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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
On November 02 2011 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: got home from university now and yeah let's get a little analysis what happened last day. Let's just pretend we don't know a thing. In that scernario everything's possible. I could be green, I could be red, Skrammen could be green and Skrammen could be red. Same with Zanfa and risk but I'm going to talk about Skrammen and me since the two of us are the main subjects in this thread right now. 1) Both red Let's start with the easy one and pretend both Skrammen and I am red. In that case the two of us are stupid and I'm blaming him to be mafia while he is blaming me to be mafia. I know we're not really blameing each other but I did vote for him so I guess that counts, too. That does not sound like a good plan for mafia imo. 2) Both green Next possibilty: We're both green. If that turns out to be true towns horribly fucked. Not because of the fact that both of us are green but since we didn't even get a majority on a green while mafia is probably even helping us or at least spreading their votes and therefore we might have 1 or 2 mafias on Skrammen as well. And still we don't get a majority. If that's true we got a major problem because we're not going to get a lynch anytime soon (= free kill for mafia without having the chance to kill a mafia or at least get GRANTED information). => pretty much everyone could be mafia because they're able to vote whoever they want without having to manipulate votes at least a bit. 3) Skrammen green, I'm red In that case town got a heavy problem as well. Skrammen was closest for having a majority and it's pretty much the same as the second possibility: I'm mafia and I went for a wagon issued by someone else and still town hasn't got a majority. That would mean that out of those 6 votes probably 2 or 3 votes are issued by mafias (my vote at least + maybe my buddies) while 3 townies voted for Skrammen, 3 voted for me, 2 voted for Zanfa and 1 voted for Chocolate. That's not exactly what you want to do as town, no matter what. 4) I'm green, Skrammen is red In that situation mafia is probably not going to vote for skrammen in the first place. They want to safe their buddy as long as it's possible without leaking information of who actually is mafia out of votingbehaviors right before the deadline. Also this would mean we got at most 1 mafia voting for Skrammen (that is if they got balls). I doubt they got the balls to put their mafia buddy on a 6-votes position themselves, just to make those other 2 mafias really hidden. There could always be a hero votechange 1h before the deadline which would have made a lynch. So in that scenario we probably got about 5 townies voting for Skrammen, maybe it's even 6, while mafia is trying to get us on someone else. Therefore they got either 2 votes on me, 1 vote on me + 1 vote on zanfa or 2 votes on zanfa (the third one is Skrammens vote on choc), while 3 townies did not choose to vote for Skrammen. For me it's kind of clear. I can rule out possibilty 1 (let's face it, noone's that stupid). I think 3 is pretty unlikely. I just think town should be able to get more than 3 votes on a single person without mafia therefore I think there's no mafia votes on Skrammen. If there are we're really fucked. 2 and 4 could be possible in my opinion. Having 5 or 6 townies able to focus their votes on 1 single person while 3 are not sure what to do sounds reasonable for me (compare with example 3: I don't think we got only 3 people being able to focus their votes while the rest is spreading their votes for whatever reason). Therefore I'd say its 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 I'm still not saying I think Skrammen's 100% sure red, and if he's green than risk is green as well. But I think it's a better explanation than the two of us being green or 'me red + Skrammen green' or both red. 1) seems unlikely but if 2 mafia keep pointing at each other and get the town split in half then it will be very hard for us to ever get a lynch off making us easy pickings for night hits. 2)If both of you are green then what did the mafia do voting yesterday? With 2 greens on the chopping block if one bandwagon failed they would have started another for the other imo to get atleast 1 town killed. Instead they let the lynch fall apart which makes me think 1 of you are mafia. 3) This is what the votes are kind of showing, 3 townies for both of you and then 3 mafia for skram to save you. I voted for skram to save myself, he hasn't done any analysis other then superficial placing FOS on my for post crap which is just as much as he has done. 4)I am leaning towards this option out of the 4, skram's bandwagon happened throughout the day, however if skram is green then I think chocolate is red. I think one of you are probably mafia but I am not sure which, with the way the votes are split it seems more likely that Toad is mafia over Skram. @skram I hopeing to get more then 4 lines of counterattacks (as town the more information you give will help me analyize and confirm that you are town). Just stating the obvious. Why say I might red if I am scum? Well, if I was, would I tell you? Are you desperatly trying to find a reason to get me lynched, again? If i can get a better read on you and who you think is guilty rather then quick posts not explaining much then I could leave you be, but right now I have a null read on you, you are all over the place, half the time I think you are town the other half i think you are mafia, I just dont have a good enough read on you to determine if you are town or not. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
