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On the topic of freeloader: I don't think he would be mafia off of his initial question. Having played a previous game as mafia, mafia members are explicitly aware of the fact that they are allowed to PM one another meaning that he would not need to ask that question in the first place. Given that he said that "he read the rules twice", there is no reason to believe that he would not read his role PM as closely. Many people have concluded that his responses to being put under pressure are suspicious, but I don't think so. If anything, a mafia member would not want to put themselves under increased suspicion with cryptic statements - they want to hide, not increase the chances that they will be caught out. This, however, is not as strong as the first reason I had said above. Judging based off of day 1 analysis will never be entirely solid, however, the people that jumped the gun to vote for freeloader are more suspicious then freeloader himself. | ||
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On June 05 2011 13:38 Jimbooo wrote: @aprudds Wow, nice observation. I dont know if hes just someone with a question or what, but I dont want to make hasty decisions and accidentally lynch someone that we shouldnt lynch. This establishes his desire to not make a 'hasty decision'. But then, he immediately votes for freeloader at 13:52. A pretty 'hasty decision' in my opinion. Then, when people start questioning the lynch of freeloader, he becomes defensive. On June 05 2011 14:09 Jimbooo wrote: There is still 48 hours left, no one knows who is going to end up getting lynched and I'm not saying free loader is INDEFINITELY Mafia. So far he just has the most against him is all I am saying. Just because someone has the 'most against them' doesn't mean that its the correct decision. Indeed, this seems to immediately contradict his assessment of not being hasty. On June 05 2011 14:57 Jimbooo wrote: Thinking about this , I am sort of happy I can unvote. But that doesnt change freeloaders suspiciousness. With his last post , I do think he is alot more shady , but I dont want to point fingers. Like I said in one of my posts , I dont want to be hasty and lynch a townie , but there is 48 hours left. Now he leaves a back-out plan. This post smacks of defensiveness and typical mafia behavior of "i don't really want to lynch this person but I'm still voting for him." In my opinion, its to look back later to show that he never really wanted to lynch freeloader. On June 05 2011 15:13 Jimbooo wrote: I guess I was just quick to vote? idk, its possible to change votes so I wouldnt say its a mistake , but once freeloader was that suspicious I just felt it was a good time to vote. Same as above. When put under pressure, he immediately 'backs out' of his decision. On June 05 2011 15:45 Jimbooo wrote: I have to say, it probably is better to not vote until your sure of it and wont change your vote , but as of now I'm keeping my vote as is. Same as above. On June 06 2011 01:08 Jimbooo wrote: I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. This takes the cake, he accuses other people of being hasty, when he was one of the first to vote for freeloader. Now that more people are defending freeloader, he backs out and unvotes to not look suspicious for later. I would like to hear Jimboo's response to these accusations, but I think he is extremely suspicious at the moment. | ||
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On June 06 2011 11:02 cherubael wrote: + Show Spoiler + Good luck have fun! Cherubael's right, I'm not liking freeloader625 at the moment... This and the comment on the inactivelist is the only relevant information 35spike1 has posted. This leaves him off the list, but he seems to have nothing relevant to say. This seems a little suspicious, so I think that keeping an eye on him would be a good idea, though I wouldn't say he's scum...yet. Wait until after this day to start accusing lurkers of being suspicious or what not. After the first day, voting lists will be drawn up and inactive/lurker lists will be drawn up as well. When that happens we can pressure them - ask them what they think of the situation and why they voted for X. Lurkers have a high chance of being mafia but also a high chance of being a blue role as well. | ||
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On June 06 2011 23:59 Kurumi wrote: Oh,about voting: People who voted on freeloader625 and not switched(ever): cherubael teamsolid grush57 People who voted on freeloader625 then swtiched: Treadmill(vote->unvote->vote again) Drazerk -> Treadmill Jimboo -> unvote Lafali -> unvote People who switched on freeloader625: Benjef Treadmill -> freeloader I will try to dig why they have voted on freeloader/changed their votes/dropped the case. The scummiest guy? As for now,it would be Lafali;gtrsrs case is the thing I will get into in a quick moment,because there's a bit of content to analysis,but mostly when "weaker' player attacks "stronger" player it is overeager Townie versus Townie. I posted my analysis on Jimboo earlier - I want to see his response and his explanation for quickly turning around despite advocating for restraint. If he doesn't respond with a sufficient response then I will definitely vote for him. As to Lafali, I don't have a clear read on him at all. He's posted a couple of one-liners and a single defensive post as well. Not enough for any serious analysis. In any case, I believe that Jimbooo is definitely the stronger candidate. | ||
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On June 07 2011 00:19 Kurumi wrote: Oh also guys,does day end in like 40 minutes? We need to lynch someone in Free's place,God damnit. This way I will get into Treadmill's case now and ask for DT check on gtrsrs at night. I think it ends based on EST which means that we still have another 12(13?) hours to go. | ||
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On June 07 2011 03:34 iGrok wrote: Because, as I noted in that post, I wasn't sure. Combined with Jackal's testimony and Kurumi's abrubt change in play, I'd prefer a DT check on him. You know, exactly what I said in that post Hmm. As amazingxkcd has already noted, a DT check wouldn't reveal much about Kurumi. If Kurumi were mafia, he certainly would be selected as the godfather given that the mafia select amongst themselves on night one who the godfather is. Therefore, regardless of whether he is or isn't mafia, we still will have no clue on Day 2 as to his alignment because he could have been town-aligned to begin with, or switched to town-aligned through his godfather powers. | ||
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Therefore, I will be voting to lynch Jimbooo for this day given that I explicitly lined out my arguments against him and he patently refuses to answer them. | ||
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On June 07 2011 03:52 iGrok wrote: Usually the GF has to be chosen by the end of D1. I would be shocked if Kurumi was chosen as GF, because a GF would NOT risk being lynched D1 - thats just crazy. According to the rules page, the godfather is selected on night one meaning that the selection of the godfather will be influenced by this day's discussion. And yes it would be pretty crazy to select Kurumi as GF, but the godfather is always a more experienced and active member of the thread and given that we don't see too much of that from anyone. Surprisingly though, Kurumi's response to my post makes me believe that him becoming GF (if he is mafia of course) is not likely to happen. Any thoughts? | ||
