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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
After reading, I am definetly buying the WBG and Palmar side of whatever they are arguing about (sometimes I can't really tell), and chaoser looks much scummier for the distraction he is causing. I say distraction because I ultimately do not find him as scummy as other individuals such as drazerk, who is fitting the envelope fairly well, and prplhz, who I'm still getting red from. Other individuals who strike me are kibbibit, lemonwalrus and DCL. I will be focusing on them tomorrow. If I'm dead, one of them for sure is scum. Also, I started the kenpachi vote, twas no wagon. If I was present, I would have tried to switch it to lanaia, because that gives much better information when we need to lynch one of the two. It's inconsequential now, unless lanaia is all of a sudden a really clever scum player. Sinani was not a good lynch, and his death did little other then start some other randoms on little scuhunting adventures based on voting patterns day 1. Best of luck to those endeavors. Filtering LSBs posts, his palmar analysis is probably the strongest against palmar, and even there we can see alot of flaws that I feel palmar rebuked well. But certain points are viable. The "no true scotsman" does apply to palmar more then others, but from what I can remember, it delves into the pride of a player. If every player posted without some self-conciousness, you could make the arguement, but proving things wrong and then doing them yourselves is not a scumtell, it's a lapse of humility and aim of the game. Pride makes you point things out just for the sake of doing it. What you pointed out as palmar being hypocritical, I see as an insignificant hole that a good player falls in. The fact that this was a bulk or your arguement made me dismiss it more. The forced analysis is applicable though, and LSB's analysis on palmar does not feel forced, where as just about everything on chaoser's does. Meta is too fickle. A towny will intentionally try to get out of a mold if people peg him too much on it. It may be disruptive to the goal of the game, but I think its a process we use to become well-rounded in mafia discussion. Palmar is more likely mafia then LSB, but chaoser is more likely mafia than palmar. That being said, I really have no confidence in what chaoser will flip. I may be convinced tomorrow, but I I would only lynch chaoser at this point just for the sake of seeing what color his blood is. I'd advise the Chaoser/WBG/Palmar arena to take a hiatus and discuss what we can do with the others. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
##Vote: prphlz ##Vote: Drazerk Why is drazerk voting lanaia. This is past the point of bad reasoning, I can't see him doing this as town. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I don't mind a double Palmar Chaoser lynch. Here, I'll start. I think he's mafia. I know I'm town. I don't mind a 1 for 1 trade here. Let's go! ##vote: Chaoser ##vote: Palmar (yes I know my vote on myself doesn't count, it's symbolic) oh, and also ##vote: Drazerk | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 19 2011 12:06 bumatlarge wrote: Fuck my timing, pretend that post was before night. ##Vote: prphlz ##Vote: Drazerk Why is drazerk voting lanaia. This is past the point of bad reasoning, I can't see him doing this as town. He DID protect a mafia member and then protected a claimed bulletproof third party in LOTR if that's worth anything about how bad his reasoning can be. He made great endgame medic calls though. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On November 19 2011 12:09 chaoser wrote: Bum, you really think Palmar's "I think chaoser is 90% scum but I don't want him shot, I want him checked" makes sense? Not taking into account godfather or even a framer if I was mafia would be silly. If he really thought I was mafia and knew he was going to push for my lynch today like he said he would, why would he ask for someone to check me? That's a wasted check since he'd hope that I'd be lynched today by him. I don't mind a double Palmar Chaoser lynch. Here, I'll start. I think he's mafia. I know I'm town. I don't mind a 1 for 1 trade here. Let's go! ##vote: Chaoser ##vote: Palmar (yes I know my vote on myself doesn't count, it's symbolic) oh, and also ##vote: Drazerk You would rather be shot? I feel like palmar is respecting you as a good player asking not to get shot. If a DT came out and said he got a town check on you. I don't see why he would say that as mafia. Percentages and blue instruction are generally uselessly fluffy, but it gets a point across. If that's your biggest scumtell for palmar, that sorry to break it to you, he aint scum. Lynching both you and palmar at this point is stupid. There is no reason to do that, swallow your pride, and find the 4 other scum. No one needs you to martyr yourself here. I'll be around tomorrow giving my verdicts on some dudes. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On November 19 2011 12:16 bumatlarge wrote: You would rather be shot? I feel like palmar is respecting you as a good player asking not to get shot. If a DT came out and said he got a town check on you, that would be massive, and worth a DT claim in my eyes (if I were to disregard fakeclaims). I don't see why he would say that as mafia. Percentages and blue instruction are generally uselessly fluffy, but it gets a point across. If that's your biggest scumtell for palmar, that sorry to break it to you, he aint scum. Lynching both you and palmar at this point is stupid. There is no reason to do that, swallow your pride, and find the 4 other scum. No one needs you to martyr yourself here. I'll be around tomorrow giving my verdicts on some dudes. EBWOP | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Also Drazerk you aren't making much sense either, though that is considerably less surprising. ##vote chaoser ##vote Nisani201 | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
