manipulate you
[10:55] <Mig__> then he will try and use your powers to kill a townie if possible
[10:55] <Mig__> basically he has wanted you to target 2 townies now
[10:55] <Mig__> I mean shooting curu 1 day after he lynched the pyro? That is just insane
[10:56] <supers> ofc it is.
[10:56] <supers> curu is town
[10:56] <Mig__> yea
[10:56] <supers> this plan i way to complicated
[10:56] <supers> i also talked to curu
[10:56] <supers> a lot
[10:57] <supers> we talked about your roleblock
[10:57] <supers> etc.
[10:57] <supers> i didnt save that log
[10:57] <Mig__> yea
[10:57] <supers> but seriously if he was scum, why would he roleblock you
[10:57] <supers> if curu was scum
[10:57] <supers> these nightkills
[10:57] <Mig__> yea lol there is 0 reason curu would ever roleblock me
[10:58] <supers> would not make sense at all
[10:58] <Mig__> I claimed vanilla to him it makes no sense
[10:58] <Mig__> yep
[10:58] <Mig__> thats a big thing that makes me suspicious of NC also
[10:58] <supers> not only this roleblock
[10:58] <Mig__> because NC just dismissed that point as if it were nothing
[10:58] <Mig__> when it really is important
[10:58] <supers> mhm
[10:59] <supers> do you know who nc really is?
[11:00] <Mig__> 95% sure he is gmarshal
[11:00] <supers> ok
[11:00] <Mig__> is was almost positive he was that before then tnkted confirmed it
[11:00] <supers> what do you think of forumite
[11:00] <supers> i wonder why he survived the night
[11:00] <Mig__> well I think he is probably town he claimed a role to me
[11:00] <Mig__> yea I wonder that as well
[11:01] <Mig__> but he claimed a role that made sense to me
[11:01] <supers> i mean, jackal was muted
[11:01] <supers> but seriously
[11:01] <Mig__> if we survives another 2 days I would be very very suspicious of him
[11:01] <Mig__> if he*
[11:01] <supers> he was no sniper
[11:01] <Mig__> yea
[11:01] <supers> that was obvious
[11:01] <Mig__> but right now I think he is town because he also fake shotted same time as jackal to try and protect him
[11:01] <Mig__> so mafia wouldnt know who to shoot if jackal was real sniper
[11:02] <supers> or
[11:02] <supers> hes scum
[11:02] <Mig__> which is pretty pro town
[11:02] <supers> fakeshottet
[11:02] <Mig__> why would scum do that tho?
[11:02] <Mig__> because scum would think jackal was real sniper right
[11:02] <supers> so noone else tries to protect jackal
[11:02] <Mig__> so they would just laugh and let him kill wbg
[11:02] <Mig__> hm I really think they would just sit back and let it happen
[11:03] <supers> hmm okay
[11:03] <Mig__> but I think he is someone we can worry about a little later because if mafia doesnt shoot or rb him there is something fishy going on
[11:03] <Mig__> but we can let mafia deal with him if he is actually town
[11:03] <supers> yes
[11:03] <supers> thats the reason why i didn't accuse him in the thread
[11:04] <supers> because an accusation delivers a reason not to shoot him
[11:04] <Mig__> yep for sure
[11:05] <supers> hmm okay incognito
[11:05] <supers> i am not sure whether he or NC is the right person
[11:05] <supers> his plan would be really complex
[11:06] <Mig__> I like both as mafia but the extra info that incognito started the whole thing
[11:06] <Mig__> makes me more sure of him
[11:06] <Mig__> because incognito is reallllllly good one of the best players on TL if he is mafia he could easily manipulate others
[11:06] <supers> okay.
[11:07] <supers> i wonder if he really buys my vig claim
[11:07] <supers> lol
[11:07] <Mig__> lol he does
[11:07] <Mig__> he told me he has a blue vig who supports him
[11:07] <supers> hahaha
[11:07] <Mig__> didnt say who but pretty funny that I knew who he was talking about
[11:07] <supers> indeed
[11:08] <supers> okay
[11:08] <supers> i tell him that i am still not convinced
[11:08] <supers> that either he or curu are scum
[11:09] <supers> i ask him out about wbg and NC
[11:09] <supers> i tell him that i think that forumite is town
[11:09] <supers> and who else do we have?
[11:09] <Mig__> k that all sounds good
[11:09] <supers> kenpachi
[11:09] <Mig__> right now
[11:09] <Mig__> ken/nisani are 100% on our side
[11:10] <supers> nisani yes
[11:10] <supers> okay
[11:10] <Mig__> erandorr I am almost positive will vote for us
[11:10] <supers> yes he's german
[11:10] <Mig__> rofl :p
[11:10] <supers> i wrote him a german PM
[11:10] <supers> :D
[11:10] <Mig__> lolol
[11:10] <supers> i got this guy
[11:10] <supers> lol it's a lot easier to manipulate people in german language
[11:11] <supers> it's nearly impossible in english
[11:11] <supers> I can only act naive
[11:11] <supers> and incognito bought it lol
[11:12] <Mig__> lololol
[11:13] <Mig__> ok gonna go get some food and sleep be back after that
[11:14] <Mig__> cya
[11:14] <supers> yep
[11:14] <supers> cu
[20:31] <Mig__> super hello friend!
[20:32] <supersoft> hehe
[20:32] <Mig__> so incog sent this to you?
[20:32] <supersoft> well, i got WBGs logs
[20:32] <Mig__> when did he send it?
[20:32] <supersoft> everything
[20:32] <Mig__> oh wbg gave it?
[20:32] <supersoft> 5 minutes
[20:32] <Mig__> k
[20:32] <supersoft> and i am talking to sevryn right now
[20:32] <supersoft> this guy is so scummy
[20:33] <Mig__> k I am still reading the logs
[20:34] <supersoft> i got some more
[20:34] <supersoft> if you finished that
[20:34] <Mig__> between who?
[20:34] <supersoft> me and sevryn
[20:34] <supersoft> and wbg and incognito
[20:34] <Mig__> k great I will read those also
[20:34] <supersoft> and me and wbg
[20:34] <supersoft> yep
[20:35] <Mig__> ah I notice in this log again gm points out why would incog shoot prpl
[20:36] <Mig__> when wbg shows any doubts in incog
[20:36] <Mig__> gm always comes to his defense lol
[20:45] <Mig__> ok read it all
[20:46] <supersoft> so
[20:47] <supersoft> what do you think about NC
[20:47] <Mig__> you requested chat logs of just nc and incog right?
[20:47] <Mig__> you and wbg both requested those
[20:47] <Mig__> but havent gotten any
[20:47] <Mig__> is that right?
[20:48] <Mig__> because so far nobody has seen those 2 actually talk to each other alone
[20:48] <supersoft> yes
[20:48] <supersoft> thats correct
[20:48] <supersoft> but both of them weren't online since i asked them to post that
[20:49] <Mig__> if incog flips scum and NC cant produce instantly some long long chat logs of them talking
[20:49] <Mig__> I think they are virtually guaranteed scum
[20:49] <Mig__> yea I find that a bit strange
[20:49] <Mig__> that they havent been aruond
[20:49] <Mig__> they go through that huge trouble to write the giant case on curu right
[20:49] <supersoft> mhm
[20:49] <Mig__> now its 3 hours before lynch and they are still missing?
[20:49] <supersoft> and dont support it afterwards
[20:49] <Mig__> like wtf
[20:49] <Mig__> yep
[20:50] <supersoft> if we reduce their KP to 1 today
[20:50] <supersoft> it's over
[20:50] <Mig__> I agree
[20:50] <supersoft> there is no way they can do it with only one kp
[20:50] <Mig__> I feel like they may have gone all out here to try and get curu lynched
[20:50] <Mig__> and now they are kinda giving up
[20:50] <supersoft> yes
[20:50] <Mig__> after it failing
[20:50] <supersoft> if they lynch curu and kill you at night
[20:50] <supersoft> there would have been a chance
[20:51] <Mig__> yep because the 2 most vocal townies gone
[20:51] <Mig__> I bet they think they could just manipulate eveyrone then
[20:51] <Mig__> they already had wbg in their pocket lol
[20:51] <supersoft> yes
[20:51] <supersoft> :D
[20:51] <supersoft> and they got me
[20:51] <Mig__> and you they think
[20:51] <supersoft> the nightvig
[20:51] <supersoft> lol
[20:51] <Mig__> :ppp
[20:51] <supersoft> aka drunk demoman :D
[20:51] <Mig__> if incog flips scum
[20:51] <Mig__> it is over
[20:51] <Mig__> for sure
[20:52] <Mig__> even if he doesnt I think NC then is almost guaranteed scum
[20:52] <supersoft> if not we're in some trouble
[20:52] <supersoft> yes NC and sevryn/forumite
[20:52] <Mig__> well like me/you/wbg/curu I am very confident in really
[20:52] <Mig__> so we have a good core group
[20:52] <Mig__> 1 mislynch wont ruin everything
[20:52] <supersoft> no
[20:53] <Mig__> but really I think incog is scum lol
[20:53] <supersoft> one mislynch is okay
[20:53] <Mig__> so hopefully we dont ahve to worry about this at all
[20:53] <supersoft> yea
[20:53] <supersoft> but like you said
[20:53] <supersoft> it was probably an all-in attempt
[20:53] <Mig__> yea right now that is what I believe
[20:54] <supersoft> 2 hours left
[20:54] <Mig__> 3
[20:54] <supersoft> i'll copy that wbg/incognitologs
[20:54] <supersoft> ah yes
[20:54] <supersoft> 3
[20:54] <supersoft> and eat something etc.
[20:54] <Mig__> ah yea I would love to see wbg incog
[20:55] <Mig__> let me know once those are up
[20:55] <supersoft> 5min
[21:02] <supersoft> okay i copied everything that wasn't too long into the QT
[21:02] <supersoft> and one additional irclog per PM
[21:02] <Mig__> k awesome I am reading it now
[21:02] <supersoft> hf :D
[21:14] <Mig__> super
[21:15] <Mig__> this is AMAZING
[21:15] <Mig__> they thought they were going to be able to bully the thread
[21:15] <Mig__> by threatening vig shots
[21:15] <Mig__> because of you! hahaha
[21:17] <supersoft> :D
[21:17] <supersoft> i juste red it too
[21:17] <supersoft> i can't believe he bought this
[21:18] <supersoft> lol everyone is curious who that mysterious vig is
[21:18] <supersoft> wbg asked me, too
[21:18] <Mig__> rofl
[21:19] <supersoft> that game :D
[20:33] <Curu> about jcarl?
