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DAY 1 POST
KORYNNE REPLACES PANDAIN
NIGHT 1 POST
DAY 2 POST
NIGHT 2 POST
DAY 3 POST
EXTENSION USED + DARTHTHIENAN REPLACES JAYME
NIGHT 3 POST
DAY 4 POST
GAME END- ROLE PM AND NIGHT ACTIONS
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Introduction
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.
This mafia game works slightly different than the normal one, so I'll explain it a bit more. During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead (it's a good idea to discuss them during day so you know ahead of time). Any player with a special role that can act during the night must PM me their actions each and every night.
If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by whatever analysis, teamwork, or guile they have. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
The game is typically very active and there are usually numerous walls of text to wade through. If you are not a person who likes reading then I highly suggest you don't play the game because it is essential to being informed within the game. I will not compensate for ignorance.
@ Copyright by TL, TL Mafia XXVI 2010.
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This is 10 Townie, 3 Mafia (KP=1) setup.
Special Setup Rules
1. In case of Penalty violation, I will warn you privately using PM. After three warning, you'll be mod-killed. Also if you are still violating your penalty when the time period ends, you'll be mod-killed regardless of how much warning you had. It won't result in a ban, but it's rather a stupid way to go.
2. In case of where the strategic penalty death via modkill occurs, I will give Mafia one additional KP per one deliberate modkill following night. (I will assume all penalty modkill to be deliberate since unless you are not paying attention at all they are fairly difficult to break)
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.
4. You may talk during the night. Mafia can only communicate privately with each other during the night.
5. PM is forbidden in this setup. No lynch is allowed in this setup.
General Rules
1. Flaming (personal attacks) will not be allowed. However, aggressively or harshly criticizing someone's arguments is NOT equivalent to demeaning someone and will be allowed.
2. Cheating is not allowed and will result in mod-kill and PERMANENT ban from any future games. Following are the list of offenses I have borrowed and editted from TL:
* Posting after death. You may have one goodbye post, but it may not contain any potential game-changing information. * Revealing someone else's role without any legitimate reason behind it. (example: single mafia member concedes and reveal his entire teammates without permission) * Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. * Comparing role PM times to determine roles. This means that you are highly discouraged from posting "Yay just got my role PM!" until the day 1 post. * Posting screenshots of your inbox. * Posting role PM you receive from a host. * Editing posts. First editing will result in a warning, and repeated editing a ban. Multiple posting or saying all your content in a single post is highly encouraged instead of editing. What you do if you mess up: Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am vry certain. TLBOT said [quot]I am Mafia[/quot] for god's sake! Why are we not lynching TLBOT? Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:56 Hesmyrr wrote:I am very* certain. TLBOT said I am Mafia for god's sake! Why are we not lynching TLBOT?
3. Voting should be posted in the thread as ##Vote [player] (bolded). ##Unvote is not necessary when changing vote but is appreciated. All vote change must be done manually, and you cannot vote for anyone dead or outside the game (voting yourself is allowed).
4. In the event of a tie the person with the most vote first is lynched over the other person. If a deadline is reached without majority the player with the highest number of votes is lynched.
5. Voting is mandatory. If you wish to abstain a.k.a. no lynch, either ##Vote abstain and ##Vote no lynch is acceptable (some setups may NOT allow abstaining, so pay attention to special rules). If you miss a vote, you will receive a warning. Second offense will result in a mod-kill and ban. This setup operates on deadline lynch instead of Majority lynch so no excuse to not follow this rule.
6. You must post at least once in this thread per one time cycle. (from the start of the day to the end of the following night) Failure to comply will result in replacement and potential ban.
7. In case where you require to be afk for sudden real-life problems, the rule five and six may be relaxed by discretion of the mod:
*You will NOT be banned if you immediately ask for replacement should you be uncertain of meeting rule five and six.
*If you had been active contributor on the thread, you may v/a with clear statement on when you will be back. Mod will keep you in the game or replace you at his/her discretion.
8. If you are banned you will not be allowed to play in one of my games, and some mods may decide the same also depending on severity of your offense. Inactivity and mod-kills are bad; PLEASE don't make me do it.
9. Strategic mod-kill/replacements are NOT allowed.
10. My game follows 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. However, in case of clear lylo the day will be extended to 72 hours. Also, in every day if 1/3 of living players request so I'll grant 24 hour extension (to do so post ##extension).
11. In order to sign in you must post /in or ##in here. Signups will be closed once the required number of people have been reached. After the game has started, you may also PM the mod to join the Replacement list.
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Player list
1. youngminii
2. chaoser
3. Pandain Korynne
4. Ace
5. citi.zen
6. Bill Murray
7. Divinek
8. zeks
9. bumatlarge
10. Scamp
11. Jayme DarthThienAn
12. LSB
13. Pyrrhuloxia
Roles Included player list:
+ Show Spoiler +1. youngminii Selfish Townie lynched day two
2. chaoser Obvious Day-Vigilante Killed End Game.
3. Korynne Pandain Dogmatic Townie lynched day three
4. Ace Nytophobic Doctor killed night one
5. citi.zen Suicidal Townie Killed End Game.
6. Bill Murray Mafia Goon shot day four.
7. Divinek Mafia Goon Wins day four.
8. zeks Pitiful Townie killed night two
9. bumatlarge Equivocating Townie Killed End Game.
10. Scamp Mafia Goon Wins day four.
11. Jayme DarthThienAn Goth Miller Killed End Game.
12. LSB Ambitious Detective/Vanilla Townie killed night three
13. Pyrrhuloxia Cautious Detective lynched day one
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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can we please get a voting thread? It'd be a lot easier on EVERYONE if there was a place to just look at votes.
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Hmm, alright. I'll make one when the game starts. Changing the rule accordingly...
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meh if there's a voting thread I'm /out
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Making my final decision here: I know some people want voting thread, but because it results in few things I do not really like (makes voting less noticeable, making a vote directly in the post encourages further explanation) I made up my mind that I am not going to be using voting threads in any of my setups. I will keep track of vote count on the OP, but that will be the best I will probably end up doing. I apologize to people who like voting threads, and you are always free to /out if you feel dissatisfied with my choice. I also removed Ace from player list honouring his wishes.
Also this is the mod format (bolded, italicized and green) try to refrain from using them 
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/out for this one, sorry. I want to watch a couple, see what it looks like from the flamewheel perspecitve 
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Hesmyrr, isn't that the opposite of Ace's wishes? lol.
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Well, he /out so even if I changed the thing he had qualms against it isn't in my place to keep him in a player list. He can /in again anytime anyway.
Edit: True. I didn't read his comment carefully enough. I'll put his name back in again and hopefully he can contact me if there is problem.
Second Edit: I just realized I am continually following what the other peoples are telling me to do xD
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Yeah, I mean I'll sure he'll /in if he wants, but he said /out "if there's a voting thread". And you're not having a separate voting thread... so... in theory, if that's the reason he /out'ed, he would want to /in.
Whatever ^^. Ace can take care of himself.
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On July 23 2010 06:18 BrownBear wrote:/out for this one, sorry. I want to watch a couple, see what it looks like from the flamewheel perspecitve
We may giggle and eat popcorn together.
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slot me in for replacement >_>
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Also, what about strategic penalty death via modkill? i know you're saying "no strategic modkills", but with a setup like this, I could be like "well, i didn't know!" when i'm like a mad hatter and penalty death on purpose. Furthermore, without this reflecting on the ban list (which it shouldn't, as this is a weird way to be modkilled), what repercussions would someone have for strategically being penalty killed? you say they won't be banned for it, so I had to ask.
In conclusion, I feel like when someone gets 3 penalties they shouldnt be modkilled. You should punish them in another way, like taking away their votes for 1 day on the first time they've done it, and like 3 days subsequently similar to the ban system. This wouldn't really fix the issue I have with hatters being able to essentially kill theirselves. If you're not including hatters, or if blue roles don't have penalties, though, I have no real qualms.
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It's pretty simple. Let me just quickly cook something up.
[Gossiper Townie]
You are Townie, and you have no special night abilities. However you have extreme desire to gossip away everything you know, and the presence of PR visiting you is so very exciting that you know it is a tale you must tell. If any blue role visits you during the night, at the following day post mod will state that "[player] has visited Gossiper Townie.
(Actually this is terrible example since I can see various ways this ability could be used to get ridiculous amount of clears, but you get the gist.)
There may also be several well-established anti-town or weakened roles like: Beloved Princess, (Unaware) Insane/Paranoid/Naive Doctor, and Miller.
In case of where the strategic penalty death via modkill occurs, I will give Mafia one additional KP per one deliberate modkill following night. That can actually be huge blow to the town. I don't expect truly unintentional penalty modkill to occur since all the penalties are fairly hard to unintentionally break.
Also the problem with taking vote away argument is, let's say there is Mafia who says inability to do A is his penalty and Townie saying inability to B is his penalty. So town says "hey guys, break you penalties! If mod do something bad to you we know you are being genuine" followed up by "B lost his vote but A did not! A is confirmed lying scum gogogo". Thus, punishment lesser than mod-kill can make penalty breaking a excellent way to get clears. But if B ends up being killed, and mafia get one additional KP because of it, though the town has sure lynch the next day, such tactic no longer becomes beneficial to the town.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Hesmyrr, is this balanced already?
