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On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too.
If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run.
And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it...
In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them.
Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information.
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On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too. If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information.
So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example?
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That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies.
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I like how I linked Radio LOONY to Glasse, and that was brushed aside.
Then I linked Aeres's Cruise Ship Captain claim to the Day 2 post. This was also brushed aside :/
Now that Glasse did come out and confirm it, (whether he is lying or not is another case), people are going "Oh! That was you!!"
My face: -_-
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kitaman27
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On November 02 2010 21:38 Glasse wrote:
More of a role claim than slip i thought
i work at a radio
Anyone else find this concerning?
This is Radio LOONY!
With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3
RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS.
He doesn't just say the thinks DrH is red, he act's as if he knows it, which he can't be true (unless they are teammates I suppose). Why would a blue role try to stir up confusion like this?
I guess the possibility he wants to get himself lynched still remains.
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you were brushed off because i was trying to have fun by denying everything
now that i admited though, its obviously me :3
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On November 02 2010 22:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 21:38 Glasse wrote:
More of a role claim than slip i thought
i work at a radio Anyone else find this concerning? Show nested quote +This is Radio LOONY!
With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3
RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS. He doesn't just say the thinks DrH is red, he act's as if he knows it, which he can't be true (unless they are teammates I suppose). Why would a blue role try to stir up confusion like this? I guess the possibility he wants to get himself lynched still remains.
because it was entertaining while it wasted (until the mod warned me)
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On November 02 2010 22:37 Glasse wrote:
you were brushed off because i was trying to have fun by denying everything
now that i admited though, its obviously me :3
I'm starting to come to a conclusion that your reading comprehension sucks...
I'm not talking about you who brushed it aside. In fact you're the only that DID reply to me originally.
I'm talking about the rest of the players. See how they are jumping out now?
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On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies.
So blatant lies for the benefit of the town* gets you lynched, but manipulating the truth and twisting words gets you elected mayor.
Thats a dumb fucking policy.
(*The way I see it anyway. He could be an idiot scum but I really doubt it.)
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On November 02 2010 21:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote:On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote:
BLAARH BLAHBLAH BLARBBLAB LBLABLARBLAR
BLAHBLAH BLERP BLA BLARPLRAPRLBALERRR Dude... Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote:
I feel like you are red now because i'm obviously town.
And i can prove it. Oh really now? I'm interested. Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 18:22 CubEdIn wrote:On November 02 2010 11:27 Ace wrote:
Cubed is allegedly a medic. He's doing the RebirthofLegend thing and self-protting though. Yes, but it's only been one night, and Mafia knows for sure if I am a medic or not. Also, I was under the impression that DrH would poke me, and that would both prove his role/mine, and I would not get infected if his stick was indeed causing the infection as well. I might not self-protect if I see someone who seems like a reasonable target. But I will most likely follow my own instincts, as this thread is 75% base on "what if"s "maybe"s and "let's assume". I don't like that. What I do like is that we have a stronger PM circle with people who role-claimed. This isn't directly helpful to the town, but it's better than what we have right now (nothing). So I'll probably bandwaggon Fish's votes for the time being, if nothing better comes along. Also, I'll probably follow Dr.H's votes as well, since he seems to at least try to base his statements on reason rather then double/triple assumptions that lead to the possibility of maybe having a chance of a probable suspect. I'm starting to believe more and more that the town will only have chances to win if a lot of people role-claim. But then again this could also lead to more confusing based on what the roles would be. So I'm pretty much screwed in my voting pick. I think I may have missed when you claimed as medic. How does the Mafia know for sure if you are or not?
I claimed about 7 hours into night 1, after DrH was elected.
I had to choose between being a normal townie or being a doctor but the mafia being informed of my role. The role's name is Neo.
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On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too. If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information. So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example?
On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies.
^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously.
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On November 02 2010 22:45 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 21:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 02 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote:On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote:
BLAARH BLAHBLAH BLARBBLAB LBLABLARBLAR
BLAHBLAH BLERP BLA BLARPLRAPRLBALERRR Dude... On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote:
I feel like you are red now because i'm obviously town.
And i can prove it. Oh really now? I'm interested. On November 02 2010 18:22 CubEdIn wrote:On November 02 2010 11:27 Ace wrote:
Cubed is allegedly a medic. He's doing the RebirthofLegend thing and self-protting though. Yes, but it's only been one night, and Mafia knows for sure if I am a medic or not. Also, I was under the impression that DrH would poke me, and that would both prove his role/mine, and I would not get infected if his stick was indeed causing the infection as well. I might not self-protect if I see someone who seems like a reasonable target. But I will most likely follow my own instincts, as this thread is 75% base on "what if"s "maybe"s and "let's assume". I don't like that. What I do like is that we have a stronger PM circle with people who role-claimed. This isn't directly helpful to the town, but it's better than what we have right now (nothing). So I'll probably bandwaggon Fish's votes for the time being, if nothing better comes along. Also, I'll probably follow Dr.H's votes as well, since he seems to at least try to base his statements on reason rather then double/triple assumptions that lead to the possibility of maybe having a chance of a probable suspect. I'm starting to believe more and more that the town will only have chances to win if a lot of people role-claim. But then again this could also lead to more confusing based on what the roles would be. So I'm pretty much screwed in my voting pick. I think I may have missed when you claimed as medic. How does the Mafia know for sure if you are or not? I claimed about 7 hours into night 1, after DrH was elected. I had to choose between being a normal townie or being a doctor but the mafia being informed of my role. The role's name is Neo.
