EPTAwesome work (read terrible for them) by scum by not doing a hit, or great work by a medic predicting the day's hit. Or we could be seeing a mind-fuck from them, which considering how we haven't been able to get a proper vote going (Skrammen no-lynch and hyshes self-wagon), can only mean a good thing for town. I still can't do my nitpicking on everyone right now; but it will arrive on this Day.
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Awesome work (read terrible for them) by scum by not doing a hit, or great work by a medic predicting the day's hit. Or we could be seeing a mind-fuck from them, which considering how we haven't been able to get a proper vote going (Skrammen no-lynch and hyshes self-wagon), can only mean a good thing for town. I still can't do my nitpicking on everyone right now; but it will arrive on this Day. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On November 05 2011 13:29 sermokala wrote: First off It can't be me no mafia would go inactive Exhibit 1. reasons a threat to onesself and then references that "he knows hes not mafia". his first moves in this very thread are counter to another instead of just srugging off and trying to elaborate on someone else. Smart scum moves proving his guilt. Exhibit 2 Switches up his game then (this is page 13) going from randomly choseing someone rescinds this and then trys to get a lynch to happen without justifying it. simple slight of hand to remove any question to himself about anything while achieving his end goal as a scum. Exhibit 4 Accepts bait But guess what happened to one of the guys who voted for him? Risk is dead and he was a townie. easy clean mafia tactics by toad here. Exhibit 5. this is the most oozing post for me. If someone came out and said that they know who the scums and dt is they would be imediatly cast into doubt with little evidence and the real scums would pounce on that. then he goes on about his "idea" of whos scum and only gets away withoutsaying anything about it by saying that hes not "bold". /vote Toadesstern and thats all I'm going to do for my first couple posts. made a bunch of mistakes but I'm sure I'll get into this just fine. Ok I'm back and lol we got a hero medic :p To answer those things above: 1) Yes it was day1 and I just did not think there was something that could get problematic at that point in time. I do realize that I should not have played it that easy the very first hours and should have explained everything better in the beginning. Also this is half an answer to your second one. Yeah I figured those guys really think my phrase (that one where I told people to talk no matter if blue, green or red) was odd so I had to react to it and from that point in time I changed it up and explained EVERYTHING I wrote. So yeah I changed it up because I thought my play on day1 had flaws in it. Not those 'weird' phrases you guys showed but those 2 answeres. One of them you just quoted and the other one being that paranoid answer. 2) I still think lynching a maybe-mafia is better than a no-lynch + what I said at 1). 3) not found :p 4) Bait accepted? I did NOT vote for him before he started pulling that emo. Once he did it I had to vote for him. And someone else mentioned I was late on voting for hyshes (I think bunneh or I misread something). I was the 2nd (!) to vote for hyshes. 5) Look it up, I posted that list just some posts earlier because I was asked to make a list by harb so I figured I don't have to quote myself just to state that I actually made that list. And yeah what you said is what I did. HE SAID he got a list and is pretty sure he knows who our dt and those 3 mafias is, although we don't even know if we got a dt. That's just weird and you just explained yourself why my reasoning was fine according to you, you just ended up saying it's not. Either because you're under stress right now and have to compensate for hacks poor play and had to get something done quick or because you want people to lynch me and can't find a real thing. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
Regarding the Me vs. Toadsstern thing, at this point two options seem to be possible: 1. One of us is scum. This seems to be the general consensus, and we've been in each others throat for most of this game. But if toad was green then the mafia should have used this, because if Toad gets killed by mafia, I would have been lynched already. But if we consider Toad to be a mafia, the scum will not touch me, because if I die it gives you pretty good information on him. 2. Neither of us are scum. I'm not quite sure about this, but I've mentioned this previously. I think this is the least likely of the two. Also, I noticed somthing Toad said: + Show Spoiler + Ok I'm back and lol we got a hero medic We cant be sure there is a medic, yet he automatically says there is one. A scumslip? Although, to be fair, I do not think the mafia would abstain from trying to kill someone, so we might have one. I cant be for sure if this is a scumslip or just a lack of clarification, but it does seem a bit suspicious to me. