EPTAs mentioned before, his first few posts were rather empty/slightly scummy. He then comes into the thread over 2 hours after a vote is on him, and responds only to my much earlier FOS, ignoring the fact that there is a vote to lynch him. Perhaps an attempt to avoid drawing more attention to it and to himself? Either way his defenses have seemed rather weak, and his contributions to scum hunting have been minimal at best. What are your opinions of Toad and Zanfada, Skraamen? I'd be interested to hear them.
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
As mentioned before, his first few posts were rather empty/slightly scummy. He then comes into the thread over 2 hours after a vote is on him, and responds only to my much earlier FOS, ignoring the fact that there is a vote to lynch him. Perhaps an attempt to avoid drawing more attention to it and to himself? Either way his defenses have seemed rather weak, and his contributions to scum hunting have been minimal at best. What are your opinions of Toad and Zanfada, Skraamen? I'd be interested to hear them. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Remember scum likes to get onboard an easy wagon. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, I am going to tell you how the Skrammen case started. Due to the massive amounts of texts and quotes in quotes I write in green and Ciryandor is underlined. On October 31 2011 20:36 Chocolate wrote: Skrammen has contributed very little so far so until he talks more I will vote for him. ##vote Skrammen This is not true, Skrammen haven't talked any less then several other people. On November 01 2011 01:33 Ciryandor wrote: It's the time of day for most people. I'm about to sleep, so I'll miss around 8 hours of discussion, but I feel that Skrammen has been able to coast by the most, and next to that would be Drem903. Putting pressure on him and explaining my vote to follow: ## Vote Skrammen Skrammen's first game post is a greeting, nothing wrong there, but it's fluff to make sure he doesn't get modkilled. Now here he looks at Zanfada's early pressure and thinks it's scummy to randomly highlight someone, when it's actually good town play to be non-discriminating; then proceeds to state the obvious that certain conversation delays are going to happen simply because of timezones. Here in this post he's very much guilty of pointing out something that works towards the scum-team's advantage, and that is to have fluff conversations regarding people who merit suspicion, but not applying enough pressure for him to actually do a vote. Three posts, two on a very weak FoS, just enough to evade proper scrutiny. I think this is worth my vote. Alot of text but contentwise it's an exaggeration to call this case weak. On November 01 2011 02:29 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I'm going with skrammen as well, we need to get a lynch and although I would have liked to get someone else I think going after him is fine, too. ##vote Skrammen Just to get this clear since at least I did not know last game: It's not a simple majority vote, we need 7 people to vote on someone or it's a no-lynch. Having 4 votes on someone and 8 votes spread out is not going to get the guy with 4 votes lynched. Bandwagon is forming up, and still there is nothing solid on Skrammen, and what the hell is the part where he admits he'd rather want to go for someone else but will settle for this guy whom we have nothing on. Why would a townie want to lynch a random person when the chances of catching a scum is 3/12. Lynching a town gives the dt less rounds to find scum. On November 01 2011 04:01 xsksc wrote: ##vote Skrammen I'm still suspicious of zanfada, I want to see him reply soon. I could well change my vote to him, depends on his next post. Again, no arguments to why we should lynch this guy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This case is a clear bandwagon based on little/nothing. Alot of people here are new which makes an unquestioned bandwagon all the more dangerous. Don't jump on something you don't feel strongly about yourself, otherwise we will be no match for the scum. But most interestingly, I feel the need to emphasize this again. Nobody is taking his side. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
And you're misinterpreting what I said. My point was: I think he might be scum, like 33-45%, while you're my number #1 right now, especialy given that last post :p The most important part right here: You think Skrammen is the easy wagon? I thought the easy wagon is either zanfa or me for mafia since there used to be always a couple of votes on both of us. Something like 1 or 2. Skrammen only started once ciry voted for him. Again, I would love to get you lynched first but he's looking scummy too and I for sure don't want a no-lynch as that's just the same as lynching a townie while leaving everything in the dark because we got no information out of votings or posts. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
