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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 26 2011 20:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 17:53 bumatlarge wrote:
Foolishness is obvious because of his connections with ace and what not, but I wouldn't say he has been scummy. Kita has been mostly a nonfactor this game, totally lurkish. Maybe I just haven't been paying close attention, but he seems like a good mole candidate. I pointed out to the thread that tnkted claimed to be picking the busdriver, which led to his alignment check. I was the first person to call out Caller when everyone else was convinced he was town. I also was one of the few people who tried to push Calller for a role claim. How am I a good mole candidate? GM should use his alignment vote check. Role checks won't be much help at this point.
Agreed. Frankly I see you as unlikely to be the mole as your activity and pro-townness has gone quite up since the beginning of Day 3. I think you were targeted for lynching by mafia somewhat during the game as well, but I'll have to go back and check through.
Role Checks are still helpful in some scenarios, but useless in others. Depends on Callers alignment and role.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 26 2011 19:28 Radfield wrote:
Foolishness, in the interest of being clear, do you think I have been mafia from the start of the game, or are you saying you think I'm the mole, because those are very different accusations. Also, you seem to be insinuating that my activity level has dropped since the start of Day 3, when I have posted far more than any other player since that point in the game.
As far as our plan moving forward, it depends entirely on which way and what Caller flips.
I think you have been mafia since the start of the game. As I have said many times already, I was very perturbed by how you forced Scamp to claim inventor in the thread day 1, as that was 100% beneficial to the mafia. Furthermore, I find it so hard to believe you are the bulletproof, because you did nothing day 1 to try to get the mafia to shoot you (which is your sole purpose for picking that role). Now I do realize that you're Radfield and dying night 1 is God's reason for bringing you to this forum, but you did not do anything to perceive yourself as a threat to the mafia, and you're posting just did not seem to insinuate you had the town's interest in mind. I thought you were just about as helpful to the town as Incognito was.
At the moment though, you being mafia means Ace and yourself faked the whole conversation about him role checking you. I don't think you could have faked that chain of events as you did. So no, I'm not going to be pushing to kill you anytime soon. Perhaps I just expected more out of you this game (but it's not really fair for me to say that considering everyone feels the same way about me).
Also, I think the best scenario would be if Caller flips mole =P
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Facts:
 econ flipped town
econ claimed he went for Bulletproof, but got vanilla, therefore, someone above Decon took bulletproof, or Decon lied for a very strange reason.
*The only players left alive above Decon are GMarshal, Radfield and Caller. GMarshal is the confirmed M2DT(Police Radio). Therefore either Radfield or Caller are Bulletproof.
*Ace(mafia) rolechecked me and came back with Bulletproof, which he then tried to twist as a reason to cast suspicion and doubt on me.
Why do you find it so hard to believe I'm bulletproof? Because I didn't claim some other random power role in the thread to try to draw a hit on Night 1? Fact of the matter is, I don't actually need to do anything out of the ordinary to draw hits, this has been shown time and time again, not to mention I actually wanted to play the game past Day 2(which has only happened once before). I can almost guarantee, if ace had not role checked me night 1(which already shows he thought I was a threat), then I would have taken the hit instead of Barundar on night 2.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I forgot that Deconduo said he tried to take bulletproof. It's pretty clear at this point that, yes, I was wrong about you, even though I thought your posts were ??? throughout the game. Glad it's all straightened out now.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Also, I never forced Scamp to claim. I never even addressed a post to Scamp as far as I remember, and I certainly never encouraged him to claim. I gathered that scamp was inventor, and posted in thread(in brackets) that I thought he was the inventor. This has two effects: makes scamp know that I am holding him accountable, and lets medics know who is the likely inventor(mainly to hold him accountable though)
If you look back at PYP1(or maybe PYP2?), I did the exact same thing to YOU when I thought you were the compvig. Everytime I wrote Compvig(foolishness) I would put your name in brackets. I never addressed a post to you, or encouraged you to claim, but I let you know that I knew you were the compvig, and that if anyone random died during the night, you were next for lynching.
