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On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. Show nested quote +although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=]
no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now.
And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me.
On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield? Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi. Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes. The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =]
Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand.
On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) out of this: (palmar) Show nested quote +We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.
Of course it was.
If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani.
Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope.
Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope.
So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is:
On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible.
On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me  Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town?
On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge.
You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis.
This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so.
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On November 19 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 02:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 02:11 Lanaia wrote:On November 18 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
I was under the impression Lanaia has played quite a bit on globalgamers (IRC mafia) I recall something about that from PTP2. If I'm wrong, well then I'm sorry I guess.
IRC mafia is not the same as forum mafia. I am a hell of a lot better at IRC mafia than at forum mafia. Also, I'm really sorry if I don't post much within the next... 12 hours (unless the highway is shut down, I'll be working tonight). I hate this feeling I have. I want everyone who is currently active to be town (though that is highly unlikely). Right now, I feel that only one of chaoser and Palmar can be scum (leaning Palmar); however they could technically be both town, but I get the feeling scum would not try to bus day one, am I correct in thinking this? Knowing Palmar, he's already tried to bus his whole team, but Chaoser wouldn't have. If I'm not around tomorrow, keep in mind that starting all this 'people I think are town' during the night is painting targets for the mafia, and Palmar started it. I have a very busy weekend so my contributions will of a lower quality until Monday. Both chaoser and Palmar are well known for bussing their teammates. Palmar is also self-proclaimed to be terrible as scum. Chaoser is not bad at scum IMO but for me it's easy to tell when he is. His hyperaggressiveness in defending himself by continually berating Palmar is a scum defense of his he usually employs. He did it to me and Mig in PYP when I was on his back for being scummy. Finally, use your brain. If Palmar wanted to paint targets for scum he'd do it in their QT. He wouldn't out to the entire thread who he think would make good doc prots. Most of his reads are fine, too.
Why would he leave it in the QT? He can distract town from scumhunting, and make sure the mafia reads match up to ones from legitimate townies. As you've noticed, it's also a great way to try and direct the doctors protects, and therefore a great way to ensure all kp hits.
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On November 19 2011 00:33 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 00:24 Palmar wrote:On November 19 2011 00:23 xsksc wrote:
Well Palmar, here's my thoughts.
I think the Kenpachi/Sinani lynches were silly. The only real scum read I have right now is on Drazerk. I'm not sure about Chaoser, I don't know his meta so it's harder for me to form an opinion on his town play. There are a couple of others I'm undecided on.
People I think are town :
wherebugsgo
palmar
risk.nuke
harbingerofdoom
lanaia
forumite
People I think are scum/I'm suspicious of :
prphlz
chaoser
drazerk
lemonwalrus
That's my current opinions, I have nothing solid to go on with chaoser/prphlz/lemon though.
Also, I'm really surprised I made it onto your vig list. I actually made a case on someone and stuck with it, I didn't join those ridiculous bandwagons that got two of our blues killed day 1.
well, to be fair, maybe it's just best if vigis hold their shots. I can relate to your list though I don't agree with all the reads (pending re-reading I'd say harbringer could be scum, and prplhz could be town). The reason HoD is on my town list is because he voted drazerk before most people. I'm reasonably confident that drazerk is scum, which would make HoD almost confirmed townie to me. And yeah the prphlz thing is really just a feeling at the moment, I don't have anything solid on him.
While I am flattered you're so sure of me, don't be that trusting so easily. We don't even know Drazerk's alignment for sure yet. For all you know I could be scum that found an easy wagon and hopped on early.
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also I just showed you how Palmar didn't just go after chaoser. Chaoser was his main focus, but he also commented on nearly everything else that happened yesterday.
Similarly, that's what I did. Some players yesterday were so focused on one player they completely ignored everything else, like what chaoser was doing, what bum was doing, what LSB was doing, what Coag was doing, what Drazerk was doing, what Nisani was doing, and so on.