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 05 2011 23:21 Skrammen wrote: So, I'm just going to share some of my thoughts and consider some scenarios here. First of all, welcome Regarding the Me vs. Toadsstern thing, at this point two options seem to be possible: 1. One of us is scum. This seems to be the general consensus, and we've been in each others throat for most of this game. But if toad was green then the mafia should have used this, because if Toad gets killed by mafia, I would have been lynched already. But if we consider Toad to be a mafia, the scum will not touch me, because if I die it gives you pretty good information on him. 2. Neither of us are scum. I'm not quite sure about this, but I've mentioned this previously. I think this is the least likely of the two. Also, I noticed somthing Toad said: + Show Spoiler + Ok I'm back and lol we got a hero medic We cant be sure there is a medic, yet he automatically says there is one. A scumslip? Although, to be fair, I do not think the mafia would abstain from trying to kill someone, so we might have one. I cant be for sure if this is a scumslip or just a lack of clarification, but it does seem a bit suspicious to me. a scumslip? What other possibilities are there? :D And no, Mafia deciding to /dance (deciding not to kill someone) is not an explanation I'm going with. So yeah I guess the only thing left is us havin a medic. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I don't know if that's a townie being overeager to find something where nothing's to be found or a mafia trying to get people on me again. I'm still kinda shocked since hyshes flipped green. If I have to stop lynching people like hyshes I'm just not sure by what standars I'm supposed to go. A mafia yelling he's mafia? Yeah that happened last game and he got banned for that. But given those two things (mafia yelling he's mafia and what hyshes did) I'm just having problems imagining something you're able to do that makes you more mafia than hyshes actions and at the same time less than a mafia yelling he's mafia because that's a banreason. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
On November 05 2011 23:48 Toadesstern wrote: but it's awesome. The very moment I post something that's so clear and I don't need to explain it someone shows up and yells at me that I'm scum because you can interprete it in a way nobody does until he's forced to do so by some magical power. I don't know if that's a townie being overeager to find something where nothing's to be found or a mafia trying to get people on me again. I'm still kinda shocked since hyshes flipped green. If I have to stop lynching people like hyshes I'm just not sure by what standars I'm supposed to go. A mafia yelling he's mafia? Yeah that happened last game and he got banned for that. But given those two things (mafia yelling he's mafia and what hyshes did) I'm just having problems imagining something you're able to do that makes you more mafia than hyshes actions and at the same time less than a mafia yelling he's mafia because that's a banreason. Everything you say will be analyzed and scrutinized, and thats how its supposed to be. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 01 2011 10:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Update Hacklebeast Chocolate Skrammen Zanfada hyshes dead Drem903 Skrammen Chocolate Ciryandor Toadesstern xsksc Zanfada HarbingerOfDoom Toadesstern hacklebeast IMABUNNEH risk.nuke dead That was the most recent update on day1 and nothing changed afterwards, so it got to be right. I'm not going to make it to complex here and will just talk about the skrammen-issue and what skrammen being red or green means. So obviously we got 2 possibilties: He's either red or green (while being blue would be a subset of being green). What does either one mean for us? If he turns out to be read I'm 99% certain there's no mafia voting for him. I don't think they would risk that given we already got 6 votes for him and 7 would be enough to lynch him. As you can see we only got 4 people who are not voting for skrammen who are still alive. That would mean if skrammen's red probably 2 out of those 3 left are mafia (those 3 are former hacklebeast, bunneh and drem). So that would be awesome. However if he flips green we probably got a bunch of mafias voting for skrammen as well. I'd say about 2 and one spreading his vote. If that's what's true we might have to reconsider who actually is town and who's not. 2 Days ago I went ahead and said I'm pretty sury ciry, zanfa and xsksc are town. Takeing into consideration what harb did the last days he's without a doubtt on my town list as well. What's left is choc and myself. Frankly I'm considering myself to be townie :p Also I think a lot of people are still considering me to be a 50/50 because of what happened on day1 because from my point of view I made clear I'm a townie on night1 and day2 but yeah those 2 lynches which turned out to be green didn't exactly help my reputation since both wanted to get me lynched. So for me that makes choc an easy target (that is ONCE and IF skrammen flips green) and I have to reconsider what I think of xsksc (haven't checkes his history but I got the feeling he isn't posting that much lately), ciry (same as xsksc although he got an excuse) and zanfa (same again). Right know I'm leaning towards skrammen because of that. If we lynch a townie again it's 6v3 and if mafias succeeds in killing a townie it's going to be 5v3 which is almost lylo (it is unless our medic pulls another hero) and we have to lynch 3 mafias in a row to get this done. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
