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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 09 2010 18:50 GMT
#401
~OpZ~ ur accusation was too late
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 09 2010 18:50 GMT
#402
Nice going guys. Yeah, I have a feeling that if we kill divinek we win. Everyone else seems to be mostly clearish.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 09 2010 18:56 GMT
#403
I don't want to count our chicken's too early, but very well played guys.

here are my thoughts, if Div doesn't pan out we can reevaluate and pick off the outliers since we have more time. First time I have accused Div when I wasn't scum lol, it feel so weird.

Opz, claimed, pretty risky to do I am going to say town for now
LSB - Town, support the pandain lynch with good information scum would be afraid of it backfiring if he was scum)
Xelin - Working with me in PMs pushing lakrismamma (scum too afraid of backfire if they knew lakriss was innocent)
Rastaban: Hesmyrr - innocent mainly because even if opz was scum he would never try to clear another scum buddy with his check
DivineK - Scum, usualy plays as a scummy town but this game he seems to be posting really safe, he has one posts that is a dead giveaway where he says he thinks zeks is a good choice but then says he won't vote for him (check vers guide this is a huge scum tell)
Infun - Didn't vote pandain and admits only after lynch, scum would claim to have voted for it most likely
Zeks - tooo quiet to get a read on so a fall back option, probably town though since he is so bored
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 09 2010 18:58 GMT
#404
This was cribbed from some PMs between Xelin and I, I tried to clean it up but it looks like I missed some of the formatting. The gist is still pretty clear.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
September 09 2010 19:00 GMT
#405
man people are so bad as reading me as scum. The one game im scum i never have anyone actually push for my lynch and every other game that im not they all want me to die . I really should be putting in more effort to analyze people and stuff, but this game is fun enough as it is.

You realize that if i was scum i would be making an over the top effort to look town...that's what any scum would do, for sure the ones with a brain that actually want to win. Or at least not break something so obvious as that which ver just mentioned recently rofl.

Why don't you just get opz to check me out if you're so sure.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 09 2010 19:03 GMT
#406
Nice job Rasta and Xelin!
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 09 2010 19:10 GMT
#407
Actually your play this game has way less scummy than usual, thats why I think you are probably the last scum, you bring up a good point though, I am all for Opz checking you, but since we don't have a doctor I don't give him good odds of making it through the night.

Now yeah I forgot I left in the part about the dead giveaway, I still need to go back through all the posts so far and see if Lakriss had any connections since he is obviously working with the Scum unlike Pandain. Once I have done this I can be more sure, but even in my quick glance I noticed you didn't comment once on Lakrismamma and you never listed how you were voting on the issue. If I missed something please correct me.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
September 09 2010 19:34 GMT
#408
well xelin my friend you have redeemed yourself
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
September 09 2010 19:37 GMT
#409
On September 10 2010 03:47 rastaban wrote:
DivineK is the last capitalist my brothers, if I die tonight Lynch him for my sake. Otherwise I will lead the charge come daylight.


he is not the last one, there are 2 more i'm 95% sure. but like i said earlier in the thread, divinek is sketchy at best
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 09 2010 19:38 GMT
#410
On September 10 2010 04:37 Infundibulum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 03:47 rastaban wrote:
DivineK is the last capitalist my brothers, if I die tonight Lynch him for my sake. Otherwise I will lead the charge come daylight.


he is not the last one, there are 2 more i'm 95% sure. but like i said earlier in the thread, divinek is sketchy at best


Very interesting, I must have missed that, sorry.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 09 2010 19:40 GMT
#411
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game?
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
September 09 2010 19:41 GMT
#412
On September 09 2010 23:03 lakrismamma wrote:
Chill out dude? That I ask you to explain yourself is not very strange is it?
These are you posts since your roleclaim:

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 08:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
hesmyrr. he has no worth. will be more specific later. gotta check pm from caller for proper wording. page 16 bottom i called him worthless. check it out.

in class.


Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 11:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like how every game of Mafia on this forum, when there isn't mafia blood the first two lynches resorts to "I don't think there is mafia".....or some "two groups" argument...

There is probably an SK and mafia....

And infundi....What exactly is a Panda?


Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do?

I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil...

Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak.


Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 16:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Xelin....Do you like beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares?


How have you answered my questions? Especially the first one why you chose to roleclaim since it is a bad play imo if you are an detective?

Also the one about Southrawrea what mistake are you referring to?

How am I to believe you are a detective if you make no sense?


