Insane Mafia - Page 198

On November 10 2010 11:27 Kenpachi wrote:

You sound confident.. do you know what the fuck your talking about? I doubt you read my posts carefully enough to just post "lol nice attempt." When im revealed blue, ima quote you.

On November 10 2010 11:06 Kenpachi wrote:

Imo, there are 3 possibilities
1. Pandain is fucking red
2. theres a flaw in pandain's role
3. Someones able to frame others as mafia

nothing in my role is flawed to lead him to find me as a red

On October 31 2010 09:10 Kenpachi wrote:
LOL THE BOOGER.
well, would it be that someone has a nosepicking related profile? is he even mafia?

also, i am not the elder guys. Is it even confirmed if HE is the mafia either? ~_~

On October 31 2010 09:36 Kenpachi wrote:

cant really say. im not one to decide on inactivity.. right now, i only read posts with my name in it and so far im a suspect again..
Would it be possible to provide evidential clues >_>

On November 04 2010 09:29 Kenpachi wrote:
am back. sorry for a delay from posting.. after all, im just a teenager.

Ill do a page for Pandain.. pg4

On November 10 2010 10:27 Kenpachi wrote:
eh.. fuck lynch Pandain when i die. i cant defend myself from this

On November 10 2010 11:47 L wrote:

L is red because he called me out as inactive?

Sounds legit.

Anyways, where's node at?

On November 04 2010 10:03 L wrote:
Nemesis starts off the game pretty apologetic. Makes a case for the mayor being super dangerous, then realizes that the mayor gets an extra vote, not an extra lynch.

He asks fishball's circle to reveal itself to confirm fishball during the elections.

Some M-rus related posts.

Supports pandain on the account that he's a good communicator, but easy to spot as mafia.

Skeptical of DrH's ability to be confirmed. Says he doesn't trust him.

Pushes on Orgolove and Youngmiini as his top 2 scumreads.

Comes out against roleclaiming, despite having asked the fishball crew to step up earlier.

Wow. I'm only halfway through but this is looking pretty bad.

Going to LoL is up for a bit, I'll finish soon.

On November 01 2010 14:21 L wrote:
Okay, just got my pms and whatnot, so I think this is the game I'm supposed to be in. I'm hungover from last night's partying and drunk from this night's partying so I'll catch up as much as I can after sleeping off the effects of imbibing an amount of alcohol sufficient to disinfect all of the wounded at solferino.

On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).

The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.

As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?

Wrong.

DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
Claims that DoctorH should die so that we can get info on what alignment other people are

If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.

There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof.
Says a bit of protown stuff by saying that we are being misleaded

On November 02 2010 11:38 L wrote:
No I'm not. I'm saying in the event that we kill either, these are the likely orientations of the other player because a rank 0 new kid isn't going to throw some crazy mindgames at us like whoa.

In fact, I specifically said if I was going to lynch for information, I'd kill DrH, but that the entire Pandain/Young/DrH/Infinity arguesquare will probably clear itself up and give us a good candidate from it anyways.
Denies that he was asking to "confirm" another player by lynching them, but somehow still says that he'd kill DrH. Idk what he's getting around to here.

So like, I did the opposite of what you're trying to say I did. Cool beans bro.



In other news, this feud is taking up a huge chunk of the thread. That's cool. Super cool even. Super cool if we're picking between two targets that are both town. The debate here is placid, with maybe 2 actors at most on a side weighing in. With 8 total vote power, mafia should be snoooooozing through this if one of the two candidates are mafia, because they can easily deploy enough votes to swing themselves to safety. In all likelihood, mafia isn't even heavily invested in this conversation, since there are at most 6 players making substantial contributions to the (now endlessly repeating) argument. Since both sides seem to have halos of associated players, it would be easy enough to swing a certain direction, then cook up why an unfortunate townie was the most ardent pusher for the lynch and get them killed.

So, L, who do you suggest we pick? I dunno lol. We probably have a 1/6 chance hitting aeres or DrH. The game as a whole provides us with closer to 1/4 odds. Given that, we're probably better off completely ignoring this situation and producing alternatives before the day runs out and I get modkilled for eating curry for 30 minutes longer than anticipated. That said, that's a blind analysis. You can make the % chance even better by seeing what your position on players like Node or others is.