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What do you guys think about Jimbooo considering now that he has turned around from actively participating to avoiding the thread after being called out? | ||
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On June 07 2011 04:05 amazingxkcd wrote: Remember this is a newbie game, so they seem suspicious but that analysis does raise some questions about him. However, what are your thoughts on the other suspects in the current debacle? As to the whole Kurumi situation - I am totally undecided. The erratic nature of his posts makes me want to reserve judgment until further turns. I do, however, agree with his assessment that gtrsrs is an overzealous townie. Unless a user has a history of being aggressive, tunneling onto a more active player at the beginning of the game generally indicates more town-aligned play considering that mafia members want to 'play the field' and hide among the popular consent. Saying that, I don't think his arguments against iGrok are very strong at the moment. Judging by his initial attack on iGrok: On June 06 2011 16:04 gtrsrs wrote: here is my scum hunt you post haiku's in a game where posting anything more than necessary is distracting and derailing you try to find the town's blues so that the mafia can know what they're up against the one thing that the town has as an advantage is that the mafia doesn't know our PRs and here you are spelling the info out for them even if you're not mafia, your two biggest contributions so far are anti-town everyone i encourage you to ##vote: iGrok and watch how he (and others) react as the votes pile up. putting the pressure on someone is a good way to find mafia. watch the people that come to defend him and how they do so and then when he flips red, go after them next i.e. the accusations are that (1) iGrok has been distracting (which has not been true in my opinion especially as day 1 has continued) and that (2) he guessed how many of each role there would be. But if that were true, why would he post that in the general thread, couldn't he just post that in private communication with the other mafia members? This doesn't mean that iGrok is or isn't mafia, but just indicates that gtrsrs' arguments do not have much weight. | ||
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On June 07 2011 04:16 Jackal58 wrote: Impervious???? Bah. Obviouscum. Or it could mean that he's a veteran :o). | ||
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On June 07 2011 04:21 Kurumi wrote: GUYS GUYS We need to get a proper lynch moving. I think we should discard gtrsrs and freeloader.(They will slip if they're mafia) We're really undecided who to lynch. There has been no real case against anybody and I'd rather stay with my Treadmill vote. The bad part about Treadmill's lynch is the fact I am kind of pushing for it and You don't want to listen to me (despite two people I believe) I strongly suggest moving votes from freeloader. His lynch will give us nothing. I see a couple of problems with the Treadmill vote. Quoting from your initial accusation of Treadmill: On June 07 2011 00:36 Kurumi wrote: So let's compare CrjNinja's thoughts here and Treadmill's here The thing that is seen from the very beginning is that Treadmill's post lacks colours,while Crjninja takes stance about some people and calls them town or scum. Treadmill's expressions about people are really vague:
He does not understand cherubael's case,but does nothing to defend/talk about it at all. He looks like he has strong believing on grush57,but does make any move to prove us that he indeed slipped Mafia. Are we going to lynch someone on day 1 on the basis that their posts are vague? Considering that this is day 1, nearly all posts would be vague in that sense since we have little information to base any accusations off of. Treadmill has been a bit wishy-washy as you say as well, but he has stuck to the freeloader vote (however, misguided that may be) meaning that he is not afraid to put himself in the line of fire (which a mafia would want to do). At the very least, he is contributing more which means that we can analyze his later posts - any drop off in activity during a period of pressure would be highly suspicious. I think that Jimbooo is a better candidate for the lynch at the moment given his complete reversal. He is even more 'vague' as you say in his posts and reverses his decision at the first moment of opposition indicating his desire to please. Furthermore, since he hasn't responded to any of my accusations yet has been on TL, hes intentionally avoiding this thread for a reason. | ||
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On June 07 2011 05:16 Jimbooo wrote: Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Ok, just answer a couple of questions. (1) What convinced you that freeloader was not a mafia after you had voted for him? Was it the defending that other people had done for him? (2) Why didn't you respond to my initial analysis of you when you had clearly posted in other threads? (3) Sort of related to (2), but why has your activity dropped off substantially from your initially bright start? | ||
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On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote: You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408 Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. | ||
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On June 07 2011 09:30 Jackal58 wrote: I want to encourage all of you to think critically and independently.I have seen to many games where town herp derps themselves into oblivion by following one individual. If you have misgivings and doubts about my analysis on rookie by all means bring it up for discussion. If you believe you have found a better alternative by all means bring it forward. Its a bit difficult to cast doubts on your opinions when you respond to people like this: But I think that's irrelevant at the moment. In my opinion, rookie44 sounds more like a new user who has been picked on for something he is entirely unaware of. Your argument is that he is clearly blue-fishing by asking for clarification on strategy. But how would that work? It seems like he is asking more to the expert players in the game as to how he's asking for more generic ideas as to how the detectives and other blues should act. It is not conclusive as to whether he is genuinely asking for how the game should be played or whether he is actually fishing for blues. In any case, I think that we have a stronger case against Jimbooo simply because of his change in posting behavior from the moment that he started the game until now. I am not convinced at all by his answers. | ||
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On June 07 2011 21:36 35spike1 wrote: Everybody is bad during the first few days, we don't have enough content to get anything solid. Jackal is stll in the clear IMO. He just got unlucky, and everybody jumped on it. The weird thing is, why did everyone jump on it? I'm going to continue to hammer on Jimbooo here. Just when I was building up support for a Jimbooo lynch and had put some pressure on him, the vote got hijacked to focus on rookie instead. People seemed to slide right pass the Jimbooo issue and dismissed him as a new person despite my very clear reasons to vote for him. | ||
