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On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote:
So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative?
Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless.
I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor.
IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit.
His point is that even though the mafia knowing you're a doctor is a negative, it's still strictly superior to being a straight vanilla townie in pretty much every possible scenario. Therefore, L says, there must be some kind of catch. On the other hand Artanis/LSB could have just screwed up and not realized that one choice was better than the other, but that's not something I'd readily assume.
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On November 03 2010 02:31 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote:
So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative?
Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless.
I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor.
IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit. His point is that even though the mafia knowing you're a doctor is a negative, it's still strictly superior to being a straight vanilla townie in pretty much every possible scenario. Therefore, L says, there must be some kind of catch. On the other hand Artanis/LSB could have just screwed up and not realized that one choice was better than the other, but that's not something I'd readily assume.
Speculating, I'd say that most people in my position would pick doctor and then would have to role-claim (no use in only Mafia knowing of the role, right?). So, in a game with no PMs, the roleclaim would have to be done to everyone, leading to this kind of discussions, causing more chaos.
I was expecting something like this to happen, but there's really not much I can do or say to prove I'm right (other than going to protect whoever you want me to, and getting killed by the mafia, so you'll have your proof in the mod post).
@ Glasse, you don't understand, posts like that would make the Mafia suspect they can't trust everyone in their team.
You could use it to turn mafia against each other, if worded properly, and implying that there's some sort of role that could cause a back-stab kill in the Mafia ranks.
Of course, it's a long shot, but it's better than not doing anything at all.
And what part WASN'T from you?
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On November 03 2010 02:37 CubEdIn wrote:
@ Glasse, you don't understand, posts like that would make the Mafia suspect they can't trust everyone in their team.
You could use it to turn mafia against each other, if worded properly, and implying that there's some sort of role that could cause a back-stab kill in the Mafia ranks.
Of course, it's a long shot, but it's better than not doing anything at all.
And what part WASN'T from you?
I guess im stupid then.
With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red.
What i said was Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation
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I don't have a strong opinion on which possible candidates is/are mafia.
Youngminii - He escaped one lynch for some reasons. DrH also pointed out that his willingness to keep gunning for Aeres makes him less likely to be red.
Aeres - Lied about being the bodyguard role. Pretty much given up after being exposed.
Divinek - Inactive...
I probably choose between Aeres or Divinek. But I'll decide near deadline to see if I can justify my vote better.
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On November 03 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 02:37 CubEdIn wrote:
@ Glasse, you don't understand, posts like that would make the Mafia suspect they can't trust everyone in their team.
You could use it to turn mafia against each other, if worded properly, and implying that there's some sort of role that could cause a back-stab kill in the Mafia ranks.
Of course, it's a long shot, but it's better than not doing anything at all.
And what part WASN'T from you? I guess im stupid then. With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. What i said was Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation
That doesn't make sense. So the only you thing you sent was "Be careful, he's red." ??
it doesn't make any sense out of context without the first sentence
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On November 03 2010 03:00 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:On November 03 2010 02:37 CubEdIn wrote:
@ Glasse, you don't understand, posts like that would make the Mafia suspect they can't trust everyone in their team.
You could use it to turn mafia against each other, if worded properly, and implying that there's some sort of role that could cause a back-stab kill in the Mafia ranks.
Of course, it's a long shot, but it's better than not doing anything at all.
And what part WASN'T from you? I guess im stupid then. With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. What i said was Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation That doesn't make sense. So the only you thing you sent was "Be careful, he's red." ?? it doesn't make any sense out of context without the first sentence
Glasse: "What i said was Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation"
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so what Glasse said and the Day post says differ by a word then.
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On November 03 2010 03:03 Infundibulum wrote:
so what Glasse said and the Day post says differ by a word then.
the actual post is : With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red.
What i said is : Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation
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Sorry, to avoid confusion, i did say:
I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3
as well, it was just irrelevant to my point
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On November 03 2010 02:31 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote:
So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative?
Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless.
I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor.
IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit. His point is that even though the mafia knowing you're a doctor is a negative, it's still strictly superior to being a straight vanilla townie in pretty much every possible scenario. Therefore, L says, there must be some kind of catch. On the other hand Artanis/LSB could have just screwed up and not realized that one choice was better than the other, but that's not something I'd readily assume.
I honestly think the mods could have easily overlooked this situation.
Yesterday, I actually had to convince Artanis to make an announcement of an additional circle member, and explain the consequences if we don't.
Also, the way I see it, his role is a heavy trade-off. You either play a dull role, or you get a fun one but the Mafia knows. This is assuming his role is legit.
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On November 03 2010 02:46 LunarDestiny wrote:
Youngminii - He escaped one lynch for some reasons. DrH also pointed out that his willingness to keep gunning for Aeres makes him less likely to be red.
You left out the part where Infinitestory has pointed out that his willingness to keep gunning for Aeres makes him MORE likely to be red.
Selective reasoning much?
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On November 03 2010 02:37 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 02:31 Infundibulum wrote:On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote:
So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative?
Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless.