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United States22154 Posts
Yes, but you being bulletproof proves? Role =/= alignment, roles are all about how you use them, a DT reporting results of red proves he isn't mafia. A bp who dosn't take hits? Proves nothing, its non-conclusive. While I agree that Ace's attack on you makes you seem more town, that could be the intent, in fact if you are the mole then Ace's actions make perfect sense, cast doubt on you so that later when he dies you look better. Do I think its likely? No, I don't. but at this point in the game we cannot afford to discard possibilities. Not if we want to stand a chance of winning.
As for who I want to lynch tomorrow, kita and Eiii are both targets that merit consideration, both are heavy inactives that are going to be hellish to analyze later on, as they have few posts. Foolishness, I'm glad to see you stepping up your game.
As far as my list check, I'm considering using it on todays vote list to see how many mafia we have to worry about. Do people find this idea agreeable?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I never said being bulletproof made me a townie(it doesn't), I simply said that there is no debate whether I actually AM bulletproof or not.
As far as lynching tomorrow, that depends entirely on what caller flips. Hunting for the mole is very different from hunting for mafia.
I think using your list check on today's lynch is a bad idea. The mole now comes up as being mafia, so we KNOW how many reds will show up on the list. Either 1 or 2, depending on if Caller is red or not.
I think you should check one of the old lists, in an attempt to narrow down the mole(assuming caller flips red). Either way though, we have to see Callers flip before we set our plans in stone.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
As long as deconduo said he took bulletproof there's little point in arguing about it. If Radfield is indeed the mole, why would Ace check him night 1? That doesn't seem to add up so I think Radfield is in the clear.
And I agree that GMarshal should check an old list in an attempt to narrow down the remaining mafia. If we could confirm 3 people or show that the mafia is in a pool of 3 people it'll make it that much easier for us.
Also, Infinitestory said Eiii is the "same" as him. Wasn't this on day 3 when he would have turned up "different" if Eiii was mafia?
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United States22154 Posts
On May 27 2011 04:40 Foolishness wrote:
As long as deconduo said he took bulletproof there's little point in arguing about it. If Radfield is indeed the mole, why would Ace check him night 1? That doesn't seem to add up so I think Radfield is in the clear.
And I agree that GMarshal should check an old list in an attempt to narrow down the remaining mafia. If we could confirm 3 people or show that the mafia is in a pool of 3 people it'll make it that much easier for us.
Also, Infinitestory said Eiii is the "same" as him. Wasn't this on day 3 when he would have turned up "different" if Eiii was mafia?
Completely forgot about that tbh >_____>
nvm then Eiii is in the clear.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I'm not sure when the check was though. Will need to verify that he's safe. At least it rules him out of being mafia.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
No, Eiii was checked night 1. Night 2 IS checked himself and got 'same'. Day 3 IS was killed and never got a 3rd check, so Eiii could still be the mole. He could also still be the godfather assuming Caller flips green.
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Does GM's list check work retroactively? Would he be able to find a mole on a list from day one if he checks it tonight?
If we're gonna have GM use his power on earlier lists we might as well make sure it works  GM I think you should check the KillerSOS vote from day two. It has Eiii, me, Radfield, and Kita. I think we can all agree that Bum and Chaoser will be cleared barring Caller flipping town. Foolishness isn't checked using this list so Chaoser should check him. Am I leaving anyone out?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Either the KillerSOS list: Eiii, Meapak, Radfield, Kitaman
Or the Barundar Day 1 list: Radfield, Bumatlarge, Meapak, Kitaman
I think I like the second list better because Bum is mostly confirmed non-mole at this point, and will probably be targeted by the mafia/mole. That means we can narrow it a bit further right off the bat.
Mind you, GM isn't confirmed either, so any list check is somewhat suspect until he is cleared. On that note, it would be best for Chaoser to check GM and any protective roles to protect either Chaoser or GM(heavier emphasis on Chaoser). That leaves Bum on his own, but better that then lose our dt roles.