[20:33] <Curu> before posting their case on me
[20:33] <supersoft> no
[20:33] <supersoft> i never talked to NC
[20:33] <supersoft> and incog spammed my inbox a lot
[20:33] <supersoft> i got to look that up
[20:34] <Curu> he never asked you to shoot jcarl
[20:34] <Curu> right
[20:34] <supersoft> no
[20:34] <Curu> right ok
[20:34] <supersoft> btw
[20:34] <supersoft> i talked to wbg and sevryn
[20:34] <Curu> I am like 70% sure NotChez and Incog are Mafia together then
[20:35] <supersoft> wbg gave me all his logs
[20:35] <supersoft> yes
[20:35] <Curu> WBG is most likely Town
[20:35] <supersoft> correct
[20:35] <supersoft> he gave me everything
[20:35] <supersoft> he talked to incognito
[20:35] <supersoft> and NC
[20:35] <Curu> yes
[20:35] <supersoft> i posted some of it in our QT
[20:35] <supersoft> mig is reading this right now :D
[20:36] <Curu> Mig know eveyrthing I know anyways
[20:36] <Curu> lol
[20:36] <Curu> I have talked to him nonstop since the game started
[20:36] <supersoft> i know
[20:36] <supersoft> ^_^
[20:37] <Curu> I am pretty sure you, Mig, Erandorr, WBG, Nisani, Kenpachi, jcarl are all town
[20:37] <supersoft> yes
[20:37] <Curu> if Incog flips scum this game is pretty much over
[20:37] <supersoft> yes+
[20:38] <Curu> but yeah they both tried hard to get jcarl as a lynch
[20:38] <supersoft> we kill sevryn/NC and Foumite
[20:38] <supersoft> and GG
[20:38] <Curu> they questioned a lot of people about jcarl
[20:38] <Curu> oh I think Forumite is Town too
[20:38] <Curu> but htey questioned a lot of people about jcarl
[20:38] <Curu> but somehow didnt want you to shoot him
[20:38] <Curu> they were going to try him as a mislynch if I told them I would rather lynch jcar
[20:38] <Curu> than incog
[20:41] <Curu> the fact that they never asked you to shoot jcarl though
[20:41] <Curu> even though they asked you to shoot everyone else
[20:41] <Curu> and incog has been on jcarl since day 1
[20:41] <Curu> I'm pretty convinced they are both Mafia
[20:41] <Curu> who planned to use jcarl as the mislynch
[20:41] <supersoft> i think so too
[20:41] <supersoft> however trying to lynch you is pretty risky
[20:41] <supersoft> if they both are scum
[20:42] <supersoft> i asked incognito to give me the logs between him an NC
[20:42] <supersoft> if they have no logs, they are pretty much confirmed
[20:42] <Curu> see what I suspected was
[20:42] <supersoft> also sevryn
[20:42] <supersoft> he has no logs at all
[20:42] <Curu> then they are guaranteed to be able to kill Mig
[20:42] <Curu> then with me and Mig gone try to lead the Town themselves
[20:43] <Curu> a lot of conjecture but it could be possible
[20:43] <supersoft> if they shoot both of you,
[20:43] <supersoft> what would be the best move they could do right now
[20:43] <supersoft> ah wait
[20:43] <supersoft> do they have enough KP
[20:43] <Curu> they cant though
[20:43] <Curu> if incog is scum
[20:43] <supersoft> if we lynch incognito?
[20:43] <Curu> they have 1 kp
[20:43] <supersoft> hahaha
[20:43] <Curu> exactly
[20:43] <supersoft> yeah incognito has to die
[20:44] <supersoft> but i think i could lead town to victory from now on. even if you die.
[20:44] <supersoft> i think erandorr and wbg are on my side
[20:45] <supersoft> and i have these huge logs :D
[20:45] <Curu> yep
[20:45] <Curu> the problem isnt how good your reads are though
[20:45] <Curu> the problem is if they kill the more vocal players then they use their reputation
[20:45] <Curu> since you haven't been posting much
[20:45] <supersoft> mhm
[20:45] <Curu> even if you try to lead lynches against them they might be able to convince the derptown members
[20:46] <supersoft> but you know
[20:46] <supersoft> if incog dies
[20:46] <supersoft> there are only 2 scumteammembers left
[20:46] <Curu> yep
[20:47] <supersoft> we can do this. I think they might also kill me
[20:47] <supersoft> incog believes my claim
[20:47] <supersoft> he tells everyone he has a nightvig
[20:47] <Curu> lol
[20:47] <Curu> if Incog dies TOwn's won
[20:47] <Curu> 99.999999%
[20:47] <supersoft> he will die 100%
[20:47] <Curu> if Incog is scum
[20:48] <supersoft> if he's scum
[20:48] <supersoft> if not he played just aweful
[20:48] <supersoft> really
[20:49] <Curu> yeah really really bad
[20:49] <Curu> and he says he's been busy in PM land
[20:49] <Curu> for so long
[20:49] <Curu> lol
[20:49] <Curu> all that time and what he comes up with is that bullshit case on me?
[20:52] <supersoft> yep
[20:53] <supersoft> it was an all-in attempt
[20:54] <supersoft> i am going to copy the wbg/incognitologs
[20:54] <supersoft> and eat something etc.
[20:55] <Curu> kk
[21:02] <supersoft> update in the QT
[21:02] <supersoft> and PM
[21:02] <supersoft> etc.
[21:02] <supersoft> thats a lot of stuff
[22:42] <xtfftc> I am left with the impression that WBG started the Curu thing
[22:42] <xtfftc> but a lot of people seem to consider Curu as confirmed town
[22:42] <supers> he is dead now
[22:43] <supers> and confirmed
[22:43] <xtfftc> not curu
[22:43] <xtfftc> wbg*
[22:43] <supers> ah yes
[22:43] <supers> i don't
[22:43] <supers> i just wait for a slip
[22:43] <supers> i don't trust anyone
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> it's basically what I've done in PMs
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> I PMed Mig, tnkted, and a few others
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> giving them my logs and reads
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> when I believed I was about to get shot
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> because Jackal and Forumite both ##aimed me in the thread
[22:44] <supers> hm yes
[22:44] <supers> mig was confident, that wbg was town
[22:44] <supers> incognito also
[22:44] <supers> and curu also
[22:44] <xtfftc> that's the thing
[22:44] <xtfftc> I'd say that he is mafia
[22:45] <xtfftc> but a lot of vets think that he is a townie
[22:45] <supers> yes
[22:45] <supers> we have to wait for him
[22:45] <supers> today i'd suggest sevryn
[22:46] <xtfftc> sevryn looks like his typical dumb townie to me
[22:46] <xtfftc> do you have any logs with him to share?
[22:47] <supers> posted them in the thread
[22:47] <supers> yeah he probably is a little bit dumb
[22:47] <supers> :-(
[22:55] <supers> this guy
[22:55] <supers> is too agressive
[22:55] <xtfftc> yep
[22:55] <supers> i want to apologize for his behaviour ;-)
[22:55] <supers> now i remember why we thought that he's town
[22:56] <xtfftc> his behaviour is fine
[22:56] <xtfftc> it's part of the game
[22:56] <xtfftc> why did you think he's town again?
[22:58] <supers> because he's so fucking agressive in irc :D
[22:59] <supers> and i think incognito and NC manipulated him
[22:59] <supers> unfortunately for you
[23:00] <xtfftc> he's been aggressive in the thread from the very start as well
[23:01] <supers> yep
[23:01] <supers> he's probably town
[23:01] <supers> i don't think that he's faking this agressiveness
[23:01] <supers> you know what i mean?
[23:01] <supers> he's probably VT
[23:03] <xtfftc> consider this
[23:03] <xtfftc> wbg is a relatively new player who doesn't have a lot of experience with being mafia
[23:03] <xtfftc> he usually posts A LOT
[23:03] <xtfftc> probably more than anyone else on TL mafia
[23:04] <xtfftc> if he doesn't, he'd attract a lot of attention
[23:04] <xtfftc> so he needs to do something else
[23:04] <xtfftc> he's been playing the same way palmar played in LOTR and Ace's game
[23:05] <xtfftc> he was third party in LOTR and mafia in Ace's, so he wanted to disrupt town in both games
[23:05] <xtfftc> he was posting a lot and was being really aggressive
[23:05] <xtfftc> and now WBG is playing exactly like this.. I wouldn't be surprised if Palmar's been coaching him
[23:06] <xtfftc> the thing that bugs me is that good players who flipped town were sure of his allignment
[23:06] <xtfftc> alignment*
[23:07] <supers> hmm
[23:08] <supers> [23:07] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[23:08] <supers> lol
[23:08] <supers> ^_^
[23:10] <xtfftc> he's probably sensing that I'm onto him and wants to relent me ^^
[23:11] <xtfftc> what do you think of what I just wrote about him and palmar?
[23:11] <supers> it's a possibility
[23:11] <supers> for sure
[23:11] <supers> and if he's scum
[23:11] <supers> you might be town :D
[23:11] <supers> otherwise it looks grim
[23:11] <supers> because i don't think
[23:12] <supers> this incog/wbg/nc connection
[23:12] <supers> was 100% town ^_^
[23:12] <supers> seriously
[23:12] <supers> GM is not stupid
[23:12] <supers> Curu was modconfirmed town
[23:12] <supers> you know
[23:12] <supers> i still think you're scum
[23:13] <xtfftc> tt
[23:13] <supers> sorry dude
[23:13] <supers> nothing personal :D
[23:14] <supers> okay
[23:14] <supers> i got to sleep
[23:14] <supers> sorry :-o
[23:14] <xtfftc> gimme a minute
[23:14] <supers> okay
[23:14] <xtfftc> I just want to find something in the logs
[23:15] <xtfftc> unless I'm imagining it
[23:16] <supers> :D
[23:16] <supers> what do you think about forumite?
[23:17] <xtfftc> nothing yet
[23:17] <supers> k
[23:17] <xtfftc> I'll try to post on everyone tomorrow
[23:17] <supers> think about him!
[23:17] <xtfftc> this is how the log between wbg and gm starts
[23:17] <supers> i won't vote until tomorrow
[23:18] <xtfftc> personwhoPMs is wbg
[23:18] <xtfftc> MrFluffles is gm
[23:18] <supers> ahm w8
[23:18] <supers> yes
[23:18] <xtfftc> Charles Suo is curu
[23:18] <supers> fluffles is GM
[23:18] <xtfftc> and wbg is quoting him
[23:18] <supers> correct
[23:18] <supers> i guess
[23:18] <supers> too tired to check
[23:18] <supers> the names are correct
[23:19] <xtfftc> you'll have th eopportunity to check it
[23:19] <xtfftc> if you want to... I don't imagine even a lazy mafia lying about something like this anyway
[23:19] <xtfftc> I don't really understand this bit:
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:48] <@MrFluffles> again I have no faith in "scumslips"
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:48] <personwhoPMs> Maajid Mohammed Nazrulla [9/29/2011 3:52:08 PM] Charles Suo: it was funny cause everything Kurumi said [9/29/2011 3:52:11 PM] Charles Suo: just made it more and more obvious [9/29/2011 3:52:15 PM] Charles Suo: one of us was mafia [9/29/2011 3:52:27 PM] Charles Suo: threatening to modkill both lol [9/29/2011 3:52:35 PM] Charles Suo: if we were same alignment he wouldn't have said anyt
[23:19] <xtfftc> hing
[23:19] <xtfftc> and then WBG continues with:
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:48] <personwhoPMs> does that
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:48] <personwhoPMs> strike you as weird?