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On June 07 2011 08:28 Vain wrote: Ok, i guess you're right. His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. So with that my vote will also be on Rookie for the sake of voting. 4 hours remaining but i'm going to bed so my vote is final. Goodnight What is this? If anything, this is the softest justification I have heard yet about voting for rookie. One minute (see my earlier post) he does a post-by-post analysis of rookie and concludes that rookie "doesn't ring his scum bell" and the next, he decides to lynch rookie on the basis that "he doesn't contribute". There were a couple of other candidates who had a significant body of evidence against them (Jimbooo, Drazerk, amazingxkcd as well) and yet Vain votes for rookie on the basis that rookie doesn't contribute and that freeloader isn't a viable option. | ||
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On June 08 2011 22:07 Treadmill wrote: Okay, final thoughts: First, I get a bit less precise and coherent towards the end, sorry about that. However it is his earlier posts that I feel are more convincing, anyways, tthe ones before he started to get accused. So, top 5 reasons that amazingxkcd is mafia: 1. posting a lot but not saying anything, really. 2. getting very defensive on receiving almost any attack 3. the rookie44 lynch 4. straw-manning; lying about the content of other people's arguments 5. the rookie44 lynch again - the first time for how it happened (the timeings of votes, the scurrilous arguments) and the second time for howit ended, how xkcd seemed to just not care about whether rookie was guilty, how he never considered the possibility that he was wrong or that rookie was a blue, and how he completely stopped engaging with the issue after a certain point. I am very agreeable to lynching amazing for the reasons you have provided above. Good work. What do you think about the other people who voted for rookie though: (Jackal58, Kurumi, Senj amazingxkcd, kairo, vain, jimboo, alderan, tdAdonis, Sprungjeezy)? In particular I still think jimbooo is very clearly mafia and amazingxkcd's defense of him (in part 1 of your mega-post) reaffirms that the mafia are trying to push aside any effort to lynch jimbooo. | ||
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On June 07 2011 05:56 Alderan wrote: Wait so you're saying instead of voting for new players being dumb you suggest us to vote for a player who has never played before on the forums (admittedly so) for suggesting that veteran players toss out potential strategies? Sure it's a LITTLE scummy, but until I see some elaboration on your "very subtle in fishing for blues" I'm going to have to disagree with you. Initially he disagrees with Jackal and argues that there is no evidence within rookie's post of role fishing - note the severe skepticism in Alderan's post. But then, a little while later, he reverses his opinion after a large number of people vote for rookie. On June 07 2011 09:55 Alderan wrote: I will be voting for Rookie based on his answers to being called out. While I don't think he is the highest percentage (I'd give him about 10%) chance of hitting a scum, I think that he will do nothing but waste a DT or a future and more costly lynch if he remains in the game. Honestly there are a couple people I'd like to vote for, but the decision is made infinitely more difficult based on the fact that all the ones in question are likely only in question for being new to the game and very lazy. If we have to hit a town let's make it a lazy scummy looking one. ##Vote Rookie44 First off, this is extremely problematic. Why would you ever vote for someone on a 10% chance. It is very likely that, Alderan knows that rookie clearly is not mafia and uses this statement as an excuse to make a sort of 'I really didn't want to lynch him but I didn't'. He ignores the pushes to lynch other people on the basis that "all the ones in question are likely only in question for being new to the game and very lazy" - but there was significant evidence a number of other people who were also quite lazy and scummy and would "do nothing but waste a DT or a future and more costly lynch if [they] remains in the game." Considering that Alderan initially found no reason whatsoever to vote for rookie and then gives him only a 10% chance of being mafia, I find this highly highly suspicious. | ||
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On June 09 2011 00:13 iGrok wrote: I stopped here. So you completely skipped me fighting with Kurumi? Back to reading. You know what, I'm done. I'm sick of defending myself against ridiculous tunnels. I'm sick of not being given credit for helping out newbies and pointing them towards good town play. And, I'm sick of being accused of being GF every time I defend myself. Cya. The problem I have with you iGrok is that I agree with the assessment that you have been quite passive on the first day. I defended you against some of the accusations made by gtrsrs (which weren't particularly strong at the time), but GGQ's analysis and Sprungjeezy's attacks has opened my eyes to how passive you have been. Obviously you've spent alot of time defending yourself and certain other players, however, you did not accuse a single other person of being mafia with the exception of a "let the DT investigate Kurumi" and also your throwaway vote for Drazerk: On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote: Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). Of course, its very easy to focus on someone who only voted twice - but remember that focus was being thrown other lurker ways as well (Jimbooo). But other than that, iGrok has been very timid in putting his head on the chopping block and accusing someone. Today, after some of the attacks from other people, you accuse gtrsrs who has been conveniently attacking you all game (whom you know is already dead-set against you) and so is a very easy target for you to alienate. Otherwise, you have been generally very afraid to alienate people and very afraid to make solid accusations against other people: especially those that voted for Rookie. I want to hear your analysis of amazingxkcd and i want to hear your current verdict as to whether he is scum or not. | ||
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On June 09 2011 04:21 Senj wrote: Back from lunch and it's time to finish up my thoughts on Jimbooo. Spoiler: Aprudds post calling out Jimbooo for hopping on both the bandwagon votes. Page 30. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 09:59 aprudds wrote: @rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler + Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. His last post on Teamliquid was a vote for rookie45 on June 7th. He didn't give any post explaining his reasoning for rookie. Well shit. I was looking forward to digging deeper in to this, but there's nothing left. Where are you Jimbooo? I've been calling out Jimboo since here, but aside from a brief cameo appearance where he couldn't respond to my questions, he has been nonexistant as compared to his earlier activity which was far more enthusiastic. | ||