I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor.
IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit. His point is that even though the mafia knowing you're a doctor is a negative, it's still strictly superior to being a straight vanilla townie in pretty much every possible scenario. Therefore, L says, there must be some kind of catch. On the other hand Artanis/LSB could have just screwed up and not realized that one choice was better than the other, but that's not something I'd readily assume. Speculating, I'd say that most people in my position would pick doctor and then would have to role-claim (no use in only Mafia knowing of the role, right?). So, in a game with no PMs, the roleclaim would have to be done to everyone, leading to this kind of discussions, causing more chaos. I was expecting something like this to happen, but there's really not much I can do or say to prove I'm right (other than going to protect whoever you want me to, and getting killed by the mafia, so you'll have your proof in the mod post). @ Glasse, you don't understand, posts like that would make the Mafia suspect they can't trust everyone in their team. You could use it to turn mafia against each other, if worded properly, and implying that there's some sort of role that could cause a back-stab kill in the Mafia ranks. Of course, it's a long shot, but it's better than not doing anything at all. And what part WASN'T from you?
Its not 'most people' should pick doctor. Its literally never the right choice to pick townie, which makes you role seem fake, which makes believe you're lying or not telling us about some kind of downside to your doctor-role. Maybe you spread m-rus or some shit, or maybe you wouldn't actually be a townie. Maybe you're a third party role. I dunno.
As it is right now, though, that shit doesn't make sense.
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You either play a dull role, or you get a fun one but the Mafia knows.
There is no tradeoff. None. What's mafia going to do about you being a doctor? Waste a roleblock to hit you and get rid of a player who would have otherwise been a townie? Its literally 100% +EV to take doctor unless we're being lied to or unless someone else has a complementary role.
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On November 03 2010 03:23 L wrote: There is no tradeoff. None. What's mafia going to do about you being a doctor? Waste a roleblock to hit you and get rid of a player who would have otherwise been a townie? Its literally 100% +EV to take doctor unless we're being lied to or unless someone else has a complementary role.
We're obviously talking about the same thing on a different level, so this is pointless.
Yes that IS a trade-off, but whether it makes sense or not, is another story. I like how you quoted just that line and that line only, where I first mentioned this could easily be a mod "mistake" if true.
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I've been mentioning this could be a mistake the entire time. It is not, however, a tradeoff at all unless there's another hidden piece of the puzzle.
Like the doctor also being a mason, perhaps.
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But this discussion is pointless.
As I said, I can't do much to prove it.
You can have your doubts, but unless you think that I'm red, this argument is leading nowhere.
Even if I HAD other abilities or there was more to my role, I wouldn't go "oh right, not that you mention it... ", would I? So why do we keep going on these steep slopes to nowhere-land?
You'll see if I was lying or not when I die, it's as simple as that, but unless you think I could hurt the town, the argument is pointless.
I'm not even going to discuss the "Maybe you spread m-rus or some shit" accusation, as a doctor who spreads disease is less logical than anything I said in this thread.
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On November 03 2010 03:13 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 02:31 Infundibulum wrote:On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote:
So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative?
Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless.
I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor.
IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit. His point is that even though the mafia knowing you're a doctor is a negative, it's still strictly superior to being a straight vanilla townie in pretty much every possible scenario. Therefore, L says, there must be some kind of catch. On the other hand Artanis/LSB could have just screwed up and not realized that one choice was better than the other, but that's not something I'd readily assume. I honestly think the mods could have easily overlooked this situation. Yesterday, I actually had to convince Artanis to make an announcement of an additional circle member, and explain the consequences if we don't. Also, the way I see it, his role is a heavy trade-off. You either play a dull role, or you get a fun one but the Mafia knows. This is assuming his role is legit.
IMO townie is a lot more fun to be than a blue...
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On November 03 2010 03:34 L wrote:
I've been mentioning this could be a mistake the entire time. It is not, however, a tradeoff at all unless there's another hidden piece of the puzzle.
Like the doctor also being a mason, perhaps.
The doctor could be bulletproof, making the knowledge a bit more trivial for mafia. Then a mafia team would need to somehow get the town to lynch the doctor.
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I missed Infinitestory post on p.98 about Youngminii's posting...
But that post never imply that Youngminii is a scum but as someone who doesn't understand the game.
The biggest benefit of reading that post is it reminded me that Youngminii refuses to reveal anything about his role except saying that his role is definitely blue(crossed out useless information).
Am I missing something?
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On November 03 2010 03:13 Fishball wrote:
Also, the way I see it, his role is a heavy trade-off.
On November 03 2010 03:23 L wrote:
There is no tradeoff. None.
On November 03 2010 03:28 Fishball wrote:
Yes that IS a trade-off, but whether it makes sense or not, is another story.
On November 03 2010 03:34 L wrote:
It is not, however, a tradeoff at all unless there's another hidden piece of the puzzle.
Ohhh I've seen this before.
I'm just going to take my own advice.
On November 03 2010 03:28 Fishball wrote:
We're obviously talking about the same thing on a different level, so this is pointless.
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