Most players were focused on one of Kenpachi/sinani/Drazerk and that was incredibly counter productive for us, because Drazerk could be of either alignment right now as well. That means there's a strong possibility we were just focusing on all townies and were being led in circles by scum.
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On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=] no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield? Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi. Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes. The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =] Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization out of this: (palmar) We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so.
And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk.
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If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani.
Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope.
Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope.
So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is:
You provided shitty reasons. Might as well not have provided reasons at all. That's not reasoning btw, that's shitty scumtalk.
You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis.
I didn't break sinani down quote by quote and call it analysis. I I straight up said I voted sinani cause he was shitting up the thread. I wanted him gone cause he's 100% useless. Kenpachi isn't. And let you pushed for kenpachi cause he was "bad for town" and then tried to say it was analysis! good job!
You and Palmar are such buttbuddies <3
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On November 19 2011 06:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 02:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 02:11 Lanaia wrote:On November 18 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
I was under the impression Lanaia has played quite a bit on globalgamers (IRC mafia) I recall something about that from PTP2. If I'm wrong, well then I'm sorry I guess.
IRC mafia is not the same as forum mafia. I am a hell of a lot better at IRC mafia than at forum mafia. Also, I'm really sorry if I don't post much within the next... 12 hours (unless the highway is shut down, I'll be working tonight). I hate this feeling I have. I want everyone who is currently active to be town (though that is highly unlikely). Right now, I feel that only one of chaoser and Palmar can be scum (leaning Palmar); however they could technically be both town, but I get the feeling scum would not try to bus day one, am I correct in thinking this? Knowing Palmar, he's already tried to bus his whole team, but Chaoser wouldn't have. If I'm not around tomorrow, keep in mind that starting all this 'people I think are town' during the night is painting targets for the mafia, and Palmar started it. I have a very busy weekend so my contributions will of a lower quality until Monday. Both chaoser and Palmar are well known for bussing their teammates. Palmar is also self-proclaimed to be terrible as scum. Chaoser is not bad at scum IMO but for me it's easy to tell when he is. His hyperaggressiveness in defending himself by continually berating Palmar is a scum defense of his he usually employs. He did it to me and Mig in PYP when I was on his back for being scummy. Finally, use your brain. If Palmar wanted to paint targets for scum he'd do it in their QT. He wouldn't out to the entire thread who he think would make good doc prots. Most of his reads are fine, too. Why would he leave it in the QT? He can distract town from scumhunting, and make sure the mafia reads match up to ones from legitimate townies. As you've noticed, it's also a great way to try and direct the doctors protects, and therefore a great way to ensure all kp hits.
omg...
this is almost not worth responding to.
At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is mafia and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around.
Sure, he COULD be trying to direct doctors so that scum can all land their hits. But then why would he direct doctors to the most active and productive townies? Do you disagree with his calls?
If you disagree with his calls then perhaps there is an agenda. You want the most productive townies to survive. If they are not protected, then scum will shoot them at will. It's optimal for scum to shoot the best townies.
Otherwise, they'll be shooting into the pool of players who will have little influence on the lynch tomorrow, which is actually not optimal for them. Unless they have a strong reason to suspect someone is blue, there is no reason to not shoot the townies with the best reads and thread presence.
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On November 19 2011 06:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=] no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield? Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi. Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes. The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =] Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization out of this: (palmar) We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so. And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk.
yes, and so did I, because at the end of the day we were not sure if Drazerk was scum based on his behavior.
Good god are you not reading?
Drazerk makes a good vig shot because his style of play is useless to either alignment. He's scummy because of the things he's done, but he very well could be town because this is how he plays. That's why a lynch on him is a bad idea.
Yesterday people I thought were scum were voting Drazerk, so I unvoted Drazerk because that's a suggestion he's not scum. Palmar did the same, he seemed to agree with me.
Despite Drazerk not being the best lynch yesterday, he is still a good vig target because his behavior is unlikely to deviate from that of scummy townie/bad scum.