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Cant
not
play
hrrrrghhhh
/in
*pant pant pant*
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On July 24 2010 05:27 rastaban wrote:
##in
forgot to bold o.O
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On July 24 2010 01:27 flamewheel wrote:
Hesmyrr, is this balanced already?
Assuming random lynch and PR action the setup doesn't seem to be completely unbalanced, but I changed some of the roles after I run the test sample games. If you want to you could if you recommend someone who could quickly look it overI will be pretty happy to hear so.
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On July 23 2010 09:58 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 06:18 BrownBear wrote:/out for this one, sorry. I want to watch a couple, see what it looks like from the flamewheel perspecitve We may giggle and eat popcorn together.
Can I too!?
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On July 24 2010 06:22 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 09:58 flamewheel wrote:On July 23 2010 06:18 BrownBear wrote:/out for this one, sorry. I want to watch a couple, see what it looks like from the flamewheel perspecitve We may giggle and eat popcorn together. Can I too!?
There's more than enough popcorn for all of us!!! 
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On July 24 2010 06:03 Hesmyrr wrote:Assuming random lynch and PR action the setup doesn't seem to be completely unbalanced, but I changed some of the roles after I run the test sample games. If you want to you could if you recommend someone who could quickly look it overI will be pretty happy to hear so.
I can recommend myself
Or Qatol, Incognito, Ver; basically hosts who aren't playing.
^_^v
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On July 24 2010 09:05 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 06:03 Hesmyrr wrote:On July 24 2010 01:27 flamewheel wrote:
Hesmyrr, is this balanced already? Assuming random lynch and PR action the setup doesn't seem to be completely unbalanced, but I changed some of the roles after I run the test sample games. If you want to you could if you recommend someone who could quickly look it overI will be pretty happy to hear so. I can recommend myself Or Qatol, Incognito, Ver; basically hosts who aren't playing. ^_^v
Done :D I actually made two town roles weaker AFTER I ran the balance checkup, so now I am growing slightly concerned that the setup is now somewhat mafia-sided...
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Hehe even if this game is unbalanced it's still going to be amazingly funny. Can't wait to see the penalties in store.
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Sent you back my recommendations, Hesmyrr. PM me for contact information if you want anything else~
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I think I want in on this.
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On July 25 2010 09:00 Scamp wrote:
I think I want in on this.
I am going to assume this is "/in" ~.~
Will send reply to you soon Flamewheel 
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/in
if there's still space!
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only 4 more? nice
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Oh right Hesmyrr if I do not respond to your PM within 24 hours bug me about it ;_;
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13 is a bad number to stall at, especially for how long this has been open.
Gencon is coming up. I'm not sure I want to play mafia during that.
Unfortunately, as much as I want to play, I have to back out of this game for now. =\
##out
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On July 29 2010 12:06 YellowInk wrote:
13 is a bad number to stall at, especially for how long this has been open.
Gencon is coming up. I'm not sure I want to play mafia during that.
Unfortunately, as much as I want to play, I have to back out of this game for now. =\
##out
Done. Sorry to see you go out- TL player list always seem to freeze up just right before filling and stall for a while D: (12 in when 17, 20 in when 25)
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Let me see if I can't rope you in a few more players...
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/out
sorry have to pull out  going to china so wont be able to be active
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One of the currently running games seem to be being nearly over, and Flamewheel's setup nearly full, so hopefully I'll be able to attract some more attention >.> I will also try to figure out a way to reduce player load albeit balance is not guaranteed in such case.
Poll: What should I do?Wait for 17 players to fill up (Setup is checked and no brokenness should occur) (3) 100% Reduce the # of players to about 12 (Setup is not checked, some roles will need to be scratched, bal (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: What should I do? (Vote): Wait for 17 players to fill up (Setup is checked and no brokenness should occur)
(Vote): Reduce the # of players to about 12 (Setup is not checked, some roles will need to be scratched, bal
Also because this signup process has been delayed so much, if anyone previously signed up is not confident he/she will not meet activity requirements feel free to /out so I can accurately determine how much I have to reduce number of the players should you guys choose to do so.
I am soooo running nine player setup next time :p
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/in as a replacement or if you need me reach 17.
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Already devising setup that will reduce player list to 13, mass prods going out.
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I'll decide once I see the final setup ^_^
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Can't turn back now. Keep me in.
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On August 04 2010 08:44 Ace wrote:
I'll decide once I see the final setup ^_^
11-2, mafia KP is 2 until the town is in LyLo/MyLo, in which case it becomes 1. Town is allowed three mislynches. Currently running trial games using purely random number generator, but my concern is still the same as - or even greater than - before: lots of penalties could still come in and distract player into setup/role analysis rather than actual scum hunt. Flamewheel didn't see much problem with it the first time he glanced over the roles in my setup, but still.
Looking at the currently popular demand for thirteen players, I am willing to wait few more days to see if four people will join the setup. I agree that would be best case scenario.
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On August 04 2010 13:38 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
penalty examples?
I don't want to give out much because I do not want to give too much of current setup away, and don't want to give out some of the interesting ones, but I can throw out some of the boring/unfeasible roles I scratched out in initial planning.
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
You win when all mafia dies.
[Scared Townie]
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
You win when all mafia dies.
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hmmm ok since this seems to be for testing purposes I'll join.
/in
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even if this is for testing purposes, i'm going to get ace lynched
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bumping for more recruits.
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*Sigh* better go and polish the 13-player version just in case. At least there'll be less random variable that comes out of nowhere to bash my face in.
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On August 05 2010 12:15 Hesmyrr wrote:
*Sigh* better go and polish the 13-player version just in case. At least there'll be less random variable that comes out of nowhere to bash my face in.
Let me look over it before you let it out of the cage 
Oh hmm I just realized: no homo.
o/
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Mmm if you need help balancing I can help. Game has been out here for a while so you might want to start soon so ppl don't keep hanging That and there's a long queue for games atm.
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fairly sure i already responded to the prod, but i'll do so again
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On August 06 2010 04:33 Bill Murray wrote:
fairly sure i already responded to the prod, but i'll do so again
Oh thank you! I must have missed it.
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![[image loading]](http://www.serenapowers.com/img/dice.jpg)
The roles are being randomly generated... The role PM are being worded for public consumption... OH OOPS I HAVE TO GO AFK BEFORE ADDING FINISHING TOUCHES TO ROLE PM. EXPECT GAME TO START FEW HOURS LATER.
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♦ Day 1 Post
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://crawford.tardigrade.net/journal/album/jhncynfield.jpg) Fingering around the pen in his hand absent-mindedly, Hesmyrr warily waited for his appointments to arrive. Since founding Penaville few months ago he had been consistently badgered by annoying visitors who all demanded something out of him; usually it involved silly personal dispute in desperate need for calmer heads. The extent of conflict just eighteen people could create still amazed him even now. Still, to be visited by those three... He knew it couldn't be no ordinary matter. The town of Penaville was located in still largely uncharted territory of Trasvin, desolate field located north of Liquidpolis. Despite of its proximity to the metropolis no one bothered to go to this barren landscape where nothingness was said to stretch on for miles. Where people only saw an useless land, Hesmyrr had spied an opportunity. Obtaining chunk of Trasvin with cheap price, he built a collection of self-sufficient residences quite far away from the city- and advertised the town as locale where people with personality problems could live freely isolated from normal population. Most preferred to take a chance with psychiatrist instead, but few took up the offer just enough to make the concept viable. Of course he had taken care to turn down those truly mental cases who posed danger to others. One would have been surprised at how many strange people his idea had attracted-- Knocking. Snapping out of his thought, Hesmyrr stood and walked toward the front door. His residence, having only one room, was pretty small, perhaps smaller than one of those expensive apartments offered in the city, but it was enough for him. He did not like wasting his money on unnecessary luxuries. With a smile familiar figure stepped in, followed by two others. "Sorry, I think I was bit late? I kind of took the longer route here stumbling around in darkness." "It's fine. With the town having near non-existent lightning hardly anyone walks on the night anyway. Why did you choose such late time for appointment?" "Had something to do." Hesmyrr watched the third man shrug as he shut the door. Behind him, he could hear the sound of curtain being drawn over the windows. Suddenly, he felt wave of uneasiness washing over him, but he forcibly repelled the sensation. None of the people here was unstable enough to be dangerous; especially these group of individuals. "So what's the problem?" "I came here to discuss my dream." The first man spoke with crooked smile. "...I am interested to hear what your dreams are, though I don't understand how your dream relates to our appointment." "When I was in my twenties," the man narrated near dreamily, "I was rather dissatisfied with life though having succeeded in basic hurdles of life; good education, stable and well-paying job. They were useless to me. I will be stuck into repetitive routine of work, groveling over superiors until I retire and fade into obscurity, without ever obtaining my true desire: power and control. I see you are becoming rather squirmish- note that two of my partners are standing behind you. Let me finish this story for your sake, at least. Eventually I realized creating criminal organization was the way to go. I lack revulsion toward what society calls immoral act, you see. However there stood massive problem. Being from Liquidpolis I am sure you know what it is- their police organization is too efficient. The metropolis has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, the damned elite officers, 'mods', cutting all sprouting illegal activities at its very root. If I endeavor the same my plan will undoubtedly meet the same fate. No, if I am to succeed in my ambitions my first base of operations must be away from the population, out of these mod's sight." " You know where I am going with this?" In last desperation move Hesmyrr sprang up from his chair and started to move toward his room, where he knew was the place his handgun was kept secretly. But before the other two goons could even properly seize him, the first man whipped out gun with a silencer and shot the fleeing founder in back twice. Hesmyrr instantly collapses in agony. "Y... You are only three- never.. you can't overpower rest of ten. I am certain of it." "Wasted final words. All means of communications and transportation was sabotaged, which mean they are stuck with no choice but to find your murderers- and I hardly doubt these group of Townies to discover the true culprits behind your death." The man behind him chuckled. "Hehehe, you may think of upcoming days as good versus evil, but in real life everyone has their little skeletons that always results in their ruin. You yourself know what I'm talking about. We wouldn't even be here if it weren't for you." As the world slowly turns white and the pain in his body started leaving him, Hesmyrr could swear he could once again see the first meeting between him and these group of dangerous criminals... "Everything seems to be in order. There's one thing that concerns me though, before we finish this contract. All three of you are rather normal individuals with no mental or background problem at all- why would you choose to live in such small town over Liquidpolis?" "Do I really need to elaborate?" "See, when I see group of socially successful man opting to go to isolated town full of problematic individuals, it makes me nervous." The man on the table across leans toward him and whispers, "Look, you probably checked us and saw we don't have any problems that should warrant a concern. There's just someone we rather hide from for personal reasons, and though I know our intention is somewhat different from what you intended, I am sure we can work this out somehow..." He sees a black briefcase pushed across the table. It is opened, and despite reliving the entire event in perspective of invisible third party, the thought process is clearly visible in the mind of him at the past, blinded by flash of green: Well, they do have no criminal record.. Plenty of reasons in the world for people to go into isolation... What do I stand to lose anyway?"It's a deal."