In total, this yield me a list looking like this:


2. Hyperbola
3. Bumatlarge
4. Veldril
7. deconduo
8. Coagulation
10. infundibulum
11. Amber[LighT]
12. Kenpachi
13. RebirthOfLegend
14. Nemesis
15. ghrur
16. KtheZ
18. CubEdIn
19. Meapak_Ziphh
21. DCLXVI
22. Divinek
23. Lexpar
28. jcarlsoniv
31. L
32. NB
33. Glasse
34 Misder
38. kitaman27
39. LunarDestiny

So basically I've removed the players that are too heavily engaged in the stupidity to be cruise control mafia + Node because I think he's legit. There's probably a mafia member up in that group, but they're all hopped up on crazy pills at the moment, so we're not going to get very far with our tea leaf divination technique just yet.

Out of the remaining group, mafia are hiding at the feigned activity level. They'll jump on players who make mistakes, or just lightly brush people with the threat of the shitlist, but otherwise just reformulate other people's posts for giggles. And shits. I haven't read all hundred pages. Closer to 40, so I can't accurately say what happened during day 1. It seems, however, that there was a standard mayoral election, so one of the candidates who's remaining on this list might be a good person to start analysis on. Additionally, anyone who played heavily day 1, but then dropped off is less likely to be mafia, because townies' give-a-shit meter is very low normally (this, however, might be wrong this game because we're all blue and that's awesome), consistently low activity players who haven't asked for replacement or made overt apologies are more likely to be mafia given that LSB is actively kicking people outta his game if they say they're busy, and mafia players are never inactive.
What is this? He tries to look protown by producing a list of 20 people that should be looked at, but doesn't go into specific at who specifically should be looked at

Cept that Caller kid. He's pretty brave, though.

On November 03 2010 02:21 L wrote:

Why would I think that you picked doctor?

I'm saying that the role you say you have does not make sense. At all. So there's probably more to it that you haven't revealed.

On November 04 2010 09:07 L wrote:
Went through coag's posts.

There's 2 main overt things he does:

1) He pushes pandain for mayor the entire time
2) He shits on youngmiini

Pandain's pretty much our best target for tomorrow.

Some less overt stances:

1)Seems undecided on DocH. Starts by being rather deferential, then moves to a "not so sure about you" position.
2)His posts are TINY. He feigns activity without producing very much.

Given my prior assessment it seems like I was right. Most mafia are just trying to keep under the radar.

On November 04 2010 09:50 L wrote:

I'll look at his post history then. Gimme a few min.

On November 05 2010 09:32 Nemesis wrote:

And yes if you actually want to know I am actually quite busy right now irl. I have midterms last week and I have one last midterm this wednesday(I'll probably go inactive around tuesday). I check tl mafia everytime I take a break from studying 'hence my one liner posts.' I didn't mention this, because I know that you are just going to use this against me saying "you're just making up excuses now." But I guess it doesn't matter eitherway as you still try to paint me as red either way.

This is the last time I'm replying to you as to not shit up this thread like what happened during the Pandain/Doctor H/Infinitestory circle. I feel like you will just be making the same points over and over again. You have made your point. I have made my point, there's nothing left that I have to argue about.

On November 07 2010 13:38 L wrote:

See you might have a problem attributing strong analysis to me when you forget that the case you've mentioned isn't attributed to me. So far I've actually produced the most comprehensive analysis of any person in the game, which was vetted by a bunch of people who died and flipped blue.
Most comprehensive analysis? What? What have you done so far? So far you've pushed for 3 now confirmed blues to be lynched based on crappy reasoning.
CubedIn - "definitely lying about his role"
Pandain - "Him and coag are definitely working together"
Nemesis - "Plenty of one liners. Definitely mafia"


I've operated on very limited assumptions this game.

The first of which is that during the Aeres/Youngmiini melee, most of the involved parties were blue and that mafia were staying out of the problem. So far, everyone who's died from that group has flipped blue.
Lol, and how does that help anyone? You didn't try and find another target that day but only said that.

Second is that because of that, mafia would have been very, very quiet day 2. Go look at the people who flipped mafia since then: Divinek, Coag and Decuowhatever. All said the bare minimum, or in the case of Divinek, got modkilled for being flat out afk.

So where does that leave us?

DrH asked the thread to look up Nemesis. I did. He fit straight up into the middle of the qualities that all of the previous mafia members had, and what's more:

He admits to them. He admits to lightly pushing people. He admits to throwing around one liners. He flat out admits he's just watching the game. His response to this? Throw shit on me now that DrH, who supported the view that he was likely a good kill today, is dead.