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On June 09 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote: Since You're ok with lynching lurking people who vote without any explanation/shitty explanation are You agreeing with me on vigi shooting grush57? I don't think grush57 is scum though. His justifications have been really bad, but at least he is attacking certain people. Look at his accusation of gtrsrs - why would he do that? There was no heat on gtrsrs at that moment whereas mafia members want to slip unnoticed and draw attention by attacking others. Plus, this post doesn't sound like a mafia response at all: On June 09 2011 02:01 grush57 wrote: Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me. Sounds to me alot more like a bored green than a mafia trying to cover their tracks. | ||
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On June 09 2011 13:10 amazingxkcd wrote: [/list][/SPOILER]Sorry Guys, I will finish your analysis tomorrow, been working on this for the last 8 hours. [*]Kairo + Show Spoiler + [*] omgCRAZY + Show Spoiler + [*] gtrsrs + Show Spoiler + [*] iGrok + Show Spoiler + [*] tdAdonis + Show Spoiler + [*] aprudds + Show Spoiler + Finals Thoughts I have listed my reasoning for most of the players, but because of the time involved in doing I will finish the last few people, though they know who they are. I am 100% confident that my analysis is spot on and 100% confident that people who read this will agree with me. Only you mafia scum have anything to fear from reading. Because of this report, I have decided my vote and I will do a TL:DR version of this report as well soon ##:Jackal58 Did you post up your thoughts for these people yet amazingxkcd? I would really like to hear your thoughts on iGrok considering that he is the other person of extreme suspicion at the moment. | ||
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On June 08 2011 21:42 iGrok wrote: Haven't read it yet, but I'm going to go ahead and nominate Treadmill for the "Best Rookie (no pun intended) Award". Hats off to you, doing analysis like a boss, standing up for what you think, and making really good reads on people (like the aforementioned Rookie). Funny, this is the only time that iGrok ever engages the analysis being done on amazingxkcd. Considering that he spent quite a large period of time answering arguments against himself and implies in this post that he will read Treadmill's analysis, I feel that iGrok is unwilling to reveal his stance at all on the amazingxkcd issue. I want to specifically hear from iGrok whether amazingxkcd is scum or not on the basis of the evidence brought up by Treadmill and other posters. | ||
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On June 10 2011 02:20 Alderan wrote: Here is kind of a new line of thinking let's see what everyone thinks. I have a feeling that it is safe to assume that either iGork or Jackal is scum (based on xkcd's huge analysis above I'm going to go with iGork). I think we keep the vote on xkcd for the simple fact that the case against Jackal is much stronger than some people give it credit for. Let's give Jackal/iGork one more day to slip up. Whats the downside? Sure if either is maf they are probably GF, but it's not like they have inherent kp, and framing is not going to be the biggest deal because no one is going to claim after night 2 (or shouldn't). Moral of the story: Keep votes on xkcd and don't over look Jackal while tunneling iGork . Let's wait for one of them to make a mistake. Hey Alderan, since you are here right now (I hope), would you mind some of the accusations I made of you here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=40#785 ? I am particularly curious as to your 180 degree switch from opposing the rookie lynch to supporting it. Vain also performed a similar switch-around but I am prepared to cut you a bit more slack considering your recent activity and your accusations of xkcd (compared to Vain's lack thereof). | ||
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On June 10 2011 02:44 Sprungjeezy wrote: That bolded part is very important in my case against iGrok, and would like everyone to read it and then my analysis on iGrok. As for XCD's analysis, I take it with less than a grain of salt as he has a lot of votes himself and would probably say anything to get people to not vote for him, yet instead of defending himself he throws blame other places. I feel it is important to stay focused on iGrok and not be distracted. I agree that we shouldn't stop discussion, but right now the votes are pretty split between iGrok and XCD and I am really pushing to get iGrok lynched today and XCD (or Jackal or Treadmill) tomorrow, but I feel it is most vital for iGrok tonight and right now posts from both Treadmill and XCD have been to get our attention shifted from iGrok while iGrok ceases to post in an attempt to "play dead so the bear walks away". Exactly. iGrok hasn't been really pushing for lynching for anyone - preferring to remain in the background. In day 1, he gives a throwaway lynch target that he knows won't be lynched considering the evidence against other players like Jimbooo and other lurkers as well. He refuses to be drawn into the rookie debate - and on day 2 - very noticeably, he praises Treadmill for his analysis, but refuses to pass judgment on xkcd's case. iGrok doesn't want to be forced to make a judgment because he knows that he would be caught in an awkward position if he were to do so and so has disappeared. Another person that i heavily suspect now is Vain for the reasons outlined by GGQ and also my analysis here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=39#766 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=39#773 | ||
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You first post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=28#554 concluding that Jackal's analysis of rookie was not sufficient. I'm cutting this out of your post here: On June 07 2011 07:39 Vain wrote: It was true that he was asking for information but proposing that we should have a strategy doesn't really ring a scum bell for me. Then later, you switch your vote to rookie roughly an hour later saying: On June 07 2011 08:28 Vain wrote: Ok, i guess you're right. His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. So with that my vote will also be on Rookie for the sake of voting. 4 hours remaining but i'm going to bed so my vote is final. Goodnight Only roughly an hour passed between these two posts. During this period, rookie had not posted and no one had brought up any new reasons as to why to vote for rookie.Yet you vote for rookie on the basis that: "His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. " That in no way is a justification to vote to lynch someone. Simply because they didn't contribute should not justify a vote and considering that there were other candidates with significant evidence against them (which you seem to ignore), it seems highly suspicious that you jump right to rookie's vote when you earlier argued that he "didn't ring your scum bell". | ||