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:49] <personwhoPMs> [9/29/2011 3:52:56 PM] Charles Suo: he basically confirmed me as town [9/29/2011 3:52:58 PM] Charles Suo: to everyone in the irc channel
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:50] <@MrFluffles> yes yes it does
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:50] <@MrFluffles> I like his "emphasis" on "I am town, 100% confirmed"
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:50] <personwhoPMs> it struck me as weird too
[23:20] <xtfftc> [03:51] <@MrFluffles> scum LOVE that
[23:20] <supers> mhm
[23:20] <supers> man
[23:20] <supers> GM is manipulating wbg
[23:20] <supers> :-(
[23:20] <xtfftc> maybe
[23:20] <xtfftc> this is the very first log I have
[23:20] <xtfftc> and WBG starts the curu thing
[23:20] <xtfftc> tomorrow I'll try to get wbg talking about it
[23:21] <xtfftc> to see if there was something before it... GM told me there was nothing relevant
[23:21] <supers> i got wbgs shit, all of it :D
[23:21] <supers> i got to reread that too
[23:21] <supers> man
[23:21] <xtfftc> and I'll check the dates to see if GM posted anything on Curu before that in the thread
[23:22] <xtfftc> anyway, see you tomorrow
[23:22] <supers> yep
[23:22] <supers> thanks
[23:22] <supers> :-)
[23:22] <supers> cu
[22:34] <wherebugsgo> lol what are you doing
[22:39] <supers> sharing some gems
[22:40] <supers> i got much much much much more
[22:40] <supers> :D
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> oh god
[22:40] <supers> i got a lot of stuff from incognito, curu and mig
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> okay so I'm talking to risk now btw
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> okay good
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> keep it until tonight
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to be identifying
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> the scum today
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> and I believe I might be a prime target for tomorrow night
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> but DO NOT
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> establish this in the thread
[22:41] <supers> what
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> I don't want
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> well okay I don't want to be shot
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> but at the same time
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> I don't want mafia to use me as WIFOM
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> risk just claimed drunk demo to me
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> and his PMing with me
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> seems townie
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> so I'll be pushing different lynches all today
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> to see what reactions I get
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> once I get a scummy reaction I will basically push it hard. I have two of you guys I can trust with my logs
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> so I'll send it all to you and the other one I trust
[22:43] <wherebugsgo> if during night phase I think I'll be dying I'll post it all in thread
[23:04] <wherebugsgo> have yo useen sinani recently
[23:07] <supers> no
[23:07] <wherebugsgo> mmm
[23:07] <supers> i am spending my time in the university learning :D
[23:07] <supers> i am here now
[23:07] <supers> ^_^
[23:07] <wherebugsgo> okay. I'm going to try to get the reads out of risk. ATM he's walking the fine line between being absolute dumb town and dumb scum
[23:07] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[23:08] <wherebugsgo> so this leaves sinani forumite sevryn
[23:08] <supers> we kill sevryn today
[23:08] <supers> i think he's a save bet
[23:08] <supers> if forumite survives the night
[23:08] <wherebugsgo> why not Forumite or sinani?
[23:08] <supers> he should be next
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> k I agree on that
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to be writing a case on Forumite
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> I won't post it today
[23:09] <supers> because the log
[23:09] <supers> i posted
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> and if I die I need someone else to post it
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> yeah I saw that
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> but
[23:09] <supers> says that forumite claimed something to mig
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> I'll try to see
[23:09] <supers> if he's not scum
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> if he slipped day 1
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> or day 2
[23:09] <supers> they shoot him
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> right
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> if he slipped day 1
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> ah fuck
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> you shouldn't have posted that log
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> they don't have any reason to shoot him still
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> if he's town
[23:10] <supers> they have
[23:10] <supers> don
[23:10] <supers> 't worry
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> lol wat
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> I mean why wouldn't they just shoot you and me
[23:10] <supers> he claimed a powerrole to mig
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> yeah, I know that
[23:10] <supers> they don't shoot you
[23:10] <supers> for sure
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> why is that?
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> why would I not be a target
[23:15] <supers> ahm
[23:15] <supers> because you post very much
[23:15] <wherebugsgo> lol
[23:15] <supers> but unfortunately noone listens
[23:15] <wherebugsgo> lool so true
[23:15] <supers> you posted that curuthing
[23:15] <supers> and switched to incognito
[23:15] <supers> you defended palmar
[23:15] <wherebugsgo> ahahaha
[23:15] <wherebugsgo> okay so do you think
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> scum can paint me
[23:16] <supers> you won't get shot by scum :D
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> as scummy?
[23:16] <supers> ofc they can
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> aight
[23:16] <supers> and they will try to
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> so do you think risk is more likely to be scum
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> and forumite as well
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> because they have been doing that since night 1?
[23:16] <supers> no
[23:16] <supers> the scumteam in my eyes contains
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> okay. let's discuss reasons
[23:17] <supers> xtfftc, sevryn and forumite
[23:17] <wherebugsgo> okay so we disagree on xt then
[23:17] <wherebugsgo> you agree we should give xt some time?
[23:17] <supers> i do
[23:17] <wherebugsgo> alright. atm he's leaning town in the way he's arguing with me
[23:17] <wherebugsgo> but his logic isn't making sense
[23:18] <wherebugsgo> he isn't a fabulous townie by any means so it's not like...telegraphing anything at all
[23:18] <wherebugsgo> risk keeps typing and typing and typing and deleting, then sends me this one line thing
[23:18] <wherebugsgo> that says nothing
[23:18] <wherebugsgo> but from earlier in the convo he sounded super noob so I can't even tell what he is
[23:19] <supers> he's no bad player
[23:19] <wherebugsgo> he's good?
[23:20] <wherebugsgo> [1:27:42 PM] VictorJarl Engwall [nuke]: I'll do it noq [1:29:01 PM] VictorJarl Engwall [nuke]: btw, do you get what this means? "Scamp the Mute Awkward Cow died to Liberty Launcher." [1:29:39 PM] Maajid Mohammed Nazrulla: no, I think it's just a kill flavor [1:29:53 PM] Maajid Mohammed Nazrulla: mafia killed Scamp last night and I don't think any of the rest of the flavor has any relevance to the game [1:31:22 PM] VictorJarl Engwall
[23:20] <wherebugsgo> oh you talking xt or nuke?
[23:20] <supers> ???
[23:20] <wherebugsgo> when you said "he's no bad player"
[23:20] <wherebugsgo> are you talking about xt or nuke?
[23:21] <supers> xt
[23:21] <wherebugsgo> k
[23:21] <wherebugsgo> is risk new?
[23:21] <wherebugsgo> (also xt in XLIV protted every mafia in a row in endgame...)
[23:21] <supers> yea
[23:21] <supers> that idiot
[23:22] <supers> i tunneled him the whole game long
[23:22] <supers> and he turned out to be medic
[23:22] <supers> lol
[23:22] <supers> he was so scummy
[23:22] <supers> really
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> lol
[23:22] <supers> got to sleep
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> alright
[23:22] <supers> i am so tired
[23:22] <supers> :D
[23:22] <supers> really
[23:22] <supers> :D
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> I'll be on when you wake I think
[23:22] <supers> but xt is scum
[23:22] <supers> :D
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> if yo uhave time to talk then
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> lol we'll see
[23:23] <supers> 7 hours
[23:23] <wherebugsgo> remember he was scummy in XLIV too hahaha
[23:23] <supers> from now
[23:23] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good
[23:23] <wherebugsgo> 9:30 pm for me lol
[23:23] <supers> cu
[23:23] <wherebugsgo> auf wiedersehen
[23:23] <supers> ah
[23:23] <supers> dankeschön
[23:23] <supers> :-D
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[22:25] <supers> erandorr
[22:25] <supers> can we talk?
[22:25] <supers> ah
[22:25] <supers> or still muted
[22:25] <supers> probably
[22:25] <supers> ...
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[22:25] <supers> oh hi
[22:25] <supers> nice
[22:25] <xtfftc> scum
[22:26] <supers> ;-)
[22:26] <wherebugsgo> super PM me in here
[22:26] <wherebugsgo> I'm handling 4 convos at once lol
[22:27] <supers> we talk later kek? i need to talk to xtfftc
[22:28] <xtfftc> yep, you'd better talk to me first because I'm going to bed soon
[22:28] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[22:28] <supers> good
[22:28] <supers> you want a private conversation
[22:28] <supers> ?
[22:28] <supers> :D
[22:28] <xtfftc> I've got nothing to hide
[22:29] <supers> ahahaha
[22:29] <xtfftc> and considering that I'm just joining the game
[22:29] <supers> ofc not
[22:29] <supers> :D
[22:29] <xtfftc> it might be better to do it here
[22:29] <supers> okay i dont know how many info you got from GM
[22:29] <supers> about his thoughts etc
[22:30] <xtfftc> absolutely nothing, just the logs/PMs
[22:30] <supers> every log?
[22:30] <supers> i got his logs with wbg, too
[22:31] <supers> i wanna know why he got the impression that curu is town
[22:31] <supers> äääh scum
[22:31] <xtfftc> not absolutely everything, just the ones he thought were good enough
[22:31] <supers> okay
[22:31] <wherebugsgo> rofl our logs
[22:31] <wherebugsgo> are huge
[22:31] <xtfftc> yes they were
[22:31] <supers> who do you think came up with the curuthing first?
[22:31] <xtfftc> GM posted his case on curu in the thread
[22:32] <supers> nonono
[22:32] <xtfftc> I don't have any info on who came up with it first apart from what I read in the thread
[22:32] <supers> they talked about it earier
[22:32] <supers> and posted it in the thread later
[22:32] <supers> incognito gave me this post before they posted it i think
[22:33] <supers> okay so you don't know... :-/
[22:33] <wherebugsgo> xt the logs
[22:33] <wherebugsgo> can answer that
[22:33] <xtfftc> I was hoping to avoid reading them....
[22:33] <xtfftc> brb five minutes, I guess
[22:33] <supers> lol it was a lot of work for me to read through wbgs shit :D
[22:33] <supers> :D:D:D
[22:33] <supers> hey
[22:33] <supers> xtfftc
[22:34] <supers> you can just give that convos to me
[22:34] <supers> :D
[22:34] <supers> i'll read them for you
[22:34] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf
[22:34] <xtfftc> didn't you just say that incognito gave them to you anyway? ^^
[22:34] <supers> no
[22:34] <supers> incognito gave me the post
[22:34] <supers> not the genesis of it
[22:35] <supers> wbg gave me the logs
[22:35] <supers> where he was with them
[22:35] <wherebugsgo> dude the genesis is in the logs
[22:35] <wherebugsgo> lol
[22:35] <xtfftc> which post did incognite give you exactly?
[22:36] <supers> w8 a sec
[22:37] <supers> Think of it this way. Two mafia try to use PM slips to "catch" each other in the thread. This is illegal, so you tell them to stop. one of the mafia keeps pushing it, and says that its not fair to let him live because otherwise he's confirmed town. If you are the host, you are in a tough situation. If you modkill both of them for breaking the rules, then you've pretty much ruined your game, as half the mafia is dead. If you don't modkill anyone, you can't say anythi
[22:37] <supers> Original Message From Incognito: Whoops I thought I sent you something but apparently I didn't. Basically Curu and Forumite are mafia, I'm pretty sure. WBG and NotChezinu are town, I'm in contact with them. An analysis will go up shortly but I need you to shoot Curu tonight. Mig is being manipulated by Curu and refuses to believe that Curu is mafia. Mig doesn't believe that Forumite is mafia, and I think it will be disasterous if this manipulation continues. Pleas
[22:37] <supers> Original Message From Incognito: Hmm all yesterday I was leaning town. He is just way overzealous. I'll keep an eye on him but for right now I'm looking at some of the more lurkerish people. Curu has mysteriously disappeared over the last day, quite a sharp contrast from "parlmar 100% red". What do you think of him?
[22:37] <wherebugsgo> unfortunately all of that shit is wrong now LOL
[22:37] <wherebugsgo> well not all of it persay
[22:38] <supers> yes it is
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> but the Curu/Forumite link
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> is destroyed
[22:38] <supers> fuck
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> which is why we can't really be sure on Forumite
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> well
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> I suppose we can
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> but w/e that's for another time lol
[22:39] <supers> you read the log between me and mig
[22:39] <supers> i posted in the thrad?
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[22:41] <xtfftc> I was kind of following the thread before joining the game
[22:41] <xtfftc> so I've read pretty much everythjing
[22:41] <xtfftc> but at the moment I'm going through it because it's a mess
[22:41] <supers> the thread is irrelevant
[22:41] <supers> :D
[22:41] <supers> we discussed everything in here
[22:41] <xtfftc> yes but I've got to start from somewhere
[22:42] <supers> mhm
[22:42] <supers> i think we had three circles.
[22:42] <supers> of PMs
[22:43] <wherebugsgo> yo xt
[22:43] <wherebugsgo> why should we think you're town?