Seems pretty open and shut on this one. The only question is whether or not we can find one of his scumbuddies to hang with him.
And now he throws suspicion at another person when he's been called out

On November 10 2010 13:39 L wrote:
Haha, wow. Maybe you should go back and actually read those posts before commenting them, because you've falsely characterized half my arguments. My statements regarding DrH on the top, for instance, were actually a defence of DrH's statement that he could be 100% confirmed.

The rest of the post, similarly, and perhaps oddly, ignores RoL's idea that there might be a godfather in the game, and that its probably pandain.

Why is that odd? Well, because you're 'confirmed' because he has you on his list. But if his list is bullshit, then so is your confirmation. Oh but wait, if his list is bullshit, then Kenpachi might be blue too, and lynching me/him would win you the game. If you were blue, you'd know you aren't confirmed, and that pandain isn't either.

Between you just plain lying about my positions, playing scummy all game, and overzealously trying to claim that you're confirmed, there doesn't seem to be much room for doubt. You've pretty much cemented that you/pandain are mafia in my mind.

On November 10 2010 13:39 L wrote:
Haha, wow. Maybe you should go back and actually read those posts before commenting them, because you've falsely characterized half my arguments. My statements regarding DrH on the top, for instance, were actually a defence of DrH's statement that he could be 100% confirmed.

The rest of the post, similarly, and perhaps oddly, ignores RoL's idea that there might be a godfather in the game, and that its probably pandain.

Why is that odd? Well, because you're 'confirmed' because he has you on his list. But if his list is bullshit, then so is your confirmation. Oh but wait, if his list is bullshit, then Kenpachi might be blue too, and lynching me/him would win you the game. If you were blue, you'd know you aren't confirmed, and that pandain isn't either.

Between you just plain lying about my positions, playing scummy all game, and overzealously trying to claim that you're confirmed, there doesn't seem to be much room for doubt. You've pretty much cemented that you/pandain are mafia in my mind.

On November 10 2010 13:52 Nemesis wrote:

LOL you are using RoL's idea that there is a godfather role and it's probably Pandain when RoL flipped red. So you are using an argument that another red used to try and lynch someone? Can you be any more scummy at this point?

On November 10 2010 14:11 LunarDestiny wrote:



So are you saying that Kitz who checked Pandain lying?

So we should believe that Coag told a dt to check Pandain, to prove Pandain is blue when he should be mafia.

Ok. Next game when a red ask a dt to check on someone. That person is Godfather. i should follow that advice next game too.

So are you saying that Kitz who checked Pandain lying?

On November 10 2010 14:19 L wrote:
No, I'm saying that if Pandain is godfather, he'll be able to choose what his check returns, and if that's the case, his star pupil over there, Nemesis, isn't confirmed either.

On November 10 2010 14:21 L wrote:
Alternatively, Pandain might be 100% legit, and Nemesis could be the GF. Either way, I'm pretty certain Nemesis is mafia, because he's literally a walking encyclopedia of scumtells at this point.

On November 10 2010 14:21 L wrote:
Alternatively, Pandain might be 100% legit, and Nemesis could be the GF. Either way, I'm pretty certain Nemesis is mafia, because he's literally a walking encyclopedia of scumtells at this point.

On November 10 2010 14:25 Nemesis wrote:

Walking scumtell?

Tell me who just recently changed their argument to "making a bunch of one liner and lightly accusing people" to "calling out for being inactive."

On November 10 2010 14:33 L wrote:

Uh, making one liners is a sign of feigned activity. They're called chaff posts and typically indicate nothing unless they form the vast majority of a player's statements, in which case he's inactive and trying to appear otherwise.

How is this new?

As for lunar: they are, actually. When you have Divinek, RoL and Coag in game actions all pointing at Pandain's guilt, its pretty huge. Add that to Nemesis admitting he wanted to sit back and watch the game during a period in which 2 blues were the lynch targets, and then the panoply of other gaffes he's made and you have fantastic lynches for today.

Anyways, I suppose the town can decide the merits. I'm still not going to claim until Node shows up, because quite frankly I don't want to lose what's probably our only shot at winning. And when I say town, I mean town. Not third party. If the mafia win tonight, so does the third party. Which is kinda terrible, because it means this is a 6 to 5 vote and not a single townie can screw up or we lose.