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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:20 GMT
#1241
On November 19 2011 06:09 chaoser wrote:
yawn, really WBG, you're pretty bad as mafia.


okay.

You can call me bad if you'd like, but it doesn't really further your argument.

On November 19 2011 06:13 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 19 2011 05:55 Nisani201 wrote:
Why are you calling for a vig shot on me when you just said in your last post that it's better to get lynched so we can get discussion?


I read this post and laughed. I'll respond to it, I guess.

No one cares if you get lynched. You're also mountains of useless as town, so honestly if we try pushing your lynch and you don't contribute to finding scum then we still don't know your alignment.

Chaoser is the opposite. People will care if we start pushing his lynch, and as town he is useful. Thus, if he actually is town he will hopefully contribute to us finding scum. If chaoser is scum we'll get good reactions out of other scum too.

If you're scum, you're easy as hell to bus. If I were scum, for example, I'd bus the fuck out of you as soon as you had suspicion. You're more of a liability to your team than a benefit. That makes you a better vig target than a lynch target, since the discussion created in your wake will be completely useless.

So you're saying I should be vigged instead of a lurker?

loooool


Oh, right, now I remember why I stopped bothering to respond to you.

I guess you're ignored again.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 18 2011 21:21 GMT
#1242
On November 19 2011 06:13 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 19 2011 05:55 Nisani201 wrote:
Why are you calling for a vig shot on me when you just said in your last post that it's better to get lynched so we can get discussion?


I read this post and laughed. I'll respond to it, I guess.

No one cares if you get lynched. You're also mountains of useless as town, so honestly if we try pushing your lynch and you don't contribute to finding scum then we still don't know your alignment.

Chaoser is the opposite. People will care if we start pushing his lynch, and as town he is useful. Thus, if he actually is town he will hopefully contribute to us finding scum. If chaoser is scum we'll get good reactions out of other scum too.

If you're scum, you're easy as hell to bus. If I were scum, for example, I'd bus the fuck out of you as soon as you had suspicion. You're more of a liability to your team than a benefit. That makes you a better vig target than a lynch target, since the discussion created in your wake will be completely useless.

So you're saying I should be vigged instead of a lurker?

loooool


It's pretty easy to lynch lurkers this game.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 18 2011 21:21 GMT
#1243
XLIV. Town vig didn't shoot Mig, we got a lot of discussion on day 2 that painted Foolish as sure-town and I used the reactions in the thread to suspect BB/bumatlarge, whom I later correctly accused of being scum.


So you're saying in that instance, the town vigi didn't shoot mig even though he knew mig was mafia? If I remember that game the only two vigi's were quicksilver (shot night 1) and Kurumi (he decided to kill the person he thought was mafia, Palmar

On August 25 2011 10:59 Kurumi wrote:
Palmar was shot instead of supersoft. If he is not dead I was roleblocked.

Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 18 2011 21:23 GMT
#1244
Remember, you're saying that in this instance Palmar's logic of me being 90% mafia in his head, but it being ok to just check me instead of shooting me, not even taking into account that perhaps I'm godfather and then you're ever more fucked, is good because it's a conscious decision to use me as "bait" to implicate my other mafia members via discussion.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:26 GMT
#1245
On November 19 2011 06:21 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
XLIV. Town vig didn't shoot Mig, we got a lot of discussion on day 2 that painted Foolish as sure-town and I used the reactions in the thread to suspect BB/bumatlarge, whom I later correctly accused of being scum.


So you're saying in that instance, the town vigi didn't shoot mig even though he knew mig was mafia? If I remember that game the only two vigi's were quicksilver (shot night 1) and Kurumi (he decided to kill the person he thought was mafia, Palmar

Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 10:59 Kurumi wrote:
Palmar was shot instead of supersoft. If he is not dead I was roleblocked.



In that case IIRC we were pretty lost, there were only a couple potential targets before day 3. In that case if there's only two people who you think are scum of course you're going to shoot one.

Not very often do you get a game like this where there are at least four people you think are scum. Hell, the vigilantes might not even be able to shoot night 1, this entire discussion could be pointless. But, since I think you/nisani/LSB/bum are probably scum, it's best if a vigilante shoots nisani. prpl and Drazerk wouldn't be bad vig shots either but nisani is the best.


chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 18 2011 21:26 GMT
#1246
Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield?


Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:27 GMT
#1247
On November 19 2011 06:23 chaoser wrote:
Remember, you're saying that in this instance Palmar's logic of me being 90% mafia in his head, but it being ok to just check me instead of shooting me, not even taking into account that perhaps I'm godfather and then you're ever more fucked, is good because it's a conscious decision to use me as "bait" to implicate my other mafia members via discussion.


Alright, I'm going to put this very bluntly for you.

If you are somehow town, stop thinking out of your ass and start doing some actual scumhunting.

Thank you.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 18 2011 21:29 GMT
#1248
On November 19 2011 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:21 chaoser wrote:
XLIV. Town vig didn't shoot Mig, we got a lot of discussion on day 2 that painted Foolish as sure-town and I used the reactions in the thread to suspect BB/bumatlarge, whom I later correctly accused of being scum.


So you're saying in that instance, the town vigi didn't shoot mig even though he knew mig was mafia? If I remember that game the only two vigi's were quicksilver (shot night 1) and Kurumi (he decided to kill the person he thought was mafia, Palmar

On August 25 2011 10:59 Kurumi wrote:
Palmar was shot instead of supersoft. If he is not dead I was roleblocked.