So, the people i'm currently very suspicious of are: SKrammen and Zanfada. When i get more time to really look at everyone's posts this might change, but it's just those 2 for now. ##vote Zanfada If you were very suspicious of both of them, why would you leave your vote on Zanfada? At the time of your voting, you had the option to make it 2 votes for Zanfada, or 4 votes for Skrammen. If your goal was to get scum lynched, and you were very suspicious of Skrammen, why place your vote in a way that greatly increases the odds of a no-lynch rather than nearly guaranteeing a lynch on Skrammen? I would also like a bit more from hyshes on why he voted Zanfada, considering his voting post was the following: I don't watn to be modkilled, so i'm going to cast a vote following my feeling here. ##vote Zanfada Do you still think he is scum? Were you around at all after more votes were in? If so, what was your reasoning for leaving your vote on Zanfada, rather than switching it to Toad? Since the failed lynch you seem to be focusing more on Toad, but haven't really made a committal statement yet, do you believe Toad to be scum? | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
His two posts so far: Unnecessarily trying to start a town panic? Baseless accusing people that, under your own admission, have no evidence against? Sounds like very mafia things to do. I'm not going to go so far as to cast my vote yet, but I'm watching you. Besides, I could never have committed the crime. Gmarshal I could take or leave, but killing ponies? I don't have it in me to take out something this lovable. ## vote toadesstern I think his moves have been shady since the beginning. First tries to get the important figures to revel themselves (not explicitly, but if a lurker suddenly started posting significantly after it would give mafia a good clue), then follows it up with a lot of talk about the necessity to kill lurkers. To top it off he fingers chocolate only to rescind his vote after no one else follows suit. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 02 2011 03:24 Zanfada wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: got home from university now and yeah let's get a little analysis what happened last day. Let's just pretend we don't know a thing. In that scernario everything's possible. I could be green, I could be red, Skrammen could be green and Skrammen could be red. Same with Zanfa and risk but I'm going to talk about Skrammen and me since the two of us are the main subjects in this thread right now. 1) Both red Let's start with the easy one and pretend both Skrammen and I am red. In that case the two of us are stupid and I'm blaming him to be mafia while he is blaming me to be mafia. I know we're not really blameing each other but I did vote for him so I guess that counts, too. That does not sound like a good plan for mafia imo. 2) Both green Next possibilty: We're both green. If that turns out to be true towns horribly fucked. Not because of the fact that both of us are green but since we didn't even get a majority on a green while mafia is probably even helping us or at least spreading their votes and therefore we might have 1 or 2 mafias on Skrammen as well. And still we don't get a majority. If that's true we got a major problem because we're not going to get a lynch anytime soon (= free kill for mafia without having the chance to kill a mafia or at least get GRANTED information). => pretty much everyone could be mafia because they're able to vote whoever they want without having to manipulate votes at least a bit. 3) Skrammen green, I'm red In that case town got a heavy problem as well. Skrammen was closest for having a majority and it's pretty much the same as the second possibility: I'm mafia and I went for a wagon issued by someone else and still town hasn't got a majority. That would mean that out of those 6 votes probably 2 or 3 votes are issued by mafias (my vote at least + maybe my buddies) while 3 townies voted for Skrammen, 3 voted for me, 2 voted for Zanfa and 1 voted for Chocolate. That's not exactly what you want to do as town, no matter what. 4) I'm green, Skrammen is red In that situation mafia is probably not going to vote for skrammen in the first place. They want to safe their buddy as long as it's possible without leaking information of who actually is mafia out of votingbehaviors right before the deadline. Also this would mean we got at most 1 mafia voting for Skrammen (that is if they got balls). I doubt they got the balls to put their mafia buddy on a 6-votes position themselves, just to make those other 2 mafias really hidden. There could always be a hero votechange 1h before the deadline which would have made a lynch. So in that scenario we probably got about 5 townies voting for Skrammen, maybe it's even 6, while mafia is trying to get us on someone else. Therefore they got either 2 votes on me, 1 vote on me + 1 vote on zanfa or 2 votes on zanfa (the third one is Skrammens vote on choc), while 3 townies did not choose to vote for Skrammen. For me it's kind of clear. I can rule out possibilty 1 (let's face it, noone's that stupid). I think 3 is pretty unlikely. I just think town should be able to get more than 3 votes on a single person without mafia therefore I think there's no mafia votes on Skrammen. If there are we're really fucked. 