Hesmyrr, Greedy Townie, was shot.
The town wakes up only to find themselves in a nightmare. With the corpse of Hesmyrr sprawled on the middle of the town and all vehicles destroyed or missing, it doesn't take much to realize you are likely trapped in this place with mysterious murderer.
Some people panic and run back to their house, some stays behind to bury the dead, and yet another wander around the town looking for the cars that have likely been tucked away somewhere by killer. But within hours, the inevitable consensus is made: During the day, while they are safe from threat of death, they should strike back against the traitors before all of the town ends up dead.
Usual disclaimer that flavour post is irrelevant to the game itself.
The day ends at August 10 2010 08:24
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So do we get to see the number of mafia in this game?
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On August 08 2010 08:26 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
So do we get to see the number of mafia in this game?
Done on the player list post.
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Soo I guess we don't know what roles are out there. Super mysterious. Anyone have any ideas for how to proceed? Anyone play in a game like this before?
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On August 08 2010 08:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Soo I guess we don't know what roles are out there. Super mysterious. Anyone have any ideas for how to proceed? Anyone play in a game like this before?
No PM's gets rid of a few things I think of. Can someone link me to a good example of a No PM game?
But I think we should proceed with lynching the inactives Day 1. It puts pressure on the mafia and the town gets rid of someone that might just be playing lurker.
With the penalties, everyone's abilities are dimminished, so I'm guessing we can't rely on circles and stuff (then again, that thought was kind of dead by the time PM were gone)
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Majority of mafia games are no PM ^_^
With basically no information needless to say we are in a bad position to start off. But fear not! Based on reading my role PM I can make some guesses as to what's possibly a good idea. I think my role, while not powerful is potentially good enough to almost break the game if my hunch is correct. Let me think about what other possible penalties are available.
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Moderator: is this Majority Lynch rules or deadline lynch rules?
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Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:
Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.
We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting.
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Thank you for pointing this out. I believed I added rule regarding this on OP but apparently not.
This setup will follow Deadline Lynch.
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The only consolation for us is the mafia has 1 KP. Other than that I am not sure what to say. The mafia can claim anything and it's going to be hard to trust anyone without role descriptions. I am getting flashbacks from Ace's world war game with the annoying PGO discussions. This could be even more aggravating.
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I assume there's at least going to be a DT and medic. Do we even have vigis? 7 people, 3 mafia, that's like two day/night cycles in worst case scenario?
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I'm not worried about mafia fake claims ^_^.
Chaoser we have 10 townies and 3 scum. 7 townies vs 3 scum is like, uber ridiculous.
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On July 24 2010 00:16 Hesmyrr wrote:It's pretty simple. Let me just quickly cook something up. Show nested quote +[Gossiper Townie]
You are Townie, and you have no special night abilities. However you have extreme desire to gossip away everything you know, and the presence of PR visiting you is so very exciting that you know it is a tale you must tell. If any blue role visits you during the night, at the following day post mod will state that "[player] has visited Gossiper Townie.
(Actually this is terrible example since I can see various ways this ability could be used to get ridiculous amount of clears, but you get the gist.) There may also be several well-established anti-town or weakened roles like: Beloved Princess, (Unaware) Insane/Paranoid/Naive Doctor, and Miller. In case of where the strategic penalty death via modkill occurs, I will give Mafia one additional KP per one deliberate modkill following night. That can actually be huge blow to the town. I don't expect truly unintentional penalty modkill to occur since all the penalties are fairly hard to intentionally break. Also the problem with taking vote away argument is, let's say there is Mafia who says inability to do A is his penalty and Townie saying inability to B is his penalty. So town says "hey guys, break you penalties! If mod do something bad to you we know you are being genuine" followed up by "B lost his vote but A did not! A is confirmed lying scum gogogo". Thus, punishment lesser than mod-kill can make penalty breaking a excellent way to get clears. But if B ends up being killed, and mafia get one additional KP because of it, though the town has sure lynch the next day, such tactic no longer becomes beneficial to the town.
OK, so there may be a beloved princess (2 night cycles in a row if she is killed), a doctor of some sort and a miller. Ace thinks a vigi as well. Presumably a DT role? Plus some odd roles.
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oh ok, for some reason I thought there were only 10 people playing, guess it was 10 townies.
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what's the difference between all the doctors?
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On August 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:
Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.
We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting.
I think everyone but the mafia has a penalty:
all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
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On August 08 2010 10:17 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:
Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.
We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting. I think everyone but the mafia has a penalty: Show nested quote +all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.
Whatever that means. Probably I'm guessing that Mafia penalties aren't hurtful penalties, so what you were thinking
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On August 08 2010 10:17 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:
Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.
We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting. I think everyone but the mafia has a penalty: Show nested quote +all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
If all the townies have penalties but scum don't then we have to have some kind of overpowered roles. Either way this is pretty good news. I know scum have fake claims but I think we can figure this out.
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I'm just really confused
I can't think of any plans that work. Is there a good game that I can read that's similar?
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You just have to get the ball rolling. With most theme games with scarce information you gotta find a way to get something going. The game just started though so I wanna see how active we all are before I make a major move. I'm betting the town has to have an overpowered Vigilante or some other insane killing role. Based on the OP the town has "nerfed" powers whereas the scum obviously don't (as far as we know). Being that in a standard game scum start out with the advantage I'm of the idea that if the town has penalties there has to be a reason why. I'm leaning towards it being killing roles with a penalty that can be controlled ^_^
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Actually after deliberation, I am changing it into deadline lynch setup. In initial setup LYLO occurred quite frequently, and I forgot using RNG to run test game doesn't put into account the ninja votes (Realized mafia has higher probability of forcing the mislynch in LYLO since they can work together). This hopefully will be my last intrusion into the game.
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On August 08 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 10:17 citi.zen wrote:On August 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:
Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.
We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting. I think everyone but the mafia has a penalty: all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.
Whatever that means. Probably I'm guessing that Mafia penalties aren't hurtful penalties, so what you were thinking
im confused as to what a safe penalty claim is even supposed to be. A safe penalty almost sounds like an oxymoron to me
but i guess we dont get alot of info, this is the first like uh not standard game ive played since starting here so i hope it shall be fun and this is me saying hi
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On August 08 2010 10:52 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On August 08 2010 10:17 citi.zen wrote:On August 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:
Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.
We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting. I think everyone but the mafia has a penalty: all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.
Whatever that means. Probably I'm guessing that Mafia penalties aren't hurtful penalties, so what you were thinking im confused as to what a safe penalty claim is even supposed to be. A safe penalty almost sounds like an oxymoron to me but i guess we dont get alot of info, this is the first like uh not standard game ive played since starting here so i hope it shall be fun and this is me saying hi
Maybe a safe penalty claim would be like "You are bulletproof, but only if sometime in your post you say the word 'penalty' " Something that can't really be checked
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On August 08 2010 10:43 LSB wrote:
Question: Ninja Votes?
See end of TL Mafix XXVIII
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On August 08 2010 11:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:See end of TL Mafix XXVIII
Oh yeah that. Thanks!
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i was expecting more spam than that from bm
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Maybe his limitation is that all he can do is vote.
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LOL, that would be awesome.