But most interestingly, I feel the need to emphasize this again. Nobody is taking his side. Allow me. Or at least my view on it. I would say to those voting Skrammen, is inactivity the only reason? I'd have thought if he WAS scummy he'd have come out and said SOMETHING by now, rather than just toppling over without a fight. Even a new scum would try and do something to alleviate themselves wouldn't they? Voting the inactives isn't a bad choice for what was pointed out earlier (was it by Toads?), that at the very least if they AREN'T scum then they're not that helpful either. But I think the scum would have shown themselves by now. I also think the fact that he has the MOST votes is telling more of the voters than anything. Scum are more likely to team up votes right? So out of those of you who HAVE voted on him, Zanfa, Xsksc, Harbinger, Chocolate, Toad, Ciry... as I type this that's the first time I've counted  6 already?I agree we should lynch someone suspicious, but unless someone can give me a better reason than "he hasn't posted much", I can't agree to the Skrammen lynching. I still think Toad is an obvious read, though Zanfa has been awfully quiet since the blame shifted away from him. A question though: Harbinger's post history seems to be about 50% condemning Skrammen even before other people joined in, and he hasn't really relented or even looked much at anyone else. Why are you so focused on Skrammen? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
If he had thought I were scum he would had written what he had on me in the thread because thats what townies do. This is a scumslip. Look at this, I am now his main suspect for busting a bandwagon against someone he claimed to be 33-45% sure of. Note this: Hypotheticly If I were scum and Skrammen is town, would I halt the lynch? Ofcourse not. So logicly I could only be scum if Skrammen is scum, and thats disregarding the possibilty that I am town and wrong about him beeing town. And yet I am his top suspect. That does not add upp. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
He seemed slightly scummy and fairly non-contributing since the start. I then mentioned it again as he still had not responded to what I said earlier about him. He then came in with a rather weak defense against only 1 or 2 of the charges leveled at him and disappeared again, after throwing a vote on someone who is not one of the main suspects for seemingly anyone else. As for the focus, focusing is how you get things done. If I post that I am suspicious of 6 people, what have I accomplished? Yes I've perhaps been tunneling him more than I should, but I assure you I've been keeping a watch on others as well. If Skrammen wants any chance of me changing my vote from him to someone else, I need him to answer my earlier request, which I will repeat here: What are your opinions of Toad and Zanfada, Skrammen? | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Here's a list of players and votes+ Show Spoiler + 1. risk.nuke Toadesstern 2. HarbingerOfDoom Skrammen 3. Toadesstern Skrammen 4. Zanfada Skrammen 5. xsksc Skrammen 6. Ciryandor Skrammen 7. hacklebeast toadesstern 8. Skrammen Chocolate 9. hyshes Zanfada 10. Drem903 Zanfada 11. IMABUNNEH Toadesstern 12. Chocolate Skrammen | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:07 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: If Skrammen wants any chance of me changing my vote from him to someone else, I need him to answer my earlier request, which I will repeat here: What are your opinions of Toad and Zanfada, Skrammen? And me, he did vote for me after all. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:49 risk.nuke wrote: Toad. My point is you say you think he is scum 33-45 percent while at the same time avoiding providing any arguments as to why. Even in your response you fail to do so but instead tried to defuse it into a scenario where we are just OMGUS-ing eachother. You're making it sound as if I were your suspect all along but it's actually only since I voted for you. If he had thought I were scum he would had written what he had on me in the thread because thats what townies do. This is a scumslip. Look at this, I am now his main suspect for busting a bandwagon against someone he claimed to be 33-45% sure of. Note this: Hypotheticly If I were scum and Skrammen is town, would I halt the lynch? Ofcourse not. So logicly I could only be scum if Skrammen is scum, and thats disregarding the possibilty that I am town and wrong about him beeing town. And yet I am his top suspect. That does not add upp. and my point is that I'm obviously not going to vote for myself. And I still don't think what we got on zanfa is something worth a lot. If that summary of votes is correct we still need one more vote to get a lynch at all. That is if skrammen is red and no mafia voted for him and therefore can't change his vote. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + That said, the 3 people up for the chopping block are Skram, Toad, and myself. Out of those three Skram looks like the best target. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558¤tpage=14#268 I still maintain that these are poor grounds of accusation. At first glance, Toadsstern seem very eager to appear very pro-town. I dont think I like the idea of lynching for the sake of lynching. + Show Spoiler + The most important part right here: You think Skrammen is the easy wagon? I thought the easy wagon is either zanfa or me for mafia since there used to be always a couple of votes on both of us. Something like 1 or 2. Skrammen only started once ciry voted for him. Again, I would love to get you lynched first but he's looking scummy too and I for sure don't want a no-lynch as that's just the same as lynching a townie while leaving everything in the dark because we got no information out of votings or posts. But thats not strictly true, is it? You voted me after the heat dropped of zanfada, and the wagon came-a rolling my way. Most of his other posts are quite confusing, which may or may not be because that his first language is not english, but it can be a good excuse. If you decide to lynch me anyway, and I do flip green, there's a good chance all of the scum will be among those who are most adamant about lynching me. If I flip red, then risk and bunneh got some 'splaining to do. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Ciry have been tring to establish himself as one of the better players. And his been pretty pro-town. That's why this post is so suspicious because it's shit in and Ciry should know this. | ||
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Sweden2825 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On November 01 2011 09:25 risk.nuke wrote: Why the wagon is on skrammen and on nobody else is because Ciryandor voted for him. Ciryandor have been trying to take a leading role and taking charge of town. Ciry have been tring to establish himself as one of the better players. And his been pretty pro-town. That's why this post is so suspicious because it's shit in and Ciry should know this. Well if Skrammen turns out green we will have an idea of who to go for next/investigate. If Skrammen turns out red then we know almost for certain who to go for  . To be honest we barely have anything to work with now and he seems to be the prime suspect (at least imo he is). Also the risk vs. reward is pretty good. If we take out a mafia there are only two left and they won't be too hard to find. If we take out a town then we should have some some good ideas of who the mafia are, although we will be a little crippled vote-wise. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
On November 01 2011 09:32 risk.nuke wrote: But jesus christ I'm even off tracking myself, Why are you still blind and talking about Skrammen. Toadesstern have accidently done several scumslips, wake up! Basically what I tried to point out (I'm not the most eloquent with words  ). I think though there's a big bandwagon train on Skrammen based on very little, and the main perpetrators seem less than clean. There's only a bit of time left to vote, I hope people work out that they've already slipped into a mob mentality rather than voting for a lynch with good reasoning. TL will be down for extended maintenance in 06:20:29. What do? | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
On November 01 2011 09:04 Skrammen wrote: If you decide to lynch me anyway, and I do flip green, there's a good chance all of the scum will be among those who are most adamant about lynching me. If I flip red, then risk and bunneh got some 'splaining to do.{ This last statement is really odd, If you are town then there is no reason to bring it up. This seems like a scum slip to me but why say you might be red if you are scum... | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Hacklebeast Chocolate Skrammen Zanfada hyshes Drem903 Skrammen Chocolate Ciryandor Toadesstern xsksc Zanfada HarbingerOfDoom Toadesstern hacklebeast IMABUNNEH risk.nuke Currently nobody has reached majority. Please let myself or erandorr know if you've noticed a mistake. The deadline to vote is 02:00 GMT (+00:00). One hour remains in the day. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 01 2011 09:39 IMABUNNEH wrote: TL will be down for extended maintenance in 06:20:29. What do? Shouldn't be down for too long I don't think. If need be, the night will be extended. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On November 01 2011 09:25 risk.nuke wrote: Why the wagon is on skrammen and on nobody else is because Ciryandor voted for him. Ciryandor have been trying to take a leading role and taking charge of town. Ciry have been tring to establish himself as one of the better players. And his been pretty pro-town. That's why this post is so suspicious because it's shit in and Ciry should know this. I know it's a shitty case, BUT I'm NOT very surprised people jumped on it, and that he's now the guy who's probably going to get lynched. Why? Because NOBODY has built a similar case profile for anyone else they want to lynch. People here are too scared of having a proper read-through of a player and impeaching them on it. Nobody has put together a summary of why they think Toadesstern or Zanfada or anyone else for that matter is a good lynch. Also, two of the six votes on im are from the guys who are most likely to be lynch targets if he wasn't there. That's self-preservation activity right there, and I can't blame them for doing that. | ||
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