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On November 19 2011 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 02:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 02:11 Lanaia wrote:On November 18 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
I was under the impression Lanaia has played quite a bit on globalgamers (IRC mafia) I recall something about that from PTP2. If I'm wrong, well then I'm sorry I guess.
IRC mafia is not the same as forum mafia. I am a hell of a lot better at IRC mafia than at forum mafia. Also, I'm really sorry if I don't post much within the next... 12 hours (unless the highway is shut down, I'll be working tonight). I hate this feeling I have. I want everyone who is currently active to be town (though that is highly unlikely). Right now, I feel that only one of chaoser and Palmar can be scum (leaning Palmar); however they could technically be both town, but I get the feeling scum would not try to bus day one, am I correct in thinking this? Knowing Palmar, he's already tried to bus his whole team, but Chaoser wouldn't have. If I'm not around tomorrow, keep in mind that starting all this 'people I think are town' during the night is painting targets for the mafia, and Palmar started it. I have a very busy weekend so my contributions will of a lower quality until Monday. Both chaoser and Palmar are well known for bussing their teammates. Palmar is also self-proclaimed to be terrible as scum. Chaoser is not bad at scum IMO but for me it's easy to tell when he is. His hyperaggressiveness in defending himself by continually berating Palmar is a scum defense of his he usually employs. He did it to me and Mig in PYP when I was on his back for being scummy. Finally, use your brain. If Palmar wanted to paint targets for scum he'd do it in their QT. He wouldn't out to the entire thread who he think would make good doc prots. Most of his reads are fine, too. Why would he leave it in the QT? He can distract town from scumhunting, and make sure the mafia reads match up to ones from legitimate townies. As you've noticed, it's also a great way to try and direct the doctors protects, and therefore a great way to ensure all kp hits. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is mafia and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. Sure, he COULD be trying to direct doctors so that scum can all land their hits. But then why would he direct doctors to the most active and productive townies? Do you disagree with his calls? If you disagree with his calls then perhaps there is an agenda. You want the most productive townies to survive. If they are not protected, then scum will shoot them at will. It's optimal for scum to shoot the best townies. Otherwise, they'll be shooting into the pool of players who will have little influence on the lynch tomorrow, which is actually not optimal for them. Unless they have a strong reason to suspect someone is blue, there is no reason to not shoot the townies with the best reads and thread presence.
omg...
this is almost not worth responding to.
At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is town and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around.
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On November 19 2011 06:53 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani.
Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope.
Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope.
So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: You provided shitty reasons. Might as well not have provided reasons at all. That's not reasoning btw, that's shitty scumtalk. I didn't break sinani down quote by quote and call it analysis. I I straight up said I voted sinani cause he was shitting up the thread. I wanted him gone cause he's 100% useless. Kenpachi isn't. And let you pushed for kenpachi cause he was "bad for town" and then tried to say it was analysis! good job! You and Palmar are such buttbuddies <3
lol.
This post wasn't even aimed at you and you're trying to spin it as if it is about you. Guess the world revolves around you, chaoser, eh?
I mentioned that you don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis because DCLXVI or whatever his name is said that Palmar's reasoning for suspecting Drazerk wasn't analysis, since it doesn't fit to his definition of analysis. DCLXVI is dumb because analysis is not synonymous with analyzing by quote usage.
Second, you can continue to call my reasoning shitty. You don't achieve anything except furthering your own agenda, since you continually say stuff is shitty logic without showing how or why it is.
Lastly, sinani wasn't shitting up the thread, YOU were.
I did not push Kenpachi, you moron.
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On November 19 2011 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=] no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield? Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi. Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes. The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =] Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization out of this: (palmar) We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so. And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk. yes, and so did I, because at the end of the day we were not sure if Drazerk was scum based on his behavior.Good god are you not reading? Drazerk makes a good vig shot because his style of play is useless to either alignment. He's scummy because of the things he's done, but he very well could be town because this is how he plays. That's why a lynch on him is a bad idea. Yesterday people I thought were scum were voting Drazerk, so I unvoted Drazerk because that's a suggestion he's not scum. Palmar did the same, he seemed to agree with me. Despite Drazerk not being the best lynch yesterday, he is still a good vig target because his behavior is unlikely to deviate from that of scummy townie/bad scum.