2 and 4 could be possible in my opinion. Having 5 or 6 townies able to focus their votes on 1 single person while 3 are not sure what to do sounds reasonable for me (compare with example 3: I don't think we got only 3 people being able to focus their votes while the rest is spreading their votes for whatever reason). Therefore I'd say its 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 I'm still not saying I think Skrammen's 100% sure red, and if he's green than risk is green as well. But I think it's a better explanation than the two of us being green or 'me red + Skrammen green' or both red. 3) This is what the votes are kind of showing, 3 townies for both of you and then 3 mafia for skram to save you. I voted for skram to save myself, he hasn't done any analysis other then superficial placing FOS on my for post crap which is just as much as he has done. You're missing two major points here: First of all, it would not be 3 votes on skramm and me but 3 votes on skramm, 3 votes on me and 3 more votes spreaded (that's 2 on you and 1 on choc if you assume that 3 mafias are on skramm). Secondly the skramm wagon happened way earlier that things got "serious" about my votes. He got 3 votes on him while I had 1 and we both got to 5-3 pretty fast. Still, even in that situations there's no need for my hypothetical mafia buddies to come and safe me when he got 5 votes which turned out to be 6 later on. You need 7 votes and if 3 out those 6 votes on skramm are scum, than there's pretty much no way a lynch on my could have happend. It would be 6 on skramm and 6 on me, given that every single voter who voted for you (or choc) switched to me and on top of that it would have needed more people switching to me from skramm than people who're switching to skramm from me (at least one more). If I were mafia I would have told my buddies to chill the fuck out because there's not going to be that much changes happening. | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On November 02 2011 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: So while reviewing the voting and the resulting no-lynch, I noticed something very interesting from Drem: If you were very suspicious of both of them, why would you leave your vote on Zanfada? At the time of your voting, you had the option to make it 2 votes for Zanfada, or 4 votes for Skrammen. If your goal was to get scum lynched, and you were very suspicious of Skrammen, why place your vote in a way that greatly increases the odds of a no-lynch rather than nearly guaranteeing a lynch on Skrammen? I would also like a bit more from hyshes on why he voted Zanfada, considering his voting post was the following: Do you still think he is scum? Were you around at all after more votes were in? If so, what was your reasoning for leaving your vote on Zanfada, rather than switching it to Toad? Since the failed lynch you seem to be focusing more on Toad, but haven't really made a committal statement yet, do you believe Toad to be scum? I still have some suspicion yes. At that time he was the most suspicious to me and i needed to vote to be sure not to get modkilled. I was actually around when the day ended but because the [*time*] thingy of teamliquid did not change until past night for european timezones (we had a timeshift saturday) i missed it by a few minutes. (you can ask our host, i msged him about it) I'm 50/50 on toad being scum to be fair. I find his reason why he is not scum and skrammen is not conclusive. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On November 02 2011 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: got home from university now and yeah let's get a little analysis what happened last day. Let's just pretend we don't know a thing. In that scernario everything's possible. I could be green, I could be red, Skrammen could be green and Skrammen could be red. Same with Zanfa and risk but I'm going to talk about Skrammen and me since the two of us are the main subjects in this thread right now. 1) Both red Let's start with the easy one and pretend both Skrammen and I am red. In that case the two of us are stupid and I'm blaming him to be mafia while he is blaming me to be mafia. I know we're not really blameing each other but I did vote for him so I guess that counts, too. That does not sound like a good plan for mafia imo. 2) Both green Next possibilty: We're both green. If that turns out to be true towns horribly fucked. Not because of the fact that both of us are green but since we didn't even get a majority on a green while mafia is probably even helping us or at least spreading their votes and therefore we might have 1 or 2 mafias on Skrammen as well. And still we don't get a majority. If that's true we got a major problem because we're not going to get a lynch anytime soon (= free kill for mafia without having the chance to kill a mafia or at least get GRANTED information). => pretty much everyone could be mafia because they're able to vote whoever they want without having to manipulate votes at least a bit. 3) Skrammen green, I'm red In that case town got a heavy problem as well. Skrammen was closest for having a majority and it's pretty much the same as the second possibility: I'm mafia and I went for a wagon issued by someone else and still town hasn't got a majority. That would mean that out of those 6 votes probably 2 or 