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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
On November 05 2011 18:19 xsksc wrote: @Drem What are your current reads? Do you still hold by your day 1 decision to help block the lynch? How do you feel about Skrammen and Toad now? My current reads are still: Chocolate and SK. My reasons remain the same for chocolate as they were on day 2, and he hasn't posted since he changed his vote to Hyshes (it could be interesting to note that he does point out that mafia are among the people who voted for hyshes, as he himself did). This could be reading into things now, but he was also the last person to vote hyshes. When would be the best time for mafia to vote for a town other than towards the end to make sure that a townie was lynched, and there were not last second changes? My read on SK isn't the strongest, but Toad has at least contributed a decent amount. SK on the other hand hasn't posted that much (although we have to beware that he could also be a blue, that's trying to lay low). Even his most recent post doesn't amount to much other than a welcome for sermokala, and a hypothetical situation based on who turns up red. My read on Toad is kind of up in the air though. His posts are really long, not that that's a bad thing, but in this case his posts amount to a few points, and paragraphs of fluff that could be cut out. It would be dangerous for a mafia to post as much as he does, as he risks making a scum slip, so that's on the things that makes me tentative to declare him to be scum (it looks liek it's either him or SK). Do i hold by my decision to block the lynch? No, i'm pretty sure i said i regret doing it. in the end, we're 3 days in and we've gotten nowhere (although it is still a surprise that mafia didn't kill anyone (or they got blocked)), and i'm definitely one of the people to blame for that. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
People voting for Toad, you're going to have to make a stronger case than you have so far if you want me on board. We need 6 to lynch, and we have 7 town left, so I assume you do. Or you can wait for Ciry to make his post, and pray he thinks Toad is scum and argues it well :-P Personally I'd recommend putting together something yourself. People who want Skrammen lynched, I'd really like to see a stronger case made here as well. I know I was an advocate of his lynch day 1, but I have more of a town read on him than I did then, and lynching solely for information without a very good chance of scum is a big risk at this point. That being said, us winning without a lynch today will be extraordinarily difficult, so worst case scenario I might be willing to vote for him to get a lynch, even without further evidence. Once again, I'd really recommend making a stronger case here. People who want Drem lynched, again I have my doubts. Probably similar feelings to what I have on Skrammen, but I would also like to encourage everyone to look through at how many people seem to be fine with Drem being lynched. Scum looking for town cred, and setting up a bus if needed? Maybe, but I'm not convinced. People I would like everyone to take a closer look at: xsksc and Chocolate I'm not saying that they are scum yet, and as I said I will check things out more closely when I get the chance, but I'd certainly like to call some attention to these two as they have gotten away with far too little scrutiny on them. @Sermokala: I know you joined in late, but if you're town you better get caught up and do a hell of a lot of talking to help us figure out what side you're on. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
 First of all I'm unvoting, I might have found something weird. ##Unvote Skrammen But I would like to see one particular post and I just can't find it. Someone stated a weird ratio of town vs mafia and I'm not sure who did that. If you guys know what I'm talking about I'd really love to see that post again because I can't find it, I don't know who did that post, I don't know at which page this post was made and I don't know by what I should search. A reply of who made that post would be good just fine because I could look my way through his posts as well. After all I can do the work myself I just need to know who made that post. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:27 IMABUNNEH wrote: Allow me. Or at least my view on it. I would say to those voting Skrammen, is inactivity the only reason? I'd have thought if he WAS scummy he'd have come out and said SOMETHING by now, rather than just toppling over without a fight. Even a new scum would try and do something to alleviate themselves wouldn't they? Voting the inactives isn't a bad choice for what was pointed out earlier (was it by Toads?), that at the very least if they AREN'T scum then they're not that helpful either. But I think the scum would have shown themselves by now. I also think the fact that he has the MOST votes is telling more of the voters than anything. Scum are more likely to team up votes right? So out of those of you who HAVE voted on him, Zanfa, Xsksc, Harbinger, Chocolate, Toad, Ciry... as I type this that's the first time I've counted  6 already?I agree we should lynch someone suspicious, but unless someone can give me a better reason than "he hasn't posted much", I can't agree to the Skrammen lynching. I still think Toad is an obvious read, though Zanfa has been awfully quiet since the blame shifted away from him. A question though: Harbinger's post history seems to be about 50% condemning Skrammen even before other people joined in, and he hasn't really relented or even looked much at anyone else. Why are you so focused on Skrammen? In that quote he is defending Skram and attacking Toad. Imo if we lynch Toad and he comes up town then I would think Skram and BUNNEH are scum, but if Toad comes up red then I think IMABUNNEH is town. I agree with the bolded point, Skram has been quiet and it has hurt his defense, If he is scum I would think his scum buddies would be pressuring him to make at least some defense of some sort. On November 04 2011 02:58 IMABUNNEH wrote: Sacrificing yourself just to show you're green doesn't seem like it helps the town all that much. The reason being, IF