...This isn't a normal game where we only get 1 lynch a day. If it is good to have someone dead, and getting them lynched won't distract the thread too much, why not do it? 2 more votes on Drazerk a bit earlier could have led to him getting lynched instead of Sinani. If he was sitting at 12 near the end of the day along with Sinani, it easily could have been 2 people voting him instead of Sinani.
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On November 19 2011 07:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 02:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 02:11 Lanaia wrote:On November 18 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
I was under the impression Lanaia has played quite a bit on globalgamers (IRC mafia) I recall something about that from PTP2. If I'm wrong, well then I'm sorry I guess.
IRC mafia is not the same as forum mafia. I am a hell of a lot better at IRC mafia than at forum mafia. Also, I'm really sorry if I don't post much within the next... 12 hours (unless the highway is shut down, I'll be working tonight). I hate this feeling I have. I want everyone who is currently active to be town (though that is highly unlikely). Right now, I feel that only one of chaoser and Palmar can be scum (leaning Palmar); however they could technically be both town, but I get the feeling scum would not try to bus day one, am I correct in thinking this? Knowing Palmar, he's already tried to bus his whole team, but Chaoser wouldn't have. If I'm not around tomorrow, keep in mind that starting all this 'people I think are town' during the night is painting targets for the mafia, and Palmar started it. I have a very busy weekend so my contributions will of a lower quality until Monday. Both chaoser and Palmar are well known for bussing their teammates. Palmar is also self-proclaimed to be terrible as scum. Chaoser is not bad at scum IMO but for me it's easy to tell when he is. His hyperaggressiveness in defending himself by continually berating Palmar is a scum defense of his he usually employs. He did it to me and Mig in PYP when I was on his back for being scummy. Finally, use your brain. If Palmar wanted to paint targets for scum he'd do it in their QT. He wouldn't out to the entire thread who he think would make good doc prots. Most of his reads are fine, too. Why would he leave it in the QT? He can distract town from scumhunting, and make sure the mafia reads match up to ones from legitimate townies. As you've noticed, it's also a great way to try and direct the doctors protects, and therefore a great way to ensure all kp hits. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is mafia and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. Sure, he COULD be trying to direct doctors so that scum can all land their hits. But then why would he direct doctors to the most active and productive townies? Do you disagree with his calls? If you disagree with his calls then perhaps there is an agenda. You want the most productive townies to survive. If they are not protected, then scum will shoot them at will. It's optimal for scum to shoot the best townies. Otherwise, they'll be shooting into the pool of players who will have little influence on the lynch tomorrow, which is actually not optimal for them. Unless they have a strong reason to suspect someone is blue, there is no reason to not shoot the townies with the best reads and thread presence. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is town and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around.
So you ignore the rest of my post?
This is why I ignore players like you, cause you don't use your brain and you make my effort worthless.
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On November 19 2011 07:04 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=] no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield? Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi. Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes. The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =] Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization out of this: (palmar) We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so. And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk. yes, and so did I, because at the end of the day we were not sure if Drazerk was scum based on his behavior.Good god are you not reading? Drazerk makes a good vig shot because his style of play is useless to either alignment. He's scummy because of the things he's done, but he very well could be town because this is how he plays. That's why a lynch on him is a bad idea. Yesterday people I thought were scum were voting Drazerk, so I unvoted Drazerk because that's a suggestion he's not scum. Palmar did the same, he seemed to agree with me. Despite Drazerk not being the best lynch yesterday, he is still a good vig target because his behavior is unlikely to deviate from that of scummy townie/bad scum. ...This isn't a normal game where we only get 1 lynch a day. If it is good to have someone dead, and getting them lynched won't distract the thread too much, why not do it? 2 more votes on Drazerk a bit earlier could have led to him getting lynched instead of Sinani. If he was sitting at 12 near the end of the day along with Sinani, it easily could have been 2 people voting him instead of Sinani.