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Hey, Bill Murray. Does your penalty limit your speaking? If yes, change your vote to Scamp.
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I highly doubt it. He's just being his typical scrub self.
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I think we are pretty much in a pickle ATM Ace, so Im all ears to a plan. I doubt you would have some convoluted anti town plan when you dont know any other roles that could screw it up. If it involves killing someone, I think im a good target I guess? Im not a vig, but im a viable person to kill thats for sure...
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don't worry bum, if anyone needs to die I think it's quite obvious who it is.
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rofl did hesymrr do this unpurpose?
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oh god this is the best penalty ever rofl
you're such a saint hesmyrr
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Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace.
Just ignore this if it isn't true.
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Or Maybe his role is just to suck in this game as he does in every game he's played.
You know you're terrible if on Day 1 in every game you play you are close to getting lynched.
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i think it would be far too broken if he had even one of the mafia members given to him
maybe he has a partial list of confirmed townies or something and he's voting for ace since he's not on that list?
or maybe he's just being a dick since he cant talk
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unvote
vote scamp
unvote
vote ace
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On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh god help me I'm so confused qq :'(
It's all starting to make sense now.
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On August 08 2010 16:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh god help me I'm so confused qq :'( It's all starting to make sense now.
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Hmm so I guess we have a list of Ace and BM with a mafia in it? Although Ace seems to be hinting that he will argue BM is a confused/insane DT sort of role.
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I'm gonna
##vote Ace
until he at least finishes his thoughts on his plan
his feather soft vigi claim rubs me singularly
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it's so hard to speculate things because bm is always weird and there's like an infinite possibility for things you can or cannot do based on what could be given out isnt there
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Where did I soft Vigi claim. Explain.
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On August 08 2010 16:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hmm so I guess we have a list of Ace and BM with a mafia in it? Although Ace seems to be hinting that he will argue BM is a confused/insane DT sort of role.
never said that either. Why are you making things up?
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On August 08 2010 16:17 Ace wrote:
Where did I soft Vigi claim. Explain.
You say you know we have a vigi. There are no PMs allowed. No one else mentioned this before. I don't think a vigi would be necessary for balance considerations in a 10v3 1 KP game. Ipso facto...
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Me speculating and being almost sure that we have a Vigilante based on the fact that our town roles have penalties doesn't warrant a soft claim.
You should know better than that.
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On August 08 2010 16:18 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 16:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hmm so I guess we have a list of Ace and BM with a mafia in it? Although Ace seems to be hinting that he will argue BM is a confused/insane DT sort of role. never said that either. Why are you making things up?
I said seems to, meaning that was how I interpreted it. What did you mean then? You quoted BM's unedited post but completely changed the words to something about him being confused. BM's claiming that he has been given your name as mafia as part of his role PM. You are denying that you are mafia, but you don't seem to immediately jump on BM as mafia. So you must be thinking he is mistaken?
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On August 08 2010 16:22 Ace wrote:
Me speculating and being almost sure that we have a Vigilante based on the fact that our town roles have penalties doesn't warrant a soft claim.
You should know better than that.
"I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. "
That doesn't sound like "almost sure" it sounds like you "know for sure."
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But that's not really important- maybe you don't speak as cautiously as me.
Let's get down to the real business, Ace. What is your reaction to Bill Murray's claim that he has been given your name as mafia?
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On August 08 2010 16:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 16:18 Ace wrote:On August 08 2010 16:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hmm so I guess we have a list of Ace and BM with a mafia in it? Although Ace seems to be hinting that he will argue BM is a confused/insane DT sort of role. never said that either. Why are you making things up? I said seems to, meaning that was how I interpreted it. What did you mean then? You quoted BM's unedited post but completely changed the words to something about him being confused. BM's claiming that he has been given your name as mafia as part of his role PM. You are denying that you are mafia, but you don't seem to immediately jump on BM as mafia. So you must be thinking he is mistaken?
I was mocking Bill Murray. If I believe someone is Mafia I'll make it clear as day. I don't soft claim or jump around to conclusions so fast.
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On August 08 2010 16:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
But that's not really important- maybe you don't speak as cautiously as me.
Let's get down to the real business, Ace. What is your reaction to Bill Murray's claim that he has been given your name as mafia?
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Where did he claim that? He hasn't. Even if he did why would I care and why would you? I know I'm not scum, and if you've ever read a game with Bill Murray in it you know he throws out at least 6 scum accusations per day.
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On August 08 2010 16:48 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 16:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
But that's not really important- maybe you don't speak as cautiously as me.
Let's get down to the real business, Ace. What is your reaction to Bill Murray's claim that he has been given your name as mafia? ? Where did he claim that? He hasn't. Even if he did why would I care and why would you? I know I'm not scum, and if you've ever read a game with Bill Murray in it you know he throws out at least 6 scum accusations per day.
I'm just gonna spell this out real clear in case someone skims the thread.
I asked BM if he wasn't allowed to talk except for voting and to switch his vote to Scamp if yes.
BM changes his vote to scamp and changes his vote back to ace.
I asked BM if he was given a list of the mafia as part of his role, and if so, to change his vote to scamp and then someone else on the list (if he was given someone other than Ace) and then back to ace.
BM changes his vote to scamp and changes his vote back to ace.
Just to give BM a chance to pull back if he was messing around and to force Ace to confront this bull by the horns:
Bill Murray, if you are only suspicious of Ace you can change your vote to Divinek and then back to Ace to indicate this.
If Hesmyrr indicated to you in a PM that Ace is mafia, you can change your vote to LSB and back to Ace to indicate this.
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Are you dunce?
Where has Bill Murray said I'm scum. Don't just assume because you asked him to do that he followed it because he knows what he's doing. If you are so sure that Bill Murray in fact did what you said because he is sure I'm scum you wouldn't even be discussing this with me - you'd be trying to rally the town to vote me off because I'd be confirmed scum.
He's bullshitting around and for some reason you're trying awfully hard to make his penalty which is allegedly a post restriction a finger pointing to me being scum. You've already asked him once, no need to ask him to do it again involving Divinek. He did what you asked him to do once already, so either you believe him that I'm definitely scum and you stop talking to me and get the town to vote me off, or you think he is bullshitting in which case you've got no reason to even ask him to do it again.
What's going on over there, you sure aren't acting logical right now.
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On August 08 2010 17:30 Ace wrote:
Are you dunce?
Where has Bill Murray said I'm scum. Don't just assume because you asked him to do that he followed it because he knows what he's doing. If you are so sure that Bill Murray in fact did what you said because he is sure I'm scum you wouldn't even be discussing this with me - you'd be trying to rally the town to vote me off because I'd be confirmed scum.
He's bullshitting around and for some reason you're trying awfully hard to make his penalty which is allegedly a post restriction a finger pointing to me being scum. You've already asked him once, no need to ask him to do it again involving Divinek. He did what you asked him to do once already, so either you believe him that I'm definitely scum and you stop talking to me and get the town to vote me off, or you think he is bullshitting in which case you've got no reason to even ask him to do it again.
What's going on over there, you sure aren't acting logical right now.
I had to ask again because you were misinterpreting.
Now why don't you think Bill Murray is scum if he indeed is claiming that part of his role is that he knows you are scum?
" Don't just assume because you asked him to do that he followed it because he knows what he's doing. "
So Bill Murray is smart enough to read my instructions and follow them but too retarded to understand what they mean?
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Bottom line:
You are mafia for Bill Murray is mafia.
OR Bill Murray is town and fucking around in which case I'm sure by the end of the day he will show up and explain how it was part of some elaborate plot.
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No shit Bill Murrray is a retard.
But I'm wondering why you have so much stock invested in his decision if this is a well known fact. You've obviously seen him play before so why would you even think he'd seriously be doing something smart.
Like I said you should have believed him from the first time if you are trying to actually find scum. Imo it looks like you're just fishing for time. It's very simple, you either believe Bill Murray or you don't. If you do, then one of us is scum for sure and this discussion ends, because the first person the detective will investigate is you.
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Is he really this anti-town as town? Well if Bill Murray is a Mute Oracle or something like that, it's too important to make this me vs. ace so I'll just wait and see what the rest of town thinks. There are way too many people who haven't checked in yet.
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This looks like every mafia game I've ever played with either Ace or Bill Murray in it.
Bill Murray has already screwed up the game and day one isn't even close to over.
Ace is also playing like his usual self which will result in either the town killing him early or the mafia will have to stack all their kills on him. (Not really a factor in this game since the KP is 1 but the point is there.) But even he is talking a lot about Bill Murray and that's what's at the forefront of all conversation right now.
So again, BM finds a way to screw up the game. And Ace will probably die one way or the other and get really pissed off about it.
Anyway...
Based on the way he's acting, I'm willing to believe Pyrr is town for now.
And other than people who haven't posted yet, I currently have my eye on LSB and bumatlarge. LSB is acting super noobish, while bumatlarge has unhelpfully offered himself as a vigilante target for no good reason, though he claims his power sucks.
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##vote: lsb
unvote
##vote: ace
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Oh my god... BM if you are some sort of day rolechecker/DT or something else that lets you find out Ace's role, Vote me! and then go back to ace
If not, vote divine and bouncearoo.
