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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Also, I'm voting for chocolate. I still think it's a bit strange but I don't like that fosing around like a mad man. Could have been someone else who did so. He just turned out to attack me and since I know I'm not mafia that does sound a bit strange to me :p I'm at university right now, will be back in 4 hours so maybe we got something out of this when I'm back. ##Vote Chocolate | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On October 31 2011 17:31 Toadesstern wrote: Times mentioned in this thread from hosts are in TL-time I guess? So saying day will end 03:00 means 3:00 tl.time right? Since there's nothing else I'm guessing so but would like to get a yes on that It's 3am BST, at least thats what the OP says for me. In the UK we just switched from BST to GMT the other night, so I'm a little confused too. I think the deadline is 2am GMT, TL time is 9 hours ahead of GMT so deadline in TL Time would be 11 am. I could be wrong here and hopefully the host will correct me if I am. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On October 31 2011 18:13 xsksc wrote: It's 3am BST, at least thats what the OP says for me. In the UK we just switched from BST to GMT the other night, so I'm a little confused too. I think the deadline is 2am GMT, TL time is 9 hours ahead of GMT so deadline in TL Time would be 11 am. I could be wrong here and hopefully the host will correct me if I am. There's a way to format a time so it automatically appears in the regions people set their tl accounts to, so it's in your local time. | ||
hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
##vote Zanfada | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
##vote Skrammen Toad im sorry to hear that you are suspicious of me, but I think its just due to communication errors more than anything else. I did note suspicion on you at first but I withdrew once you explained your reasoning. Once again, you can look back at my posts to verify. Zanfa has my suspicion but not enough yet to warrant a vote. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Currently the deadline is 04:00 CEST (+02:00), but that is subject to change. found it, so that makes my question earlier useless | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
On October 31 2011 07:20 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: In the interest of getting some other possible discussions going... Skrammen has now doubled his post count, using his first to say good morning and his second accuses someone for trying to stir up discussion with a vote "so soon", as well as a preemptive excuse for not being active: The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on. So FOS on Skrammen for now. Ah. Well, you see I was only trying to clarify some things so they are clear. I did not however, encourage it. + Show Spoiler + The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on. I think we both might be talking without saying anything now; both of these things are quite obvious, yet we both had to say it. What I said was just that; A head's up just in case people did not know. Honestly I think this is pretty bad grounds for accusations. I still maintain that a vote 4 hours into the game is pretty suspicious, but not enough to be convinced he is red. + Show Spoiler + I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that. What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day. On October 30 2011 22:54 hacklebeast wrote: Show nested quote + Unnecessarily trying to start a town panic? Baseless accusing people that, under your own admission, have no evidence against? Sounds like very mafia things to do. I'm not going to go so far as to cast my vote yet, but I'm watching you. Besides, I could never have committed the crime. Gmarshal I could take or leave, but killing ponies? I don't have it in me to take out something this lovable. I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point. Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now. This is his answer to why he did it, and to be honest, it worked, he got stuff going which is good. I will be keeping an eye out, but at this point his reasoning seems good enough for me. As you said earlier, delaying discussion is indicative of scummy behaviour, or perhaps it might not be? An elaborate ruse? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I actually did not want to vote for chocolate but I'd ve loved to see those reactions from people about that who are already suspicios. first of all Unvote## Chocolate What do you people think about hyshes and risk? Risk is the one I'd like to see make a couple posts since he basicly said nothing and I don't know anything about him. While hyshes... I don't know, could be anything :p | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:53 Toadesstern wrote: sadly noone made a statement about my vote ;( I actually did not want to vote for chocolate but I'd have loved to see reactions from people who I think are suspicious about my vote :/ first of all Unvote## Chocolate What do you people think about hyshes and risk? Risk is the one I'd like to see make a couple posts since he basicly said nothing and I don't know anything about him. While hyshes... I don't know, could be anything :p that first sentence just made no sense, fixed it and hopefully it's clear what my intention was. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