So we should kill everyone indiscriminately then?
Come on, THINK about what you are saying. Drazerk did not make a good lynch because the players we thought were scum were voting him. We don't know what the consequences are of lynching too many people at once. We don't even know what the number "too many" is.
Secondly, think about what distinguishes a vig shot from a lynch. A player like Nisani or Drazerk is best left to a vig shot because they will not contribute much if they are town and we try to lynch them. Just look at Drazerk, he did nothing despite being so close to being lynched. In that case, it's best we focus our lynch powers on other people and have the vigges decide who to kill at night.
We cannot control who the vigilantes shoot, but we can tell them who are decent bets. If we have multiple vigilantes we can't have them all shoot the same person. Thus, we provide them multiple targets to choose from. The best vig target right now is Nisani. Second and third would probably be Drazerk and prpl, or perhaps even chaoser since it is apparent he will not do anything but destroy this thread.
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and pushing for a lynch on such a player DOES distract the thread.
The more people we're forced to lynch in one day the more scum can distract us. That's precisely what happened yesterday, scum used the multiple lynch system to kill sinani instead of allowing us to focus on the real threats who basically got away scot free and left the thread in ruins.
Now I'm trying to fight to get you guys to see this and it's nearly impossible.
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On November 19 2011 06:43 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Palmar and WBG: You both think it is fine if Drazerk gets vigged, but you both unvoted him and we came so close to getting him lynched yesterday. Please explain why you didn't want him lynched, but are fine with him being shot.
aww I was just about to bring this up. Palmer calls Drazerk useless and scummy, says other people can push for that lynch but he won't, and then unvotes him when the lynch seems to be between Drazerk and sinani. Palmer said he wanted 2 lynches yesterday, but when the vote is between a person he suspects(Drazerk) and one he does not(sinani), he unvotes the one he suspects and wanted lynched.
I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town.
I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment.
We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.
##Vote Bumatlarge
##Vote Nisani201
##Vote chaoser
##Vote Lemonwalrus
##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation
of course he found the time to build cases around those other three right? He made a small arguments for lemon and bum that he never pushed, and nothing about nisani. Literally no analysis about him. This leaves me confused as to why he didn't want Drazerk lynched. Before the day ends he offered no reason as to why Drazerk should live over sinani. Even if he thinks that chaoser is a better vote, he cannot just ignore every other lynch candidate. Palmar says that he is fine with either Bum or Drazerk being lynched, but when Drazerk is close to being lynched, Palmar switches his vote.
I'm going to go read up on WBG in regard to Drazerk, not sure about that. By the time this is posted there will be another page or two of spam...
Palmar, WBG, and Chaoser: Please stop shitting all over the thread with your shouting matches.
very much this. A whole page of spam created while I write a post is absurd.
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On November 19 2011 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 07:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 02:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 02:11 Lanaia wrote:On November 18 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
I was under the impression Lanaia has played quite a bit on globalgamers (IRC mafia) I recall something about that from PTP2. If I'm wrong, well then I'm sorry I guess.