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On June 10 2011 10:14 teamsolid wrote: Wow guys.. this is one of the scummiest posts I've ever seen. Wishy-washy, apologetic, and leading no where. Ends off with a random useless vote. I'd say this post is far more incriminating than anything Amazing or iGrok have posted so far. Combined with analysis from Amazing (whom I believe is likely DT), I'm switching my vote to Jackal. iGrok just seems disgruntled now, he's still on the list for potential GFs, but I still think it's nowhere near solid. I agree. But it seems to implicate both players (iGrok and Amazingxkcd) since he could easily vote for either regardless of his alignment. Considering that most people support lynching either candidate, he could have thrown his vote to either side without attracting suspicion at all. | ||
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On June 10 2011 10:20 Jackal58 wrote: I voted for Aril to make a point. You guys are smarter than a toothbrush. Figure it out. His posts consist of: a defense of freeloader. | ||
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His posts consist of a defense of freeloader. A "sorry I can't vote now" (votes for Kurumi). A really weird description of his scripting tool. And a vote for you. Very scummy. | ||
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In that game, he posted without fear, pointing out logical fallacies in other people's arguments, making witty comments (often one-liners), and accusing other players freely. This game, however, he is far more cautious and reticent in all of his posts. Note that he only ever speaks about the players most hotly debated at the moment and only throws small support behind lynching one of the candidates. In fact, the only matter which he seems to strongly support is iGrok's innocence. The first point of suspicion against him is here: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote: Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). iGrok puts him on the top of his don't lynch list yet Vain had not been too particularly active in that period. My second point of suspicion (and my strongest one) is my earlier post against him: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 10:04 TranceStorm wrote: @Vain. I'm not particularly concerned about your defense of Lafali. My question regards your vote for rookie on day1. You first post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=28#554 concluding that Jackal's analysis of rookie was not sufficient. I'm cutting this out of your post here: Then later, you switch your vote to rookie roughly an hour later saying: Only roughly an hour passed between these two posts. During this period, rookie had not posted and no one had brought up any new reasons as to why to vote for rookie.Yet you vote for rookie on the basis that: "His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. " That in no way is a justification to vote to lynch someone. Simply because they didn't contribute should not justify a vote and considering that there were other candidates with significant evidence against them (which you seem to ignore), it seems highly suspicious that you jump right to rookie's vote when you earlier argued that he "didn't ring your scum bell". I had done this earlier in the thread where I had questioned him regarding why he voted for rookie when he had declared an hour before that rookie wasn't particularly suspicious. His reasoning in the thread was that he "hadn't contributed anything at all", which is a poor reason to lynch anyone. He has still yet to explain his reasoning behind the rookie lynch and I find that damning. The third point comes from this quote, which Vain belatedly posts near the end of yesterday's lynch: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 09:43 Vain wrote: So basing off this i would believe very strongly Kurumi is town. There was no real reason for him to attack lafali this hard on day one. The plan could have easily backfired. Also i'm not sure about iGrock now but i can't get one thing out of my head. Remember the whiteboard iGrok posted? why the fuck would you have such a thing if you are mafia? I just can't believe he just painted arrows that had to be right just to give us an insurance he was town(otherwise hats off to you iGrok). Furthermore the list pleads for Xedat for him emphasizing kurumi thought lafali was scum. And as last this puts a bit of suspicion on Trancestorm for diverting to jimboo. you may conclude some other things from the list but it gets more and more speculation on the way(was it all setup or not). Now last but not least my vote goes to jackal. I believe iGrok or jackal have to be scum. There has to be at least one experienced player in the mafia camp in my opinion. I have my doubts about iGrok but i feel jackal has more things against him(saving lafali) so my vote will go with him. You make your own choice, it would be very bad if we bandwagoned in a short time again. This post is enormously confusing, but boils down to two arguments. Vain doesn't think iGrok is mafia because he drew up those diagrams (a very weak argument), and Jackal is probably mafia because he saved lafali (a valid one). Yet note the hesitancy in this post. Vain votes Jackal on the basis that he is a better candidate than iGrok rather than on the basis that he really thinks Jackal is the mafia. Vain's carefulness is really different from his free-posting behavior in his previous game which makes me think that he is definitely mafia. It would be extremely prudent to pressure Vain on his vote on rookie and on his reasoning for his continuous defense of iGrok throughout the game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 11 2011 12:11 TranceStorm wrote: I'm assuming that quite a few people will be posting their "in case I die thoughts". I will be doing the same right now by declaring my extreme suspicion for Vain. Looking at his previous game history, he played in Slightly Normal Mini Mafia I. In this game, he was the doctor and aided greatly in the town's victory. Notice that in that game, although he was accused of lurking and was a heavy lynch target throughout the day, he responded to the pressure placed upon him very well and helped the town win. In that game, he posted without fear, pointing out logical fallacies in other people's arguments, making witty comments (often one-liners), and accusing other players freely. This game, however, he is far more cautious and reticent in all of his posts. Note that he only ever speaks about the players most hotly debated at the moment and only throws small support behind lynching one of the candidates. In fact, the only matter which he seems to strongly support is iGrok's innocence. The first point of suspicion against him is here: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote: Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). iGrok puts him on the top of his don't lynch list yet Vain had not been too particularly active in that period. My second point of suspicion (and my strongest one) is my earlier post against him: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 10:04 TranceStorm wrote: @Vain. I'm not particularly concerned about your defense of Lafali. My question regards your vote for rookie on day1. You first post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=28#554 concluding that Jackal's analysis of rookie was not sufficient. I'm cutting this out of your post here: Then later, you switch your vote to rookie roughly an hour later saying: Only roughly an hour passed between these two posts. During this period, rookie had not