you were to flip up green, then it drops to a 7/3. The mafia then get to ping someone else (right?), making it 6/3. At 6/3 it's going to be a lot harder for us to get a solid lynch on a scum. If you throw yourself to the lions and turn out green, we're going to have real problems. If what you say is ACTUALLY true, don't sacrifice yourself, because in doing so you're basically sacrificing the town. This is why I think you MUST be red. You're right that you're not retarded, which is why the only possible option is that you're red. Also in your other posts you refused to defend yourself against "retarded" logic (think that's the right quote, or the gist of it). The posts made against you are pretty sound logically, and your attitude to the accusation is entirely illogical. This is BUNNEH trying to get more info out of hysh before he died, A town move imo. Personally I think Bunneh’s fate is tied to who we lynch today. He defended skram, voted for toad, so if skram is red bunny is red too, I think we need to lynch skram or toad today, we have been focused on them since day 1, it is day 3 now, we need to get it resolved if we are to move forward. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13828 Posts
tomarrow morning I'll have more posts. I've got to catch everyone up one up on my reads and stuff. that will take a while. I'll be doing that tomarrow. Can't wait to really get into this game. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 03 2011 03:35 Drem903 wrote: you know, if you guys want to lynch me for having shitty reading comprehension and screwing up the lynch day 1 for not realizing there were only 3 mafia.... then i would not blame you. We still have a much larger majority, so it's still not the worst situation. Also, even if we did succeed, all it would take was 2 other indecisive townies to vote differently (or vote with mafia unwittingly), to have nothing done today. Either way i could have screwed up much worse, and i do apologize for making the noobiest mistake possible. On October 31 2011 01:19 Drem903 wrote: Are you able to change you're vote after you have voted? If you're not able to change you're vote, then we also have to be very suspicious of zanfada. We both randomly chose a person to try and encourage discussion, but he actually voted. If you can't change you're vote, then that seems suspicious to me, as he seems in a hurry to lynch someone (anyone). If you can change you're vote, then it's no big deal, but it's still something to consider. On November 03 2011 03:21 Drem903 wrote: [ ... his reason why he voted for me ... ] Anyway, now that i'm a genuine target. As i said, my reasoning for not lynching SK was that my suspicion was not enough to risk lynching him if he's town. If Rammen was town, then we would have ended up losing two townies on day 1, leaving us with a bare majority (we would have 6 out of 10 people), which means every one of us would have to agree. The risk is that if one or two mafia make even an ok case, some town may agree with them and then we get split vote once more. I wasn't convinced enough on SK to vote for him so i didn't. This is only my first game, so maybe that's just a nooby mistake and it's usually worth it to take a chance on the lynch, but i just didn't think it was in the town's best interest to take that chance. Now that's kind of the drem we all know. He seems to be not that much informed, doesn't know you can unvote and isn't even aware of the fact how many mafias are in this game which would normally make him look really green because every mafia know how many buddies he has, right? HOWEVER, what I found yesterday was the following: On November 01 2011 03:28 Drem903 wrote: I'll be the first to admit that i am not particularly talkative, although that's mostly because i don't have regular computer access at school.. I have been reading the thread through, and although i still hold zanfada in suspicion, i will also have to agree that SKrammen has not really contributed that much either. His only notable post just recounts information that everyone should know (though some may not have read the thread too carefully and could've forgotten). Although i feel the need to point out, that SKrammen did call out Zanfada for being hasty to vote (even if he could later rescind the vote). If they were both scum, then it wouldn't make sense for them to call suspicion upon one another. Zanfada also hasn't posted in a while, and the only notable parts of his posts were: asking the blues to post more frequently (though not to identify themselves), and to defend himself from hacklebeasts own accusations. So, the people i'm currently very suspicious of are: SKrammen and Zanfada. When i get more time to really look at everyone's posts this might change, but it's just those 2 for now. ##vote Zanfada Now read the bolded part again. That's kinda weird right? He's the guy who got so little information about mafia, does mistakes from time to time and also keeps telling us he's a noob (that's his excuse for not voting for skrammen on day1 and I think he said so a couple of times in the thread) and yet he comes and tells people they are suspicious because they posted something everyone should know? That's strange to say the least and I think he might be playing a game on us, fooling us into thinking he's a noob while he does those "mistakes" on purpose. He just completly changed his posting style that very moment. He's the guy who makes mistakes and therefore I stopped thinking he's mafia and yet he just comes by basicly telling people "hey that's really something odd, I think everybody knows about that because we had to read the thread, why do you post that?". Well yeah I thought everybody knows there's 3 mafias in this game as well just as I thought everybody knows you're able to unvote. Your opinion guys? Oh and just to add. I don't even know what drem was talking about in the last post I quoted. He clearly was talking about zanfa but he didn't quote a thing. So I searched for a zanfa post on page 13 (that's where drems post was), nothing to be found ,same for page 12 and I finally found a post on page 11. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 06:30 Zanfada wrote: I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that. What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day. I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point. Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now. Right now I'm on drem and I would like to hear his thoughts about it as well. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting something but I want him to tell me if that's the case and what I'm doing wrong. So imo he's either a total nooby or he's a mafia trying to make us think he'S a nooby and the last thing I quoted from drem makes me think it's the second one right now. ##Vote Drem903 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. Toadesstern's post record is the longest of the surviving players, as he has also had the most suspicion on him. First and most important to everything that follows: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12086166 This, at its very core, is what triggered people's suspicions on Toad. An exhortation based off his prior game experience in a game where I died Day 1, and Zanfada voted wrong, resulting in a scum win. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12086776 A short comment on Ciryandor trying to survive beyond Day 1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087114 risk.nuke calls him out on it, and puts up a reasonable defense, utilizing the context of the situation as a valid point on why the post had to be made, and also on why it did not have that much content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12090779 He comments on Zanfada thinking defending other players for good play being done by Ciryandor is scummy, and also points to Chocolate to explain why such activity deserves to be called out on. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12090911 Then he and Chocolate try to clear stuff with each other because of his double-barreled reply and end up summarizing the earlier post saying logically it should not be an issue anyway. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12090991 As people are having communication issues with him, he tries to clear up who he wants to talk to after getting reminded by HoD. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12091077 Also, he keeps pushing on Chocolate for what he thinks of an FOS on Ciryandor, which Chocolate promptly responds to. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12091385 Then because he deems it a threat, votes on Chocolate, but unvotes after seeing nobody follow up on it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12095606 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12098372 Then he votes Skrammen as a way out for self-preservation purposes, which I can't blame him for, also pointing out that scum votes could already be in play. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12099437 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12100435 Then he points out that if town wants a lynch, they have to vote Skrammen based off the need for 7 votes, after Skrammen does a throwaway vote and xsksc puts a pressure vote, also doing further defense after risk highlights him looking band-wagonish. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12100635 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12101410 After risk highlights why he thinks Skrammen is a townie lynch, toad responds that it's not really an easy lynch, given that Zanfada and himself were already leading in suspicion when the Skrammen vote by Ciryandor came out. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12102654 After the no-lynch, he explains why the town has to determine which if any of them is guilty, as he wants the debate on who's clean among the two of them to not last too long; and says that unfairly accused townies often have to vigorously defend themselves as they do not have enough information to actually do counter-accusations except for the slight tells one normally finds on posts, finally blowing up on risk and Skrammen for being obstructionist. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12113265 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12117335 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12083997 His first post is the first vote of the game. This is actually decent play, as long as you avoid the label of being scum trying to get a fast mislynch going; which then takes us to mind-game territory. Then he now points out in his next post that Toad's post worked in increasing activity, but also was empty of any accusations on anyone. In the same post, he also responds to Hackle's counterpoint and says Ciryandor's defense was unwarranted. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12090442 I'm not sure if there's something to this post, but it is notable that he defends Toad after having an FOS on Ciryandor for doing the same thing to him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12101366 Now the following posts are interesting if only for the fact that Skrammen's reaction to it was... frankly violent. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12104333 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12113788 A reaction to Toad's post on the likelihood of Skrammen/himself being red, saying if both were green, scum fucked up, and if Toad were red, that Chocolate was likely red as well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12114900 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. Drem903 has been with Skrammen on my likely scum list for some time already, but most of it has been for his early behavior, as I've stated in earlier responses. Let's see whether that holds up by now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12083560 His first relevant post to the game is a random prod on xsksc. Excellent initiative of actually pointing to someone as pressure, but no vote? I'm of the school where you back up first day suspicions with pressure votes, especially in games where voting patterns are not very indicative of people's allegiances. As I said regarding Zanfada, voting early is a risk, but somebody has to do it, and drem might have wanted to not have the pressure be on him if he did exactly that. His next relevant post is here, where he says he was pushing for a response from xsksc with his accusation, then follows up with a short blurb on IMABUNNEH's posts being... "filler". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087688 He doesn't vote on him for that though, and instead picks on Zanfada's early vote. Reasonable given his lack of awareness of how voting works, but still remarkable given that players should have read up on the rules. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087854 Then he goes back and goes for Zanfada as a possible lynch, citing inactivity and lack of response; finally voting for him later despite the suspicions on Skrammen starting to get higher. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12089957 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12100098 What we can note here following is how he essentially says: "If you're town, you should just lie down and die because it will help town more with you dead because you acted scummy as fuck." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12116985 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12117168 Also, he tries to be evasive on why he did the Zanfada vote. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12117739 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. HarbingerOfDoom has been the second most active remaining player based purely off post-count, and in my opinion the most likely town in the eyes of everyone. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12083951 His first post already asks solid first-day play, which is a good sign from someone willing to learn the game. Then he explains what Toad means with requiring activity, which says that he at least gets why Toad's post wasn't a scummy move. He gets called out for a bad FOS (IMO) on this by risk of all players http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087902 Then he comments on risk's response and says that there may be times when things are just the way they are. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12088080 He then emphasizes that the town should not be too eager to jump on someone as an early bandwagon despite the suspicion, but should decry any attempts at escaping via inactivity. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12088777 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12090843 He then tells Toaddestern to clear up his posting so people can better respond to his defensive posture. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12090989 And corrects Ciryandor for his summary on the situation as it unfolds. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12094257 Then he votes for Skrammen based off the suspicions of people and his admittedly weak defense. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12102177 As IMABUNNEH calls him out on it, he defends his position. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12103438 He however notes something quite interesting about Drem on Night 1, and calls out hackle for inactivity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12115187 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12115245 Using an example to call out drem even more. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12117377 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. First response ignores early pressure from Ciryandor and the debate starting on the people who have already posted (Zanfada vs hackle and Toad vs risk): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087144 Then after that, he remarks Drem's highlighting of IMABUNNEH with fluff of his own, then proceeds to castigate Toad's move as a scummy play. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087741 After Zanfada's post saying Toad's call for activity is good but lack of content is empty, he then goes up and targets him for being "needlessly aggressive" early on in Day 1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12090697 Then he gets into a debate because of the lack of clarity on why there was an FOS on Ciryandor in his view. After that, he finally gets to vote on Skrammen to create pressure on his inactivity, to which Skrammen responds. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12096548 He then explains it as a pressure vote, looking at it to get more information out of him and maybe others. Not a very convincing argument IMO however. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12101888 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12104281 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. First response is appropriately enough an inquiry to why drem was pressuring him. With a relatively empty exhortation to be active but does not raise anyone to be suspicious of as a potential target: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12084427 The next post is a remark on doing pressure on Chocolate: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12085964 Then he follows up with a target on Toad because of people picking up on his suspiciousness and noting a specific post of his. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12088073 After his absence he notes Toad's accusations against him and Zanfada's aggressiveness as items of note, saying that Zanfada is being hypocritical based on Zanfada's inactivity. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12095191 This does not stop him from voting Skrammen instead, which might be a pressure play in itself but feels off; however this does not take his eye off Zanfada, as he asks for a proper response to him from his accusations. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12100944 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. His first post is fluff, does not really want to target anyone. I can't really tell whether it's unfamiliarity or whatever. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12086291 Then he reacts to Ciryandor's flippant remark on him getting killed early and lists non-posting players left by that time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12086858 Then a surprised reaction to the early activity and Zanfada's vote on hackle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087223 I don't quite get what to make of this next post though: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087880 He's wondering why people are being aggressive and calls out Toad and risk on it. With risk flipping green, I'm at an impasse on whether that means Toad is green or red. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12088420 This post leaves me wondering, he's right in saying that scumslips occur under pressure, then he goes the opposite route of people assuming Toad's actions were too scummy and says they looked okay against risk's agitations. After that, he calls out once again the vote by Zanfada and takes the risk by wondering if either Zanfada or hackle is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12090258 However, Skrammen's lack of activity takes away more of his attention, but he flops back to Zanfada; so he probably thinks these two are most suspicious at this point in time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12091103 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12091408 Still, with the continued pressure on Toad, he finally starts to look on whether those suspicions are worth looking into, finally committing with a vote after Toad says that him getting lynched would help expose who acted scummy and who did not do so. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12098670 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12100217 For some reason, he then asks why HoD thought early on that Skrammen made a good lynch but didn't vote on it immediately, and HoD easily responds to it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12102924 On Night 1, he implies that either Skrammen or Toad is red based off then-current information because of how Toad voted, and the fact that it would require a sneaky scumteam with Skrammen if Skrammen were the one who flipped red. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12114809 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12073564 The first post is basically Ciryandor asking Toadesstern and Zanfada to be active and work towards a more active town unlike the last time; and may have been fishing for their activity levels to show if they're town as both were last game, or they were adjusting for being a blue/scum in Zanfada's case and a VT/scum for Toad's. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12085211 After the initial accusations on xsksc by drem and vote on hacklebeast/Sermokala by Zanfada, provides some explanation for good Day 1 play to HoD, provides a relevant reason for pushing that person as a good target because they have better activity levels, pokes on Toad to be active, but proposes Chocolate for pressure. Not sure whether one would characterize that as indecisive/unwilling to vote or if there's other purpose. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087622 A reaction on Toad's comment of trying to survive, then moves on to call out Skrammen, Chocolate and hyshes for dubious "fluff posts" on activity. The next post then tries to give Chocolate more of a push to actually commit to a vote if he believes that Toad already merits suspicion. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087901 Then a post to explain to Drem that players can change their vote. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087912 After this he summarizes the current situation with the confusion on an FOS on him for slightly defending Zanfada, and the heavy pressure on Toad by multiple people for what he deems a misguided attempt to lynch him on shallow reasoning; with details corrected by HoD, calling out Chocolate and the dead hyshes on not having follow-through on their suspicions. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12093237 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12094454 The next post is a big moment in Day 1, as it explains why Skrammen looks scummy and deserves his vote, then follows up with another suggested target in the name of Drem. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12098761 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12098866 A defense of his vote being called out as bad by risk happens, but is deflected as it explains the case the best that it could and nobody else had bothered putting something out on Toad and Zanfada at the time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12104683 | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Notes on reading this: I will be linking to posts if I feel that the post is relevant, non-relevant comments to the game will be ignored or at least noted for their presence. Posts with important highlighted points will have relevant quotes either bolded or italicized as appropriate. First post on Day 1 is attacking Zanfada for good Day 1 play, which as I've said in his post, runs the risk of being characterized as scum activity trying to get momentum on a townie. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12087018 And the only other post from him is a simple attack on Toad without really highlighting the specific activity which made him look like scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12099024 Day 2 leaves no trace of him, then Sermokala takes over with guns blazing still focused on Toaddestern. DAMN, I can't believe I haven't even gotten to Day/Night 2 for everyone, and I've been sifting through this for three straight hours. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 07 2011 00:13 Ciryandor wrote: Finally, I leave to anyone who wants to follow up on my Day 1 post why they think Skrammen is a good lynch. Right now, my suspicions are on Drem and Skrammen, with xsksc being a close third. Toad and Bunneh's scumminess depend on each other, if one flips green or red, chances are the other is the same. Zanfada relies a bit on drem's flip as well. Chocolate and sermo are both non-tells, while HoD is closest to confirmed town in my eyes. pretty much sums up my thoughts as well except for maybe xsksc. I would not put him on my 3rd place of my mafia list, maybe on 4 or 5. Could you please do me a favor and tell me what you think about what I pointed out about drem just before you started doing your analyses? Because that was actually the most flashing part for me when I searched his history because I thought it's just not fitting his usual style. | ||
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