IRC mafia is not the same as forum mafia. I am a hell of a lot better at IRC mafia than at forum mafia. Also, I'm really sorry if I don't post much within the next... 12 hours (unless the highway is shut down, I'll be working tonight). I hate this feeling I have. I want everyone who is currently active to be town (though that is highly unlikely). Right now, I feel that only one of chaoser and Palmar can be scum (leaning Palmar); however they could technically be both town, but I get the feeling scum would not try to bus day one, am I correct in thinking this? Knowing Palmar, he's already tried to bus his whole team, but Chaoser wouldn't have. If I'm not around tomorrow, keep in mind that starting all this 'people I think are town' during the night is painting targets for the mafia, and Palmar started it. I have a very busy weekend so my contributions will of a lower quality until Monday. Both chaoser and Palmar are well known for bussing their teammates. Palmar is also self-proclaimed to be terrible as scum. Chaoser is not bad at scum IMO but for me it's easy to tell when he is. His hyperaggressiveness in defending himself by continually berating Palmar is a scum defense of his he usually employs. He did it to me and Mig in PYP when I was on his back for being scummy. Finally, use your brain. If Palmar wanted to paint targets for scum he'd do it in their QT. He wouldn't out to the entire thread who he think would make good doc prots. Most of his reads are fine, too. Why would he leave it in the QT? He can distract town from scumhunting, and make sure the mafia reads match up to ones from legitimate townies. As you've noticed, it's also a great way to try and direct the doctors protects, and therefore a great way to ensure all kp hits. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is mafia and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. Sure, he COULD be trying to direct doctors so that scum can all land their hits. But then why would he direct doctors to the most active and productive townies? Do you disagree with his calls? If you disagree with his calls then perhaps there is an agenda. You want the most productive townies to survive. If they are not protected, then scum will shoot them at will. It's optimal for scum to shoot the best townies. Otherwise, they'll be shooting into the pool of players who will have little influence on the lynch tomorrow, which is actually not optimal for them. Unless they have a strong reason to suspect someone is blue, there is no reason to not shoot the townies with the best reads and thread presence. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is town and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. derp derp derp derp derp? derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp.
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On November 19 2011 07:09 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 07:04 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 19 2011 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=] no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:
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Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi. Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes. The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =] Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization out of this: (palmar) We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so. And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk. yes, and so did I, because at the end of the day we were not sure if Drazerk was scum based on his behavior.Good god are you not reading? Drazerk makes a good vig shot because his style of play is useless to either alignment. He's scummy because of the things he's done, but he very well could be town because this is how he plays. That's why a lynch on him is a bad idea. Yesterday people I thought were scum were voting Drazerk, so I unvoted Drazerk because that's a suggestion he's not scum. Palmar did the same, he seemed to agree with me. Despite Drazerk not being the best lynch yesterday, he is still a good vig target because his behavior is unlikely to deviate from that of scummy townie/bad scum. ...This isn't a normal game where we only get 1 lynch a day. If it is good to have someone dead, and getting them lynched won't distract the thread too much, why not do it? 2 more votes on Drazerk a bit earlier could have led to him getting lynched instead of Sinani. If he was sitting at 12 near the end of the day along with Sinani, it easily could have been 2 people voting him instead of Sinani. So we should kill everyone indiscriminately then? Come on, THINK about what you are saying. Drazerk did not make a good lynch because the players we thought were scum were voting him. We don't know what the consequences are of lynching too many people at once. We don't even know what the number "too many" is. Secondly, think about what distinguishes a vig shot from a lynch. A player like Nisani or Drazerk is best left to a vig shot because they will not contribute much if they are town and we try to lynch them. Just look at Drazerk, he did nothing despite being so close to being lynched. In that case, it's best we focus our lynch powers on other people and have the vigges decide who to kill at night. We cannot control who the vigilantes shoot, but we can tell them who are decent bets. If we have multiple vigilantes we can't have them all shoot the same person. Thus, we provide them multiple targets to choose from. The best vig target right now is Nisani. Second and third would probably be Drazerk and prpl, or perhaps even chaoser since it is apparent he will not do anything but destroy this thread.
You on more than one occasion supported lynching 3 people in one day. Don't use that as your excuse.
We lynch at least two people today, preferably three. We can potentially lynch 3 if we're confident today but I think a double lynch would be best. After Kenpachi was lynched, apparently advocating for 4:
Today, chaoser, nisani, and bum need to die.
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Also, so are WBG + Palmar masons? Is that what's going on here?
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On November 19 2011 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 07:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 02:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 02:11 Lanaia wrote:On November 18 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
I was under the impression Lanaia has played quite a bit on globalgamers (IRC mafia) I recall something about that from PTP2. If I'm wrong, well then I'm sorry I guess.