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On August 08 2010 18:56 Scamp wrote:
And other than people who haven't posted yet, I currently have my eye on LSB and bumatlarge. LSB is acting super noobish, while bumatlarge has unhelpfully offered himself as a vigilante target for no good reason, though he claims his power sucks.
Scamp, if your wondering why I'm noobish, look over my post history to see how many game I've played.
As for BM. I'm wondering, if we lynch someone, would we see their role PM? Or just if someone dies would we see their role PM?
Secondly, why are we assuming BM is a silent oracle? He could be a silent assassin.
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Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e.
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lol i guess this is one way to keep bm quiet for once
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On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote:
Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e.
Pyrr asked that question
On August 08 2010 15:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace.
Just ignore this if it isn't true.
BM responded
On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote scamp
unvote
vote ace
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i'm going to wait till all the other ppl who haven't posted to post b4 i make any conclusions about this fiasco
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On August 09 2010 00:13 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote:
Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e. Pyrr asked that question Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 15:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace.
Just ignore this if it isn't true. BM responded
Thanks. If this wasn't the case I was going to suggest lynching Bm after he gives us the list to confirm it. Of course, that would have been a badly overpowered thing to put in the game... so never-mind.
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On August 09 2010 00:28 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 00:13 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote:
Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e. Pyrr asked that question On August 08 2010 15:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace.
Just ignore this if it isn't true. BM responded On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote scamp
unvote
vote ace Thanks. If this wasn't the case I was going to suggest lynching Bm after he gives us the list to confirm it. Of course, that would have been a badly overpowered thing to put in the game... so never-mind.
It's be pretty OP even if he got one name of the mafia since we're bound to ask him why he's just voting and then start making guesses to what his penalty is. The two likely ways he's acting the way he is if he's a day-time DT who can only vote and he checked ace or he's just dicking around.
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On August 09 2010 01:15 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 00:28 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 00:13 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote:
Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e. Pyrr asked that question On August 08 2010 15:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace.
Just ignore this if it isn't true. BM responded On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote scamp
unvote
vote ace Thanks. If this wasn't the case I was going to suggest lynching Bm after he gives us the list to confirm it. Of course, that would have been a badly overpowered thing to put in the game... so never-mind. It's be pretty OP even if he got one name of the mafia since we're bound to ask him why he's just voting and then start making guesses to what his penalty is. The two likely ways he's acting the way he is if he's a day-time DT who can only vote and he checked ace or he's just dicking around.
i think both are equally as likely, if not the second being more likely than the first option
it's really all whether you believe him or not, because that's what it is going to come down to. You can't really rely on someone like Ace slipping up, and he's a very persuasive player so he could easily talk himself out of something I'm sure.
But something like this doesnt entirely convince me of ace or bm's alignment. Since bm can act like a retard regardless of his role as we've seen and well uh i could see him doing this just as a way to get ace killed to piss him off.
ill wait for more actual talking to go on before being convinced of something so easily
though i guess bm can't do alot of that at the moment lol
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I'd still like to hear Ace's plan before we proceed.
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How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting.
If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody.
I'd like to hear Ace's plan though.
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On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote:
Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e.
I already asked this and he indicated he only knows Ace.
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Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.
I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum.
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On August 08 2010 23:04 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh my god... BM if you are some sort of day rolechecker/DT or something else that lets you find out Ace's role, Vote me! and then go back to ace
If not, vote divine and bouncearoo.
lol bouncearoo. I like that word. I hope it is some secret trigger word Hesmyrr attached to your role.
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On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.
I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum.
IF BM refuses to talk than it'll be hard to take him head on in the first place.
What Ace is doing is hardly distracting. I do hate it when people hold back plans for unseen thresholds. Lets hope it gets "reached" so we have something to work with.
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On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.
I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum.
I have seen Bill be town and fake-claim in the team mafia game (his partner was Chez), but that was a medic claim. This is very different - I seriously doubt he's lying if he is town. I know he does respect Ace and would not want to kill him out of spite.
So... either Bill is red or Ace is red to my mind.
I would like to lynch BM to find out which is which, but there is a risk his role allows him to find more reds each day, vs. this being a one time thing (some sort of day detective with a speaking restriction?). Ace also claimed to have a potentially important role, and promised a plan. While we wait I'll put a placeholder vote on him:
##vote Ace
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On August 09 2010 05:19 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.
I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum. IF BM refuses to talk than it'll be hard to take him head on in the first place. What Ace is doing is hardly distracting. I do hate it when people hold back plans for unseen thresholds. Lets hope it gets "reached" so we have something to work with.
Well I guess Ace's position is that BM is fooling around.
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Current voting list is updated at the post right below the OP.
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On August 09 2010 05:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 23:04 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh my god... BM if you are some sort of day rolechecker/DT or something else that lets you find out Ace's role, Vote me! and then go back to ace
If not, vote divine and bouncearoo. lol bouncearoo. I like that word. I hope it is some secret trigger word Hesmyrr attached to your role.
I wish, then I wouldnt have this penalty. I seriously hope there is no mafia role that forces someone to use their role, because that would we really hurt us. Oh also, if a town has that kinda role, DO NOT USE IT ON ME. In fact if you have a role that prevents someone from using theirs, use that on me...
Seriously im considering just saying it out loud.
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On August 09 2010 04:23 Jayme wrote:
How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting.
If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody.
I'd like to hear Ace's plan though.
Um, wow, I think its pretty clear his penalty is the problem here, not him. FoS on you for something that he cant help. Saw BC do this before, not cool man, not cool.
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yeah given what you've said so far you might as well tell us then lol
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On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote:
then say it out loud -_-
I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure.
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On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure.
sounds like quite the dangerous role to have if you're gonna bring up it's importance and then just not say why it's so bad?
im curious how the ace/bm thing interferes with us knowing your 'role' and how 5 more people would make that situation any different.
ill show you mine if you show me yours wink wink
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The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.
P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.
Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.
1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...
2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This tells us 2 things:
The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself.
Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell:
Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action.
If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced.
Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit.
## vote Pyrr
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On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure.
You already told the mafia to force you to do it so...
You should have just stayed low if you were worrieda bout the mafia forcing you to use your action. That said, I doubt there's a mafia role to force someone to use their action.
A role that limits someone's speaking seems pretty guaranteed, though. I think one of the examples Hesmyrr gave was a shy townie that had some posting restrictions. That would be a really lame/boring role to have so I could see Hesmyrr balancing that by giving some way for the silent person to know red roles - I could see Hesmyrr assuming that we wouldn't immediately jump to the hypothesis I had on BM's role.
It could be that BM is following an example claim given to the mafia by Hesmyrr, or he just thought he would fake being unable to speak to lay low as red, and BM just used my question to him as an excuse to try to kill Ace. If we were to kill Ace and he flips non-red, though, we'd go after BM and I don't think that's a good trade for mafia.
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Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain
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On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain
Right.
##vote BillMurray
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Because I wanted to let everyone talk before I started laying down the law.
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On August 04 2010 17:33 Bill Murray wrote:
even if this is for testing purposes, i'm going to get ace lynched
Can someone quote where it says theres no PM restriction penalty? I believe you Ace but if you could just show it to everyone else it'd be better. I do remember seeing that posted just can't find where it was
#Vote Bill Murray
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##vote Bill Murray
He better start talking, argh.
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I'll be lenient on ignoring capitalization or omission of vote when abstaining as long as it is clear in it's intent.
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On August 09 2010 07:23 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 17:33 Bill Murray wrote:
even if this is for testing purposes, i'm going to get ace lynched Can someone quote where it says theres no PM restriction penalty? I believe you Ace but if you could just show it to everyone else it'd be better. I do remember seeing that posted just can't find where it was #Vote Bill Murray
ctrl-f, it's in the very first post of the thread.
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@zeks: Right above where it says special rules in the OP.
Aside from Bill Murray talk about the mass penalty claim.
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Posting penalties will give clues to the reds about roles. I'm not sure how we can use them against the reds; I'm sure they can give plausible ones since the rules say so.
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How so? I just gave you my penalty up there and even gave extra information that I didn't have to. Do you know my role?
And if we aren't going to mass penalty claim then what do you think we should do?
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"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass.
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Maybe it could help town. Maybe not. But I think there is no chance it doesn't help the mafia some. And I think it would only be a small chance that it helps town more than it helps mafia.
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On August 09 2010 07:25 Ace wrote:
@zeks: Right above where it says special rules in the OP.
Aside from Bill Murray talk about the mass penalty claim.
hmm you would think he wouldnt be retarded enough to do something so poor so obviously, at least if he was red since this play puts him right in the spot light, but i dont put it past him. I dont wanna hop on the wagon just yet because he's done dumb shit as town but after hearing him speak i can be more than happy killing him if he's screwing with and confusing the town even if he is green
the mass penalty claim, hm i dont see how it could be bad for town? Unless perhaps there are penalties that relate to death like mine, which could have negative side effects if the mafia kill that person or something?
it seems like it is far more beneficial for us to be aware of each other's restrictions so we dont paint them in a poor light for something they're unable to do, or perhaps behaving in a strange way because they have to.