posted and no one had brought up any new reasons as to why to vote for rookie.Yet you vote for rookie on the basis that: "His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. " That in no way is a justification to vote to lynch someone. Simply because they didn't contribute should not justify a vote and considering that there were other candidates with significant evidence against them (which you seem to ignore), it seems highly suspicious that you jump right to rookie's vote when you earlier argued that he "didn't ring your scum bell". I had done this earlier in the thread where I had questioned him regarding why he voted for rookie when he had declared an hour before that rookie wasn't particularly suspicious. His reasoning in the thread was that he "hadn't contributed anything at all", which is a poor reason to lynch anyone. He has still yet to explain his reasoning behind the rookie lynch and I find that damning. The third point comes from this quote, which Vain belatedly posts near the end of yesterday's lynch: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 09:43 Vain wrote: So basing off this i would believe very strongly Kurumi is town. There was no real reason for him to attack lafali this hard on day one. The plan could have easily backfired. Also i'm not sure about iGrock now but i can't get one thing out of my head. Remember the whiteboard iGrok posted? why the fuck would you have such a thing if you are mafia? I just can't believe he just painted arrows that had to be right just to give us an insurance he was town(otherwise hats off to you iGrok). Furthermore the list pleads for Xedat for him emphasizing kurumi thought lafali was scum. And as last this puts a bit of suspicion on Trancestorm for diverting to jimboo. you may conclude some other things from the list but it gets more and more speculation on the way(was it all setup or not). Now last but not least my vote goes to jackal. I believe iGrok or jackal have to be scum. There has to be at least one experienced player in the mafia camp in my opinion. I have my doubts about iGrok but i feel jackal has more things against him(saving lafali) so my vote will go with him. You make your own choice, it would be very bad if we bandwagoned in a short time again. This post is enormously confusing, but boils down to two arguments. Vain doesn't think iGrok is mafia because he drew up those diagrams (a very weak argument), and Jackal is probably mafia because he saved lafali (a valid one). Yet note the hesitancy in this post. Vain votes Jackal on the basis that he is a better candidate than iGrok rather than on the basis that he really thinks Jackal is the mafia. Vain's carefulness is really different from his free-posting behavior in his previous game which makes me think that he is definitely mafia. It would be extremely prudent to pressure Vain on his vote on rookie and on his reasoning for his continuous defense of iGrok throughout the game. Vain's response has even further made me suspect that he is definitely mafia. He posts this just a page back justifying his vote for grush: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2011 05:40 Vain wrote: I would also go for grush at this time. I'm reading the thread again and i can't find much more than 2 line posts. But this could of course be his way of playing mafia so look at the facts. Voted for freeloader and unvote Did not vote on Rookie44(gtrsrs) Voted for amazingxkcd His reasoning for the votes is also a bit off. A few quotes now and then wouldn't hurt. Oh and btw gtrsrs. why do you start a post with "man treadmill your 100% scum scum scum scum fucking scum. And then: oh well don't mind that we'll just lynch Vain and grush57. And what the fuck. Derailing the thread with telling we probably have 7 scum? Really? That's not town play in my book. I would have labeled that as scum play if i weren't convinced you were town. i will post now before kurumi goes flying mad with his lurker obsession. We have still 27 people in the game where a lot of people don't post that well thought out post Note that on the topic of grush he says "I'm reading the thread again and i can't find much more than 2 line posts". Here he reveals that he has been reading the thread, and has been looking at specifically what grush has done. But what about the accusations of himself? Vain has clearly indicated that he has read the thread and the accusations against himself but refuses to answer them. Given that as I have noted before, Vain has defended himself well in previous games, but has given no effort to doing so. One of the stumbling blocks to the case that Vain is mafia is the fact that he voted for Jackal in the last lynch when he could have easily voted for amazingxkcd. But I think that both Aril and Vain voted for Jackal during this period precisely because they (wrongly) saw that amazingxkcd was leading the lynch at the moment (teamsolid was previously voting for amazingxkcd). Given that they knew that amazing was not mafia, it was convenient for them to vote for Jackal (after all, we can't expect all of the mafia voters to be in the same voting block). This at least is my theory. Feel free to argue with me here, but I will be voting for Vain because his behavior and continued dodging of accusations outweighs his voting behavior for me. | ||
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On June 13 2011 08:41 Vain wrote: Ok, i went trough grush57 posts again. Most of them are just reactions or agreements of people so i am not going to post those. Grush57 is calling igrok scum. This was irr before he was in alot of danger so this pleads for him Read this again. Grush isn't calling igrok scum, he's defending him given that he's responding to an attack on iGrok and saying that "which could also mean he is a blue". Then he says "Not saying whether iGrok is mafia or town/blue", and concludes by articulating that isn't actually defending iGrok "Inb4 grush57 is trying to defend iGrok, he is scum!", when he actually is. In the mean time, would you mind responding to the numerous accusations against yourself? You seem to be selectively responding to accusations against grush instead of yourself. Also, given that the day vote is ending soon, pick out a candidate and give good reasons for voting for them, I haven't seen you strongly support a lynch all game. I've only seen you defend iGrok and grush, so please, I would love for you to make a vote and back it up now. | ||
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On June 13 2011 09:02 Vain wrote: Several pages later he changed his mind and agreed he wasn't blue either. I'll vote when ill see fit and don't make it seem there have been strong cases against any player yet. We lynched 1.5 times a blue so you go ahead and make a very strong case on a scum. But if it turns out to be a blue you stop playing this game forever ok? Btw, i also thought voting for jackal while igrock was alsmost about to be lynched was a huge scumtell. but i just really hoped you didn't notice Please link me to where grush ever accused iGrok of being mafia (or in fact agreed that iGrok was not blue). In fact a quick search of grush's posts with reference to iGrok (hooray for search function!) reveals that he always defending iGrok and suspicious of the people who bandwagon against iGrok. In the meantime, I notice how you haven't responded to the accusations against yourself yet again, please do so. | ||
