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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 27 2011 00:27 GMT
#1781
Great, we know we have a role cop out there somewhere since GMarshal was checked on the police radio. Unless someone counter-claims, Eiii is confirmed non-godfather and non-kp role which is important if Caller flips green or flips and doesn't have a killing role(NRA).
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 27 2011 00:28 GMT
#1782
On May 27 2011 09:14 Radfield wrote:
You misunderstand GM. I don't think you're mafia, but I'm saying you could still be the mole. I don't think you lied about any lists at all, but keep in mind that last night(first night as mole) you did not use a list check, and instead role checked foolishness. Since the beginning of Day 3 you haven't necessarily done anything super pro-town(I haven't actually checked though, so correct me if I'm wrong).


You are confused about when the mole kicks in. The mole is inducted the dawn of day ( after night 2 ends). Today is day 4, yesterday was day 3, so I would have been informed I was a mole before I made my list check results public.

Its irrelevant though, not lying once in no way clears me, however, I am pointing out that it should at least lessen the possibility that I am a mole. Also as far as I know my lists are now retroactive, so it should be able to spot the mole if he voted in the list I am checking.

@Eiii, nice to know you checked me night 2, correct?
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Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 27 2011 00:35 GMT
#1783
Yup. Checked scamp night one, which turned out to be a mistake.
:3
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 27 2011 01:09 GMT
#1784
On May 27 2011 09:28 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 09:14 Radfield wrote:
You misunderstand GM. I don't think you're mafia, but I'm saying you could still be the mole. I don't think you lied about any lists at all, but keep in mind that last night(first night as mole) you did not use a list check, and instead role checked foolishness. Since the beginning of Day 3 you haven't necessarily done anything super pro-town(I haven't actually checked though, so correct me if I'm wrong).


You are confused about when the mole kicks in. The mole is inducted the dawn of day ( after night 2 ends). Today is day 4, yesterday was day 3, so I would have been informed I was a mole before I made my list check results public.

Its irrelevant though, not lying once in no way clears me, however, I am pointing out that it should at least lessen the possibility that I am a mole. Also as far as I know my lists are now retroactive, so it should be able to spot the mole if he voted in the list I am checking.

@Eiii, nice to know you checked me night 2, correct?



You're absolutely right GM, and it certainly does lessen the chance of you being the mole.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
May 27 2011 04:13 GMT
#1785
On May 27 2011 05:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Does GM's list check work retroactively? Would he be able to find a mole on a list from day one if he checks it tonight?


Votechecks used after day 3, targeting earlier day's votes can find a mole, yes..
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 04:30:14
May 27 2011 04:25 GMT
#1786
Night 4


[image loading]


Caller ran through the streets, firing shots over his shot at the angry town chasing him. After turning several corners, he came across a bunch of Japanese fans renacting the warring states period. Intrigued, he ran over, donned a costume of Oda Nobunaga, and joined in the fun. The town, out of clues, concluded he just went MIA again and gave up. Breathing a sigh of relief, Caller continued on with the battle. Unfortunately, as Caller led the charge he tripped on a rock and his butt was impaled by a rake.




Caller the NRA member has been lynched.


You have 24 hours to send in night actions to me. I might not be around quite on time, possibly up to 2 hours late tomorrow as I'm going out, but please make sure all night actions are in 24 hours from now anyways.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
May 27 2011 04:29 GMT
#1787
weird...i got a vanilla check on him...
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
May 27 2011 04:39 GMT
#1788
Also I want to hear everyone's opinion on shorter days and maybe nights. I can end nights as soon as I know I get everyone's actions, and days can be shortened to 24 hours or less if the lynch is unanimous, or something in between.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
May 27 2011 04:39 GMT
#1789

1. Flamewheel - Chuiu Jack
2. Scamp [7][11] - Inventor
3. Caller [10][4] - NRA Member
4. Barundar [13][1] - Caller GF
5. Radfield
6. GMarshal [17][2]
7. Deconduo - vanilla
8. Foolishness [1][1]
9. bumatlarge [1][18]
10. Kavdragon [2][1] - vanilla
11. Chaoser [2][2]
12. Fishball [5][3] - Kingmaker
13. KillerSOS [5][11] - PYP tracker
14. Eiii [6][7]
15. Infinitestory [6][10] - Parity Cop
16. Dreamflower [4][1]
17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] - NKVD agent
18. Original Name[4][6] - village idiot
19. tnkted [4][12] - bus driver
20. Chezinu - CPR doctor
21. Ace [9][11] - capitalist
22. Kurumi [9][x] - ackbar
23. Incognito[9][x] - America, fuck yeah!
24. Node [9][1] - Copycat
25. kitaman27 [9][1]


Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 05:24:07
May 27 2011 05:23 GMT
#1790
obligatory post

also, lol at the night post :D
whole lies with a half smile
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
May 27 2011 06:11 GMT
#1791
Better just tackle the elephant in the room. Foolishness, kita and I are really the only unconfirmed people left at this point. The only thing I know is that I'm neither mole nor mafia so that leaves the other two. My gut says kita. There's really not much else to say. Foolishness you've played a subpar game then what I know you're capable of. However you've acted odd but never down right scummy. Kita on the other hand has acted fairly scummy and lurkerish throughout the portion of the game I've been in. I know kita knows what scummy behavior looks like so there's really no excuse. Tomorrow I have some free time and I'll do analysis of kita to solidify my point, after all I don't expect you all to take my word as a potential suspect without proof.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
May 27 2011 06:13 GMT
#1792
NRA Member

You shoot anyone and anything that pokes its head out at you. The first person that tries to visit you each day and night gets killed at the end of the cycle and their action on you does not occur. Listchecks do not count, but everything else does. Role checks will reveal you as vanilla. The suicide bomber overrides your redneck defense.


I think I pointed this out? Anyways, of the 8 of us left, 1 is the mole presumably, and I think it would be a little unfair to have more then one, since I think 8+/25 red even if they dont know each other with a possible traitor in the set-up is too much. I don't think anyone gave word on the traitor, so I guess until people come forward with other facts, we can ignore that. I think now it's just one mole? So I would suggest alignment checking now, since it is rare that he is the GF. Still very confused on the votecheck lists, since I see no framer/GF and the lists don't seem to add up properly? Maybe they do with a mole... Hm. Yeah 5 mafia make sense. GM use the votechecker on one of the lists radfield gave you. Basically getting a check on any list that doesn't include myself or chaoser, and has half the players, gives us a win.

KillerSOS Day2. That basically narrows it down to where it is a guarenteed win. GM will probably get shot.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
May 27 2011 06:14 GMT
#1793
Oh and @Chaoser, rolechecks of the NRA member return vanilla.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
May 27 2011 06:16 GMT
#1794
Oh radfield already included it in his thoughts, I should probably read his posts better -_-

Have to agree, kita has just been suspicious, but I think more so after night 2 then earlier. That does seem odd. Either way, GM is going to die, because if killerSOS pops a different number, kita is scum IMO, and if it doesnt foolishness is. That means I dont get shot, yay, and chaoser can check kita, and Eii can check foolishness' role.
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 27 2011 10:08 GMT
#1795
Bum, barring a traitor, we KNOW that there is only one anti-town player left(Set-up was 6 mafia/moles). This gives us two routes to go, a) is he mafia, b) is he the mole. Also I'm pretty sure we can assume there is no godfather, as all the votelists check out.

If he is a 6th mafia member(no mole in the game) then it's pretty much down to foolishness or kitaman, but I doubt thats the case. I think we need to play this as if there is a mole in our midst, as that is the most likely case.

List of remaining players, and a case for them either being or not being the mole. Keep in mind that it's possible people have bussed their teammates, but I think we have to assume that mafia would have played for the win.

Bumatlarge: Shot Ace, this pretty much clears him from being the mole. It's possible he could have bussed his teammate though, but I really doubt it. An extra kp would have been very nice for the mafia to have.

Chaoser: Got a proper read on Caller(vanilla mafia) last night, and pointed him out as scum. Again, it's possible that he might have bussed he teammate, but I think he's telling the truth. I also think that Aces defenses of chaoser were the same as his defense of Barundar, a case of knowing someone is town, and therefore being able to defend them with confidence. I also don't think Ace would telegraph the mole that badly.

GMarshal: Revealed a proper list check after he would have become the mole.

Radfield: Was attacked repeatedly by Ace and pushed to be lynched.

Meapak_Ziphh: Came out firing on Day 3 by pushing for both Ace and Caller to be lynched. Kept up his pressure on Caller, and kept up his posting regularity

Foolishness: Attacked a fair bit by Chez, Kurumi and tnkted. Doesn't seemingly alter his playstyle once Day 3 hits. Has played somewhat scummy all game(calling for scum-hunting but not doing it, skim reading the thread, etc).

Kitaman: Has a big blowout with Caller and pushes for his role claim. Otherwise seems reasonable in his posting. His activity goes way up once Day 3 hits, and not in a scummy way.

Eiii: Has a total of 7 posts once Day 3 hits. None of them are substantial and only a couple are game related in any way(and only 1 is more than 1 line). He is also defended by Kurumi several times during the game when he didn't needed to be defended. Prior to Day 3, despite not having a lot of posts, all his posts were paragraphs, and all addressed game issues. My vote for the mole.