Could we reason out the scum from having the penalties? I dont know... maybe the scum might make up one that doesnt make any sense and we could try to catch them that way?
it's hard because you have to think like how the host would think more so than just a general idea, though im sure there are some impossibilities we could eliminate based on claims in instances where something would break the game i guess.
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## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute
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On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute
wait so are you saying bm is red with pyrr...?
or he's just a mindless townie following something someone said because he likes to fuck around?
i'm confused to your line of reasoning here because it doesnt really make sense.
Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has.
i just want more explanations sir
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On August 09 2010 07:43 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute wait so are you saying bm is red with pyrr...? or he's just a mindless townie following something someone said because he likes to fuck around? i'm confused to your line of reasoning here because it doesnt really make sense. Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has. i just want more explanations sir
Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has.
this, I think it's really weird that right after he voted ace, pyrr just so happened to be like, hey, is it cause you can't talk cause you have information on who's mafia via a list or something and then BM was like vote/unvote. THEN pyrr was like hey, if ace is on the list, vote/unvote and BM did. Seems kinda iffy to me don't you think? But then they got caught with the whole "no post restrictions" thing and have to backtrack now.
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I would never think that he had a list or something, just that he couldn't talk for whatever reason, i dunno, it just seemed like an odd jump of logic from
BM: vote Ace
to
Pyrr: do you have a list of mafia/Ace is on that list
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On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass.
If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward.
So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears.
@divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^
We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear.
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Chaoser I said the same thing earlier. Especially knowing that BM is an idiot, why would you make up a penalty for him KNOWING that would fuck around to try and kill me. Pyrr should know better than that.
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On August 09 2010 07:53 Ace wrote:
Chaoser I said the same thing earlier. Especially knowing that BM is an idiot, why would you make up a penalty for him KNOWING that would fuck around to try and kill me. Pyrr should know better than that.
that's unless he's trying to get an early wagon started on you lol
wouldnt that be an ideal first day lynch for the mafia, towns most experienced/recognized name...
i dont like it at all
hm
##vote pyrr
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also where the fuck has pandain been it's not like him to be inactive
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He's on vacation I think, he'll be on as soon as he find internet service (he said this in other mafia game)
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On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain
Talk
##vote BillMurray
Other Issues
-If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful
Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia:
Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents.
However, looks like he made a small mistake :D
As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this
Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia
Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia
Therefore Pyrr is mafia.
However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM
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On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:
As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this
Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia
Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia
Therefore Pyrr is mafia.
However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM
Makes sense to me.
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Don't mind me, I'm just lurking.
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On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:
Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia:
Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents.
However, looks like he made a small mistake :D
Oops I can't read either, there isn't any double lynch. In instead of 2 days, Bill's death buys 3 days. As day 3 we lynch his 'right hand man'.
Assuming no vigis act, that would leave the town with
4 townies vrs. 2 mafia at the start of day 4.
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Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray
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On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray
so i saw you posted something and then voted, but can you justify your vote plz or say why you're doing it etc
do you have your own line of reasoning or are you just wagoning cause you hate bm, cause i can totally understand that man
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On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray
Don't use it!!!!!
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On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray
I don't understand, what would mafia count becoming 4 mean? they have more KP? You become mafia? where's the 4th mafia?
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On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain Talk ##vote BillMurrayOther Issues -If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia Therefore Pyrr is mafia. However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM
why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more.
infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose
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On August 09 2010 09:08 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray I don't understand, what would mafia count becoming 4 mean? they have more KP? You become mafia? where's the 4th mafia?
The count would matter for Lynch or Lose situations. The mafia automatically wins if they outnumber the town.
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LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.
I'm totally down with the Bill Murray bandwagon right now as other than the inactive (who may have a legitimate excuse) he looks like the best play. The only thing that I'm concerned about it is that there seems to be no consideration as to what to do if BM flips green or blue. It doesn't clear Pyrr and puts more pressure on Ace, who at this point is looking like our strongest player.
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On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.
I'm totally down with the Bill Murray bandwagon right now as other than the inactive (who may have a legitimate excuse) he looks like the best play. The only thing that I'm concerned about it is that there seems to be no consideration as to what to do if BM flips green or blue. It doesn't clear Pyrr and puts more pressure on Ace, who at this point is looking like our strongest player.
It doesn't really put more pressure on Ace because it just means BM was fucking around. Or that Hesmyrr forgot some of his rules or we are misinterpreting them (doubt it). It doesn't clear me but I think it undermines the reasons people are currently voting for me, which based on me working in concert with BM.
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On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray
I figured you had some kind of tree stump role. Thats a really fucked up penalty tho. Jesus there has to be an overpowered town role somewhere. Either way don't stump and just stay normal townie ^_^
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On August 09 2010 09:09 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain Talk ##vote BillMurrayOther Issues -If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia Therefore Pyrr is mafia. However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more. infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose
Pyrr's action earlier in the day (his arguments + vote on me) suggests that he figures BM had a penalty of a post restriction.
Bill Murray kept voting for me based on this assumption Pyrr had. We know for a fact that based on the OP this role restriction doesn't exist.
This means that Bill Murray is lying, or isn't even trying to clarify his position. If he's lynched we know he's scum or just someone playing like a shitty townie. Regardless of if Pyrr is scum I think LSB is saying for now try and resolve what's going in with Bill Murray.
From that IF Bill Murray were to flip scum, then there would be strong evidence that Pyrr tried to force a false penalty through which would have gotten me killed. Bill Murray having this "false" post restriction would be in the clear anyway since he can't even explain himself anyway and Pyrr could have just worded his assumption wrong.
## vote Bill Murray
I'm still highly suspicious of Pyrr because I put more stock in his intelligence than to take Bill Murray's posting seriously.
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I really think we should start with the penalty claims. Bill Murray since you are probably going to be lynched what is your penalty?
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On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.
Maybe I should ask my questions in PM form to the mod then :S
On August 09 2010 09:09 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain Talk ##vote BillMurrayOther Issues -If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia Therefore Pyrr is mafia. However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more. infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent Go brush up on your Propositional Calculus.
And Ace's post seems like complete BS.
BM does a vote post. We all go wtf?
Pyrr was the first one to think that BM might have some post restriction thingy, and so he tests it out. That's being smart. Not manipulative.
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Uhh... NVM ace, I was talking about your earlier post, I keep on getting ninjaed
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which post? Clarify so we can hash this out.
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i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful
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On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it.
Really?
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I am against penalty posting.
There are blue roles out there. Maybe a medic that can only work every other day or something. The moment the medic reveals, the medic has until daybreak till she* dies.
*Just played BW, medics are shes.
So blue roles wouldn't penalty post. But the people with anti-town/quirky stuff will penalty post. Mafia can narrow down their hit list.
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On August 09 2010 09:40 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. Really?
Yes really. Remember Bill Murray voted for me without any explanation, and then Pyrr came up with the idea that Bill Murray's penalty might be he can get results of scum without talking about it.
Then he asked Bill Murray twice to prove it through vote switches and then switching back on to me. Bill Murray did it and hence we had Bill Murray's penalty.
Did I misread some posts or get the order of events wrong?
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Everyone should penalty post. Blue/Green it doesn't matter because all of us have roles. Penalties are NOT tied to roles. If you think Mafia is going to just start sniping everyone based off of penalties then I'll ask you the same thing I asked Pyrr - what do you want the town to do instead?
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In fact if you are so sure this is possible then look here where I've given extra information that I didn't even have to and I penalty claimed:
1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in: Show nested quote +
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This tells us 2 things: The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself. Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell: Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action.
Based on this post can you tell me what my role is?
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On August 09 2010 09:44 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:40 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. Really? Yes really. Remember Bill Murray voted for me without any explanation, and then Pyrr came up with the idea that Bill Murray's penalty might be he can get results of scum without talking about it. Then he asked Bill Murray twice to prove it through vote switches and then switching back on to me. Bill Murray did it and hence we had Bill Murray's penalty. Did I misread some posts or get the order of events wrong?
You're misplacing cause and effect.
Bill Murry votes for you. This causes Pyrr to joke, and then suspect a voting penalty.
Put yourself in Pyrr's shoes.
On August 08 2010 12:07 Bill Murray wrote:
##Vote Ace
I immediately think placeholder. Divinek thinks the same thing that I do
On August 08 2010 12:18 Divinek wrote:
i was expecting more spam than that from bm
Pyrr, who is playing penalty mafia, gets an idea it's a penalty. Perfectly reasonable. Because really, why would BM do that?
I haven't played with BM much, but from what I've read, BM doesn't seem like pop in, vote, afk. Kind of person
Pyrr tries to confirm, and BM obliges him. This does not show that Pyrr is mafia. It shows that Pyrr is playing logically
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On August 09 2010 09:45 Ace wrote:
what do you want the town to do instead?
Well I'm not certain that it's a bad idea at this point. But if it is, we can always analyze behavior and have blues act silently and, you know, play the game.
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Then you must also believe that Pyrr doesn't know Bill Murray plays illogically. I don't believe this is the case.
Bill Murray is known to be terrible. He plays town in an extremely anti-town matter. I believe that Pyrr indeed does know this which is why I found it suspicious he would think that BM really does have a penalty.
