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On November 19 2011 07:22 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 07:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 02:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 19 2011 02:11 Lanaia wrote:On November 18 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
I was under the impression Lanaia has played quite a bit on globalgamers (IRC mafia) I recall something about that from PTP2. If I'm wrong, well then I'm sorry I guess.
IRC mafia is not the same as forum mafia. I am a hell of a lot better at IRC mafia than at forum mafia. Also, I'm really sorry if I don't post much within the next... 12 hours (unless the highway is shut down, I'll be working tonight). I hate this feeling I have. I want everyone who is currently active to be town (though that is highly unlikely). Right now, I feel that only one of chaoser and Palmar can be scum (leaning Palmar); however they could technically be both town, but I get the feeling scum would not try to bus day one, am I correct in thinking this? Knowing Palmar, he's already tried to bus his whole team, but Chaoser wouldn't have. If I'm not around tomorrow, keep in mind that starting all this 'people I think are town' during the night is painting targets for the mafia, and Palmar started it. I have a very busy weekend so my contributions will of a lower quality until Monday. Both chaoser and Palmar are well known for bussing their teammates. Palmar is also self-proclaimed to be terrible as scum. Chaoser is not bad at scum IMO but for me it's easy to tell when he is. His hyperaggressiveness in defending himself by continually berating Palmar is a scum defense of his he usually employs. He did it to me and Mig in PYP when I was on his back for being scummy. Finally, use your brain. If Palmar wanted to paint targets for scum he'd do it in their QT. He wouldn't out to the entire thread who he think would make good doc prots. Most of his reads are fine, too. Why would he leave it in the QT? He can distract town from scumhunting, and make sure the mafia reads match up to ones from legitimate townies. As you've noticed, it's also a great way to try and direct the doctors protects, and therefore a great way to ensure all kp hits. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is mafia and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. Sure, he COULD be trying to direct doctors so that scum can all land their hits. But then why would he direct doctors to the most active and productive townies? Do you disagree with his calls? If you disagree with his calls then perhaps there is an agenda. You want the most productive townies to survive. If they are not protected, then scum will shoot them at will. It's optimal for scum to shoot the best townies. Otherwise, they'll be shooting into the pool of players who will have little influence on the lynch tomorrow, which is actually not optimal for them. Unless they have a strong reason to suspect someone is blue, there is no reason to not shoot the townies with the best reads and thread presence. omg... this is almost not worth responding to. At this point in the game, you are making an assumption that Palmar is town and then trying to fit his behavior to that assumption. Your logic is terrible. You should try doing the other way around. So you ignore the rest of my post? This is why I ignore players like you, cause you don't use your brain and you make my effort worthless. Your 'effort' was steering the conversation back towards town reads. I had two options, surrender my town reads so you could make the most of them, or ignore it. If your scum, that was commendable. If you are town, you need to back down and take a fresh approach.
Lol.
My effort was not aimed at doing that, it was actually at showing why listing doctor protects is not necessarily a scummy thing to do.
I don't agree with listing people you think are town, that's why I don't often do it. I only do it when people think someone is scum when I strongly believe they are not. So in this regard I disagree with the people listing townies, (like Palmar) because it's WIFOM if they live or not.
Also your false dichotomy is funny. There were many more options than that, one of which was using your brain and realizing I wasn't asking anything of you.
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also, my current frustration stems from people not reading the thread.
I realize I am getting a bit rude, so I'm going to back off this thread for a while.
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Once again, let's establish something. I've been flip-flopping on Drazerk's alignment. This is not a scumtell. In fact I would like to point out that Scum already know everyone's alignment, so it's an unnecessary act for scum to try and do something like this.
@DCLXVI: I wanted to lynch chaoser, but after re-reading Drazerk's posts I decided that his cocky and arrogant attitude was probably not scum, and lynching him would be a worthless affair. Notice that I do have preference on how to get rid of targets, and Drazerk isn't a terrible vigilante shot, because he has refused to contribute.
I'd actually prefer a lynch being between myself and chaoser, or something in that direction, than one being between sinani206 and Drazerk, because neither suspect will actually provide anything worth reading to the game.
I mean, it's obvious after this night that half of town really isn't reading the thread with the critical mindset I would be hoping they are. But assuming no one does anything stupid, this can be remedied tomorrow.
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On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=] no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield? Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi. Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes. The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =] Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization out of this: (palmar) We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me  Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so.
I think you missed the point of my post. chaoser questions where Palmer's promised analysis on Drazerk is. You claim that Drazerk did analyse him, but the only 'analysis' of Drazerk AFTER Palmar promised to do so was:
Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.
I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia?
To me this is not detailed analysis. To sway the town to vote for someone you suspect you should build an argument that is more than just laughing off the player. List all of the examples of poor play, give reasons as to why his play is poor. Would you honestly accept me saying something on the order of: "WBG has made some pretty scummy plays including spamming up the thread by arguing with chaoser", including several other posts with nothing relevant, as analysis?
although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk
chaoser brought up the point that Palmar did not follow through with what he said he would do. Stop trying to make this about chaoser's analysis, I am talking about Palmar's lack of one.
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It's getting really hard staying polite this game.
@DCLXVI: I don't even know what you'e talking about. I never claimed I was going to write an analysis on Drazerk, I even think I specifically stated that I didn't have the time to do so.