[22:44] <xtfftc> you have no reason to
[22:44] <xtfftc> I've just joined the game and haven't contributed anything
[22:44] <xtfftc> so I'm basically a lurker
[22:44] <wherebugsgo> right
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> you have around 24 hours though
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> I'm pretty sure lynching you
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> would be extremely stupid today
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> but if you're not 3/4 town to me by the end of today
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> I will push your lynch tomorrow
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> well assuming I'm alive
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> lol
[22:46] <xtfftc> who would you go for if I convince you that I'm town?
[22:47] <wherebugsgo> wtf
[22:47] <wherebugsgo> that's an incredibly scummy question
[22:47] <wherebugsgo> I'll go for whoever I think is most likely to be scum
[22:48] <xtfftc> no, it's not scummy
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> well, yeah it is...lol. think about the scum side to it
[22:48] <xtfftc> you['re basically saying that you'll go for the new player even if it's a 50:50 chance he's mafia
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> no
[22:48] <xtfftc> which is saying that you have no mafia reads at all
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> I just told you I'm not going to lynch you today
[22:48] <xtfftc> wherebugsgo> but if you're not 3/4 town to me by the end of today
[22:48] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> I will push your lynch tomorrow
[22:48] <supers> wbg calm down. :D
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> yes
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> I just said
[22:48] <supers> we need to start from the beginning
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> I'm not going to push your lynch today
[22:48] <supers> its 12:3
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> it's 9:3 dude
[22:49] <supers> we did not lose any blues except one medic
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> not 12:3 lol
[22:49] <supers> OH WHAT
[22:49] <supers> 9:§
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> yeah.
[22:49] <supers> fuck
[22:49] <xtfftc> it's 9:3
[22:49] <xtfftc> anyway
[22:49] <supers> D:
[22:49] <supers> lol okay
[22:49] <supers> turbolynch xtfftc
[22:49] <supers> :D
[22:49] <xtfftc> doesn't matter if it's today or tomorrow
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> xt it's a scummy question because if you're scum
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> and I tell you who I would push instead of you
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> you can easily just bandwagon that person
[22:50] <xtfftc> ...and bandwagonning helps me by?
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> I'd rather have your opinions first
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> you can always fake reasons, no?
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> heck
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> that's why people thought NC was scummy
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> he pushed jcarl and forumite and curu in our log
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> and if any of them are town and NC is scum
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> he's basically just probing for whoever me and Incog thought was most likely to be scum
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> then he fabricates a case around that person to get a mislynch
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> it's really good scum play
[22:51] <xtfftc> sure but either way I would have to post thoughts on someone
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> right.
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> I think it's better
[22:51] <xtfftc> if I'm faking them, it'd be easier to challenge me on that
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> if you post your thoughts
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> without me giving you thoughts first
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> so I know they're your OWN thoughts
[22:52] <wherebugsgo> right so imagine it from my PoV right
[22:52] <xtfftc> and I think it'd be nice if you tell me why someone should be at least 75% townie in your eyes to lynch him
[22:52] <xtfftc> when the current ratio is 3:1
[22:52] <wherebugsgo> because you just replaced someone
[22:52] <wherebugsgo> who literally the entire town thought yesterday
[22:52] <wherebugsgo> was #1 scum
[22:53] <xtfftc> if you're town, you'd have reasonable expectations
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> how is that not a reasonable expectation?
[22:53] <xtfftc> you wouldn't expect me to join in and get all mafia
[22:53] <xtfftc> you'd expect me to contribute
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> you have more than 24 hours to establish yourself as town
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> I didn't ask that
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> did I?
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> I asked you to contribute your reads
[22:53] <xtfftc> however, when I see you I see someone who has been in the game from the very start
[22:54] <xtfftc> and wants to use to replacement as an excuse to lurk
[22:54] <xtfftc> the*
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> wtf?
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> what are you even trying to say?
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> I'm not using any excuses
[22:54] <xtfftc> my thoughts precisely
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> ???
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> you're not making any sense dude
[22:54] <xtfftc> (that was for the wtf? ^^)
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> I can't give you reads
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> you just replaced into the game
[22:54] <xtfftc> what it is that you didn't understand?
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> the burden is on you
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> to establish yourself
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> as a townie
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> not on me
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> me giving you my reads doesn't establish your towniness
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> if I think you could be either alignment there's no reason for me to give you my reads at all
[22:58] <xtfftc> okay, so how is this different from what I wrote?
[22:58] <xtfftc> you don't want to post your reads because I just entered the game
[22:58] <wherebugsgo> no, I don't want to give YOU my reads
[22:58] <wherebugsgo> I've given my reads to players I think are town
[22:58] <wherebugsgo> I haven't posted them in the thread because the thread is public and mafia can see it
[22:59] <xtfftc> put yourself in my shoes, would you?
[22:59] <wherebugsgo> would I get reads on players and give them to probable townies?
[22:59] <wherebugsgo> yes
[23:00] <wherebugsgo> would I post them in the thread or in this IRC channel?
[23:00] <wherebugsgo> no
[23:00] <wherebugsgo> well, not until I actually wanted to trap the other scum, that is
[23:00] <wherebugsgo> and that's only useful when you have a case you're sure on.
[23:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway, I'm giving you plenty of time
[23:01] <wherebugsgo> you have all of today and most of the night phase to form your own reads
[23:02] <wherebugsgo> it's not like you even have to find mafia
[23:02] <wherebugsgo> you just have to show to me that you're town and willing to contribute
[23:02] <wherebugsgo> ex. don't do what like half the players in the game have done
[23:07] <xtfftc> dude, I know I have to contribute
[23:07] <xtfftc> but first I have to figure some things out for myself
[23:08] <xtfftc> and so I'm starting with considering everyone as being suspicious
[23:08] <xtfftc> for me, you are not a confirmed townie
[23:09] <xtfftc> and what you said for me applies for you as well
[23:09] <xtfftc> until I consider you to be a probable townie, I'll be reluctant to give you my reads
[23:09] <xtfftc> so put yourself in my shoes, would you?
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> I already answered that question
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> we are not in equal positions
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> you have all those logs
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> and the entire thread to read
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> I don't
[23:12] <wherebugsgo> I did not replace someone who was thought by 90% of the town to be scum
[23:12] <wherebugsgo> and conversely I am not a player who was scummy to the town leaders
[23:12] <wherebugsgo> I have no obligation to give you my reads, you just have to take my word that other townies have them
[23:12] <wherebugsgo> I'm not asking for them now, I'm just saying you need to do it before lynch today
[23:13] <wherebugsgo> which is in 25 hours
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and a lot more stuff
[10:39] <Mig__> yo
[10:39] <supers> well
[10:39] <supers> you got a minute?
[10:39] <Mig__> yep
[10:40] <supers> i want to talk about the icognito case
[10:40] <Mig__> great
[10:40] <Mig__> basically today I only want to lynch incog or NC
[10:40] <Mig__> they are way way too good for this
[10:40] <supers> mhm
[10:41] <Mig__> notice how in their case they didnt even mention that palmar was the pyro?
[10:41] <Mig__> they are leaving out facts to try and make their case work against curu
[10:41] <Mig__> I mean in what universe does mafia kill their own kp?
[10:41] <Mig__> I know both of them know this
[10:41] <Mig__> the thing about incog is
[10:42] <Mig__> so him/nc/wbg all wrote the case right thats why they post their stupid 3 headed dragon picture
[10:42] <Mig__> buttt NC and wbg are the only 2 who post the cases
[10:42] <Mig__> incog just posts I dont think anything else must be said
[10:42] <Mig__> so if they got curu lynched and he flips town who takes the heat?
[10:42] <Mig__> those 2 not incog
[10:42] <Mig__> and I have incog on aim he has been online all night
[10:42] <Mig__> yet hasnt commented a single time once I came in and crushed their stupid case?
[10:43] <Mig__> I know he is reading the thread
[10:43] <supers> he's the one who had this idea
[10:43] <Mig__> You mentioned how prplz death makes you think incog might be town right
[10:43] <supers> of curu being scum
[10:44] <supers> yes
[10:44] <supers> because he wanted me to shoot prplhz
[10:44] <Mig__> but did you notice NC used it as defense for incog isnt scum when he responded to me?
[10:44] <Mig__> I believe they planned out prplzs death either themselves for a vig
[10:44] <Mig__> to use as a defense
[10:44] <Mig__> which is why he posted the long analysis against him right before day
[10:44] <supers> maybe
[10:44] <supers> lol
[10:45] <Mig__> oh it was his idea that curu was scum?
[10:45] <supers> i think so
[10:45] <Mig__> I didnt even know that I just know the 3 of them were in on it
[10:45] <Mig__> so he is the one who started everything lol
[10:45] <Mig__> and he doesnt even mention that palmar was the pyro
[10:45] <Mig__> brilliant
[10:45] <supers> "Kenpachi is probably town. You need to shoot Curu."
[10:45] <Mig__> he told you that?
[10:45] <supers> 10/2/11 08:40
[10:45] <supers> yes
[10:45] <Mig__> wowwww
[10:46] <supers> Hmm all yesterday I was leaning town. He is just way overzealous. I'll keep an eye on him but for right now I'm looking at some of the more lurkerish people. Curu has mysteriously disappeared over the last day, quite a sharp contrast from "parlmar 100% red". What do you think of him?
[10:46] <supers> and
[10:46] <supers> incognito
[10:46] <supers> already posted something about curu way before this 3headed dragon thing
[10:47] <Mig__> so almost certainly he is one that orchestrated all of this
[10:47] <Mig__> that is just lol
[10:47] <supers> probably yes
[10:48] <Mig__> there is some chance wbg/nc could be town and incog just manipulated them he is very good
[10:48] <supers> its that post October 02 2011 04:16
[10:49] <Mig__> so I wouldnt be surprised if he is misleading them
[10:49] <supers> i think that wbg is easy to manipulate
[10:49] <Mig__> for sure he is
[10:49] <Mig__> I def agree with that lol
[10:49] <supers> ^_^
[10:50] <supers> he wanted to talk to me
[10:50] <supers> i'll act as if i still think that icognito is town
[10:50] <Mig__> I talked to wbg a lot today he is really really stubborn
[10:50] <supers> and try to get as much informations out of him as possible
[10:50] <Mig__> but I honestly think he is just dumb town
[10:50] <supers> yes
[10:51] <Mig__> k that sounds like a good idea
[10:51] <supers> okay so
[10:51] <Mig__> lynch is in 13 hours so not a ton of time but anything you can get is helpful
[10:51] <supers> incognito told me to shoot prplhz
[10:51] <supers> after that he posted that analysis
[10:51] <Mig__> you said no to shooting prpl when he asked you right?
[10:51] <supers> yes
[10:52] <supers> i said i wont shoot him
[10:52] <Mig__> yea then shocker he still dies that night
[10:52] <supers> yep
[10:52] <Mig__> seems bit strange to be a coincidence
[10:52] <supers> i think the original plan could have been like this:
[10:52] <supers> he wanted me to shoot him
[10:53] <supers> and at the same time shoot him himseld
[10:53] <supers> f
[10:53] <supers> lol hard to explain :D
[10:53] <Mig__> yea possible or if you agreed to shoot him he can kill another person
[10:53] <supers> because the scumshot
[10:53] <supers> hits prplhz first
[10:53] <supers> my shot would not count
[10:54] <Mig__> well he maybe trying to manipulate you to waste your shot because you would get it back if that were the case
[10:54] <Mig__> but the thing is thats why he wrote the big analysis
[10:54] <Mig__> so that he was covered
[10:54] <Mig__> if you shot him he is just like oh my bad but look at my analysis I thought he was mafia
[10:54] <supers> hmm
[10:54] <supers> yea but this would have been a bad plan
[10:55] <Mig__> not if he underestimates you and thinks he can manipulate you
[10:55] <Mig__> then he will try and use your powers to kill a townie if possible
[10:55] <Mig__> basically he has wanted you to target 2 townies now
[10:55] <Mig__> I mean shooting curu 1 day after he lynched the pyro? That is just insane
[10:56] <supers> ofc it is.