3 votes are issued by mafias (my vote at least + maybe my buddies) while 3 townies voted for Skrammen, 3 voted for me, 2 voted for Zanfa and 1 voted for Chocolate. That's not exactly what you want to do as town, no matter what. 4) I'm green, Skrammen is red In that situation mafia is probably not going to vote for skrammen in the first place. They want to safe their buddy as long as it's possible without leaking information of who actually is mafia out of votingbehaviors right before the deadline. Also this would mean we got at most 1 mafia voting for Skrammen (that is if they got balls). I doubt they got the balls to put their mafia buddy on a 6-votes position themselves, just to make those other 2 mafias really hidden. There could always be a hero votechange 1h before the deadline which would have made a lynch. So in that scenario we probably got about 5 townies voting for Skrammen, maybe it's even 6, while mafia is trying to get us on someone else. Therefore they got either 2 votes on me, 1 vote on me + 1 vote on zanfa or 2 votes on zanfa (the third one is Skrammens vote on choc), while 3 townies did not choose to vote for Skrammen. For me it's kind of clear. I can rule out possibilty 1 (let's face it, noone's that stupid). I think 3 is pretty unlikely. I just think town should be able to get more than 3 votes on a single person without mafia therefore I think there's no mafia votes on Skrammen. If there are we're really fucked. 2 and 4 could be possible in my opinion. Having 5 or 6 townies able to focus their votes on 1 single person while 3 are not sure what to do sounds reasonable for me (compare with example 3: I don't think we got only 3 people being able to focus their votes while the rest is spreading their votes for whatever reason). Therefore I'd say its 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 I'm still not saying I think Skrammen's 100% sure red, and if he's green than risk is green as well. But I think it's a better explanation than the two of us being green or 'me red + Skrammen green' or both red. #1 Is pretty unlikely imo. #2 Is a possibility, I think at least one of you is scum though, I'd be very surprised if this was the case, and we're fucked if it is. #3 I was very suspicious of you early on, but I ended up voting skarmmen because his later posts seemed really dodgy, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were scum. #4 At the moment I'm trying to figure out which of you two is more likely to be town, because that would almost certainly make the other scum. However this is probably the most likely of the 4 options in my eyes. | ||
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
Mostly because he seems adamant about convincing us that he is town, and constantly restates that point over and over again. Which seems like something mafia would do if they were desperate to avoid a lynch. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 02 2011 06:24 Drem903 wrote: Mostly because he seems adamant about convincing us that he is town, and constantly restates that point over and over again. Which seems like something mafia would do if they were desperate to avoid a lynch. was that about me? If yes than I'll ask you a question: If someone said you're mafia and in reality you're town. So given that situation: You would not try to convince people you're town? Because that's going to get people on the right track and town will avoid a town lynch. I'd say in both cases I'm going to try and convince you I'm town :p | ||
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
On November 02 2011 06:36 Toadesstern wrote: was that about me? If yes than I'll ask you a question: If someone said you're mafia and in reality you're town. So given that situation: You would not try to convince people you're town? Because that's going to get people on the right track and town will avoid a town lynch. I'd say in both cases I'm going to try and convince you I'm town :p As town you should have nothing to be afraid of, and shouldn't have to to keep saying "trust me, i'm town". You're actions will show people if you're town more so than you saying it. To me, the latter is far more suspicious. If people think you're scum, then telling them you're not doesn't change their mind. That's just my opinion on it. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
The reason I think #1 is really unlikely is the way toad went for a skrammen lynch, if they were mafia buddies that wouldn't have happened. If toad is scum then that makes skrammen town, and vice versa. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Remember. I never lurked, I never ignored something. You asked me smoething? A question? An explanation of what I meant? Np, I answered everything! At least I think so and I always told you to ask me if somethings unclear and said I'm going to answer everything you're going to ask me. I'm completly telling you guys what my intentions are and yet some people think my actions sometimes were weird (for example to try and get some reactions out of people) and in the end most people tend to say the reason behind it sounds legit. Does that sound like a mafia or like someone trying to get some information on day 1 with so much nothing before I started doing so? On the other side we got skrammen who's lurking hardcore, we got risk who's lurking hardcore. Skrammen is answering sometimes while risk is just completly ignoring EVERYTHING he was asked and he's totally ignoring posts like