wasnt LSB taking bets that he would be killed night 1? Should probably go back and see who responded to that and how. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On November 19 2011 06:43 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Palmar, WBG, and Chaoser: Please stop shitting all over the thread with your shouting matches. This is one quote I am fully behind. ALSO can we stop mentioning games that aren't this game? I kind of fail to see how it is relevant given the game will never be the same, even if the same people are in it (not the case here), same roles (not the case), and everyone is the same alignment as last time (unlikely as we don't have the same people). Also: On November 19 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: Why are you reading the filter when you need to be reading the thread and applying context in order to legitimately find scum? The filter is fine, but whenever you find something you have to read the context the quote is said in. I do not disagree with Palmar's uh, what's the word... approach to scum hunting here. Also, I'm really starting to get pissed off with people just quoting and saying shit like "k" or "lol." Or even not quoting and just saying that stuff. It's NOT productive in the slightest AND contributes to the fact we are at page 66 already. Don't complain about the amount of pages if you are one of the people who contributed to it in such a way as I just mentioned. Also, just saw that LSB died. I was not expecting that, to be honest (however I have no idea who I would have expected in the first place). Now, I don't understand why Drazerk is voting me, and I'm not fully sure I want to understand why he's voting me. Again, as with yesterday, I still believe Drazerk to be scum. ##vote: Drazerk I think I'm going to have to reread the thread for anything else, though. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 19 2011 12:16 bumatlarge wrote: You would rather be shot? I feel like palmar is respecting you as a good player asking not to get shot. If a DT came out and said he got a town check on you. I don't see why he would say that as mafia. Percentages and blue instruction are generally uselessly fluffy, but it gets a point across. If that's your biggest scumtell for palmar, that sorry to break it to you, he aint scum. Lynching both you and palmar at this point is stupid. There is no reason to do that, swallow your pride, and find the 4 other scum. No one needs you to martyr yourself here. I'll be around tomorrow giving my verdicts on some dudes. My biggest scumtell on him isn't the fact that he doesn't want to shoot me. It's the fact that he, like LSB pointed out, built a case on me out of nothing. Palmar even admitted that it was mostly based on him thinking I wasn't playing "good enough". I assume he means I'm not playing how I usually play to which I'll c/p a GM quote about meta. On November 19 2011 00:16 GMarshal wrote: I disagree. Meta just keeps getting misused. proof: 1.) foolishness' analysis of you 2.) My analysis of wiggles Meta is a really useful tool, the issue is people keep using "he is playing differently" rather than explaining how that reflects a change in the mentality of the player that can only be explained by a shift in alignment. Meta is a tool to be used in analysis, its not something that by itself is enough to incriminate someone. This added in with his selective reasoning for wanting certain people lynched while not others (kenpachi is bad, he's probably mafia, lynch him. sinani is bad, but he's town, don't lynch him), his schizophrenia stance for Drazerk, his tunneling on me at this point, followed by his weird (I respect you, so I want you to get a trial and not get shot) stance all make me think he's scummy. I've looked over several of his older games and not once did I find a situation where he didn't shoot or ask someone else to shoot someone he found scummy. Even people he has come out to say he's "respected" In PYPI he was part of the group that shot me and cyber In XLIV he was all over Brownbear and when he didn't get lynched he called for a shot that night On August 21 2011 23:28 Palmar wrote: Vigi list: 1. BrownBear 2. BrownBear 3. Chaos13 4. DropBear 5. RayzorFlash 6. Mig 7. Any lurker you fancy. In some other games like XLV and Some Mafia Game he also advocated shooting the person he had pushed all day (though in those games he was on the mafia team) In all those games they were all active players and not lurking that he wanted to shoot. He had pushed for their lynch all day and at the end called for a shot. So I don't see why in those instances he's for shooting people he finds scummy while here he's giving me some sort of "special privilege". | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Lynching both you and palmar at this point is stupid. There is no reason to do that, swallow your pride, and find the 4 other scum. No one needs you to martyr yourself here. I'll be around tomorrow giving my verdicts on some dudes. At this point though I do agree with what you said here so I'm going to go look at other players. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On November 19 2011 13:08 Palmar wrote: I got hit. I would start looking at people who voted him.. Anyone wanna counter claim? if not this Sounds legit. I would also like to make a public request that day two we dont shit up the thread with trivial bullshit and egotistical fuckery. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:54 Lemonwalrus wrote: ##Unvote: Lanaia She made a mistake, but I don't think it was a scum mistake. And besides, I'd like to see Kenpachi's flip before we decide what to do with her. ##Vote: Palmar He has been pushing a moronic case against chaoser since the beginning and most of you are eating it up. When the Lanaia/kenpachi thing came up, he threw his vote their way haphazardly, my guess because they are both town (although I still have some hope that KP was scum) and he just wants to make more town lynches day 1. All the while he has been pushing this chaoser lynch as a sure thing. If we lynch chaoser and he flips green or blue, I want palmar dead the next day for sure. He wants chaoser dead because as he said himself chaoser is a good player for town. He has built a case against him on LAL so he can hide behind policy when he is proven wrong about chaoser when chaoser flips. ##Vote: bumatlarge Be the batman that this steamship deserves. as stated earlier. Need to look at people who voted him so here we go FOS on sourtusks | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
On November 19 2011 13:18 Coagulation wrote: I would start looking at people who voted him.. Anyone wanna counter claim? if not this Sounds legit. I would also like to make a public request that day two we dont shit up the thread with trivial bullshit and egotistical fuckery. ...Counterclaim what? We don't know scum KP. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 19 2011 13:23 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: ...Counterclaim what? We don't know scum KP. I doubt in a game with 21 townies and 5 mafia, mafia would only get 1 KP though... | ||
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