[10:56] <supers> curu is town
[10:56] <Mig__> yea
[10:56] <supers> this plan i way to complicated
[10:56] <supers> i also talked to curu
[10:56] <supers> a lot
[10:57] <supers> we talked about your roleblock
[10:57] <supers> etc.
[10:57] <supers> i didnt save that log
[10:57] <Mig__> yea
[10:57] <supers> but seriously if he was scum, why would he roleblock you
[10:57] <supers> if curu was scum
[10:57] <supers> these nightkills
[10:57] <Mig__> yea lol there is 0 reason curu would ever roleblock me
[10:58] <supers> would not make sense at all
[10:58] <Mig__> I claimed vanilla to him it makes no sense
[10:58] <Mig__> yep
[10:58] <Mig__> thats a big thing that makes me suspicious of NC also
[10:58] <supers> not only this roleblock
[10:58] <Mig__> because NC just dismissed that point as if it were nothing
[10:58] <Mig__> when it really is important
[10:58] <supers> mhm
[10:59] <supers> do you know who nc really is?
[11:00] <Mig__> 95% sure he is gmarshal
[11:00] <supers> ok
[11:00] <Mig__> is was almost positive he was that before then tnkted confirmed it
[11:00] <supers> what do you think of forumite
[11:00] <supers> i wonder why he survived the night
[11:00] <Mig__> well I think he is probably town he claimed a role to me
[11:00] <Mig__> yea I wonder that as well
[11:01] <Mig__> but he claimed a role that made sense to me
[11:01] <supers> i mean, jackal was muted
[11:01] <supers> but seriously
[11:01] <Mig__> if we survives another 2 days I would be very very suspicious of him
[11:01] <Mig__> if he*
[11:01] <supers> he was no sniper
[11:01] <Mig__> yea
[11:01] <supers> that was obvious
[11:01] <Mig__> but right now I think he is town because he also fake shotted same time as jackal to try and protect him
[11:01] <Mig__> so mafia wouldnt know who to shoot if jackal was real sniper
[11:02] <supers> or
[11:02] <supers> hes scum
[11:02] <Mig__> which is pretty pro town
[11:02] <supers> fakeshottet
[11:02] <Mig__> why would scum do that tho?
[11:02] <Mig__> because scum would think jackal was real sniper right
[11:02] <supers> so noone else tries to protect jackal
[11:02] <Mig__> so they would just laugh and let him kill wbg
[11:02] <Mig__> hm I really think they would just sit back and let it happen
[11:03] <supers> hmm okay
[11:03] <Mig__> but I think he is someone we can worry about a little later because if mafia doesnt shoot or rb him there is something fishy going on
[11:03] <Mig__> but we can let mafia deal with him if he is actually town
[11:03] <supers> yes
[11:03] <supers> thats the reason why i didn't accuse him in the thread
[11:04] <supers> because an accusation delivers a reason not to shoot him
[11:04] <Mig__> yep for sure
[11:05] <supers> hmm okay incognito
[11:05] <supers> i am not sure whether he or NC is the right person
[11:05] <supers> his plan would be really complex
[11:06] <Mig__> I like both as mafia but the extra info that incognito started the whole thing
[11:06] <Mig__> makes me more sure of him
[11:06] <Mig__> because incognito is reallllllly good one of the best players on TL if he is mafia he could easily manipulate others
[11:06] <supers> okay.
[11:07] <supers> i wonder if he really buys my vig claim
[11:07] <supers> lol
[11:07] <Mig__> lol he does
[11:07] <Mig__> he told me he has a blue vig who supports him
[11:07] <supers> hahaha
[11:07] <Mig__> didnt say who but pretty funny that I knew who he was talking about
[11:07] <supers> indeed
[11:08] <supers> okay
[11:08] <supers> i tell him that i am still not convinced
[11:08] <supers> that either he or curu are scum
[11:09] <supers> i ask him out about wbg and NC
[11:09] <supers> i tell him that i think that forumite is town
[11:09] <supers> and who else do we have?
[11:09] <Mig__> k that all sounds good
[11:09] <supers> kenpachi
[11:09] <Mig__> right now
[11:09] <Mig__> ken/nisani are 100% on our side
[11:10] <supers> nisani yes
[11:10] <supers> okay
[11:10] <Mig__> erandorr I am almost positive will vote for us
[11:10] <supers> yes he's german
[11:10] <Mig__> rofl :p
[11:10] <supers> i wrote him a german PM
[11:10] <supers> :D
[11:10] <Mig__> lolol
[11:10] <supers> i got this guy
[11:10] <supers> lol it's a lot easier to manipulate people in german language
[11:11] <supers> it's nearly impossible in english
[11:11] <supers> I can only act naive
[11:11] <supers> and incognito bought it lol
[11:12] <Mig__> lololol
[11:13] <Mig__> ok gonna go get some food and sleep be back after that
[11:14] <Mig__> cya
[11:14] <supers> yep
[11:14] <supers> cu
[20:31] <Mig__> super hello friend!
[20:32] <supersoft> hehe
[20:32] <Mig__> so incog sent this to you?
[20:32] <supersoft> well, i got WBGs logs
[20:32] <Mig__> when did he send it?
[20:32] <supersoft> everything
[20:32] <Mig__> oh wbg gave it?
[20:32] <supersoft> 5 minutes
[20:32] <Mig__> k
[20:32] <supersoft> and i am talking to sevryn right now
[20:32] <supersoft> this guy is so scummy
[20:33] <Mig__> k I am still reading the logs
[20:34] <supersoft> i got some more
[20:34] <supersoft> if you finished that
[20:34] <Mig__> between who?
[20:34] <supersoft> me and sevryn
[20:34] <supersoft> and wbg and incognito
[20:34] <Mig__> k great I will read those also
[20:34] <supersoft> and me and wbg
[20:34] <supersoft> yep
[20:35] <Mig__> ah I notice in this log again gm points out why would incog shoot prpl
[20:36] <Mig__> when wbg shows any doubts in incog
[20:36] <Mig__> gm always comes to his defense lol
[20:45] <Mig__> ok read it all
[20:46] <supersoft> so
[20:47] <supersoft> what do you think about NC
[20:47] <Mig__> you requested chat logs of just nc and incog right?
[20:47] <Mig__> you and wbg both requested those
[20:47] <Mig__> but havent gotten any
[20:47] <Mig__> is that right?
[20:48] <Mig__> because so far nobody has seen those 2 actually talk to each other alone
[20:48] <supersoft> yes
[20:48] <supersoft> thats correct
[20:48] <supersoft> but both of them weren't online since i asked them to post that
[20:49] <Mig__> if incog flips scum and NC cant produce instantly some long long chat logs of them talking
[20:49] <Mig__> I think they are virtually guaranteed scum
[20:49] <Mig__> yea I find that a bit strange
[20:49] <Mig__> that they havent been aruond
[20:49] <Mig__> they go through that huge trouble to write the giant case on curu right
[20:49] <supersoft> mhm
[20:49] <Mig__> now its 3 hours before lynch and they are still missing?
[20:49] <supersoft> and dont support it afterwards
[20:49] <Mig__> like wtf
[20:49] <Mig__> yep
[20:50] <supersoft> if we reduce their KP to 1 today
[20:50] <supersoft> it's over
[20:50] <Mig__> I agree
[20:50] <supersoft> there is no way they can do it with only one kp
[20:50] <Mig__> I feel like they may have gone all out here to try and get curu lynched
[20:50] <Mig__> and now they are kinda giving up
[20:50] <supersoft> yes
[20:50] <Mig__> after it failing
[20:50] <supersoft> if they lynch curu and kill you at night
[20:50] <supersoft> there would have been a chance
[20:51] <Mig__> yep because the 2 most vocal townies gone
[20:51] <Mig__> I bet they think they could just manipulate eveyrone then
[20:51] <Mig__> they already had wbg in their pocket lol
[20:51] <supersoft> yes
[20:51] <supersoft> :D
[20:51] <supersoft> and they got me
[20:51] <Mig__> and you they think
[20:51] <supersoft> the nightvig
[20:51] <supersoft> lol
[20:51] <Mig__> :ppp
[20:51] <supersoft> aka drunk demoman :D
[20:51] <Mig__> if incog flips scum
[20:51] <Mig__> it is over
[20:51] <Mig__> for sure
[20:52] <Mig__> even if he doesnt I think NC then is almost guaranteed scum
[20:52] <supersoft> if not we're in some trouble
[20:52] <supersoft> yes NC and sevryn/forumite
[20:52] <Mig__> well like me/you/wbg/curu I am very confident in really
[20:52] <Mig__> so we have a good core group
[20:52] <Mig__> 1 mislynch wont ruin everything
[20:52] <supersoft> no
[20:53] <Mig__> but really I think incog is scum lol
[20:53] <supersoft> one mislynch is okay
[20:53] <Mig__> so hopefully we dont ahve to worry about this at all
[20:53] <supersoft> yea
[20:53] <supersoft> but like you said
[20:53] <supersoft> it was probably an all-in attempt
[20:53] <Mig__> yea right now that is what I believe
[20:54] <supersoft> 2 hours left
[20:54] <Mig__> 3
[20:54] <supersoft> i'll copy that wbg/incognitologs
[20:54] <supersoft> ah yes
[20:54] <supersoft> 3
[20:54] <supersoft> and eat something etc.
[20:54] <Mig__> ah yea I would love to see wbg incog
[20:55] <Mig__> let me know once those are up
[20:55] <supersoft> 5min
[21:02] <supersoft> okay i copied everything that wasn't too long into the QT
[21:02] <supersoft> and one additional irclog per PM
[21:02] <Mig__> k awesome I am reading it now
[21:02] <supersoft> hf :D
[21:14] <Mig__> super
[21:15] <Mig__> this is AMAZING
[21:15] <Mig__> they thought they were going to be able to bully the thread
[21:15] <Mig__> by threatening vig shots
[21:15] <Mig__> because of you! hahaha
[21:17] <supersoft> :D
[21:17] <supersoft> i juste red it too
[21:17] <supersoft> i can't believe he bought this
[21:18] <supersoft> lol everyone is curious who that mysterious vig is
[21:18] <supersoft> wbg asked me, too
[21:18] <Mig__> rofl
[21:19] <supersoft> that game :D
[20:33] <Curu> about jcarl?