##Vote Eiii

I'd like to look through the dead mafia posts again though(and I encourage everyone else to do the same), but this is a good start.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 27 2011 10:15 GMT
#1796
Ver, there is an error(I hope) in your OP:

There are 6 of 19 townies remaining.

There are 1 of 6 Mafia remaining.

There are ? of ? Moles remaining


There are 8 players left in the game, so I really hope that should read "7 of 19 townies remaining". Or are we to infer that there are actually two anti-town players left in the game? I'm just going off the fact that you stated the set-up would be 6 total mafia/moles in the game.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 27 2011 10:25 GMT
#1797
whoops, it's night time. Guess I can hold off on my vote

Night Actions:

Medic needs to protect GMarshal.

GMarshal should check either the KillerSOS or the Barundar lists.

Chaoser should check Foolishness, Kitaman or Eiii.

Any remaining Town KP should be directed at Eiii.

Eiii and any other role cops should be looking for a potential traitor, so anyone who does not have a confirmed or already checked role. I think this is either Kitaman and Meapak.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
May 27 2011 10:36 GMT
#1798
On May 27 2011 15:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Better just tackle the elephant in the room. Foolishness, kita and I are really the only unconfirmed people left at this point. The only thing I know is that I'm neither mole nor mafia so that leaves the other two. My gut says kita.


What? When did the entire town suddenly get confirmed? Just because I haven't roll claimed, doesn't narrow down the mole suspects to two people. You're not making sense.

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On May 20 2011 10:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Logically if he is town, a mafia CPR doc would be my first thought. Caller, the person most likely with a kp, isn't really getting much attention and he is keeping quiet for the most part. I'm surprised everyone is so sold on him being town.


On May 22 2011 14:21 kitaman27 wrote:
2/6 are scum

Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, GMarshal, Node, flamewheel

Guess where that leaves us.


On May 23 2011 01:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 21:42 Caller wrote:
Back before roles, I had mentioned how I had no intention of following Radfield's list and instead would take the most troll role possible. Mafia knew that they can therefore snag CPR Doc and get a couple of free kills with it. They then put the CPR doc in the same votelist with me and frame someone on that list, knowing that Kavdragon was not mafia and therefore anyone on that list would be scummy.


So you took the most troll role possible with the number 3 pick, while allowing the mafia to snag the CPR Doc? mmk.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 21:42 Caller wrote:
Like look at the most recent check that GMarshal just did. Assuming he's not lying, there is one mafia in the incognito list from day 1. By process of elimination, since I know I'm not mafia and I'm pretty sure there's a frame, there are at least four mafia hiding in the other areas. I doubt more than one mafia would stick his nose out by putting his vote on a single person, so let's say instead there are at least 3 mafia in the other lists. That means that of these people:

BARUNDAR (5): Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower, kitaman27, KillerSOS

MR. WIGGLES (2): Kavdragon, tnkted


there are at least 3 mafia.

Kavdragon and KillerSOS are dead and both are town. We have 3 in 5 of the following as scum:

Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower (Ziphh), kitaman27, tnkted


Anybody look like potential suspects? Maybe? I'll write a detailed analysis about these guys in a bit, so even if you do decide to lynch me we'll have somewhere to start tonight and the days after.


I suggest everyone read over this math.

Apparently the assumption that 4 mafia were not on incog/kav implies 3 mafia were on barundar. There is absolutely no logic backing up this accusation. Furthermore, he completely omits all of the players who were single votes. Do they not count, or did you fuzzy math come to the conclusion that there must be 1 mafia in this list? This is garbage.

Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 15:52 Ver wrote:
Day 1 final vote Tally


GMARSHAL (1): deconduo

CHEZINU (1): Fishball

FISHBALL (1): Kurumi

DECONDUO (1): Eiii

SCAMP (1): Mr. Wiggles

ORIGINALNAME (1): Scamp







On May 23 2011 03:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 03:07 Caller wrote:
So we have the 5 categories-4 candidates for lynching, as well as a general "others" category. There are 6 mafia. Mafia would split their votes accordingly. So there's one mafia on Incognito list, 1 on Kavdragon List. I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that there's only one in the "others" category as well. That kind of narrows it down, doesn't it?


Why is this a pretty reasonable assumption? You're treating it as fact, when it is clearly speculation.

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 03:07 Caller wrote:
You cleverly tried to hide the fact that I took two different candidates as including 3 and removed dead people to result in 3 in 5. Instead, you generalized my argument as "oh there are 3 mafia on one list" which I agree is pretty unlikely. That's not what happened, though, isn't it? its 3 mafia out of 2 lists, and they have kindly whittled it down fro 7 to 5 people. Tntked obviously stands out, and I'm curious as to why you'd cover up for him in your argument by totally ignoring him from consideration.