This is a very interesting post in light of lakrismamma's death

here he is either

1) attempting to create doubt in town about Opz DT claim
2) if opz is scum then lakris is 'distancing' himself from Opz

at this point i'm inclined to believe option (1) is the case here, the motive is clearer especially with the last line "how am i to believe you?"
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
September 09 2010 19:44 GMT
#413
On September 10 2010 04:40 rastaban wrote:
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game?


yes, i remarked a bit on that in my long post an page 19. the thing is traditional hosting wisdom is 20% mafia (3/15) and 10% kill power rounded down (1.5/15 -> 1 kp)

so the seeming 2 kp of the mafia was very interesting to me, and my current assessment is that it is balanced by some more powerful town roles or 3rd party role(s). SR's death is a big factor here since i'm pretty sure that was either a town or 3rd party play.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 09 2010 19:49 GMT
#414
On September 10 2010 04:44 Infundibulum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 04:40 rastaban wrote:
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game?


yes, i remarked a bit on that in my long post an page 19. the thing is traditional hosting wisdom is 20% mafia (3/15) and 10% kill power rounded down (1.5/15 -> 1 kp)

so the seeming 2 kp of the mafia was very interesting to me, and my current assessment is that it is balanced by some more powerful town roles or 3rd party role(s). SR's death is a big factor here since i'm pretty sure that was either a town or 3rd party play.


I don't see how it could be town, since they should have revealed themselves by now since that role would have been crucial.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
September 09 2010 19:56 GMT
#415
On September 10 2010 04:49 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 04:44 Infundibulum wrote:
On September 10 2010 04:40 rastaban wrote:
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game?


yes, i remarked a bit on that in my long post an page 19. the thing is traditional hosting wisdom is 20% mafia (3/15) and 10% kill power rounded down (1.5/15 -> 1 kp)

so the seeming 2 kp of the mafia was very interesting to me, and my current assessment is that it is balanced by some more powerful town roles or 3rd party role(s). SR's death is a big factor here since i'm pretty sure that was either a town or 3rd party play.


I don't see how it could be town, since they should have revealed themselves by now since that role would have been crucial.


if it's a town with remaining night kills then it's possible that they don't want to reveal. I mean it's only night 2 right now, and we're basing all of this off 1 night of kills. But as for me, I don't see how it could have been mafia because mafia kills always happen at the end of Night. So that means 3rd party? Or maybe Pandain really did do it. Caller is an evil mastermind, toying wit us like this :s
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 09 2010 20:38 GMT
#416
Okay, so rastaban is definitely cleared via flavour. That's awesome.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 09 2010 20:44 GMT
#417
Medic on ~OpZ~, and even if I die ~OpZ~ will then be able to confirm what his action result actually means which is awesome. My only worry is that there might not be prot role, but we'll see.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 09 2010 22:25 GMT
#418
On September 10 2010 04:56 Infundibulum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 04:49 rastaban wrote:
On September 10 2010 04:44 Infundibulum wrote:
On September 10 2010 04:40 rastaban wrote:
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game?


yes, i remarked a bit on that in my long post an page 19. the thing is traditional hosting wisdom is 20% mafia (3/15) and 10% kill power rounded down (1.5/15 -> 1 kp)

so the seeming 2 kp of the mafia was very interesting to me, and my current assessment is that it is balanced by some more powerful town roles or 3rd party role(s). SR's death is a big factor here since i'm pretty sure that was either a town or 3rd party play.


I don't see how it could be town, since they should have revealed themselves by now since that role would have been crucial.


if it's a town with remaining night kills then it's possible that they don't want to reveal. I mean it's only night 2 right now, and we're basing all of this off 1 night of kills. But as for me, I don't see how it could have been mafia because mafia kills always happen at the end of Night. So that means 3rd party? Or maybe Pandain really did do it. Caller is an evil mastermind, toying wit us like this :s


All right then, accounting for that possibility.

If you are a Vigilante, please go after Zeks or Divinek
Zeks has been really inactive, Divinek has been accused by Rasta.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
September 09 2010 22:42 GMT
#419
I should be investigating LSB to be honest....Mafia would have known Pandain wasn't on their team and would want what I claimed to him. Keep this in mind.

I think Lakris trying to push for my death or atleast argue for it should be good enough to clear me ffs.

I mean, check it. He wants you to doubt me as DT, he wants me to die, he was trying to hound me and couldn't read through the thread?

If I hadn't just claimed out of no where, I HAD NO PRESSURE TO CLAIM except that LSB's suggestion that all scum were labeled "Traitor". I was hardly attached to Pandain and could easily of said nothing except I thought hesmyrr was being scummy. Even if I was mafia, I would not of known to defend Pandain. So if I was mafia...I would be defending a random person who I would (always) assume wasn't aligned with me because his name wouldn't have been PM'd to me?

-________________-

Where is the logic in that?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 09 2010 22:54 GMT
#420
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Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
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