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On June 13 2011 09:22 Vain wrote: there, now do your own research without a stupid search function. now accusing of what, not voting on scum? guilty as charged but you have to come with more than that. Ok, I stand corrected on the quote issue. (That still doesn't clear grush by any means - he's only saying that iGrok probably isn't blue). But when I'm talking about accusations I mean responding to the following posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=52#1022 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=58#1157 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=61#1212 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=65#1286 Especially considering that the last of the set of 4 posts is just 2 posts above one of yours and is on the same page where we have had such a nice conversation, it looks to me like you are dodging the accusations against yourself. | ||
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I quoted my own posts a couple of times because you happened to 'skip by them' multiple times so I called you out asking you to respond multiple times. Only when I have finally pinned you down here have you finally responded to any attacks against yourself. So lets look at your responses: Post #1: Ok, so you voted to lynch rookie on the basis that it was a 50/50 and you didn't want to investigate anyone else further. That sounds fishy by itself, but I won't press the issue here. Post #2: The first thing you miss in that post is that I compare your current behavior in the thread to that in your previous game. (the first two paragraphs) There was a complete different between the way you posted in the beginning of this game and Slightly Normal Mini Mafia I. Only now, have you become more active in your postings. Is this because I called you out? Now onto the subpoints:
2. Same as Post #1. 3. My argument was that you were extremely hesistant and unwilling to associate yourself with either side. You seemed extremely unsure and unwilling to accept responsibility for your vote which piqued my interest as you seemed to wish to 'hide'. Post #3: The key issue in this post was not GGQ's accusations. Its Pyo's collection of your posting history. A key thing to note is that you had not expressed a strong opinion on any issue. You had not advocated for a lynch or advocated for a plan or what not. In fact the only consistent thing in your posting history was your constant defense of iGrok and your suggestion that he not be lynched. Post #4: This is where I accuse you of dodging accusations. I called you out repeatedly, and judging by the fact that you say you read back on grush's posts, I expect that you must have read those posts. Why did you delay responding until I forced you to respond? The reason is that you have been trying to hide and dodge those suspicions. Don't say that I am dodging accusations, when I am repeatedly calling you out. | ||
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On June 13 2011 11:40 Treadmill wrote: Hmm. I hadn't seen that iGrok added Vain to his "experienced player list" despite not really being experienced. Considering I've been doubting the grush57 vote a little its enough for me to switch. Yep, right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=19#377. Which is funny considering that Vain was modkilled in iGrok's game. | ||
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On June 13 2011 12:07 Munk-E wrote: REAAAAAAAALY sorry guys but i am very sick, I can't make analysis right now, and I promise to do it later. I predict a couple of responses like this will pop up in the next 45 minutes :o|. | ||
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On June 14 2011 02:18 teamsolid wrote: This post by AwesomeAll one of the mafia who was modkilled decreases my suspicion for Treadmill and Vain. I don't think he was planning to get mod-killed and he knew that Grush was about to be lynched so that was a safe bet. However, there's no reason to throw any of his remaining 2 mafia buddies under the bus before the lynch has even happened yet. Thus, I'm going to say that Treadmill and Vain are both town. I was absolutely convinced that Vain was mafia because he always defended iGrok (and likewise) and due to his hesistant voting pattern (saying, I will go for grush at this time and then changing his mind), but this makes me rethink. My issue is that if Vain were not mafia, we would clearly have seen more support for his lynch from the mafia to take pressure off of grush and due to the evidence against him. Yet amongst the 5 people who voted for Vain, 4 of them voted for iGrok making them most probably town. If Vain were not to be mafia, that would indicate that the mafia didn't make any effort to save grush and themselves. Given this, and a host of other arguments I have published earlier, I still think Vain is mafia - but I will be doing analysis of the other players who didn't vote for iGrok. | ||
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Blackone: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 06:47 blackone wrote: Ok, I see how that's useful. Before the voting incident on rookie 44, xkcd was posting a whole lot of nothing. Seeming kind of active, but not really accusing anybody. The only thing of notice he did was his little skirmish with kurumi. After that, when attention was starting to be focused on him, he defended himself by arguing about insignificances and attacking people that attacked him. People aren't satisfied and he posts his giant ass analysis of everybody except iGrok, where he spends thousands of words paraphrasing every single post in this thread, managing to not defend himself in 200,000 words or whatever it was. I do believe that iGrok is probably gf, but since a lot of that case revolves around him trying super hard to be a good townie while the roles of townie and gf are hard to seperate from the outside, and gf could be also very well be jackal or somebody completely different, I think we have a stronger case on xkcd. That's why I voted for him. And kurumi, I appreciate your effort calling possible bandwagoning mafias out, but seriously, wtf. There's no way to appropriately respond to your accusations (mainly „HAHA YOU ANSWERED THAT MEANS YOU'RE SCUM). Especially your pseudo(?)