If you know the kind of player BM is then this is why I find Pyrr trying to rationalize BM's actions as highly scummy. If say, someone like Divinek popped in and voted for me, then Pyrr tried to figure out if this was his penalty I'd take it as a townie trying to figure something out. Regardless since I know I'm not scum, I already know that even if the OP didn't ban post restrictions Bill Murray was lying.
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On August 09 2010 09:45 Ace wrote:
Everyone should penalty post. Blue/Green it doesn't matter because all of us have roles. Penalties are NOT tied to roles. If you think Mafia is going to just start sniping everyone based off of penalties then I'll ask you the same thing I asked Pyrr - what do you want the town to do instead?
Looks like your making the same mistake that BM did
On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
I want the town to lynch BM, and work from there.
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On August 09 2010 09:55 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Well I'm not certain that it's a bad idea at this point. But if it is, we can always analyze behavior and have blues act silently and, you know, play the game.
What do you think I've been doing all this time? I don't just throw things out and ignore behavior. If you haven't noticed I put things together precisely because of behavior. This plan isn't the end all scum catcher - it's here to point us in the right direction.
Silent blues are terrible. Please don't spread that bad idea.
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On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear.
Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles?
From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds.
So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion.
I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something?
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On August 09 2010 09:58 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:45 Ace wrote:
Everyone should penalty post. Blue/Green it doesn't matter because all of us have roles. Penalties are NOT tied to roles. If you think Mafia is going to just start sniping everyone based off of penalties then I'll ask you the same thing I asked Pyrr - what do you want the town to do instead? Looks like your making the same mistake that BM did Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
I want the town to lynch BM, and work from there.
Where's the mistake? Hessmyrr's post doesn't say that penalties are tied to roles. I also know that from my role PM my penalty is NOT tied to my role. Likewise if you looked at bumatlarge's penalty claim his tree stump ability is also NOT tied to his penalty of upping scum population.You're making bad assumptions.
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On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful
fantastic, now the mafia can vote for you and say "well I wanted to lower the odds that the mafia get ahold of an extra vote.
I'm already not liking this penalty claim thing. Certain people have penalties that suggest we should kill them, certain people have penalties that suggest we don't kill them, we can't get closer to mafia, I think, because all we have is wifom "oh mafia wouldn't claim that because it makes lynching them look good", "mafia wouldn't claim that role because its too suspicious its look like they are just trying to seem to valuable to be lynched," etc. I don't get where we go with this other than being distracted from behavior analysis. Granted, we get a lot of material to look at but I think already the mafia can pick a few guaranteed greens to avoid while we don't get much help since anyone might be mafia from our point of view, whether they are claiming something that looks green or blue.
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On August 09 2010 10:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:58 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 09:45 Ace wrote:
Everyone should penalty post. Blue/Green it doesn't matter because all of us have roles. Penalties are NOT tied to roles. If you think Mafia is going to just start sniping everyone based off of penalties then I'll ask you the same thing I asked Pyrr - what do you want the town to do instead? Looks like your making the same mistake that BM did On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
I want the town to lynch BM, and work from there. Where's the mistake? Hessmyrr's post doesn't say that penalties are tied to roles. I also know that from my role PM my penalty is NOT tied to my role. Likewise if you looked at bumatlarge's penalty claim his tree stump ability is also NOT tied to his penalty of upping scum population.You're making bad assumptions.
His tree stump ability, if used, ups the scum population. How could those two be any more linked, when there is a direct causal link between them?
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On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something?
no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^
Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role.
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On August 09 2010 10:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:01 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:58 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 09:45 Ace wrote:
Everyone should penalty post. Blue/Green it doesn't matter because all of us have roles. Penalties are NOT tied to roles. If you think Mafia is going to just start sniping everyone based off of penalties then I'll ask you the same thing I asked Pyrr - what do you want the town to do instead? Looks like your making the same mistake that BM did On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
I want the town to lynch BM, and work from there. Where's the mistake? Hessmyrr's post doesn't say that penalties are tied to roles. I also know that from my role PM my penalty is NOT tied to my role. Likewise if you looked at bumatlarge's penalty claim his tree stump ability is also NOT tied to his penalty of upping scum population.You're making bad assumptions. His tree stump ability, if used, ups the scum population. How could those two be any more linked, when there is a direct causal link between them?
I think you're misunderstanding. The TREE STUMP role has nothing to do with upping scum population. If bumatlarge said "my penalty ups scum population" no one in the history of mafia would know he was a tree stump. It has nothing to do with his role. Get it now?
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On August 09 2010 09:33 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that. Maybe I should ask my questions in PM form to the mod then :S Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:09 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain Talk ##vote BillMurrayOther Issues -If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia Therefore Pyrr is mafia. However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more. infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent Go brush up on your Propositional Calculus. And Ace's post seems like complete BS. BM does a vote post. We all go wtf? Pyrr was the first one to think that BM might have some post restriction thingy, and so he tests it out. That's being smart. Not manipulative.
you dont need to tell me to brush up on anything believe me!
i know what the basic idea you're getting into was but you dont really understand the fundamental underlying principals and i was going to explain them to you (to demonstrate instances where your reasoning could be faulty since you didnt explain your assumptions), but i realized after reading it over you and most other people probably wouldnt be able to make sense of it
and it wouldnt matter anyways, because now that ace has actually explained the assumptions i agree with what he is saying
that and we practically get to policy lynch someone like bm for lying, if it cant happen in XXX at least it happens here to the badie
##unvote
##vote bill murray
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On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role.
That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed.
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replace "ability" with "has to act" if you must... same thing.
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##unvote
##vote Ace
Nice job for outing like four blues already.
Fuck you BM for screwing around. Don't sign up for anything again if you are gonna play like this (assuming you're not red).
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On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful
oh dear :/. A random person or random [/b]townie?[/b]. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie.
Penalties:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
@bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works?
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On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed.
Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now.
also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap.
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On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? [/b][/b]
"Acting" and "action" are the key words here. Also, your penalty
Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action.
... makes no sense for a vanilla townie. I don't buy that you would out yourself as a blue on day 1 of any game.
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On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap.
Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies?
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On August 09 2010 10:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
##unvote
##vote Ace
Nice job for outing like four blues already.
Fuck you BM for screwing around. Don't sign up for anything again if you are gonna play like this (assuming you're not red).
rofl i just vote for bm based on something logical and then you say that
and it brings me to this whole big circle again
is bm actually saying something useful against ace? maybe
is pyrr mafia and trying to use his luck to push us to lynch ace when he knows bms info must be incomplete and incorrect?
is pyrr actually right because what he just said made alot of sense
fuck this game man im asking more questions than im able to answer and i dont like that at all
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On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? [/b][/b]
um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty
because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed
and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated
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On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies?
Not at all. Reading the OP:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
If you are town you have a penalty. Doesn't matter if you are blue or green. Scum have fake penalties.
# vote Pyrr
Bill Murray may be an idiot, but I'm pretty certain you're scum.
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On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies?
I think there ARE vanilla townies but even they have "actions" aka VOTING. Notice the two examples, shy and scared. They can say, I can only do my action on someone who isn't majority voted or something like that
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On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated [/b][/b]
eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either.
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On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies?
Well assume the stump guy is not red - he's basically a green townie because his power is so shitty you'd never use it. I think that's how the townies are in this game. Now maybe Ace is the same way since he said his power is too odd to use... so maybe Ace is green and not red. Blah. Or maybe the mafia are trying to hide by claiming powers that they will never and can never be asked to use in order to prove anything.
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On August 04 2010 17:33 Bill Murray wrote:
even if this is for testing purposes, i'm going to get ace lynched
i just found a hilariously interesting post on page 3 before the game even started
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On August 09 2010 10:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies? Not at all. Reading the OP: Show nested quote +This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. If you are town you have a penalty. Doesn't matter if you are blue or green. Scum have fake penalties. # vote Pyrr Bill Murray may be an idiot, but I'm pretty certain you're scum.
STOP PICKING AND READING
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
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On August 09 2010 10:17 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either. [/b][/b]
I can't violate my penalty...
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On August 09 2010 10:17 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either. [/b][/b]
what are you saying it's impossible to not telegraph a move before doing it
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Tree stump is potentially one of the most broken roles in Mafia. There's a reason that his penalty is so ridiculous. In this setup though Tree Stump isn't really that great (based on what we know so far).
I'm still of the idea one of the town players has an insanely broken killing role. Also Pyrr is scum, leave Bill Murray for a DT to investigate.
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On August 09 2010 10:20 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:17 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either. what are you saying it's impossible to not telegraph a move before doing it [/b][/b]
Exactly. Just make sure you read carefully.
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Meh LSB is right let's start with BM and go from there.
unvote
##vote Bill Murray
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On August 09 2010 10:20 Ace wrote:
Tree stump is potentially one of the most broken roles in Mafia. There's a reason that his penalty is so ridiculous. In this setup though Tree Stump isn't really that great (based on what we know so far).
I'm still of the idea one of the town players has an insanely broken killing role. Also Pyrr is scum, leave Bill Murray for a DT to investigate.
What would an insanely broken killing role be like?
