EPTNotice that Pandian was the Capitalist-aligned Traitor. Does that mean there is more than one anti-soviet group?
That will change my thinking a lot. Right now I'm assuming that there is only one anti-soviet group.
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Notice that Pandian was the Capitalist-aligned Traitor. Does that mean there is more than one anti-soviet group? That will change my thinking a lot. Right now I'm assuming that there is only one anti-soviet group. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On September 09 2010 10:29 LSB wrote: Here's another theory I'm thinking of. Notice that Pandian was the Capitalist-aligned Traitor. Does that mean there is more than one anti-soviet group? That will change my thinking a lot. Right now I'm assuming that there is only one anti-soviet group. hmm well i believe anything is possible with caller. Though i was sad to see pandain not be a man eating panda. He said some guns were not soviet, and one was even a big hand cannon or something, so that would lead me to think 2 other groups? Or maybe one other group and a vig? Or maybe he just implied that his own people shot him too. Those are the options that seem to make sense. However the caveat is always on my mind when thinking of these things. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
There is probably an SK and mafia.... And infundi....What exactly is a Panda? | ||
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rastaban
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Infundibulum
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Hopefully if ~OpZ~ gets off another investigation we'll have clearer idea about the result of investigation. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil... Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak. | ||
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LSB
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do? i've been having a spot of trouble analyzing people this game. anyway this is the way i've been thinking about it: probable town: Hesmyrr - especially if Opz is telling the truth, though he did forget about the russian rastaban - very pro-town plans, like using #trial, reasoning for public vote, accused Pandain LSB - defended bumatlarge, accused Pandain. keeping an eye on: xelin - inactive until i pointed out his inactivity could be a grounds for a lynch. he's started posting more pro-town recently, but some of them are based on the incorrect assumption that Pandain was mafia, when he's a traitor. this is probably an innocent mistake on his part. his latest analysis post about lakrismamma is interesting too, but not much discussion has come of it. zeks - so inactive that it's hard to put a read on him either way. we have what Pandain said, but Pandain didn't know any roles (unless Caller changed the fundamentals of the traitor) so it's hard to base anything from that. Opz - claimed nkvd, meaning he would be the 2nd detective in a 15 person game. Depending on role setup this is very plausible. However a mafia fake claim is a very powerful play in this setup. deconduo - i'm neutral on him. he's active but nothing about his posts is telling to me either way. noted that he flip flopped like lakrismamma did on Pandain lynch lakrismamma - here we have a person that has become paired with xelin, because xelin accused him. while xelin makes some good points and an okay clue analysis, he hasn't been the most innocent behaving person so it's hard to judge his motives in this post. divinek - he's made a decent number of posts but i can't recall any that were very helpful --- some of the players have not once publicly stated their votes. this strikes me as very suspicious: i think freedom loving communist players would have no problem with writing down their votes in the thread for all comrades to see. these players are Xelin and zeks. The other problem is that some people have stated their votes on some accusations but not all, and for all we know some just havent been voting. it's a mess keeping track of this. One thing i will do is compile all accusations into a list and keep it updated. ---- Out of 15 players, I'm pretty sure there are 3 mafia since traditionally mafia count is 20%. Caller sometimes does wonky role stuff,but 3 mafia is reasonable. The 2 kp is strange, since that is very high KP for 15 players. It makes me think there are some stronger town roles (i believe south as the third kill was not killed by mafia). There is probably 1 special mafia role like RB or GF. So if i had to pick 3 players right now, i would pick divinek, zeks, and xelin. I am not very confident though so I'd like to see everyone else posting their thoughts. Please, agree/disagree with me and provide some insight. --- The medic: right now I am unsure if there is a medic in this game. The reason for this is that South's death went through so quickly. So there are a few options possible: 1) there is a medic(s) and he sent in his protection quickly and it wasn't on south 2) whatever killed south was unable to be stopped by a medic, so Caller didnt have to wait for the medics action 3) there is no medic | ||
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Infundibulum
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Caller
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Judgement on Zeks-Not Guilty Pending Judgement: lakrismamma-8 or so hours | ||
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Infundibulum
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Divinek
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
The clue alone on him ought be strong enough, although the speculation about Pandain blurrs the waters slightly, alot of my accusation on him was based upon the assumption that he knew Pandains role which now at least is in question. | ||
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~OpZ~
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
On September 09 2010 07:50 ~OpZ~ wrote: well fuck. good catch that they are all traitors. pandain guessed my role. hesmyrr is possible scum. im nkvd. will post later. hasmyrr time to roleclaim to town for you. This is huge and it requires further explanation. Why did you decide to roleclaim now? 1. The town is in a pretty good situation with 1/3 or 1/4 mafia lynched. 2. It is not sure that the medic exists at all. The early kill day one seems to indicate that. 3. How did Pandain guess it, in PM? Even if pandain guessed it its not sure that he was in contact with the rest of the mafia. The voting seems to suggest otherwise. On September 09 2010 08:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: hesmyrr. he has no worth. will be more specific later. gotta check pm from caller for proper wording. page 16 bottom i called him worthless. check it out. in class. If you checked Hesmyrr day one why did you write he was possibly scum? What clues did you get from Caller? On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do? I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil... Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak. What mistake did SR make? On September 09 2010 14:10 XeliN wrote: I'm tempted to quote my accusation post but that would seem abit churlish, I'll be blunt it hasn't yet elicited the response I was hoping for, I thought I provide some strong, logical and consistent analysis on Lakris. The clue alone on him ought be strong enough, although the speculation about Pandain blurrs the waters slightly, alot of my accusation on him was based upon the assumption that he knew Pandains role which now at least is in question. You didn't, you had one clue that was pretty far fetched. And then you had me being insecure about the lynch. That was before the big post LSB made that made Pandains defense buckle. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On September 09 2010 19:05 lakrismamma wrote: This is huge and it requires further explanation. Why did you decide to roleclaim now? 1. The town is in a pretty good situation with 1/3 or 1/4 mafia lynched. 2. It is not sure that the medic exists at all. The early kill day one seems to indicate that. 3. How did Pandain guess it, in PM? Even if pandain guessed it its not sure that he was in contact with the rest of the mafia. The voting seems to suggest otherwise. If you checked Hesmyrr day one why did you write he was possibly scum? What clues did you get from Caller? What mistake did SR make? You didn't, you had one clue that was p retty far fetched. And then you had me being insecure about the lynch. That was before the big post LSB made that made Pandains defense buckle. You need to read thread better. All your questions have been answered. Someone pointed out the officers are looking for a traitor in their ranks. So we figured it made sense all mafia were traitors. I was the one suggesting otherwise up until this point. The rest of them? Go read the other peoples posts in relation to mine. I thought Pandain was SK. And Hesmyrr was pushing for his lynch. You haven't read anything if I gotta explain why I said Hesmyrr was POSSIBLE scum. Soviets should have "Low" as their level of wealth. But Caller PM's some fucked up shit sometimes. WE HAD A COMPLETE DISCUSSION ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED ME. LRN2READ | ||
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
These are you posts since your roleclaim: On September 09 2010 08:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: hesmyrr. he has no worth. will be more specific later. gotta check pm from caller for proper wording. page 16 bottom i called him worthless. check it out. in class. On September 09 2010 11:40 ~OpZ~ wrote: I like how every game of Mafia on this forum, when there isn't mafia blood the first two lynches resorts to "I don't think there is mafia".....or some "two groups" argument... There is probably an SK and mafia.... And infundi....What exactly is a Panda? On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do? I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil... Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak. On September 09 2010 16:39 ~OpZ~ wrote: Xelin....Do you like beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares? How have you answered my questions? Especially the first one why you chose to roleclaim since it is a bad play imo if you are an detective? Also the one about Southrawrea what mistake are you referring to? How am I to believe you are a detective if you make no sense? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On September 07 2010 23:02 rastaban wrote: ## Accuse Pandain I am going to support this. I have felt he has been playing different this game. He has been town in all the games I have played with him, and it is usually fairly obvious. This game he has been different, the biggest thing that stands out to me is that he is not looking for or pushing for town plans. He is a player who loves town plans and usually has some of his own, they range from bad to good, but he always at least propose them. I haven't seen him pushing for any plans this game. This ontop of others suspicions makes me agree this is probably a good lynch I haven't played with Pandain before, but the seems like a pretty valid accusation. After the revalation of the Panda killer role, in my head everything lined up and I vote yes for the Pandain lynch. However I felt like Pandain defended himself quite well and made pretty good points. I (foolishly) withdrew my vote for the time being to think about it a bit more. He was dead when I next woke up >.< This game goes too fast imo. I honestly didn't think the Pandain lynch would go through, but in hindsight I'm obviously glad it did. Unfortunately, until we know more information on his role (traitor or actual maf) theres not a whole lot we can deduce from his death. We can however work off each assumption and see if anything lines up. My thoughts on some people: Townies: ~OpZ~ Claimed NVKD. Says Hesmyrr is poor. Seems to be legit, but I would wonder why he claimed at the time he did, especially with no evidence to show that we have medics. Pandain attempted to get him lynched. Rastaban I've gotten a pro town read from him for most of the game. Pushed for the Pandain lynch. LSB I feel is pretty townie. Pushed pretty hard with rasta for the Pandain lynch. If we can verify that Pandain was a 'proper' maf we can pretty much clear these 3 imo. Doesn't say much if he was an actual traitor though. Hesmyrr Pretty much cleared if Opz is legit. Could be GF though. Neutrals: Xelin Can't really read him properly tbh. Interesting accusation against Lakris. Infundibulum Just don't have any sort of a read of him. Zeks Pandain pushed for his lynch, but there is an interesting quote from him after Pandain died: On September 08 2010 12:50 zeks wrote: once i die lynch OpZ that is all Considering Opz is our claimed DT, I'm not too sure what he meant by this. Fosses: Lakrismamma Accused right now. Xelin has shown a pretty strong case against him. Divinek My current FOS. Both he and Pandain claimed Radfield suggested the bumatlarge lynch, he seemed to be pals with Pandain too. Hasn't contributed anything since the bumatlarge lynch. The good news is that no one is lurking anymore, not to any significant extent anyway. Finally some thoughts on our situation. 10 of us alive, and we don't really have any information on the roles. No one has stepped forward to claim for the southrawr death, so we still don't know if that was a once off or what. Apart from that it seems like the maf had 2KP, or possibly 1 KP + an SK. Best situation, if lakris is lynched and is town: We have a medic, and neither opz nor hesmyrr die. The pandain lynch reduced the maf KP to 1. We start tomorrow with an extra report and 8 alive. In theory this gives us 3 clears if neither are GF, 4 if the medic steps forward. If maf still have 2 KP, same situation leaves us with 7 alive and 3-4 clears. If hesmyrr dies it leaves us with 7 alive and 2-3 clears If we have no medic and hes + opz dies, this leaves us in big trouble. 7 alive with a possible 3 of them being maf, (2 being more likely) and no one clear per se. So we really need to hope we have a medic. If lakris is a maf then we are in an awesome situation. That leaves us with maf almost certainly on 1 KP, and probably with only 1 left alive. Even if Opz dies, we are left with a probably clear in hesmyrr. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Lets get one more investigation from Opz before we worry about confirming our comrade Opz, good luck hunting down some capitalists | ||
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