Closed Casket Mafia - Page 33

On July 01 2011 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Cool

I have all faith you will prove your loyalty by shooting BC.

Doesn't mean we won't lynch you.

On July 01 2011 01:50 Caller wrote:


tldr: No reason for me to do any of the things I did if I were 3rd party short of suiciding myself, so unless I'm a fucking Village Idiot there's no way I'd do this. RoL is lying about being hit. On top of Fishball's guilty this means he is mafia. Lynch all liars and all that.

On July 01 2011 02:56 Caller wrote:
shit

fuck guys my bad, Fishball and BC are both mafia.

I totally lied about my abilities. I have TWO shots, not one. I was waiting for somebody to bumble into the trap I had laid, but I didn't expect BC to do it.

I'm going to prove it by shooting BC tonight.

On July 01 2011 03:25 Caller wrote:

what are you talking about

I have said since night 1 that I have had one shot and that I used it to shoot GMarshal. BC says that he asked Ace using his "lie detector" role to see if that it is true that I had one shot and used it to shoot GMarshal. He claims to have gotten a "true" result.

Except that I actually have two shots. Therefore, it is impossible for BC to have gotten a true result. But he doesn't know I have two shots. I'm vigilante and I know I have two shots. I kept one of my shots as an ace in the hole, and claimed I only had one shot. BC fell for it and said that his role says that I only have one shot. I however have two shots. And it is very easy for me to prove it. By shooting BC.

If BC is telling the truth, he won't die, because apparently I only had one bullet and I used it on GMarshal. However, if he is lying, then he will die.

Consider the following circumstances:


Obviously impossible.


Then BC doesn't die, and I'm just someone who had 1 KP and already used it. In other words, I can't be mafia, because they have infinite shots.


Then BC will die. And You will see that tomorrow.


If we were both mafia, I would be unable to shoot BC. So he wouldn't die.

Mafia have two options: either shoot someone, or shoot nobody, or shoot BC. They can't shoot BC because he is mafia, but lets say they do somehow. Then the end result is the same as if they shot nobody.

Now let's say they shot nobody. BC dies. If he were telling the truth (which he's not) then that means mafia must have killed him, and that I didn't. Which in turn confirms me as 1KP role. If he was lying, then he should be dead anyways for lying, and nobody will miss him, except mafia.

And if they shoot somebody else-well, should be obvious what this implies.

On July 01 2011 03:40 Caller wrote:

Explain your reasoning for that, please. I've already shown that regardless if BC is telling the truth or lying, I'm clear.

On July 01 2011 03:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


No you haven't. You support lynch all liars, then apparently have continued to lie all game? I have proven you as a liar via my role. You just believe I am red and are trying to get me killed. Claiming this "hit" of yours in thread however would now give all night anti town kp roles a place to shoot. If you are town like you claim I will die and no one else and you will be proven a liar. If I do die as well as someone else, it proves I lied, but it does not clear you as a vig as with such a small setup town would not have two vigi's (1 being decon 1 being you) as that would be more town kp in a single night than mafia. In which case you would be proven red or sk.

So you claim I am lying, I now claim you are lying. As such only one of us can be right, but regardless of if I die it proves you are not town, whereas me living proves that I am in fact truthful(barring mafia stacking with you"kill")

On July 01 2011 04:01 Caller wrote:
Yes I lied. I openly admit it. But it doesn't matter. I can lie as much as I want, but once you die tomorrow I am 100% proven clean town. Even if I lied to do so. No reason to lynch proven town at all.

Also, Fishball MUST be lying. If BC dies by himself (meaning only person that dies tomorrow is BC), first, I'm proven innocent as seen above.

On July 01 2011 04:13 Fishball wrote:
I was typing up a reply regarding to RoL's big post, but since he is dead, it would be pointless to argue with a dead man.

Anyways, RoL has been trying to discredit me due to the fact that I claimed, repeatedly calling it a retarded move, even though I had already explained why. Claiming blindly is never a good thing, no matter what role, but a well timed claim definitely has its merits.

If you guys reread my post, my claim was definitely not just about RoL, but the entire Mafia team. I've explained my every thought in detail, and how I came to those conclusions. If I had not claimed and just made the analysis, most likely a lot of arguing back and forth (including "those" that support RoL) would occur, resulting in unwanted chaos. RoL had tried to fight to survive, but as you can see among his arguments, holes were everywhere. My claim has the ability to seal the lynch much faster and rid of most of the useless crap. I can't lurk forever, especially when the number of players go down steadily. I saw this as a great opportunity to make a move, and I did.

RoL also says that by me claiming, it ruins the ability to analyze the lynch. That is not true. LSB and ILJ haven't responded to my post of accusing them, yet they were quick to jump on the vote train without showing much. This might not necessarily mean anything, but it is still a point of interest for people to look at.