That kind of tomfoolery reeks of someone trying to be "too obvious" to me. I've got a couple of hours to make my vote still, but for now, FOS on Toad. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:55 Toadesstern wrote: that first sentence just made no sense, fixed it and hopefully it's clear what my intention was. It's the time of day for most people. I'm about to sleep, so I'll miss around 8 hours of discussion, but I feel that Skrammen has been able to coast by the most, and next to that would be Drem903. Putting pressure on him and explaining my vote to follow: ## Vote Skrammen Skrammen's first game post is a greeting, nothing wrong there, but it's fluff to make sure he doesn't get modkilled. On October 31 2011 05:40 Skrammen wrote: 4 hours into the game and you go on and try to stir some discussion up? He wasnt the only one who had said nothing up to that point, why did you choose him? It seems a little bit... Dodgy to use a vote to pressure someone into talking more so soon I think. And just a head's up: Since we have people from both sides of the pond in this game there is bound to be somewhat of a delay in answers and people might be working or sleeping when some discussions takes place. We should be somewhat tolerant of this, but obviously 24 hours of no posting is not good. Now here he looks at Zanfada's early pressure and thinks it's scummy to randomly highlight someone, when it's actually good town play to be non-discriminating; then proceeds to state the obvious that certain conversation delays are going to happen simply because of timezones. On October 31 2011 23:10 Skrammen wrote: Ah. Well, you see I was only trying to clarify some things so they are clear. I did not however, encourage it. + Show Spoiler + The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on. I think we both might be talking without saying anything now; both of these things are quite obvious, yet we both had to say it. What I said was just that; A head's up just in case people did not know. Honestly I think this is pretty bad grounds for accusations. I still maintain that a vote 4 hours into the game is pretty suspicious, but not enough to be convinced he is red. + Show Spoiler + I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that. What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day. On October 30 2011 22:54 hacklebeast wrote: Show nested quote + Unnecessarily trying to start a town panic? Baseless accusing people that, under your own admission, have no evidence against? Sounds like very mafia things to do. I'm not going to go so far as to cast my vote yet, but I'm watching you. Besides, I could never have committed the crime. Gmarshal I could take or leave, but killing ponies? I don't have it in me to take out something this lovable. I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point. Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now. This is his answer to why he did it, and to be honest, it worked, he got stuff going which is good. I will be keeping an eye out, but at this point his reasoning seems good enough for me. As you said earlier, delaying discussion is indicative of scummy behaviour, or perhaps it might not be? An elaborate ruse? Here in this post he's very much guilty of pointing out something that works towards the scum-team's advantage, and that is to have fluff conversations regarding people who merit suspicion, but not applying enough pressure for him to actually do a vote. Three posts, two on a very weak FoS, just enough to evade proper scrutiny. I think this is worth my vote. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On October 30 2011 11:27 Drem903 wrote: Whoever killed GMarshal must hate friendship, quite a bit.. and ponies. He is probably the worst type of scum to ever exist. On October 30 2011 13:48 Drem903 wrote: using extensive analysis, and some complex theory. I have decided to blame xsksc for the murder, because his name is impossible to pronounce, I see a parallel with the last mini game, where scum wanted to jump the gun a bit using some very speculative reason to create an FoS on someone; but in this case this is tempered by the fact that he did not vote on xsksc. Then when he realizes nobody really bit his bait: On October 30 2011 15:39 Drem903 wrote: If you're telling the truth that you're name really is just a random assortment of levels, then i will no longer blame you. I had assumed that you were possessed by some kind of devil, hence the inhuman name. He plays it off as an attempt to stir conversation... On October 31 2011 00:53 Drem903 wrote: The thing with xsksc was pretty much just a joke to try and get the ball rolling. The only person that has really garnered any suspicion from me is bunneh, and that's only because his posts seem to be "posts for the sake of posting" rather than trying to really get anything dones. He only seems to post to try and appear active. Then goes on the offensive after someone does commit to a real vote on a person. On October 31 2011 01:19 Drem903 wrote: Are you able to change you're vote after you have voted? If you're not able to change you're vote, then we also have to be very suspicious of zanfada. We both randomly chose a person to try and encourage discussion, but he actually voted. If you can't change you're vote, then that seems suspicious to me, as he seems in a hurry to lynch someone (anyone). If you can change you're vote, then it's no big deal, but it's still something to consider. After that post, he basically leaves the suspicion on Zanfada, which by now looks good enough for other people to lynch. On October 31 2011 05:36 Drem903 wrote: Zanfada also has not posted at all since his initial accusation, so he should also be one to consider for now. I will let you judge on whether it's worth examining. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