skrammen did when he talked about the possibility of risk being mafia (that is if skrammen is red, too). He went ahead and asked you guys what you think about the situation skrammen vs me, just to ignore the next thing. He IS explaining this one thing: Why he thinks I am mafia and is complety ignoring everything else. Does that sound like a townie? In my opinion it's more of a guy trying to make people go after me and nothing else. Go ahead, search for all my posts with the content risk. Plenty got something with risk in it, asking him to explain what his thoughts are or whatever. I haven't found a single answer yet. I still think skrammen looks red but this could be a huge problem and we both could end up being green and I got to change what I said earlier: I don't think mafia would have to push for skrammen if skrammen turns out to be green. Town fighting over lynching either Townie1 or Townie2 while not able to decide which one is a pretty nice position to be in for mafia as well. I'd still like to vote for risk over skrammen. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
On November 02 2011 06:24 Drem903 wrote: @Harbinger. I voted for Zanfada because he, at the time, was the person i was most suspicious of. In retrospect i should have looked at SKrammen's posts more, but at the time he [SKrammen] wasn't the most suspicious to me. Now, although SKrammen is still suspicious (he completely ignored toad's analysis a page back, and only responded to defend himself from Zanfa), i am starting to put a lot more thought in the the claim that Toadesstern is a major suspect. (Zanfa i am now unsure of, and hope to see more posts from him before i say anything more on him). Mostly because he seems adamant about convincing us that he is town, and constantly restates that point over and over again. Which seems like something mafia would do if they were desperate to avoid a lynch. I understand he may very well have been the person you were most suspicious of, but in the very post you used to place that vote you said you were very suspicious of Skrammen. My question was if you thought both were likely to be scum at the time, why would you vote in a manner that makes it less likely that either of them would get lynched? It isn't like you made an effort in your post to get people to switch from Skrammen to Zanfada to get him lynched instead, you simply said they were both very suspicious and placed your vote. Let's spell it out a bit: Suppose you think A and B are scummy. You think A is 60% to be scum, B is 80% to be scum. If you vote A, he will almost surely be lynched. If you vote B, there is a small chance A will be lynched, no chance B will be lynched, a large chance nobody will be lynched. How does the second choice ever make sense, unless you think A is likely to be town? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On October 30 2011 22:48 risk.nuke wrote: Avenge the ponies!! and GM :| Okey. Gentlemen, I know what we're dealing with and it's a creature of pure evil. However my #1 got noobed in his face by rampaging xeno basterds so I were out of suspects. Unless... ...Gentlemen, who do we know that obviously hate mafia and ponies sunshine and top of it won't give us handsome lads a sidebar. That's right. Hotbid. ![[image loading]](http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9141/hotbid2.png) Hotbid must have gotten wind of tlmafia recruiting, knowing he can't exert his evil powers without risking the attention of the others he dared not make an appearence himself. Instead he used his wicked influence and stunning looks to corrupt three promising young initiates. Hotbids scheme must be stopped and his mislead rookies caught. No matter the cost. ...the future of TL Mafia depends on it. I don't like those kind of posts. Yeah it's meant to be funny (I guess) but we want to get something done. That kind of posts are not helpfull at all because it's makeing it easy for mafia to hide within spam. Not a big deal, but that happens a lot in your posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2011 22:51 risk.nuke wrote: You seem awefully keen to make our dt and medic reveal themselves. Are you in bed with Hotbid? Okay it's a question but at that point in time I could not believe someone could misinterprete my statement the way you did. Once I read that I basicly sat there thinking "wtf, I'm not telling blues to reveal themselves, are you kidding me?". Could be intentional to get me talking but I thought it's bullshit and it's again half a spam. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 00:47 risk.nuke wrote: I see, but that is unrelated hence your paranoia defense isn't very convincing.. You were just hinting dts and medics to reveal themselves. That is scummy. Since you made two "joke-posts" I thougt I'm going to answer as a joke as well because I still could not believe you really interpreted my post the way you did and thought you're kidding me. So you doing jokes is fine but I'm doing joke is not? Guess that was a misunderstanding, but still, it adds up. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 01:27 risk.nuke wrote: Getting in peoples faces is precisly what we want. How else do you expect to catch scum? + On October 31 2011 01:42 risk.nuke wrote: Even if that was what you thought, why were you so quick to tell everyone what you thought toad ment. He wasn't about to get lynched.. If that's what he thought when he wrote it he wouldn't had have any problems telling us that himself, if he's scum he might had given a scumslip. FOS That's what I said earlier. Yeah you want people to get talking. Fosing around like a mad man however sounds like a mafia trying to make a case out of nothing to get people on someone instead of them + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 04:13 risk.nuke wrote: Apologies, I have been hardlurking all day, not by intent I didn't find time to read and analyse untill now. I don't know, I'm criticising you for not showing up all along. I expected more of an answer. A simple "hey sorry, had to work / had to look after my kids / had to learn for university" would have worked for me. I asked you multiple times to get a bit specific and tell us why you're lurking, you never answered. I know it private but unless it's something strange or emotional I think telling us is np. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 04:30 risk.nuke wrote: Everyone respond to everything somebody throws against you. Even small stuff. I know it can be done to get by for a while ignoring minor suspicions because "oh look, they dropped me" or "it doesn't seem important". However for everything you do respond to it gives town more information. There are a few more hours left so if you can ditch in a few last efforts. Toad, your play is inconsistant and all over the place. I can't tell if you're scum or just new. It's as if you're going for a town powerposition but you don't really know how to achieve it. I really don't like you're jumping on skrammen rather then defending yourself. ##Vote Toadesstern "Everyone respond to everything somebody throws against you. Even small stuff." Thats what you said, telling me (I guess?) I'm not open enough although I answered everything I was asked while you kept lurking and ignoring requests. I don't really like that. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 06:29 risk.nuke wrote: The reason I don't like the Skramen lynch is because nobody have tried to help him. Thats a pretty good indicator you're lynching a townie unless scum is throwing him under the bus. Remember scum likes to get onboard an easy wagon. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, I am going to tell you how the Skrammen case started. Due to the massive amounts of texts and quotes in quotes I write in green and Ciryandor is underlined. This is not true, Skrammen haven't talked any less then several other people. Alot of text but contentwise it's an exaggeration to call this case weak. Bandwagon is forming up, and still there is nothing solid on Skrammen, and what the hell is the part where he admits he'd rather want to go for someone else but will settle for this guy whom we have nothing on. Why would a townie want to lynch a random person when the chances of catching a scum is 3/12. Lynching a town gives the dt less rounds to find scum. Again, no arguments to why we should lynch this guy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This case is a clear bandwagon based on little/nothing. Alot of people here are new which makes an unquestioned bandwagon all the more dangerous. Don't jump on something you don't feel strongly about yourself, otherwise we will be no match for the scum. But most interestingly, I feel the need to emphasize this again. Nobody is taking his side. Imo that's still a big lie or a big mistake. Already told you why I think so. (To sum it up: You ARE defending skrammen, everyone not voting for skrammen IS defending him because they're blocking the lynch, if you're attacking a mafia there will be people defending him, at least one buddy and yet you tell me that this looks strange?) + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 07:49 risk.nuke wrote: Toad. My point is you say you think he is scum 33-45 percent while at the same time avoiding providing any arguments as to why. Even in your response you fail to do so but instead tried to defuse it into a scenario where we are just OMGUS-ing eachother. You're making it sound as if I were your suspect all along but it's actually only since I voted for you. If he had thought I were scum he would had written what he had on me in the thread because thats what townies do. This is a scumslip. Look at this, I am now his main suspect for busting a bandwagon against someone he claimed to be 33-45% sure of. Note this: Hypotheticly If I were scum and Skrammen is town, would I halt the lynch? Ofcourse not. So logicly I could only be scum if Skrammen is scum, and thats disregarding the possibilty that I am town and wrong about him beeing town. And yet I am his top suspect. That does not add upp. it's not a scumslip. If I tell you the very moment I think you look strange (that was at the very beginng, based on stuff I just don't like, but those things could still be town) you would know I'm looking after your posts and therefore would take care of what you're saying. Also I answered your first paragraph and you completly ingored it ( I think). + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 09:32 risk.nuke wrote: But jesus christ I'm even off tracking myself, Why are you still blind and talking about Skrammen. Toadesstern have accidently done several scumslips, wake up! That's just weird. You're claiming I'm looking weird because I don't give explanation of what I'm doing? You're kidding me right? As mentioned, I DO explain whatever you want me to explain once you ask me, yet you come by posting a bunch of nothing, blaming me to have made couple scumslips without saying what those are, not even giving a single example. Yeah, totally what a townie would do "Let's lynch him! He's mafia because I know so!" | ||