IRC mafia is not the same as forum mafia. I am a hell of a lot better at IRC mafia than at forum mafia. Also, I'm really sorry if I don't post much within the next... 12 hours (unless the highway is shut down, I'll be working tonight). I hate this feeling I have. I want everyone who is currently active to be town (though that is highly unlikely). Right now, I feel that only one of chaoser and Palmar can be scum (leaning Palmar); however they could technically be both town, but I get the feeling scum would not try to bus day one, am I correct in thinking this? Knowing Palmar, he's already tried to bus his whole team, but Chaoser wouldn't have. If I'm not around tomorrow, keep in mind that starting all this 'people I think are town' during the night is painting targets for the mafia, and Palmar started it. I have a very busy weekend so my contributions will of a lower quality until Monday. Both chaoser and Palmar are well known for bussing their teammates. Palmar is also self-proclaimed to be terrible as scum. Chaoser is not bad at scum IMO but for me it's easy to tell when he is. His hyperaggressiveness in defending himself by continually berating Palmar is a scum defense of his he usually employs. He did it to me and Mig in PYP when I was on his back for being scummy. Finally, use your brain. If Palmar wanted to paint targets for scum he'd do it in their QT. He wouldn't out to the entire thread who he think would make good doc prots. Most of his reads are fine, too. Why would he leave it in the QT? He can distract town from scumhunting, and make sure the mafia reads match up to ones from legitimate townies. As you've noticed, it's also a great way to try and direct the doctors protects, and therefore a great way to ensure all kp hits. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is mafia and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. Sure, he COULD be trying to direct doctors so that scum can all land their hits. But then why would he direct doctors to the most active and productive townies? Do you disagree with his calls? If you disagree with his calls then perhaps there is an agenda. You want the most productive townies to survive. If they are not protected, then scum will shoot them at will. It's optimal for scum to shoot the best townies. Otherwise, they'll be shooting into the pool of players who will have little influence on the lynch tomorrow, which is actually not optimal for them. Unless they have a strong reason to suspect someone is blue, there is no reason to not shoot the townies with the best reads and thread presence. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is town and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. So you ignore the rest of my post? This is why I ignore players like you, cause you don't use your brain and you make my effort worthless.
Your 'effort' was steering the conversation back towards town reads.
I had two options, surrender my town reads so you could make the most of them, or ignore it.
If your scum, that was commendable. If you are town, you need to back down and take a fresh approach.
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On November 19 2011 07:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 07:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 07:04 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 19 2011 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=] no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
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Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes.
The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =] Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:
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Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.
I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town.
I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment.
We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization out of this: (palmar) We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so. And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk. yes, and so did I, because at the end of the day we were not sure if Drazerk was scum based on his behavior.Good god are you not reading? Drazerk makes a good vig shot because his style of play is useless to either alignment. He's scummy because of the things he's done, but he very well could be town because this is how he plays. That's why a lynch on him is a bad idea. Yesterday people I thought were scum were voting Drazerk, so I unvoted Drazerk because that's a suggestion he's not scum. Palmar did the same, he seemed to agree with me. Despite Drazerk not being the best lynch yesterday, he is still a good vig target because his behavior is unlikely to deviate from that of scummy townie/bad scum. ...This isn't a normal game where we only get 1 lynch a day. If it is good to have someone dead, and getting them lynched won't distract the thread too much, why not do it? 2 more votes on Drazerk a bit earlier could have led to him getting lynched instead of Sinani. If he was sitting at 12 near the end of the day along with Sinani, it easily could have been 2 people voting him instead of Sinani. So we should kill everyone indiscriminately then? Come on, THINK about what you are saying. Drazerk did not make a good lynch because the players we thought were scum were voting him. We don't know what the consequences are of lynching too many people at once. We don't even know what the number "too many" is. Secondly, think about what distinguishes a vig shot from a lynch. A player like Nisani or Drazerk is best left to a vig shot because they will not contribute much if they are town and we try to lynch them. Just look at Drazerk, he did nothing despite being so close to being lynched. In that case, it's best we focus our lynch powers on other people and have the vigges decide who to kill at night. We cannot control who the vigilantes shoot, but we can tell them who are decent bets. If we have multiple vigilantes we can't have them all shoot the same person. Thus, we provide them multiple targets to choose from. The best vig target right now is Nisani. Second and third would probably be Drazerk and prpl, or perhaps even chaoser since it is apparent he will not do anything but destroy this thread. You on more than one occasion supported lynching 3 people in one day. Don't use that as your excuse. Show nested quote +We can potentially lynch 3 if we're confident today but I think a double lynch would be best. After Kenpachi was lynched, apparently advocating for 4:
I never realistically expected more than two. I would have been most content with nisani/chaoser dying, because that would have given a lot of information to us about bum and LSB. Nisani was the best lurkerish player to kill too.