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On November 19 2011 07:43 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it. although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died) Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=] no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield? Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi. Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes. The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town. So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic? says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic. In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =] Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we? ....................................... On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:Oh and also: Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser. On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now (He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later) On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. (He still doesn't do it) ##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation (Unvotes the guy?) If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc (But then wants to shoot him?) Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads. (Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?) I is confused What? Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk... I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic. Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later. Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser. "All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy" I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg) Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization out of this: (palmar) We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so. I think you missed the point of my post. chaoser questions where Palmer's promised analysis on Drazerk is. You claim that Drazerk did analyse him, but the only 'analysis' of Drazerk AFTER Palmar promised to do so was: Show nested quote +Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.
I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? To me this is not detailed analysis. To sway the town to vote for someone you suspect you should build an argument that is more than just laughing off the player. List all of the examples of poor play, give reasons as to why his play is poor. Would you honestly accept me saying something on the order of: "WBG has made some pretty scummy plays including spamming up the thread by arguing with chaoser", including several other posts with nothing relevant, as analysis? chaoser brought up the point that Palmar did not follow through with what he said he would do. Stop trying to make this about chaoser's analysis, I am talking about Palmar's lack of one.
you. are. not. reading. the. thread. I. cannot. believe. this. is. so. difficult.
On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now
On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town. I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment. We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.
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Your taking his words out of context there
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Neither are you wherebugsgo:
I'll help you guys, if you actually read the thread, instead of just clicking filter and pull shit out of context, here's the post in question:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12308262
It is written as a reply to Drazerk's post, 2 posts up:
On November 17 2011 07:55 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 07:52 Palmar wrote:
I don't think Kenpachi will be missed anyway, he's completely useless as either side. While you are here Palmar you still haven't answered this Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 06:51 hyshes wrote:On November 16 2011 21:37 Palmar wrote:
okay, prplhz, tyrran and chaoser I'll do. any reason why you didn't do tyrran?
to which I reply:
On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now
Talk about trying to fabricate cases, if you're gonna accuse someone of something, at least have the decency to read his posts.
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On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so.
And yet you posted this where you tried to claim that he DID do analysis
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Everytime I come into this thread to catch up and play some mafia Im super pumped and ready to analyse.
Then I get halfway through this giant clusterfuck of a pissing contest and pretty much give up trying to follow this shit.
Did I really just read fucking 20 pages of
"but you said"
"no you said"
"no you said"
"no you said"
"no you"
"no you"
"newb"
"no you"
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So the post that says "I forgot Drazerk, will do no"
Is about me telling Drazerk I forgot to do the case on tyrran (which I then forgot again and only delivered a bit later).
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On November 19 2011 08:11 Palmar wrote:Neither are you wherebugsgo: I'll help you guys, if you actually read the thread, instead of just clicking filter and pull shit out of context, here's the post in question: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12308262It is written as a reply to Drazerk's post, 2 posts up: Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 07:55 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 07:52 Palmar wrote:
I don't think Kenpachi will be missed anyway, he's completely useless as either side. While you are here Palmar you still haven't answered this On November 17 2011 06:51 hyshes wrote:On November 16 2011 21:37 Palmar wrote:
okay, prplhz, tyrran and chaoser I'll do. any reason why you didn't do tyrran? to which I reply: Talk about trying to fabricate cases, if you're gonna accuse someone of something, at least have the decency to read his posts.
Yeah I just notice that, my bad for using filter only. Plus dude, punctuation helps! "I forgot, Drazerk. Will do now"
That, however, doesn't change the fact the WBG tried to say you did do analysis when you didn't
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On November 19 2011 08:12 Coagulation wrote:
Everytime I come into this thread to catch up and play some mafia Im super pumped and ready to analyse.
Then I get halfway through this giant clusterfuck of a pissing contest and pretty much give up trying to follow this shit.
Did I really just read fucking 20 pages of
"but you said"
"no you said"
"no you said"
"no you said"
"no you"
"no you"
"newb"
"no you"
If I've been keeping track of it correctly, yes.
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And where the fuck is lemonwalrus?
Hes like the only one in the game that I wanted to even play with and hes not even posting.
FML I hate you all.
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I'd actually prefer a lynch being between myself and chaoser, or something in that direction, than one being between sinani206 and Drazerk, because neither suspect will actually provide anything worth reading to the game. '
I'm down with that.
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I'm reading the thread, I probably just wasn't clear enough.
The confusion is apparently stemming from the fact that Palmar was responding to Drazerk about him writing a case on Tyrran, and chaoser quote mining Palmar to make it look as if Palmar was promising an analysis on Drazerk.
I actually didn't realize that myself, that's why I was like wtf ofc Palmar provided analysis on Drazerk. I didn't think very much about whether Palmar promised anything or not (I didn't remember him promising analysis on Drazerk, anyway)
So, lesson learned: don't listen to chaoser.
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On November 19 2011 08:12 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible. On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town Erm wait a second... XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse WaW2 - LOL AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win. Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad? How does that benefit town? On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him. Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this. I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so. And yet you posted this where you tried to claim that he DID do analysis
He did!
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lol, quote mining...sure. Anyone reading the filter, especially with ctrl+f "Drazerk" would see it as him saying "I forgot drazerk('s case), will do" as he's going to do a case analyse on drazerk.
What's more interesting is that you decided you had to defend his non-existent analysis by forcing his posts to look like they were analysis to try to dispute the idea that he didn't do any analysis. I wonder what that says?
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I wasn't concerned with him promising analysis of Drazerk and not delivering it because I never recalled him promising anything other than analysis of Tyrran. You are the one who misconstrued that and this entire mess comes down to you quote mining Palmar. You were even caught doing it.
If the question was, did Palmar do analysis of Drazerk the answer is yes, and always will be. That's all I was ever concerned with because your entire argument was that Palmar was a hypocrite for focusing entirely on you and ignoring everyone else for your lynch, when I don't think that was the case.
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