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
Although it is noteworthy to say that Toad does have a point about Risk not really posting that much. He's actively defending SK, although he immediately tries to spurn attention back on SK when he is called into question, and a few of his posts are just updates on him lurking. He has also tried to get people to look at Toad. So if Toad is mafia, then risk probably isn't. If risk is mafia, then toad isn't, and SKrammen is also mafia because risk wouldn't defend him if he wasn't. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
So to defend myself from your lines of nonsense, the wall of text where it's hard to even know who said what. You don't like the way I post? Starting the game of with some humor, so people wont get bored and hence less active. How is that anti-town play. The second one is just a small pressure post aswell as the followup. Nothing more. The fact that you question everything I do while other people are doing the same thing just sugest you have targeted me instead of targeting scummy behavior and that is not town play. Narrowing one person down and claiming everything he does is scummy by angle it or WIFOM is not town play, especially since you're only targeting me because I am the one trying to expose you. Then you're questioning my activity, trying to make a case of as if it mattered why I couldn't be at a computer long enough to analyze and write. What exacly did I have thrown against me? I am looking through the thread right now and the only thing I find is things you have said which is just omgus. You're just playing on the fact that there are so many people who doesn't go back and read but just swallows what you angle to be true. Townie priority list. 1. Establish your innocence. 2. Support the right townies. 3. Vote properly. 4. Shut down any attempts to lynch other obvious townies. 5. Shut down attempts to spread doubt or chaos in the thread. There is no reason for a townie ever to angle anything, that is not their job because it doesn't help them to find scum, only scum ever tries to angle things. Ofcourse if I call out that nobody is supporting the one beeing lynched then I become his suporter, I waited as long as I dared to do it because I wanted to see if anyone else would and still have time to avert the lynch. In the second last of my quotes it's really interesting to see which part Toad choose to answer. Ignoring what was clearly the point of that post. I'll come back to this in a second. I am telling you to explain, the only evidence you have presented on Skrammen is he is scum because I am defending him. You're responses are pretty much You are scum, I have explained YOU ARE SCUM!! What I want is something concrete, like this. Toad is scum because he is inconsistent to what he says, changes his mind, angle things and when asked for reasoning why he thinks in a certain way he is having a hard time answering something that should be as simple as saying the truth. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Townie priority list. 1. Establish your innocence. 2. Support the right townies. 3. Vote properly. 4. Shut down any attempts to lynch other obvious townies. 5. Shut down attempts to spread doubt or chaos in the thread. I find it a bit odd that your list doesn't include finding scum. My list would be: 1: Figure out who is scum 2: Once you have determined someone is scum (or at least likely to be scum), make a case against them and convince other people that the person is, in fact, scum. The rest should take care of itself. I would also like to take a moment to share two potentially relevant quotes from Ver's guide: + Show Spoiler + "The worst way to play day 1 is with apathy and disinterest and lynch the most outspoken/controversial player, who is never going to be mafia." "The most important thing to do with the day 1 lynch is look at the votes and trends. Was there a big swing for one candidate over another? How late was it in the cycle? How many people received 1-2 votes? In this case, the most interesting vote count list is the one posted with 4 hours to go. At this point, love1another has 6 votes, Bill Murray has 5, and Roffles has 4. There are 9 players with 1-2 votes and 4 players have not voted yet. This list tells you that there probably isn't a mafia in the top 2 vote getters. The votes are close enough that the mafia doesn't really have to risk itself too much to do a voteswing, but the mafia also don't want to do a voteswing at the last minute because last minute voteswingers generally get put under heavy pressure after an innocent lynch. The mafia would have been pushing a different candidate harder over the course of the day if there was a mafia at risk. Instead, expect to see the mafia pretty spread out among the votegetters and don't expect many of them to switch at the end. And sure enough, only Misder is voting for any of the top 3 vote getters. Infundibulum hasn't voted yet and the other 4 mafia members are in lists of 1-2 votes. Sure enough, looking at the final votes, only 1 mafia changed their vote and Infundibulum came in and voted. There isn't a single mafia on the love1another lynch list. At this point, Bill Murray should be viewed as almost certainly not mafia." | ||
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