And no, it isn't an excuse. It's something I've thought about and I've changed my mind multiple times, as you have seen. Earlier in the day I thought a double lynch was good, then the Lanaia and Kenpachi stuff happened and before I knew it Kenpachi was lynched. At that point I was like okay..well, chaoser and bum/nisani need to die so I guess we'll have to lynch three.
No one listened, of course, so instead the focus was on sinani.
Also for anyone who doesn't know, scum LOVE using sinani as a day 1 scapegoat. I've played four games in which sinani was town, and sinani has died in three of them on day 1. In resurrection, town/scum pushed sinani's lynch day 1 and he died pretty easily for being useless. In MLP mafia, I was scum and my scumbuddy Curu led the lynch on sinani day 1. He died pretty easily again, for being useless. In this game...you get the idea.
On November 19 2011 07:13 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 07:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 02:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 02:11 Lanaia wrote:On November 18 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
I was under the impression Lanaia has played quite a bit on globalgamers (IRC mafia) I recall something about that from PTP2. If I'm wrong, well then I'm sorry I guess.
IRC mafia is not the same as forum mafia. I am a hell of a lot better at IRC mafia than at forum mafia. Also, I'm really sorry if I don't post much within the next... 12 hours (unless the highway is shut down, I'll be working tonight). I hate this feeling I have. I want everyone who is currently active to be town (though that is highly unlikely). Right now, I feel that only one of chaoser and Palmar can be scum (leaning Palmar); however they could technically be both town, but I get the feeling scum would not try to bus day one, am I correct in thinking this? Knowing Palmar, he's already tried to bus his whole team, but Chaoser wouldn't have. If I'm not around tomorrow, keep in mind that starting all this 'people I think are town' during the night is painting targets for the mafia, and Palmar started it. I have a very busy weekend so my contributions will of a lower quality until Monday. Both chaoser and Palmar are well known for bussing their teammates. Palmar is also self-proclaimed to be terrible as scum. Chaoser is not bad at scum IMO but for me it's easy to tell when he is. His hyperaggressiveness in defending himself by continually berating Palmar is a scum defense of his he usually employs. He did it to me and Mig in PYP when I was on his back for being scummy. Finally, use your brain. If Palmar wanted to paint targets for scum he'd do it in their QT. He wouldn't out to the entire thread who he think would make good doc prots. Most of his reads are fine, too. Why would he leave it in the QT? He can distract town from scumhunting, and make sure the mafia reads match up to ones from legitimate townies. As you've noticed, it's also a great way to try and direct the doctors protects, and therefore a great way to ensure all kp hits. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is mafia and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. Sure, he COULD be trying to direct doctors so that scum can all land their hits. But then why would he direct doctors to the most active and productive townies? Do you disagree with his calls? If you disagree with his calls then perhaps there is an agenda. You want the most productive townies to survive. If they are not protected, then scum will shoot them at will. It's optimal for scum to shoot the best townies. Otherwise, they'll be shooting into the pool of players who will have little influence on the lynch tomorrow, which is actually not optimal for them. Unless they have a strong reason to suspect someone is blue, there is no reason to not shoot the townies with the best reads and thread presence. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is town and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. derp derp derp derp derp? derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp. STFU
you gonna do something this game, Coag?
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