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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
You cant have both. Either I didn't vote for him (which Id didn't) and the clue should not be about me or I did vote for him and then you cant say I'm suspicious because of that.. There where clues from night 1 as well how are they fitting to me? On September 09 2010 03:43 XeliN wrote: I think the panda clue was of the type that the mafia would instantly know it reffered to Pandain and would naturally be quite anxious for people not to make the association or, if it came to that, to be able to dismiss it as ambiguous. Now onto other posts Or it could be that clues are usually pretty worthless in mafia games (at least the ones Ive been in) and most of the time it is better to look at someones posting history? On September 09 2010 03:43 XeliN wrote: This to me is clearly a sign of someone trying to cover themselves, he can claim “I supported the lynch on Pandain and argued why” if Pandain is lynched and revealed to be capitalist whilst at the same time try to avoid that supporting Pandain, saying he will change his vote and perhaps hoping others will follow suit. Mild tendancies in argument can often be a tell in mafia play and IMO Lakris’ posting is an example of it. I’m of the opinion that simply the strength of the clue (subjective but I believe it is a strong one, or as strong as clues are likely to be in this game) as well as his support of Bum’s lynch and mild way in not committing for or against Pandains lynch are enough in and off themselves for the lynch, but if you go over his posts there are other more subtle things I can find but they are more WIFOMy//more subjective. And so gentlemen there’s my evidence mingled with my opinion. Blood is that most precious of substances yet in this example I think it ought be spilled. I wrote that before LSB:s post when even rastaban seemed a little hesitant because Pandain had responded to the charges in a pretty convincing manner. So you have the clue which shouldn't point at me if I didn't vote for Pandain. And you have my indicative votes for the lynch. Is that really strong evidence? It is these accusation without any real tels that lead the town astray, and let the mafia hide in the shadows. You have not answered my post on why you didn't mention Opz in your post of people "associated with Pandain either. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
But as you've brought it up, it seems OpZ did defend Pandain, at least to the extent that he suggested he might not be a capitalist aligned role and people can read into that what they will. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On September 09 2010 04:25 ~OpZ~ wrote: Do we think Pandain was in contact with mafia...or that his role acted like traitors real role? If it functioned like Traitor usually functions, then even me defending Pandain would be USELESS to go against me with. =/ Oh shit. I didn't see that he was a traitor. I'm guessing it functioned like a normal traitor: Pandain didn't know who the mafia were, and they didn't know who he was. It wouldn't be a traitor if they knew each others roles. Now it makes it harder to analyze the people defending/accusing Pandain, and also the people he accused. But i dont think it's useless, as you put it. For example a mafia might note that Pandains posting was not pro-town and so could attempt to defend him if he wanted Pandain to stay alive. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
There were a few things he said early on that I don't think mafia would have said so him not knowing who they were makes some sense. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On September 09 2010 05:12 Hesmyrr wrote: I thought it was pretty obvious. The best argument (that mafia and Pandain did not contact each other) for me was that Pandain lynch went through. I am not sure but I don't think enough people have publicly revealed their intent to vote for Pandain - or at least rescinded at last second - to attain majority? That means that mafia team mass lurk-voted, probably thinking he was either SK or town. We may have to reevaluate Zeks then since pandain's posts had kind of cleared him, well for that case even LSB and I could be scum not knowing he was out there. Though, it is likely they did know there was one, just not who. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
On September 08 2010 12:17 Caller wrote: Not Night Yet Pandain was in the midst of defending himself when suddenly he was shot multiple times by a variety of hand guns, most of which were proud Soviet issued Nagants but a handful of which did not seem Soviet. One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon. In any case, whichever shot killed him, as Pandain fell so did the bags of money he was holding. Such a traitor to the Soviet cause deserved his punishment. Pandain the Capitalist-aligned Traitor is dead. Pending Judgement: Zeks-10 Hours Wouldn't he have written traitor in blue as well if it was the name of the mafia? I wont treat Zeks as cleared. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 27 2010 08:57 Caller wrote: NKVD Officer: You suspect of a traitor within the ranks. You may investigate one person of your choice each night, and have the powers of an officer. Your investigation will reveal the person’s level of material wealth. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
in class. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On September 09 2010 05:45 XeliN wrote: Traitor is just a term generically used for them, the whole premise of this game was traitours hiding amongst us. No, look at the OP. Pandain's role is listed as Traitor in black. However the words capitalist aligned are in blue. Also, i'm not 100% on this, but I think that in past Red Army Mafia games the capitalists (mafia) have been colored in blue. I think what Hesmyrr said is correct: the mafia didn't know Pandain was traitor, hence the lack of vocal support for Pandain in the thread. Instead they just silently voted. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On September 09 2010 10:06 Infundibulum wrote: No, look at the OP. Pandain's role is listed as Traitor in black. However the words capitalist aligned are in blue. Also, i'm not 100% on this, but I think that in past Red Army Mafia games the capitalists (mafia) have been colored in blue. I think what Hesmyrr said is correct: the mafia didn't know Pandain was traitor, hence the lack of vocal support for Pandain in the thread. Instead they just silently voted. There was support for Pandain. Just they didn't do a completely all or nothing support. Probably because Pandain "was sure" that he was going to live. (When I PMed him, Pandain did not think he would die) As for the supporter of Pandain On September 08 2010 18:33 XeliN wrote: 1. Lakrismamma - One of the few people to defend Pandain, and the way he does it is very "lukewarm" typically a tell in my eyes, even at one point publically changes his mind after one post from pandain. 2. Infundibulum - Another who supports Pandain, the nature of his posts are less telling than Lakris's to me but thats speculation, to point out just one clear thing. At one point he lists all of Bumatlarge's posts and accuses him of being scum on quite poor reasoning, he does the same for Pandain although instead asserts that he believes pandain to just be playing innocent green. On September 08 2010 22:33 lakrismamma wrote: I think that Opz quite clearly defended Pandain. I find it weird that you didn't mention that when you so clearly pointed out me and infundi. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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