[20:33] <Curu> before posting their case on me
[20:33] <supersoft> no
[20:33] <supersoft> i never talked to NC
[20:33] <supersoft> and incog spammed my inbox a lot
[20:33] <supersoft> i got to look that up
[20:34] <Curu> he never asked you to shoot jcarl
[20:34] <Curu> right
[20:34] <supersoft> no
[20:34] <Curu> right ok
[20:34] <supersoft> btw
[20:34] <supersoft> i talked to wbg and sevryn
[20:34] <Curu> I am like 70% sure NotChez and Incog are Mafia together then
[20:35] <supersoft> wbg gave me all his logs
[20:35] <supersoft> yes
[20:35] <Curu> WBG is most likely Town
[20:35] <supersoft> correct
[20:35] <supersoft> he gave me everything
[20:35] <supersoft> he talked to incognito
[20:35] <supersoft> and NC
[20:35] <Curu> yes
[20:35] <supersoft> i posted some of it in our QT
[20:35] <supersoft> mig is reading this right now :D
[20:36] <Curu> Mig know eveyrthing I know anyways
[20:36] <Curu> lol
[20:36] <Curu> I have talked to him nonstop since the game started
[20:36] <supersoft> i know
[20:36] <supersoft> ^_^
[20:37] <Curu> I am pretty sure you, Mig, Erandorr, WBG, Nisani, Kenpachi, jcarl are all town
[20:37] <supersoft> yes
[20:37] <Curu> if Incog flips scum this game is pretty much over
[20:37] <supersoft> yes+
[20:38] <Curu> but yeah they both tried hard to get jcarl as a lynch
[20:38] <supersoft> we kill sevryn/NC and Foumite
[20:38] <supersoft> and GG
[20:38] <Curu> they questioned a lot of people about jcarl
[20:38] <Curu> oh I think Forumite is Town too
[20:38] <Curu> but htey questioned a lot of people about jcarl
[20:38] <Curu> but somehow didnt want you to shoot him
[20:38] <Curu> they were going to try him as a mislynch if I told them I would rather lynch jcar
[20:38] <Curu> than incog
[20:41] <Curu> the fact that they never asked you to shoot jcarl though
[20:41] <Curu> even though they asked you to shoot everyone else
[20:41] <Curu> and incog has been on jcarl since day 1
[20:41] <Curu> I'm pretty convinced they are both Mafia
[20:41] <Curu> who planned to use jcarl as the mislynch
[20:41] <supersoft> i think so too
[20:41] <supersoft> however trying to lynch you is pretty risky
[20:41] <supersoft> if they both are scum
[20:42] <supersoft> i asked incognito to give me the logs between him an NC
[20:42] <supersoft> if they have no logs, they are pretty much confirmed
[20:42] <Curu> see what I suspected was
[20:42] <supersoft> also sevryn
[20:42] <supersoft> he has no logs at all
[20:42] <Curu> then they are guaranteed to be able to kill Mig
[20:42] <Curu> then with me and Mig gone try to lead the Town themselves
[20:43] <Curu> a lot of conjecture but it could be possible
[20:43] <supersoft> if they shoot both of you,
[20:43] <supersoft> what would be the best move they could do right now
[20:43] <supersoft> ah wait
[20:43] <supersoft> do they have enough KP
[20:43] <Curu> they cant though
[20:43] <Curu> if incog is scum
[20:43] <supersoft> if we lynch incognito?
[20:43] <Curu> they have 1 kp
[20:43] <supersoft> hahaha
[20:43] <Curu> exactly
[20:43] <supersoft> yeah incognito has to die
[20:44] <supersoft> but i think i could lead town to victory from now on. even if you die.
[20:44] <supersoft> i think erandorr and wbg are on my side
[20:45] <supersoft> and i have these huge logs :D
[20:45] <Curu> yep
[20:45] <Curu> the problem isnt how good your reads are though
[20:45] <Curu> the problem is if they kill the more vocal players then they use their reputation
[20:45] <Curu> since you haven't been posting much
[20:45] <supersoft> mhm
[20:45] <Curu> even if you try to lead lynches against them they might be able to convince the derptown members
[20:46] <supersoft> but you know
[20:46] <supersoft> if incog dies
[20:46] <supersoft> there are only 2 scumteammembers left
[20:46] <Curu> yep
[20:47] <supersoft> we can do this. I think they might also kill me
[20:47] <supersoft> incog believes my claim
[20:47] <supersoft> he tells everyone he has a nightvig
[20:47] <Curu> lol
[20:47] <Curu> if Incog dies TOwn's won
[20:47] <Curu> 99.999999%
[20:47] <supersoft> he will die 100%
[20:47] <Curu> if Incog is scum
[20:48] <supersoft> if he's scum
[20:48] <supersoft> if not he played just aweful
[20:48] <supersoft> really
[20:49] <Curu> yeah really really bad
[20:49] <Curu> and he says he's been busy in PM land
[20:49] <Curu> for so long
[20:49] <Curu> lol
[20:49] <Curu> all that time and what he comes up with is that bullshit case on me?
[20:52] <supersoft> yep
[20:53] <supersoft> it was an all-in attempt
[20:54] <supersoft> i am going to copy the wbg/incognitologs
[20:54] <supersoft> and eat something etc.
[20:55] <Curu> kk
[21:02] <supersoft> update in the QT
[21:02] <supersoft> and PM
[21:02] <supersoft> etc.
[21:02] <supersoft> thats a lot of stuff
[22:42] <xtfftc> I am left with the impression that WBG started the Curu thing
[22:42] <xtfftc> but a lot of people seem to consider Curu as confirmed town
[22:42] <supers> he is dead now
[22:43] <supers> and confirmed
[22:43] <xtfftc> not curu
[22:43] <xtfftc> wbg*
[22:43] <supers> ah yes
[22:43] <supers> i don't
[22:43] <supers> i just wait for a slip
[22:43] <supers> i don't trust anyone
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> it's basically what I've done in PMs
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> I PMed Mig, tnkted, and a few others
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> giving them my logs and reads
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> when I believed I was about to get shot
[22:43] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> because Jackal and Forumite both ##aimed me in the thread
[22:44] <supers> hm yes
[22:44] <supers> mig was confident, that wbg was town
[22:44] <supers> incognito also
[22:44] <supers> and curu also
[22:44] <xtfftc> that's the thing
[22:44] <xtfftc> I'd say that he is mafia
[22:45] <xtfftc> but a lot of vets think that he is a townie
[22:45] <supers> yes
[22:45] <supers> we have to wait for him
[22:45] <supers> today i'd suggest sevryn
[22:46] <xtfftc> sevryn looks like his typical dumb townie to me
[22:46] <xtfftc> do you have any logs with him to share?
[22:47] <supers> posted them in the thread
[22:47] <supers> yeah he probably is a little bit dumb
[22:47] <supers> :-(
[22:55] <supers> this guy
[22:55] <supers> is too agressive
[22:55] <xtfftc> yep
[22:55] <supers> i want to apologize for his behaviour ;-)
[22:55] <supers> now i remember why we thought that he's town
[22:56] <xtfftc> his behaviour is fine
[22:56] <xtfftc> it's part of the game
[22:56] <xtfftc> why did you think he's town again?
[22:58] <supers> because he's so fucking agressive in irc :D
[22:59] <supers> and i think incognito and NC manipulated him
[22:59] <supers> unfortunately for you
[23:00] <xtfftc> he's been aggressive in the thread from the very start as well
[23:01] <supers> yep
[23:01] <supers> he's probably town
[23:01] <supers> i don't think that he's faking this agressiveness
[23:01] <supers> you know what i mean?
[23:01] <supers> he's probably VT
[23:03] <xtfftc> consider this
[23:03] <xtfftc> wbg is a relatively new player who doesn't have a lot of experience with being mafia
[23:03] <xtfftc> he usually posts A LOT
[23:03] <xtfftc> probably more than anyone else on TL mafia
[23:04] <xtfftc> if he doesn't, he'd attract a lot of attention
[23:04] <xtfftc> so he needs to do something else
[23:04] <xtfftc> he's been playing the same way palmar played in LOTR and Ace's game
[23:05] <xtfftc> he was third party in LOTR and mafia in Ace's, so he wanted to disrupt town in both games
[23:05] <xtfftc> he was posting a lot and was being really aggressive
[23:05] <xtfftc> and now WBG is playing exactly like this.. I wouldn't be surprised if Palmar's been coaching him
[23:06] <xtfftc> the thing that bugs me is that good players who flipped town were sure of his allignment
[23:06] <xtfftc> alignment*
[23:07] <supers> hmm
[23:08] <supers> [23:07] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[23:08] <supers> lol
[23:08] <supers> ^_^
[23:10] <xtfftc> he's probably sensing that I'm onto him and wants to relent me ^^
[23:11] <xtfftc> what do you think of what I just wrote about him and palmar?
[23:11] <supers> it's a possibility
[23:11] <supers> for sure
[23:11] <supers> and if he's scum
[23:11] <supers> you might be town :D
[23:11] <supers> otherwise it looks grim
[23:11] <supers> because i don't think
[23:12] <supers> this incog/wbg/nc connection
[23:12] <supers> was 100% town ^_^
[23:12] <supers> seriously
[23:12] <supers> GM is not stupid
[23:12] <supers> Curu was modconfirmed town
[23:12] <supers> you know
[23:12] <supers> i still think you're scum
[23:13] <xtfftc> tt
[23:13] <supers> sorry dude
[23:13] <supers> nothing personal :D
[23:14] <supers> okay
[23:14] <supers> i got to sleep
[23:14] <supers> sorry :-o
[23:14] <xtfftc> gimme a minute
[23:14] <supers> okay
[23:14] <xtfftc> I just want to find something in the logs
[23:15] <xtfftc> unless I'm imagining it
[23:16] <supers> :D
[23:16] <supers> what do you think about forumite?
[23:17] <xtfftc> nothing yet
[23:17] <supers> k
[23:17] <xtfftc> I'll try to post on everyone tomorrow
[23:17] <supers> think about him!
[23:17] <xtfftc> this is how the log between wbg and gm starts
[23:17] <supers> i won't vote until tomorrow
[23:18] <xtfftc> personwhoPMs is wbg
[23:18] <xtfftc> MrFluffles is gm
[23:18] <supers> ahm w8
[23:18] <supers> yes
[23:18] <xtfftc> Charles Suo is curu
[23:18] <supers> fluffles is GM
[23:18] <xtfftc> and wbg is quoting him
[23:18] <supers> correct
[23:18] <supers> i guess
[23:18] <supers> too tired to check
[23:18] <supers> the names are correct
[23:19] <xtfftc> you'll have th eopportunity to check it
[23:19] <xtfftc> if you want to... I don't imagine even a lazy mafia lying about something like this anyway
[23:19] <xtfftc> I don't really understand this bit:
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:48] <@MrFluffles> again I have no faith in "scumslips"
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:48] <personwhoPMs> Maajid Mohammed Nazrulla [9/29/2011 3:52:08 PM] Charles Suo: it was funny cause everything Kurumi said [9/29/2011 3:52:11 PM] Charles Suo: just made it more and more obvious [9/29/2011 3:52:15 PM] Charles Suo: one of us was mafia [9/29/2011 3:52:27 PM] Charles Suo: threatening to modkill both lol [9/29/2011 3:52:35 PM] Charles Suo: if we were same alignment he wouldn't have said anyt
[23:19] <xtfftc> hing
[23:19] <xtfftc> and then WBG continues with:
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:48] <personwhoPMs> does that
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:48] <personwhoPMs> strike you as weird?