-“i'll shoot you“-roleclaim. I have no idea how you could think that's useful. Very interesting statement here. Blackone justifies his vote for xkcd over iGrok but also says that "I do believe that iGrok is probably gf" and has a pretty convoluted reason for preferring xkcd. Given that targeting the godfather should be a higher priority than regular mafia, this seems a quite suspicious to me. However, this could be Blackone's way of saying "both are suspicious, but I think xkcd is more so" (I thought that way too, but I thought iGrok was more so). Aprudds: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 09:18 aprudds wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 08:36 supersoft wrote: lol, you and grush, you two are so obviously scum. Now you try to be serious and talk something smart etc. - Acting as if everything is normal and giving some nice advices isn't enough. Neither one of you even tryed to convince us, that someone other than you is guilty. I don't understand this logic. Because I'm not pushing the blame on someone else I must be scum? Because I'm trying to be constructive I must be scum? Please be more clear with your accusation so that I may properly defend myself. + Show Spoiler + Aprudds, I did not mean overall, but now. You made a post, so You're present here and You could write something nice(Thanks for talking a bit about the.. The Points. Yeah. A new name for The Plan.) And yeah Supersoft. It is colorful. I misunderstood you, apologizes. I am currently trying to sort out my feelings on all of this. On one hand we got the godfather and are on a good road to winning. On the other hand I haven't been so dreadfully wrong with the people I thought were suspicious. XKCD turned out to be blue, jimbooo green and jackal green. Looking back on their posts I would have still thought them as scum. I can't help but doubt my judgments and am no longer confident in anything. Why would Xkcd vote for jackal even though the vote for him was so close? After he flipped blue I thought it meant that he inspected jackal night 1 and he was framed. But if he was framed why would he say he's the godfather? Nothing makes sense. Another thing that was bothering me is the two lists. Both days we got a blue killed (or almost killed) as apart of the lynch. When day came I was going to post this list of names. treadmill Senj Kairo Impervious Alderan These people voted for both xkcd and rookie and I was very confident these were the 5 scum. But day came and Impervious flipped blue completely crushing my theory. They could be scum but then again I could be wrong, like all the other times I was wrong. I know I'm being wishy washy and not firmly stating a stance, but all the previous times I've done it this game I've been wrong so I hesitate singling anyone out. I ask anyone in confidence in their analysis like to look into those so I can get a second opinion. Aprudds is very hesitant in voicing his opinions and prefers to base his votes off the accusations of others. He makes a few excuses as to why he hasn't been giving much analysis (he was wrong in the past - but even if you were wrong, you shouldn't stop doing analysis). His vote for grush was on the basis that "grush didn't defend himself". Not too convincing of a justification. On the other hand, grush did vote for him so things might be thrown off. Munk-E: He hasn't posted very much, but when he does, he usually gives off very in-depth accusations of specific people (lafali, xkcd). His excuse for not posting analysis on day 3 is fishy and he could have backstabbed his own teammate on d1 knowing that no one would pay too much attention to him on day 1, but that looks remote. heist: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2011 18:39 heist wrote: It's easy to say that Treadmill's analysis is dead wrong in hindsight. I can completely understand defending iGrok at that point in time. I personally wanted to avoid another bandwagon lynch. And you guys have to admit that you were presenting a very biased analysis which if looked at in another light could have just as easily held iGrok as townie. Don't know if it was iGrok's plan but I felt bad for the guy getting tunneled so hard haha. Anyways I'm willing to admit I was wrong, but looking to our lynch, I also think grush57 is our main candidate. Bandwagoned freeloader early on, has mostly useless posts, and I feel like he voted for amazingxkcd as soon as he felt "safe" to do so (after Treadmill posted his defense and voted for amazing) Heist was one of the earlier people to vote for grush. Given that only 5 members of the mafia were alive and that losing one would reduce their killing power, I don't think mafia would backstab their teammates at the beginning of the day in those circumstances. | ||
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On June 16 2011 01:42 blackone wrote: I was wondering why Mafia killed Pyo last night, because he didn't do anything eye-catching, so I went through his last posts to see if he FoSed somebody new or anything. Didn't find much though, the only piece of interest was that he considered Munk-E to be most suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 01:39 Pyo wrote: A post by TheAwesomeAll in the mafia ban list. From this post it would seem as though mafia like to wait till the last minute to place their votes. Considering lafali also tried doing this (but was too late), I think it might be reasonable to assume that mafia might be doing this as a general policy. Looking at the voting, there are only 2 people who have been consistently waiting until the last hour to vote: freeloader and Munk-E freeloader did vote for iGrok, so I'm a little less suspicious of him, but if you combine the late posting with his lurking and his post history, I think Munk-E might be one of the remaining mafia. post history: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - lafali Day 2 - amazingxkcd Day 3 - grush57 analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll goes after lafali long analysis of amazingxkcd excuse for not posting This post by iGrok also adds further suspicion in my opinion. For one, it reveals that Munk-E's accusation of lafali came at a point where a lynch of someone else was inevitable and lafali was about to get modkilled. Also, it is curious that iGrok would respond to this post. Otherwise he only found freeloader (same post) and heist (+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=67#1333 It might not be a lot but it solidifies Munk-E as out prime lynch target imho. Basing lynches off of who died the previous day is never too great a policy given that mafia could have killed to: (1) remove someone who suspected them or (2) cast suspicion on another person by killing a person who had suspected them. We should stick with the amazingxkcd list since it is far more conclusive than any possible realizations we can glean from debating about Pyo's death. | ||
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As per Treadmill's accusation of Alderan - I made a similar attack on him which he responded to with this: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 03:01 Alderan wrote: It was really one of those situations that I said, "I don't think the evidence is as strong as everyone thinks it is can someone clarify" then someone clarified a bit and I said "well it makes more sense but let's see how rookie defends himself". Rookie then came out with a very halfhearted answer like he didn't really care, so I assessed the situation that either he is a lazy mafia or he is a worthless townie that is going to have doubt surrounding him all throughout the rest of the game, so I figured even if we were wrong, it wouldn't be as big of a loss as it could have been. I completely missed a blue read in any of his posting, I only got either lazy town or lazy maf. This answer doesn't reveal anything about him to me, so getting Munk-E is the best choice for the town right now. | ||
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As for me, the results show how I constantly picked the wrong guy - my only right pick was on iGrok. Given that I thought that Jimbooo, xkcd, and Vain (sorry haha) were strongly mafia at different points of the game and totally missed out on other players, I feel like I'll need to play few more games haha. | ||
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