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On November 07 2011 08:31 IMABUNNEH wrote:
3 for Drem, 3 for Toad, and a random vote from Harbinger on xsxksdkds.
How many people haven't voted? And I implore Harbinger to pick either one of them. I think voting Toad gives us far more information than voting Drem, but if we sit around with a no-lynch again we're going to be in trouble. Still waiting for an explanation to the xkskskcxkfd vote as well. At the moment it just looks like you're deliberately blocking a lynch for one reason or another.
I think you're totally wrong here to be honest. A lynch on me gives us ZERO information if I flip green.
If I flip red it's obviously awesome for you as everyone flipping red would be. However if I flip green you just can't say "well let's target everyone who target toad" because pretty much everyone here once thought I'm mafia although most people stopped thinking that way after day1. The only reason people still want to lynch me is because of that vote mafia kill on risk and that lynch on hyshes.
Let's be honest. We ALL thought that risk kill was weird and noone knew why they went for him so I am fine the reasoning behind it to try and get town back on me again. It's a towniekill + town is back on me. Everyone else would be just a townie kill. Therefore risk was the best possible kill for them at that point in time if you believe I am green.
If you believe I am red mafia played stupid and would be better off killing someone like cyri or harb imo.
And well that hyshes lynch was just weird. I can't blame ANYONE for going after hyshes after what he did and I still hope you don't blame me for going after him as well.
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As for my vote, as the strikethrough indicates my girlfriend returned in the middle writing that post, so it was less than complete. The short version of my case on him is: has contributed rather little to the discussions, has made a good number of filler type posts to appear. Votes Skrammen after calling out only Toad and Zanfada for suspicion day 1, trying to blend in? Or did he somehow have a change of heart? Loves mentioning time-zone difficulties as often as possible. Basically nobody has accused him, where any one else lurking that I have suspicion of has been called out for lurking by multiple people. It's easier to slip by if 2 other people want you to be able to slip by.
As mentioned earlier, I have no intentions of blocking a lynch, but I figured maybe my vote alone would be enough to make xsksc talk a bit more which was better than nothing.
Brief explanation of Drem vote: He's been playing the newbie card really hard all game. Granted this is a newbie game, but his 'mistakes' have always had the effect of helping out scum, whether it be blocking a lynch, or spreading misinformation regarding the town/mafia balance. He also originally says he doesn't have a good reason as to why he didn't vote Skrammen, then later says he didn't because he was worried a mis-lynch would have been much worse for town than a no-lynch was. Why would he go back and change his mind on this?
Why I don't really like the lynch on him and would much prefer xsksc, Chocolate, or Skrammen: As I mentioned earlier, everyone seems to be fine with this guy dying. Either he is being set up for a bussing, or he is clean.
Sorry I've been rather busy the last ~40 hours or so and my approach to this lynch have been more half-assed than I would like, sometimes real life happens, even to us nerds.
##Unvote xsksc
##Vote Drem903
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@Toad
I think I wasn't a large enough threat day 1, as I had a bit of suspicion thrown on me as well. Ciry was a decent target, but they couldn't know if there was a medic and he was the only one that it made sense to protect. Day 2 I'd be willing to guess that they did try for one of us and our medic blocked it. Also if you flip red I'd be guessing plenty of people would be much more open to going after me considering I've defended you as being town in my opinion. Your reads since day 2 just line up too well with mine for me to think you are actually scum, so if you get lynched and somehow flip red, I'll be as surprised as Sermokala will be if you flip green.
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Oh just something that came to my mind as well: Consider mafia is probably aware of their situation. If you guys lynch a townie you on lylo the next day and about to lose the game.
Mafia is probably trying to get us lynch a townie right now. Now look at those people who we believe are most likely town and those who are somewhere inbetween or on peoples mafia top-5 list.
People like harb are voting for drem, while those people who are an issue right now are voting for me. Is that a coincidence?
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I voted skrammen day 1 because a vote on Zanfada would have been a wasted vote in that situation.