Oh yes, I do remember that. Sorry.
As for LAL, I don't think it's a good general policy to have all the time. However, this was a massive lie that hurt way more than it helped. I believe aeres will be getting my vote.
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On November 02 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too. If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information. So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example? Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies. ^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously.
Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that.
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On November 02 2010 22:59 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too. If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information. So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example? On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies. ^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously. Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that.
Why would blatant lying (and twice I should add) ever benefit the town when it clearly did nothing but cause chaos? It's like getting a pass for fucking with the town. If we allow it then mafia has one more escape route. It's not so much about the fact that we need to punish somebody for lying, but that now if we don't lynch him we will never know his true intentions. We'll be wondering and wondering why he is not getting hit night after night. The mafia knows he's not a bodyguard, but they know enough that he's going to be an asset for them to keep around later. He will be their scapegoat when the time comes. If he's mafia then we're just one lucky freaking town.
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On November 02 2010 23:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 22:59 deconduo wrote:On November 02 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too. If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information. So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example? On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies. ^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously. Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that. Why would blatant lying (and twice I should add) ever benefit the town when it clearly did nothing but cause chaos? It's like getting a pass for fucking with the town. If we allow it then mafia has one more escape route. It's not so much about the fact that we need to punish somebody for lying, but that now if we don't lynch him we will never know his true intentions. We'll be wondering and wondering why he is not getting hit night after night. The mafia knows he's not a bodyguard, but they know enough that he's going to be an asset for them to keep around later. He will be their scapegoat when the time comes. If he's mafia then we're just one lucky freaking town.
I agree that LAL should not be the end all be all of Mafia strategies, but in this case, I think we should lynch him for lying. Amber is right, if the Mafia sees that a liar is getting away with it, they can use that to their advantage. It has to be shown that lying will not be taken lightly.
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On November 02 2010 22:59 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too. If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information. So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example? On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies. ^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously. Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that.
Exactly. I thought we were supposed to lynch people for being SCUM, not for lying. This is a bit of a ridiculous policy. Why must it be one way or the other? We have to consider things case by case, not handle them all the same.
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Christ Glasse. I can't imagine you being more ham-fisted in your handling of your role. You had an awesome role, and and your first day you fuck it up. How? If you wanted to instill fear and suspision, you don't say "DOC H IS RED", you leave a clue that looks like it was put there by an admin. You don't roleclaim on day two for fucks sake. You could have played the radio the entire game, making us all think you were written by the admins. But you didn't.
Being the radio jockey dosen't make you blue. It's a perfect role to be assigned to the mafia. You're 10x more suspicious now in my books. And you have hams for fists.
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On November 03 2010 00:22 Lexpar wrote:
Christ Glasse. I can't imagine you being more ham-fisted in your handling of your role. You had an awesome role, and and your first day you fuck it up. How? If you wanted to instill fear and suspision, you don't say "DOC H IS RED", you leave a clue that looks like it was put there by an admin. You don't roleclaim on day two for fucks sake. You could have played the radio the entire game, making us all think you were written by the admins. But you didn't.
Being the radio jockey dosen't make you blue. It's a perfect role to be assigned to the mafia. You're 10x more suspicious now in my books. And you have hams for fists.
Do you not understand that saying anything on there, which would only be my opinion on stuff, instead of just posting it is not different? There's no reason for me to hide shit in the message at all since most it can do is confuse and harm the town, while saying my opinion, which i can say in a post. Mafia obviously knows who mafia is so trying to confuse them is completely useless as i can't even confirm anyone's role to try to make them focus on useless people instead of medics and other important roles.
If pms were allowed in this game i would not have sent that first radio message, as i could have used it to announce stuff we found behind the scene in a group. Now i can just say it out loud, since its the only thing i can fucking do.
Theres no point to my role in this mafia game since pms are not allowed.
Think i'm red if you want, idc, once i get killed or lynched you'll see that i'm blue.
I do agree that this role would have been amazing on red though, if used right.
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Also just the fact that you think i'm red even more than before makes me think you are not the sharpest tool in the box. If i was red i would not have wasted the opportunity to cause chaos.
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