Now I've said that unless BC is a Godfather or the sort, he is Town, based on my check and his posting behavior. BC also claims that he is a Lie Detector, and vouched for what I had claimed about my abilities are true. Now from a uninformed Townie point of view, these two claims won't mean jack unless publicly proven. That's understandable. However if one of us lies, both of us would be viewed as Mafia. That's two free kills. I doubt Mafia would be that gutsy.

If there are any roles out there, still alive, that can reveal the alignment of a dead player, I suggest them use that ability on RebirthOfLeGenD right now, or during Night if it is a Night ability. That would be the best case scenario.

Worst comes worst, if I can't prove my role besides BC words, does it really means I'm a fake? I've made all my arguments as transparent as possible. LSB, VisceraEyes, and ilovejonn are all strong Mafia candidates, do you think I would be lying just to further paint these people red?

Next Night, even if I don't die, I expect to be role-blocked. Although the thought that no one has come forward claiming they have been blocked is making me skeptical whether this role exists in the game or not. Even if they do block me, they can't do it on consecutive Nights. Regardless, if I die, I expect the Town to be looking at LSB and VisceraEyes, especially LSB, he would be my next lynch candidate. If Medics decides to keep me going, I'll obviously try to provide the Town with whatever information I can get my hands on.

Best case scenario: RoL's alignment is revealed and Town rolls from there.

That's pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell. If any of my arguments look slightly scummy in any way or form, point it out and question me. I'll answer them.

On July 01 2011 04:21 Jackal58 wrote:

???? How?

On July 01 2011 04:24 Caller wrote:

did you not read

BC telling the truth: I had 1 KP and it was used up. Therefore I cannot kill BC, therefore, I am not mafia. Either the mafia will kill him, or he will not die. If I were mafia, I would have infinite KP, as I had already said.
BC lying: He is mafia, mafia cannot shoot other mafia, I shoot him with my 2nd (and last bullet), he dies, therefore I am not mafia.

On July 01 2011 04:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


As a general note, caller is lying in this statement. Mafia can shoot their own members, so me dying would reveal nothing on callers alignment. If two shots happen, he is likely sk, if 1 shot happens and its not on me, he is a 1 shot vig as I claimed.

On July 01 2011 04:28 Caller wrote:

and how would you know that mafia can shoot their own members?

On July 01 2011 04:22 Caller wrote:

the timing of this post that completely ignore my remarks yet seem to acknowledge BC's for some reason is another thing. Clearly, Fishball was anticipating for BC to make this post before I jumped in. Now, how would he know BC would make that post?

I know.

Do you?

On July 01 2011 04:31 Caller wrote:
EBWOP: Let's say mafia can shoot their own members. First of all, they can't. Second of all, if they do, you admit that you are mafia. Then, sure, I may no longer be 100% confirmed, but what kind of mafia will bus not one but TWO of their members? Especially when they were in the middle of an otherwise impossible to break scheme that would allow them to run town around in circles?

On July 01 2011 04:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



Really? You want to go there?

Ace, can you come confirm in thread as you did to me in a pm all of 5 minutes ago that Mafia can indeed shoot their own? Or may I post the pm?

As for you saying I am red, I am proving you a liar at the moment. You say what Mafia would bus two of their own in this scheme when either of the players in question could be third party, town, mafia. We could have all 3 on this board. You don't account for many situations and skew the facts to confirm yourself. Without any flip of my role you are not proven at all. Without your flip you are not proven. You have claimed killing ggq, gmarshal, claimed 3 different roles, and are now claiming i am lying about my blue claim.

However my ability caught your one truthful claim in amongst all your lies. Just accept that and move on. Nothing confirms either of us but death and a flip. Or perhaps a cop could check you next.

On July 01 2011 04:44 Caller wrote:

i don't need to account for many situations and the facts are straightforward enough. Who cares if I'm not proven. I'M FUCKING CALLER. All that matters is that you die tonight (as you shall) and Fishball dies tomorrow. What happens afterwards, I no longer give a damn. Town can lynch me for lying, sure. But if they do stupid shit like that, after I literally saved town from being led around in circles like a fucking top, and hand them two mafia, well, ok.

I'm done arguing about this. Once again, BC tonight, Fishball tomorrow, then you guys can go ahead and string me up on effigy. I've already shown I'm not 3rd Party, I've already shown why BC's "claim" basically makes most of the "situations" impossible, leaving me almost certainly not scum, and I'm handing you two very dangerous mafia. And I'm shooting first. If you still don't believe me and listen to the "BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS OR THIS OR THIS OR THIS OR ONE OF ANOTHER THREE HUNDRED NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE SITUATIONS" wifoming spamming mafia instead, well, I hope you lose. Because I'm in this to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And I'm all out of gum.