As for me mentioning time zones as often as possible, I don't really get your point there. I mention when I'll be on next/if I'm not going to be on a certain time... is this what you mean? I don't see the harm in letting people know when I'm not around, hell, you're using that as a reason to back up your vote?
Also, I don't think I've been lurking or posting filler. Every day so far I've kept you up to date with my FoS list, reads etc. Sure I don't spam as much as toad for example, but I'm letting you guys know what I think.
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crap a bunch of spelling mistakes on those two most recent posts. Have to go to bed in 20 mins or something like that so I'm really rushing right now 
If somethings unclear please ask me NOW. Sometimes there's words like "are" missing somewhere but I think it's stil readable :p
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Brief explanation of Drem vote: He's been playing the newbie card really hard all game. Granted this is a newbie game, but his 'mistakes' have always had the effect of helping out scum, whether it be blocking a lynch, or spreading misinformation regarding the town/mafia balance. He also originally says he doesn't have a good reason as to why he didn't vote Skrammen, then later says he didn't because he was worried a mis-lynch would have been much worse for town than a no-lynch was. Why would he go back and change his mind on this?
Because "no lynch, is better than a unsuported lynch" doesn't seem like a good reason in terms of this type of game. So i'm not going back on anything. Multiple people asked, so i expanded up on it a bit more so that they would have a satisfactory answer. It was not a good reason, but i had one.
Also, how does spreading misinformation work when i was almost immediately corrected, and seemed to be the only one who made this mistake? Even then, i just said it'd be hard to get a majority, which was true until hyshes martyred himself for no reason.
Also, as an aside, the thing about playing the newbie card. It was never brought up until i screwed up with he number of mafia. I still dont' get where i'm playing the newbie card, so some more info on that would actually be nice.
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Ninja'ed by toad to some extent, but to anyone thinking Ciry and I are town, it takes all but one town vote to lynch without scum help, so ask yourselves, do you think the entire rest of town is voting Toad right now?
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On November 07 2011 09:15 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Ninja'ed by toad to some extent, but to anyone thinking Ciry and I are town, it takes all but one town vote to lynch without scum help, so ask yourselves, do you think the entire rest of town is voting Toad right now?
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On November 07 2011 09:14 Drem903 wrote:Show nested quote +
Brief explanation of Drem vote: He's been playing the newbie card really hard all game. Granted this is a newbie game, but his 'mistakes' have always had the effect of helping out scum, whether it be blocking a lynch, or spreading misinformation regarding the town/mafia balance. He also originally says he doesn't have a good reason as to why he didn't vote Skrammen, then later says he didn't because he was worried a mis-lynch would have been much worse for town than a no-lynch was. Why would he go back and change his mind on this?
Because "no lynch, is better than a unsuported lynch" doesn't seem like a good reason in terms of this type of game. So i'm not going back on anything. Multiple people asked, so i expanded up on it a bit more so that they would have a satisfactory answer. It was not a good reason, but i had one. Also, how does spreading misinformation work when i was almost immediately corrected, and seemed to be the only one who made this mistake? Even then, i just said it'd be hard to get a majority, which was true until hyshes martyred himself for no reason. Also, as an aside, the thing about playing the newbie card. It was never brought up until i screwed up with he number of mafia. I still dont' get where i'm playing the newbie card, so some more info on that would actually be nice.
you just mentioned it a lot. Look up my those posts I quoted earlier. And that's just those who are suspicious. I'm pretty sure I found a couple phrases along the line "well yeah, but this is my first game so dunno/ I'm noob". I can't ensure it right now since I did not quote them but I'm pretty sure I read that sometimes while going through your history and that is a common mafia tell. However in a noobgame it really is a not only a common mafiatell but also a commong townie tell as well :p
The problem with your posts is that one post where you said that zanfa did not have to post stuff because everyone should know what he just posted, because everyone had to read the first post in our thread. And that's just nothing like your usual posts that involve yourself making mistakes like not knowing how many mafias this game has. Also as mentioned earlier, those mistakes turned out to help you all the time.