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:49] <personwhoPMs> [9/29/2011 3:52:56 PM] Charles Suo: he basically confirmed me as town [9/29/2011 3:52:58 PM] Charles Suo: to everyone in the irc channel
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:50] <@MrFluffles> yes yes it does
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:50] <@MrFluffles> I like his "emphasis" on "I am town, 100% confirmed"
[23:19] <xtfftc> [03:50] <personwhoPMs> it struck me as weird too
[23:20] <xtfftc> [03:51] <@MrFluffles> scum LOVE that
[23:20] <supers> mhm
[23:20] <supers> man
[23:20] <supers> GM is manipulating wbg
[23:20] <supers> :-(
[23:20] <xtfftc> maybe
[23:20] <xtfftc> this is the very first log I have
[23:20] <xtfftc> and WBG starts the curu thing
[23:20] <xtfftc> tomorrow I'll try to get wbg talking about it
[23:21] <xtfftc> to see if there was something before it... GM told me there was nothing relevant
[23:21] <supers> i got wbgs shit, all of it :D
[23:21] <supers> i got to reread that too
[23:21] <supers> man
[23:21] <xtfftc> and I'll check the dates to see if GM posted anything on Curu before that in the thread
[23:22] <xtfftc> anyway, see you tomorrow
[23:22] <supers> yep
[23:22] <supers> thanks
[23:22] <supers> :-)
[23:22] <supers> cu
[22:34] <wherebugsgo> lol what are you doing
[22:39] <supers> sharing some gems
[22:40] <supers> i got much much much much more
[22:40] <supers> :D
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> oh god
[22:40] <supers> i got a lot of stuff from incognito, curu and mig
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> okay so I'm talking to risk now btw
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> okay good
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> keep it until tonight
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to be identifying
[22:40] <wherebugsgo> the scum today
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> and I believe I might be a prime target for tomorrow night
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> but DO NOT
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> establish this in the thread
[22:41] <supers> what
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> I don't want
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> well okay I don't want to be shot
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> but at the same time
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> I don't want mafia to use me as WIFOM
[22:41] <wherebugsgo> risk just claimed drunk demo to me
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> and his PMing with me
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> seems townie
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> so I'll be pushing different lynches all today
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> to see what reactions I get
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> once I get a scummy reaction I will basically push it hard. I have two of you guys I can trust with my logs
[22:42] <wherebugsgo> so I'll send it all to you and the other one I trust
[22:43] <wherebugsgo> if during night phase I think I'll be dying I'll post it all in thread
[23:04] <wherebugsgo> have yo useen sinani recently
[23:07] <supers> no
[23:07] <wherebugsgo> mmm
[23:07] <supers> i am spending my time in the university learning :D
[23:07] <supers> i am here now
[23:07] <supers> ^_^
[23:07] <wherebugsgo> okay. I'm going to try to get the reads out of risk. ATM he's walking the fine line between being absolute dumb town and dumb scum
[23:07] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[23:08] <wherebugsgo> so this leaves sinani forumite sevryn
[23:08] <supers> we kill sevryn today
[23:08] <supers> i think he's a save bet
[23:08] <supers> if forumite survives the night
[23:08] <wherebugsgo> why not Forumite or sinani?
[23:08] <supers> he should be next
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> k I agree on that
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to be writing a case on Forumite
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> I won't post it today
[23:09] <supers> because the log
[23:09] <supers> i posted
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> and if I die I need someone else to post it
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> yeah I saw that
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> but
[23:09] <supers> says that forumite claimed something to mig
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> I'll try to see
[23:09] <supers> if he's not scum
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> if he slipped day 1
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> or day 2
[23:09] <supers> they shoot him
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> right
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> if he slipped day 1
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> ah fuck
[23:09] <wherebugsgo> you shouldn't have posted that log
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> they don't have any reason to shoot him still
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> if he's town
[23:10] <supers> they have
[23:10] <supers> don
[23:10] <supers> 't worry
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> lol wat
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> I mean why wouldn't they just shoot you and me
[23:10] <supers> he claimed a powerrole to mig
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> yeah, I know that
[23:10] <supers> they don't shoot you
[23:10] <supers> for sure
[23:10] <wherebugsgo> why is that?
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> why would I not be a target
[23:15] <supers> ahm
[23:15] <supers> because you post very much
[23:15] <wherebugsgo> lol
[23:15] <supers> but unfortunately noone listens
[23:15] <wherebugsgo> lool so true
[23:15] <supers> you posted that curuthing
[23:15] <supers> and switched to incognito
[23:15] <supers> you defended palmar
[23:15] <wherebugsgo> ahahaha
[23:15] <wherebugsgo> okay so do you think
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> scum can paint me
[23:16] <supers> you won't get shot by scum :D
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> as scummy?
[23:16] <supers> ofc they can
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> aight
[23:16] <supers> and they will try to
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> so do you think risk is more likely to be scum
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> and forumite as well
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> because they have been doing that since night 1?
[23:16] <supers> no
[23:16] <supers> the scumteam in my eyes contains
[23:16] <wherebugsgo> okay. let's discuss reasons
[23:17] <supers> xtfftc, sevryn and forumite
[23:17] <wherebugsgo> okay so we disagree on xt then
[23:17] <wherebugsgo> you agree we should give xt some time?
[23:17] <supers> i do
[23:17] <wherebugsgo> alright. atm he's leaning town in the way he's arguing with me
[23:17] <wherebugsgo> but his logic isn't making sense
[23:18] <wherebugsgo> he isn't a fabulous townie by any means so it's not like...telegraphing anything at all
[23:18] <wherebugsgo> risk keeps typing and typing and typing and deleting, then sends me this one line thing
[23:18] <wherebugsgo> that says nothing
[23:18] <wherebugsgo> but from earlier in the convo he sounded super noob so I can't even tell what he is
[23:19] <supers> he's no bad player
[23:19] <wherebugsgo> he's good?
[23:20] <wherebugsgo> [1:27:42 PM] VictorJarl Engwall [nuke]: I'll do it noq [1:29:01 PM] VictorJarl Engwall [nuke]: btw, do you get what this means? "Scamp the Mute Awkward Cow died to Liberty Launcher." [1:29:39 PM] Maajid Mohammed Nazrulla: no, I think it's just a kill flavor [1:29:53 PM] Maajid Mohammed Nazrulla: mafia killed Scamp last night and I don't think any of the rest of the flavor has any relevance to the game [1:31:22 PM] VictorJarl Engwall
[23:20] <wherebugsgo> oh you talking xt or nuke?
[23:20] <supers> ???
[23:20] <wherebugsgo> when you said "he's no bad player"
[23:20] <wherebugsgo> are you talking about xt or nuke?
[23:21] <supers> xt
[23:21] <wherebugsgo> k
[23:21] <wherebugsgo> is risk new?
[23:21] <wherebugsgo> (also xt in XLIV protted every mafia in a row in endgame...)
[23:21] <supers> yea
[23:21] <supers> that idiot
[23:22] <supers> i tunneled him the whole game long
[23:22] <supers> and he turned out to be medic
[23:22] <supers> lol
[23:22] <supers> he was so scummy
[23:22] <supers> really
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> lol
[23:22] <supers> got to sleep
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> alright
[23:22] <supers> i am so tired
[23:22] <supers> :D
[23:22] <supers> really
[23:22] <supers> :D
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> I'll be on when you wake I think
[23:22] <supers> but xt is scum
[23:22] <supers> :D
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> if yo uhave time to talk then
[23:22] <wherebugsgo> lol we'll see
[23:23] <supers> 7 hours
[23:23] <wherebugsgo> remember he was scummy in XLIV too hahaha
[23:23] <supers> from now
[23:23] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good
[23:23] <wherebugsgo> 9:30 pm for me lol
[23:23] <supers> cu
[23:23] <wherebugsgo> auf wiedersehen
[23:23] <supers> ah
[23:23] <supers> dankeschön
[23:23] <supers> :-D
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[22:25] <supers> erandorr
[22:25] <supers> can we talk?
[22:25] <supers> ah
[22:25] <supers> or still muted
[22:25] <supers> probably
[22:25] <supers> ...
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[22:25] <supers> oh hi
[22:25] <supers> nice
[22:25] <xtfftc> scum
[22:26] <supers> ;-)
[22:26] <wherebugsgo> super PM me in here
[22:26] <wherebugsgo> I'm handling 4 convos at once lol
[22:27] <supers> we talk later kek? i need to talk to xtfftc
[22:28] <xtfftc> yep, you'd better talk to me first because I'm going to bed soon
[22:28] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[22:28] <supers> good
[22:28] <supers> you want a private conversation
[22:28] <supers> ?
[22:28] <supers> :D
[22:28] <xtfftc> I've got nothing to hide
[22:29] <supers> ahahaha
[22:29] <xtfftc> and considering that I'm just joining the game
[22:29] <supers> ofc not
[22:29] <supers> :D
[22:29] <xtfftc> it might be better to do it here
[22:29] <supers> okay i dont know how many info you got from GM
[22:29] <supers> about his thoughts etc
[22:30] <xtfftc> absolutely nothing, just the logs/PMs
[22:30] <supers> every log?
[22:30] <supers> i got his logs with wbg, too
[22:31] <supers> i wanna know why he got the impression that curu is town
[22:31] <supers> äääh scum
[22:31] <xtfftc> not absolutely everything, just the ones he thought were good enough
[22:31] <supers> okay
[22:31] <wherebugsgo> rofl our logs
[22:31] <wherebugsgo> are huge
[22:31] <xtfftc> yes they were
[22:31] <supers> who do you think came up with the curuthing first?
[22:31] <xtfftc> GM posted his case on curu in the thread
[22:32] <supers> nonono
[22:32] <xtfftc> I don't have any info on who came up with it first apart from what I read in the thread
[22:32] <supers> they talked about it earier
[22:32] <supers> and posted it in the thread later
[22:32] <supers> incognito gave me this post before they posted it i think
[22:33] <supers> okay so you don't know... :-/
[22:33] <wherebugsgo> xt the logs
[22:33] <wherebugsgo> can answer that
[22:33] <xtfftc> I was hoping to avoid reading them....
[22:33] <xtfftc> brb five minutes, I guess
[22:33] <supers> lol it was a lot of work for me to read through wbgs shit :D
[22:33] <supers> :D:D:D
[22:33] <supers> hey
[22:33] <supers> xtfftc
[22:34] <supers> you can just give that convos to me
[22:34] <supers> :D
[22:34] <supers> i'll read them for you
[22:34] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf
[22:34] <xtfftc> didn't you just say that incognito gave them to you anyway? ^^
[22:34] <supers> no
[22:34] <supers> incognito gave me the post
[22:34] <supers> not the genesis of it
[22:35] <supers> wbg gave me the logs
[22:35] <supers> where he was with them
[22:35] <wherebugsgo> dude the genesis is in the logs
[22:35] <wherebugsgo> lol
[22:35] <xtfftc> which post did incognite give you exactly?
[22:36] <supers> w8 a sec
[22:37] <supers> Think of it this way. Two mafia try to use PM slips to "catch" each other in the thread. This is illegal, so you tell them to stop. one of the mafia keeps pushing it, and says that its not fair to let him live because otherwise he's confirmed town. If you are the host, you are in a tough situation. If you modkill both of them for breaking the rules, then you've pretty much ruined your game, as half the mafia is dead. If you don't modkill anyone, you can't say anythi
[22:37] <supers> Original Message From Incognito: Whoops I thought I sent you something but apparently I didn't. Basically Curu and Forumite are mafia, I'm pretty sure. WBG and NotChezinu are town, I'm in contact with them. An analysis will go up shortly but I need you to shoot Curu tonight. Mig is being manipulated by Curu and refuses to believe that Curu is mafia. Mig doesn't believe that Forumite is mafia, and I think it will be disasterous if this manipulation continues. Pleas
[22:37] <supers> Original Message From Incognito: Hmm all yesterday I was leaning town. He is just way overzealous. I'll keep an eye on him but for right now I'm looking at some of the more lurkerish people. Curu has mysteriously disappeared over the last day, quite a sharp contrast from "parlmar 100% red". What do you think of him?
[22:37] <wherebugsgo> unfortunately all of that shit is wrong now LOL
[22:37] <wherebugsgo> well not all of it persay
[22:38] <supers> yes it is
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> but the Curu/Forumite link
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> is destroyed
[22:38] <supers> fuck
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> which is why we can't really be sure on Forumite
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> well
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> I suppose we can
[22:38] <wherebugsgo> but w/e that's for another time lol
[22:39] <supers> you read the log between me and mig
[22:39] <supers> i posted in the thrad?
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[22:41] <xtfftc> I was kind of following the thread before joining the game
[22:41] <xtfftc> so I've read pretty much everythjing
[22:41] <xtfftc> but at the moment I'm going through it because it's a mess
[22:41] <supers> the thread is irrelevant
[22:41] <supers> :D
[22:41] <supers> we discussed everything in here
[22:41] <xtfftc> yes but I've got to start from somewhere
[22:42] <supers> mhm
[22:42] <supers> i think we had three circles.