 I hope it's still understandable. Some spelling issues (do = to, read = red, that very first sentence just got no grammar or whatsoever :p) | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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Germany16350 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On November 06 2011 00:39 Toadesstern wrote: also just to add this: I am aware of that post ciry made earlier and it looks to be town no question it's just that other than those big analyses he's completly skipping the talk. I know he said he's buisy but I just wanted to mention it. Just got home, I'm fucking burnt out, and I'm ready to get back in this game with a PBP worth a damn when I wake up. I'll let you guys judge for yourselves what you think once it's done; it's probably going to be half a page worth of per-person talk. I just wanted to make clear from you Toad, what are you expecting from me regarding this? Do you want me to weigh in on you looking like scum to most people? Or are you asking me why Skrammen ought to be the one lynched instead? | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
If one of them are scum, we should do something about it, not dick around. If one flips green, we know with absolute certainty who we want to lynch the following day. If we were to vote based on percentage liklihood (something subjective), then the only choices I'm seeing right now is a 50/50 on SKrammen/Toad, and a 50-70 chance on Drem. However that 50/50 immediately becomes "the other guy is 100% the other thing) if we get a lynch there. For this reason, I'm making my vote the one that gets the most information for us. It's not a choice anyone necessarily WANTS to make, since we have a 50% chance of getting it wrong, but at this point I feel it's now or never to get that 100% chance next time. ##vote Toadesstern | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Zanfada and xsksc, I would be interested in hearing your reads on each other, as well as an explanation of the read of course. Same for Zanfada and Bunneh. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Given what I said earlier I think the outcome is always better if we lynch skrammen. If he's mafia than fine, we just lynched a mafia (same if you lynch me and I flip red). However since we got hyshes and risk the green case is really fucked up. If I flip green you can't tell a bit about other people because risk and hyshes, who both targeted me were green. So a logic like "let's just lynch everyone who pushed for toad" would be flawed. Plus I got to add that I still think the only reason you guys still think I'm 50% mafia is because of those weird lynches/kills by mafia. Yes both attacked me bot come on, noone could have THAT seen comming | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
On November 06 2011 02:59 Toadesstern wrote: Well in that case I'm obviously on Skrammen. Given what I said earlier I think the outcome is always better if we lynch skrammen. If he's mafia than fine, we just lynched a mafia (same if you lynch me and I flip red). However since we got hyshes and risk the green case is really fucked up. If I flip green you can't tell a bit about other people because risk and hyshes, who both targeted me were green. So a logic like "let's just lynch everyone who pushed for toad" would be flawed. Plus I got to add that I still think the only reason you guys still think I'm 50% mafia is because of those weird lynches/kills by mafia. Yes both attacked me bot come on, noone could have THAT seen comming I'm still conflicted on that. It's not JUST the suspicion of who else have died/lynched, there are parts of your behaviour that still strike me as scummy. But then there is also behaviour that strikes me as townie. I get the feeling that mafia would be more active than SKrammen is being though, however I could be ENTIRELY wrong on that. My initial vote remains on Toads, however I feel Toads or SKrammen have to go today. If there are more people jumping on SKrammen near the deadline, I'll swap my vote to ensure we get the lynch we need. My vote for Toads first is my feeling that Toads is more likely scum than SKrammen. I might also see something between now and then that changes my mind anyway, so who knows. @Harbinger: Tomorrow (RL time) will have to be for a true look back through his posts, since I have friends shortly arriving for a party at mine. My initial answer to that post is earlier I thought he was suspicious, but it may have been the feeling of "everyone is suspicious to me wtf do I do?!". I don't think he's posted that much in the last day or 2 (real life days, not ingame days) so I'd like to see a bit more from him, and potentially what he thinks of me, by the time I reply tomorrow. If that doesn't come through I'll go ahead and PBP (assuming this is play by play?) what I think of him anyway. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
So if you can't wait 6 hours for my response go ahead and ask NOW or wait 6 hous. | ||
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