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Sorry, that was a fuck up. What i meant to say was: since 2 of the 3 people i think are town are voting against me, i have to say no, the rest of the town isn't voting toad. I wouldn't' even be voteing toad if it wasn't for the fact that the last time i blocked a lynch caused me a shit load of problems, and no one else on my list is a viable target atm. Toad is someone that i never had a read (somewhat suspicious of, but not very), and i can't vote for myself. So i'm kind of at an impass.
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@Drem
You're the last one my list of people I am willing to lynch, but I think scum influence is winning out and I'll take a 30% chance of hitting scum right now over a 0% in a blocked lynch or the maybe 5% I'm willing to give to Toad being scum. Either way I am feeling town is fucked at this point, but might as well keep trying :-/ As for the newbie thing:
Are you able to change you're vote after you have voted?
If you're not able to change you're vote, then we also have to be very suspicious of zanfada. We both randomly chose a person to try and encourage discussion, but he actually voted. If you can't change you're vote, then that seems suspicious to me, as he seems in a hurry to lynch someone (anyone). If you can change you're vote, then it's no big deal, but it's still something to consider.
you know, if you guys want to lynch me for having shitty reading comprehension and screwing up the lynch day 1 for not realizing there were only 3 mafia.... then i would not blame you.
If Rammen was town, then we would have ended up losing two townies on day 1, leaving us with a bare majority (we would have 6 out of 10 people), which means every one of us would have to agree. The risk is that if one or two mafia make even an ok case, some town may agree with them and then we get split vote once more.
I guess i don't honestly have a good reason as to why i did not vote for SKrammen in the end.
Bad townie play? possibly. Even worse mafia play? i would believe so.
No lynch is amazing for scum day one, deprives town of almost all information, check out the team melee mini mafia and note that they all agree that they must lynch day 1, and the setup isn't too different.
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On November 07 2011 09:23 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
No lynch is amazing for scum day one, deprives town of almost all information, check out the team melee mini mafia and note that they all agree that they must lynch day 1, and the setup isn't too different.
That's also an awesome answer to all those who tend to say I'm inconsistent. I just said the very same thing all time on day1. Go ahead and look it up. I was the guy saying that nolynch is the worst possible thing for townie on day1 (except for a 100% townie kill but since I only know my own 'status" for 100% that's never going to happen) and I kept telling you guys that we desperatly needed a lynch. So yes, I changed my votes from time to times (also check other games, that's actually not uncommon at all...) to ensure us a vote from my part on both days: Day 1 Skrammen and day2 hyshes once he went emo.
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@All
Are there enough people on/will be on before the deadline to make a push for a lynch on chocolate instead? I know he was at least on the suspicion list of a number of people. Alternately, enough Toad/Drem people willing to switch to Skrammen to make that happen instead?
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Have to go very soon, I'll make sure I check in once before the deadline via phone to change votes if needed. I'd rather not lynch Drem if I can get one of my other choices on the list, so gogogogogo if you want another target. (Also, at least I won't give you shit about not lynching Toad as I think that is a scum-backed lynch)
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I would be willing to swap to skrammen or choc. Skrammen looks about equally scummy as drem however if he DOES flip green I'm scared that people think I have to be red which is the reason behind my vote on drem over skrammen :p
I still don't know what to say about choc and honestly I'm not sure if he's going to survive this day because he might be modkilled. But I need to know it right now (that's 0-15 minutes I'd say?) because I have to wake up in 7 hours again and I can't stay up much longer.
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Well, this indecision is going to kills us. Yes, im willing to push for Choc or Drem. I cant push for a lynch on myself tho. Hyshes tried that!
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so we basicly got skrammen drem and me who are willign to change to choc, although I'm just guessing drem's up for changing his vote because he hasn't answered that question yet. I don't think if that really is something awesome to be fair because I'd say 2 out of us are mafia right now (just a gut feeling) :p
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Im willing to change for skrammen, dont have any strong feelings for choc but i wouldnt block a lynch on him
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Summary:
xsksc is willing to vote for either drem, skrammen or choc (if he has to)
Toad is willing to vote for skrammen, drem or choc
Skrammen is willing to vote for drem, choc or Toad
Harb is willing to vote for drem, choc, Skrammen
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