[22:42] <supers> of PMs
[22:43] <wherebugsgo> yo xt
[22:43] <wherebugsgo> why should we think you're town?
[22:44] <xtfftc> you have no reason to
[22:44] <xtfftc> I've just joined the game and haven't contributed anything
[22:44] <xtfftc> so I'm basically a lurker
[22:44] <wherebugsgo> right
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> you have around 24 hours though
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> I'm pretty sure lynching you
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> would be extremely stupid today
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> but if you're not 3/4 town to me by the end of today
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> I will push your lynch tomorrow
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> well assuming I'm alive
[22:45] <wherebugsgo> lol
[22:46] <xtfftc> who would you go for if I convince you that I'm town?
[22:47] <wherebugsgo> wtf
[22:47] <wherebugsgo> that's an incredibly scummy question
[22:47] <wherebugsgo> I'll go for whoever I think is most likely to be scum
[22:48] <xtfftc> no, it's not scummy
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> well, yeah it is...lol. think about the scum side to it
[22:48] <xtfftc> you['re basically saying that you'll go for the new player even if it's a 50:50 chance he's mafia
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> no
[22:48] <xtfftc> which is saying that you have no mafia reads at all
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> I just told you I'm not going to lynch you today
[22:48] <xtfftc> wherebugsgo> but if you're not 3/4 town to me by the end of today
[22:48] <xtfftc> <wherebugsgo> I will push your lynch tomorrow
[22:48] <supers> wbg calm down. :D
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> yes
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> I just said
[22:48] <supers> we need to start from the beginning
[22:48] <wherebugsgo> I'm not going to push your lynch today
[22:48] <supers> its 12:3
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> it's 9:3 dude
[22:49] <supers> we did not lose any blues except one medic
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> not 12:3 lol
[22:49] <supers> OH WHAT
[22:49] <supers> 9:§
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> yeah.
[22:49] <supers> fuck
[22:49] <xtfftc> it's 9:3
[22:49] <xtfftc> anyway
[22:49] <supers> D:
[22:49] <supers> lol okay
[22:49] <supers> turbolynch xtfftc
[22:49] <supers> :D
[22:49] <xtfftc> doesn't matter if it's today or tomorrow
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> xt it's a scummy question because if you're scum
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> and I tell you who I would push instead of you
[22:49] <wherebugsgo> you can easily just bandwagon that person
[22:50] <xtfftc> ...and bandwagonning helps me by?
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> I'd rather have your opinions first
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> you can always fake reasons, no?
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> heck
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> that's why people thought NC was scummy
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> he pushed jcarl and forumite and curu in our log
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> and if any of them are town and NC is scum
[22:50] <wherebugsgo> he's basically just probing for whoever me and Incog thought was most likely to be scum
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> then he fabricates a case around that person to get a mislynch
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> it's really good scum play
[22:51] <xtfftc> sure but either way I would have to post thoughts on someone
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> right.
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> I think it's better
[22:51] <xtfftc> if I'm faking them, it'd be easier to challenge me on that
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> if you post your thoughts
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> without me giving you thoughts first
[22:51] <wherebugsgo> so I know they're your OWN thoughts
[22:52] <wherebugsgo> right so imagine it from my PoV right
[22:52] <xtfftc> and I think it'd be nice if you tell me why someone should be at least 75% townie in your eyes to lynch him
[22:52] <xtfftc> when the current ratio is 3:1
[22:52] <wherebugsgo> because you just replaced someone
[22:52] <wherebugsgo> who literally the entire town thought yesterday
[22:52] <wherebugsgo> was #1 scum
[22:53] <xtfftc> if you're town, you'd have reasonable expectations
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> how is that not a reasonable expectation?
[22:53] <xtfftc> you wouldn't expect me to join in and get all mafia
[22:53] <xtfftc> you'd expect me to contribute
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> you have more than 24 hours to establish yourself as town
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> I didn't ask that
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> did I?
[22:53] <wherebugsgo> I asked you to contribute your reads
[22:53] <xtfftc> however, when I see you I see someone who has been in the game from the very start
[22:54] <xtfftc> and wants to use to replacement as an excuse to lurk
[22:54] <xtfftc> the*
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> wtf?
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> what are you even trying to say?
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> I'm not using any excuses
[22:54] <xtfftc> my thoughts precisely
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> ???
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> you're not making any sense dude
[22:54] <xtfftc> (that was for the wtf? ^^)
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> I can't give you reads
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> you just replaced into the game
[22:54] <xtfftc> what it is that you didn't understand?
[22:54] <wherebugsgo> the burden is on you
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> to establish yourself
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> as a townie
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> not on me
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> me giving you my reads doesn't establish your towniness
[22:55] <wherebugsgo> if I think you could be either alignment there's no reason for me to give you my reads at all
[22:58] <xtfftc> okay, so how is this different from what I wrote?
[22:58] <xtfftc> you don't want to post your reads because I just entered the game
[22:58] <wherebugsgo> no, I don't want to give YOU my reads
[22:58] <wherebugsgo> I've given my reads to players I think are town
[22:58] <wherebugsgo> I haven't posted them in the thread because the thread is public and mafia can see it
[22:59] <xtfftc> put yourself in my shoes, would you?
[22:59] <wherebugsgo> would I get reads on players and give them to probable townies?
[22:59] <wherebugsgo> yes
[23:00] <wherebugsgo> would I post them in the thread or in this IRC channel?
[23:00] <wherebugsgo> no
[23:00] <wherebugsgo> well, not until I actually wanted to trap the other scum, that is
[23:00] <wherebugsgo> and that's only useful when you have a case you're sure on.
[23:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway, I'm giving you plenty of time
[23:01] <wherebugsgo> you have all of today and most of the night phase to form your own reads
[23:02] <wherebugsgo> it's not like you even have to find mafia
[23:02] <wherebugsgo> you just have to show to me that you're town and willing to contribute
[23:02] <wherebugsgo> ex. don't do what like half the players in the game have done
[23:07] <xtfftc> dude, I know I have to contribute
[23:07] <xtfftc> but first I have to figure some things out for myself
[23:08] <xtfftc> and so I'm starting with considering everyone as being suspicious
[23:08] <xtfftc> for me, you are not a confirmed townie
[23:09] <xtfftc> and what you said for me applies for you as well
[23:09] <xtfftc> until I consider you to be a probable townie, I'll be reluctant to give you my reads
[23:09] <xtfftc> so put yourself in my shoes, would you?
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> I already answered that question
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> we are not in equal positions
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> you have all those logs
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> and the entire thread to read
[23:11] <wherebugsgo> I don't
[23:12] <wherebugsgo> I did not replace someone who was thought by 90% of the town to be scum
[23:12] <wherebugsgo> and conversely I am not a player who was scummy to the town leaders
[23:12] <wherebugsgo> I have no obligation to give you my reads, you just have to take my word that other townies have them
[23:12] <wherebugsgo> I'm not asking for them now, I'm just saying you need to do it before lynch today
[23:13] <wherebugsgo> which is in 25 hours
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and a lot more stuff
Now back to this game, I am still not 100% sure of Palmar. He didn't react to my vote at all. However I still don't trust him and I want to express my reservations now:
First of all, I want to describe my personal impression of day1. I feel like we made it too easy to sheepvote and we're all responsible for that. It is a game with a lot of new players, but that doesn't mean we let everyone get away with a ninjavote.
Exactly that happened and we had a lot of the people voting without a credible reason.
I know I bear part of the blame with my early vote, but it's no use crying over spilled milk. We have to look at the consequences thereout.
I assume, because of the situation I described above, scum had an easy job to install one of them in the office.
==== Palmar or BC are scum
It's just too hard to decide between them.
Annex:
I already went for BC and he failed yet to answer my questions. Moreover sandroba has found something very interessting:
On November 28 2011 22:27 sandroba wrote:
LSB was oblivious to the pain as his assailant's fists once again drove into his face and he roughly toppled over onto the ground. After the first few minutes of the beating, he had ceased to feel the damage being done to his body as he had descended into something resembling a trance. Crimson blood flowed down his face and arms, and left red marks wherever they dripped on or smeared the pavement which reminded him of the ink blots psychologists used. He knew the thought was sick, and tried to roll over onto his back only to be met by a heavy kick to the ribs. The pounding of blood was loud in his ears, and he was near ignorant of his attacker speaking above him.
"I think it's time this town's learned a lesson, don't you?"
LSB tried to lift his arms in defense, as the man removed a wooden bat from the trunk of his car, but the pain was too much and the most he could do was groan loudly as the club was brought down on his head.
LSB the Miller has been beaten to death!
Bloody as hell. Beaten with a wooden bat. "I think it's time this town's learned a lesson, don't you?"
GM especifically told everyone that if you didn't put anything on your profile he would make it obvious. This person is cocky as fuck, so he thinks he can get away with anything.
BloodyCobbler
LSB was oblivious to the pain as his assailant's fists once again drove into his face and he roughly toppled over onto the ground. After the first few minutes of the beating, he had ceased to feel the damage being done to his body as he had descended into something resembling a trance. Crimson blood flowed down his face and arms, and left red marks wherever they dripped on or smeared the pavement which reminded him of the ink blots psychologists used. He knew the thought was sick, and tried to roll over onto his back only to be met by a heavy kick to the ribs. The pounding of blood was loud in his ears, and he was near ignorant of his attacker speaking above him.
"I think it's time this town's learned a lesson, don't you?"
LSB tried to lift his arms in defense, as the man removed a wooden bat from the trunk of his car, but the pain was too much and the most he could do was groan loudly as the club was brought down on his head.
LSB the Miller has been beaten to death!
Bloody as hell. Beaten with a wooden bat. "I think it's time this town's learned a lesson, don't you?"
GM especifically told everyone that if you didn't put anything on your profile he would make it obvious. This person is cocky as fuck, so he thinks he can get away with anything.
BloodyCobbler
On the other hand I read Aces allegations against Palmar and I don't think that they are too bad.
In addition to that he contradicts himself:
On November 28 2011 10:41 Palmar wrote:
@medics, protect Ace.
If he's scum he will reveal it soon enough. If he's town, he's our best player.
@medics, protect Ace.
If he's scum he will reveal it soon enough. If he's town, he's our best player.
On November 28 2011 20:52 Palmar wrote:
Btw, I'm up for lynching Ace today.
I'm actually up for dedicating one of the lynches today to either killing me or Ace. As long as town agrees to lynch the other should one flip town. While losing me as town mayor sucks, the influence Ace already has over town is troubling, and if I have to trade myself 1 for 1 against him, I'll do it.
If you're voting for Wherebugsgo, vote me instead, or preferably, Ace.
I think everyone in town can agree that dedicating one of the lynches today to not lynching based on clues, but analysis, is going to force people who would otherwise skirt by with doing clue analysis, to actually contribute to the thread.
In my book a one for one trade is a good one.
What do you say Ace, you up for a stand-off?
Btw, I'm up for lynching Ace today.
I'm actually up for dedicating one of the lynches today to either killing me or Ace. As long as town agrees to lynch the other should one flip town. While losing me as town mayor sucks, the influence Ace already has over town is troubling, and if I have to trade myself 1 for 1 against him, I'll do it.
If you're voting for Wherebugsgo, vote me instead, or preferably, Ace.
I think everyone in town can agree that dedicating one of the lynches today to not lynching based on clues, but analysis, is going to force people who would otherwise skirt by with doing clue analysis, to actually contribute to the thread.
In my book a one for one trade is a good one.
What do you say Ace, you up for a stand-off?
mhmhmhmh I don't know yet what I should think about these things...
We don't have to judge over these two players today. I think as long as they do their job well from our perspective, we shouldn't lynch them. A mislynch of one of these players would be very bad, since their abilitys are great assets for us.
But I want you to realize this composition in the office we very likely have to deal with.