I think his moves have been shady since the beginning. First tries to get the important figures to revel themselves (not explicitly, but if a lurker suddenly started posting significantly after it would give mafia a good clue), then follows it up with a lot of talk about the necessity to kill lurkers. To top it off he fingers chocolate only to rescind his vote after no one else follows suit. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 01 2011 01:26 IMABUNNEH wrote: Originally I had the idea that Zanfa sounds scummy. I still think that. HOWEVER I don't like Toad's most recent posting. He said in the original vote for Chocolate that he didn't like the way he was throwing FOS around, and is now backing off for a pretty weak reason. What did you expect to get out of that Toad? Someone bandwagoning or someone trying to defend him or what? That kind of tomfoolery reeks of someone trying to be "too obvious" to me. I've got a couple of hours to make my vote still, but for now, FOS on Toad. basicly my point is, that I don't like it, but given the fact that this is a beginners game for now I went with his explanation. However Voting for choc (for me) was easy after that, so I wanted to get a vote on him to observe peoples behavior. You know, someone changing his mind out of the blue just to get a vote on someone. That would have been pretty scummy and I know my last 2 or 3 posts sounded strange, that's why I did them :p I don't mind looking a bit weird from time to time if that's getting us a couple results. Mafia can't really kill me right now, because if they do and I flip green town gets massive amounts of information from previous posts since I was a topic the last pages. Same with zanfas, that is if he turns out to be green. I still don't like what risk is doing here: nothing. If he's not going to make a vote and is going to get modkilled that's fine with me (not really but I can't do a thing about it), however if he showes up sometimes soon and does NOT get modkilled I want a pretty damn good explanation for what he's doing. Scrammen seems to be a bit strange while I did not think about Drem until now, will take another read. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
##vote Skrammen Just to get this clear since at least I did not know last game: It's not a simple majority vote, we need 7 people to vote on someone or it's a no-lynch. Having 4 votes on someone and 8 votes spread out is not going to get the guy with 4 votes lynched. | ||
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
His only notable post just recounts information that everyone should know (though some may not have read the thread too carefully and could've forgotten). Although i feel the need to point out, that SKrammen did call out Zanfada for being hasty to vote (even if he could later rescind the vote). If they were both scum, then it wouldn't make sense for them to call suspicion upon one another. Zanfada also hasn't posted in a while, and the only notable parts of his posts were: asking the blues to post more frequently (though not to identify themselves), and to defend himself from hacklebeasts own accusations. So, the people i'm currently very suspicious of are: SKrammen and Zanfada. When i get more time to really look at everyone's posts this might change, but it's just those 2 for now. ##vote Zanfada | ||
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:28 Drem903 wrote: sorry, quick edit to bold by vote. Try not to do it again. Thanks /Warning | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
Mafia can't really kill me right now, because if they do and I flip green town gets massive amounts of information from previous posts since I was a topic the last pages. Same with zanfas, that is if he turns out to be green. I think this sounds like you're already getting reasoning behind not being killed. You jump around a lot and most of your posts seem like you're going out of your way to let people know you're totally town. Other people look suspicious, but to me this looks like a balls out attempt to control the game yourself among newer players. For that reason... ##Vote Toadesstern | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Hacklebeast Zanfada Chocolate Zanfada hyshes Drem903 Skrammen Chocolate Ciryandor Toadesstern Toadesstern hacklebeast IMABUNNEH Currently nobody has reached majority. risk.nuke, HarbingerOfDoom, xsksc, and Skrammen, have yet to vote. Please let myself or erandorr know if you've noticed a mistake. The deadline to vote is 02:00 GMT (+00:00). A little over 7 hours remain in the day. | ||
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