In that case IIRC we were pretty lost, there were only a couple potential targets before day 3. In that case if there's only two people who you think are scum of course you're going to shoot one.

Not very often do you get a game like this where there are at least four people you think are scum. Hell, the vigilantes might not even be able to shoot night 1, this entire discussion could be pointless. But, since I think you/nisani/LSB/bum are probably scum, it's best if a vigilante shoots nisani. prpl and Drazerk wouldn't be bad vig shots either but nisani is the best.


I was part of that game you know. You just tried to paint the town not shooting Mig as an action done on purpose which led to BB/bumatlarge suspicions when it wasn't. When it wasn't. Nice going.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:29 GMT
#1249
On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield?


Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi.


Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes.

The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:29 GMT
#1250
On November 19 2011 06:29 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:21 chaoser wrote:
XLIV. Town vig didn't shoot Mig, we got a lot of discussion on day 2 that painted Foolish as sure-town and I used the reactions in the thread to suspect BB/bumatlarge, whom I later correctly accused of being scum.


So you're saying in that instance, the town vigi didn't shoot mig even though he knew mig was mafia? If I remember that game the only two vigi's were quicksilver (shot night 1) and Kurumi (he decided to kill the person he thought was mafia, Palmar

On August 25 2011 10:59 Kurumi wrote:
Palmar was shot instead of supersoft. If he is not dead I was roleblocked.



In that case IIRC we were pretty lost, there were only a couple potential targets before day 3. In that case if there's only two people who you think are scum of course you're going to shoot one.

Not very often do you get a game like this where there are at least four people you think are scum. Hell, the vigilantes might not even be able to shoot night 1, this entire discussion could be pointless. But, since I think you/nisani/LSB/bum are probably scum, it's best if a vigilante shoots nisani. prpl and Drazerk wouldn't be bad vig shots either but nisani is the best.


I was part of that game you know. You just tried to paint the town not shooting Mig as an action done on purpose which led to BB/bumatlarge suspicions when it wasn't. When it wasn't. Nice going.


I didn't say it was on purpose, I just said no vig shot BB/bum.

jesus christ, you're so thick.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 18 2011 21:30 GMT
#1251
On November 19 2011 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:23 chaoser wrote:
Remember, you're saying that in this instance Palmar's logic of me being 90% mafia in his head, but it being ok to just check me instead of shooting me, not even taking into account that perhaps I'm godfather and then you're ever more fucked, is good because it's a conscious decision to use me as "bait" to implicate my other mafia members via discussion.


Alright, I'm going to put this very bluntly for you.

If you are somehow town, stop thinking out of your ass and start doing some actual scumhunting.

Thank you.


Why, I AM doing scumhunting =] you and Palmar =]

BTW, regardless of if town lynches me or not, you are TWO going to be lynched.

I don't die, I will push your asses to be lynched to the wall
I die, I flip green, your asses will be pushed to the wall to be lynched
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:31 GMT
#1252
vigilantes, go ahead and shoot chaoser/nisani.

It's clear chaoser doesn't want to play, so even if he's somehow town I don't think anyone gives a shit if he dies.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 18 2011 21:31 GMT
#1253
On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:
Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield?


Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi.


Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes.

The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town.


So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:32 GMT
#1254
On November 19 2011 06:30 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:23 chaoser wrote:
Remember, you're saying that in this instance Palmar's logic of me being 90% mafia in his head, but it being ok to just check me instead of shooting me, not even taking into account that perhaps I'm godfather and then you're ever more fucked, is good because it's a conscious decision to use me as "bait" to implicate my other mafia members via discussion.


Alright, I'm going to put this very bluntly for you.

If you are somehow town, stop thinking out of your ass and start doing some actual scumhunting.

Thank you.


Why, I AM doing scumhunting =] you and Palmar =]

BTW, regardless of if town lynches me or not, you are TWO going to be lynched.

I don't die, I will push your asses to be lynched to the wall
I die, I flip green, your asses will be pushed to the wall to be lynched


I don't feel threatened by someone as dumb as you, sorry.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:32 GMT
#1255
On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:
Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield?


Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi.


Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes.

The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town.


So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic?


says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 18 2011 21:33 GMT
#1256
I mean really what can you expect, I'm not an encyclopedia of past games when I've only played like 6.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 18 2011 21:34 GMT
#1257
really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it.

although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died)


Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=]
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 18 2011 21:38 GMT
#1258
On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:
Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield?


Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi.


Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes.

The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town.


So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic?


says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic.



In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =]
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
November 18 2011 21:39 GMT
#1259
On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we?

.......................................



Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:
Oh and also:

Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.

However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.


On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now


(He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later)

On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:
On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him.


Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.

I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town.

I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment.

We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.


(He still doesn't do it)

##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation


(Unvotes the guy?)

If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.

Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc


(But then wants to shoot him?)

Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.

In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads.


(Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?)

I is confused


What?

Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk...

I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic.

Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later.

Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser.


"All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy"

I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg)
Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization


out of this: (palmar)
We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.
I can already see the ending
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 18 2011 21:43 GMT
#1260
Palmar and WBG: You both think it is fine if Drazerk gets vigged, but you both unvoted him and we came so close to getting him lynched yesterday. Please explain why you didn't want him lynched, but are fine with him being shot.

Palmar, WBG, and Chaoser: Please stop shitting all over the thread with your shouting matches.
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