I didn't cleverly hide anything. I pointed out you created a list of your own choosing and said "look 3 mafia here!"

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 03:07 Caller wrote:
On May 21 2011 23:16 kitaman27 wrote:
First things first. tnkted I'm assuming you're going to claim you didn't choose to select the busdriver?

Also, can we get a confirmation that this isn't how the politician works and in a hypothetical situation that it was a bus, would it carry over into the night cycle?

On May 14 2011 11:56 tnkted wrote:
I really really want the bus driver role. I can bug him until I get what I want! Do you guys realize how quick it is to fill up an inbox with 100+ messages when you use an automator?

I will bus myself again. >

jkjk, happy birthday! I do want bus driver though.


As for Node's inventor item, do we agree that he should provide GMarshal a protective item? If GMarshal ends up dead, then we know to who to lynch, unless anyone sees a flaw in the plan?

Chezinu should be the target of night shots.


and

On May 22 2011 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:56 Node wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote:
If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously.

And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch.


I agree with the FOS. Kitaman hasn't shown himself to be on the town's side at all.


Right, take the side of the guy pretending to be the village idiot. By the way, are you agreeing to protect GMarshal tonight or are you going to keep town in the dark and do your own thing like the last inventor?


and

On May 22 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote:
3 kp? Was one of them a town vig?


On May 21 2011 10:23 kitaman27 wrote:
*Pokes Wiggles

Shot within the hour? If Ver isn't around then we might have to wait longer than expected.


Are you trying to say these posts are scummy? I see a vig shot declaration on Chez, pointing out that tnkted was thinking about selecting the bus driver role, and pressuring Node to protect GMarshal in order to scare off a mafia hit.

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 03:07 Caller wrote:
To top it off, you respond to my argument that I'm pretty sure nailed you and the rest of your scummy team by making a straw man argument and then criticizing it. No shit my argument looks weak when you put it like that, anybody would agree its a weak argument the way you just shoved out most of the information and reasoning and content.


Wow, you nailed the entire scum team? Bravo.


On May 23 2011 04:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 04:57 Caller wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:55 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:53 GMarshal wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:52 infinitestory wrote:
GM, were you indeed targeted and saved? You should have gotten a notification if so.


No. Now lynch that lying scum. I would have immediately claimed had I taken a hit.


He didn't say you took at hit, did he?

LOOK AT THIS SCUM POS TRYING TO DEFEND HIS BEST FRIEND

he knows that once tnktd flips that he done. He real done.

kill kita tonight pls


So I'm scum because I point out a flaw in logic?

What is your role? You clearly aren't going to get night hit any time soon so why are you so focused on hiding your claim?


On May 23 2011 05:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 05:05 Caller wrote:
On May 23 2011 05:01 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:59 Caller wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:58 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote:
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof?


Then how did deconduo know that Radfield selected bulletproof as his godfather role? Are you implying that they are scum buddies or was that just a lucky guess? This accusation is silly.

why not you silly man

you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper. why don't you take a line from your own handbook and sleep with the fishes, scum


Role claim?

i'm not gonna roleclaim to scum. Don't need to give you guys more information than you already have. Once we kill you guys off and we start boiling down to the finish then I'll happily give up my last vestiges of information.

Or you guys could, you know, hit me tonight. Would save me the trouble of proving my own damn innocence.


Fine don't role claim to scum. Role claim to the rest of town, because they certainly don't buy your story of selecting a troll roll either.


On May 23 2011 20:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Should we even be discussing alignment checks with the potential Framer and Godframer in play? I would rather trust the detectives to do what they think best and keep mafia in the dark. I'm also surprised more people aren't pushing Caller to role claim.


I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 27 2011 13:13 GMT
#1799
On May 27 2011 13:39 Ver wrote:
Also I want to hear everyone's opinion on shorter days and maybe nights. I can end nights as soon as I know I get everyone's actions, and days can be shortened to 24 hours or less if the lynch is unanimous, or something in between.



I think unanimous lynches should be shortened to 24 hour days. 24 Hour nights are generally fine as it gives some time to discuss the lynch flip and night actions.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
May 27 2011 15:49 GMT
#1800
On May 27 2011 19:15 Radfield wrote:
Ver, there is an error(I hope) in your OP:

Show nested quote +
There are 6 of 19 townies remaining.

There are 1 of 6 Mafia remaining.

There are ? of ? Moles remaining


There are 8 players left in the game, so I really hope that should read "7 of 19 townies remaining". Or are we to infer that there are actually two anti-town players left in the game? I'm just going off the fact that you stated the set-up would be 6 total mafia/moles in the game.


Error. Fixed.
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