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I will do my best with my checks guys.
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Also Caller saying I'm a liar and then never coming back to defend himself paints him as 100% mafia in my books. My check will come out right!
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On May 27 2011 08:28 Radfield wrote:
Either the KillerSOS list: Eiii, Meapak, Radfield, Kitaman
Or the Barundar Day 1 list: Radfield, Bumatlarge, Meapak, Kitaman
I think I like the second list better because Bum is mostly confirmed non-mole at this point, and will probably be targeted by the mafia/mole. That means we can narrow it a bit further right off the bat.
Mind you, GM isn't confirmed either, so any list check is somewhat suspect until he is cleared. On that note, it would be best for Chaoser to check GM and any protective roles to protect either Chaoser or GM(heavier emphasis on Chaoser). That leaves Bum on his own, but better that then lose our dt roles.
Wow Radfield was that your 1000? Gratz. Anyway I guess the list check is up to GM, I don't see why we would want to include Bum in it when he is pretty much confirmed but either way the list check will get you, me, and Kita who all need to be checked. The reason I favor the first list over the second list is because it gets Eiii as well. And yeah, medics really need to be on Chaoser.
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United States22154 Posts
I'll just throw this out there, for those who doubt my lists. My list from day 3 was confirmed by the police radio, as is my role. You would think that if I were mafia I would have lied about that list and saved Ace, no?
Either way if chaoser wants to check me tonight he is more than welcome to. I'm sure it will set some people's minds at ease. I'd much rather he check one of kita or Eiii, but its up to him.
As to which list I'm going to check its between the Day 1 Barundar and the Day 2 KillerSOS list. I'll decide which privately in an attempt to keep the framer (if he exists) from influencing anything. Maybe its just me being paranoid, but the idea that the mafia failed to grab a godfather role seems preposterous to me, I would think it would be a high priority role for them...
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
You misunderstand GM. I don't think you're mafia, but I'm saying you could still be the mole. I don't think you lied about any lists at all, but keep in mind that last night(first night as mole) you did not use a list check, and instead role checked foolishness. Since the beginning of Day 3 you haven't necessarily done anything super pro-town(I haven't actually checked though, so correct me if I'm wrong).
Frankly I don't even particularly suspect you as mole right now, but I know it's a possibility and as such should be thought about.
Also, I've gone through Ace's posts, and here's a brief synopsis of the important bits regarding players still alive (In chronological order):
*Attacks Radfield and Incog repeatedly Day 1/2
*Counter attacks Dreamflower(Meapak) after she calls out Ace
efends Chaoser, likens it to the attack on Barundar
efends Foolishness
efends Chaoser a second time
efends Chaoser a third time and instead pushes for KillerSOS as Day 2 lynch
*Questions GM's listcheck validity and asks why he is still alive.
*Pushes for Caller to Role Claim(which he never does)
*Spends 4 or 5 posts pushing me as suspicious for not dying
*Claims he has proof that Bum is scum
A couple interesting things. First, ace most definitely defended Chaoser when the pressure was getting put on him when we had OriginalName, Chaoser and KillerSOS all on the ropes. Second, I'm not sure how anyone could think I'm the mole(or mafia) after the amount of attacking Ace did at me this game. I'd guess at least two dozen posts by ace are either trying to discredit me, put suspicion on me, or downright calling for me to be lynched. Judge for yourselves, but once Incog dies he pushes very hard to lynch me.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Oh god, I didn't preview....
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Alright, I've been thinking about it today and I'm pretty sure it's best for me to claim since I'm probably about to become pretty much useless. I'm the role cop, I checked Caller last night and got vanilla-- just like chaoser. Our role checks matching up makes me believe his alignment check is correct, so Caller is definitely scum as far as I can tell.
Role checks aren't very useful when you're looking for a mole though (assuming there even is one) so I guess I'll just confirm/figure out the remaining players.
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