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On August 09 2010 10:20 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:16 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies? Not at all. Reading the OP: This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. If you are town you have a penalty. Doesn't matter if you are blue or green. Scum have fake penalties. # vote Pyrr Bill Murray may be an idiot, but I'm pretty certain you're scum. STOP PICKING AND READING Show nested quote +This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
Does bumatlarge's penalty DIMINISH his tree stump ability? It doesn't. It's simply ANTI-TOWN. Highlight the entire quote and READ.
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On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? [/b][/b]
No, town victory is still my win condition, and for all intents and purposes I have to want town to win. They basically get another mafia who cant die until they do.
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Don't worry Pyrr, stop asking questions to spam up the topic. You're scum and you'll die to a Vigilante bullet soon.
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On August 09 2010 10:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:20 Ace wrote:
Tree stump is potentially one of the most broken roles in Mafia. There's a reason that his penalty is so ridiculous. In this setup though Tree Stump isn't really that great (based on what we know so far).
I'm still of the idea one of the town players has an insanely broken killing role. Also Pyrr is scum, leave Bill Murray for a DT to investigate. What would an insanely broken killing role be like?
Tree Stump is usually a voting role, not a killing role, usable once per game.
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On August 09 2010 10:23 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? No, town victory is still my win condition, and for all intents and purposes I have to want town to win. They basically get another mafia who cant die until they do.
hmmm ok I think I get it.
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On August 09 2010 10:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:20 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:17 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either. what are you saying it's impossible to not telegraph a move before doing it Exactly. Just make sure you read carefully. [/b][/b]
ah you're right, my penalty is one use as well i simply misinterpreted the wording of the OP as well as my own pm lol
however i feel that revealing it would be very not good for town, it is a very anti town thing that has a specific condition
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On August 09 2010 10:23 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:20 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:16 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies? Not at all. Reading the OP: This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. If you are town you have a penalty. Doesn't matter if you are blue or green. Scum have fake penalties. # vote Pyrr Bill Murray may be an idiot, but I'm pretty certain you're scum. STOP PICKING AND READING This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. Does bumatlarge's penalty DIMINISH his tree stump ability? It doesn't. It's simply ANTI-TOWN. Highlight the entire quote and READ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converse_accident
This is the mistake you are making. You can't take a few penalties and generalize them to all 13
Let's say there is a medic, her penalty is that she only works on even numbered days. Under rules this is possible.
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And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.
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Ace: any random person who voted for me the night of my lynch
ie. You, LSB, Pyrr, Divenek voted for me tonight, and I get lynched
One of you 4 will get permanent +1 vote for the rest of the game
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Ok thx zeks, I was hoping that wasn't the case. Possible that if scum is on the wagon assuming you are town they'd get an extra vote. With all these ridiculous penalties to the town it just confirms my suspicion there has to be a super town killing role, or an information role that can identify multiple scum or multiple townies in the game.
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On August 09 2010 10:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies? Not at all. Reading the OP: Show nested quote +This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. If you are town you have a penalty. Doesn't matter if you are blue or green. Scum have fake penalties. # vote Pyrr Bill Murray may be an idiot, but I'm pretty certain you're scum.
why is it that you are certain? it seems as soon as a game comes up with all these new rules i cant seem to understand what is going on (i mean i do have reasons formulating in my head like perhaps demonstrating a bit too much knowledge of certain things, or an attempt to split us up and re direct us from any plan trying to help us like with your penalty plan)
i agree that i get a bad feeling based on what's happened, and i dont like flopping my vote around too much, but i would rather have my vote on scum than on an idiot.
and i just like to see where other people are coming from in order to solidly incorporate things they see that i might have missed
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That's like the 3rd time so far in only 1 day Pyrr has tried to undermine me. I mean I've explained my plan so many times, bumatlarge role/penalty claims and Pyrr jumps up and says lol Ace just fished out 4 blues!
There are only so many times you can ignore lies
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Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
I am stuck in "regular" mafia land, but to me this translates into:
Ace: weak blue
bumatlarge: strong blue
zeks: vanilla townie
Do we want this info out there?
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On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.
What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.
It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.
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On August 09 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power I am stuck in "regular" mafia land, but to me this translates into: Ace: weak blue bumatlarge: strong blue zeks: vanilla townie Do we want this info out there?
Na, bumatlarge is just the tree stump. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tree_Stump
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On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.
wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.
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Ace, basically people are staying, if you have an "action", the person is a blue, if you're like I can only vote for non-majority then the person is townie. By making everyone out their penalties, it's easy to see which is blue and which is not. Mafia don't need to know if they are medic/DT/etc., just that they are blue
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example: if I was like, I can only do my action on people who didn't get voted on, then people might make the judgement that I am blue. But If I was like, I can't vote for someone unless three people already voted for that person, then I'd be more likely to be townie
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On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power I am stuck in "regular" mafia land, but to me this translates into: Ace: weak blue bumatlarge: strong blue zeks: vanilla townie Do we want this info out there? Na, bumatlarge is just the tree stump. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tree_Stump
The tree stump is not bad in other set-ups! Not sure how to use them here yet, but guessing the severe penalty means there is a way.
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On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.
Did you read what LSB said? I think you did. Why would we be okay with giving away our vigilante? Vigi or medic, either way mafia knows it is someone to hit because they have a night action.
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On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.
What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.
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LSB, use blue instead of medic, I think that works better
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What that tells the mafia is that the blue has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the blue is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the blue before night 2.
Whoops, left out a word in the previous copy paste
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ACTION can my anything, NOT Blue. Stop thinking like that. I've outlined it like 50 times. If you only know the penalty has the word action in it that does not imply a typical blue role. Look at the penalties we've got so far and tell me who's blue!
If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump NONE of you would have known.
You don't know my role.
You don't know zek's role.
All townies have penalties regardless of "blue" or "green". Action does not imply blue. This is a simple case of reading and you're mucking this up. If you think I'm scum then put your vote on me right now and keep it there so you can get the axe tomorrow. Do it.
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On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.
and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this.
And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow.
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On August 09 2010 10:44 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. Did you read what LSB said? I think you did. Why would we be okay with giving away our vigilante? Vigi or medic, either way mafia knows it is someone to hit because they have a night action.
Bullshit post to scare townies from penalty claiming.
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People are not saying mafia will know the specific role of each player, just that they will know if the player is blue or not -_-
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On August 09 2010 10:48 Ace wrote:
ACTION can my anything, NOT Blue. Stop thinking like that. I've outlined it like 50 times. If you only know the penalty has the word action in it that does not imply a typical blue role. Look at the penalties we've got so far and tell me who's blue!
I'm not going to help you think scum
Scum, your lucky that I'm set on killing BM today
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On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow.
Not all penalties imply roles.
##vote Ace
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Bill Murray, get the fuck in here and say something.
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On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow.
you didnt answer my question
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On August 09 2010 10:50 chaoser wrote:
People are not saying mafia will know the specific role of each player, just that they will know if the player is blue or not -_-
please respond to this -_-
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On August 09 2010 10:54 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. you didnt answer my question
I'm scummy because I'm trying (and failing miserably) to keep the mafia from picking out blues.
Ace is clearly innocent because his plan is getting us no closer to identifying any scum and never will.
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On August 09 2010 10:55 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:50 chaoser wrote:
People are not saying mafia will know the specific role of each player, just that they will know if the player is blue or not -_- please respond to this -_-
There's no response Ace can make because it is true.
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@Divinek: whats your question again?
@chaoser: You can't know who's blue. Everyone has a role. Everyone has a penalty. I've already said that if anyone is so sure that knowing penalties will reveal who is blue then tell me what roles myself and zeks have if it's that simple.
Lol @ LSB and Pyrr. Put your votes where your mouth is so I can destroy you.
The problem with being smarter than everyone else is that it takes my death to make people realize why I am so feared in this game. Let's get it!
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@chaoser: You can't know who's blue. Everyone has a role. Everyone has a penalty. I've already said that if anyone is so sure that knowing penalties will reveal who is blue then tell me what roles myself and zeks have if it's that simple.
On August 09 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power I am stuck in "regular" mafia land, but to me this translates into: Ace: weak blue bumatlarge: strong blue zeks: vanilla townie Do we want this info out there?
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On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace
Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties
Hi scum :D
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@chaoser: If I'm blue then what's my role. How does a voting wagon imply that zeks must be townie?
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ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr
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mmm i dont like this way people's reasoning is going
that if your penalty is such and such like 'you can only use your ability every other night' then all penalties should accurately describe the nature of the person
sure that SPECIFIC example does make the person look awfully blue
but i can assure not all penalties do, as mine makes me look just the opposite of what i am, if you're following that line of reasoning
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On August 09 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote:
ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr
oh ok. Do you want like, an entire breakdown of Day 1 with all my logical queries and conclusions, with big picture breakdown + small quips or do you want the simple one paragraph stuff where I say he's scum and just quote some of his nonsense?
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On August 09 2010 11:02 Ace wrote:
@chaoser: If I'm blue then what's my role. How does a voting wagon imply that zeks must be townie?
It doesn't matter what role you are, just that you're blue so mafia would target you. zek's penalty in itself doesn't imply that he is townie, but people with penalties that are linked to "actions" (do action and something happens, must do something and then you can act) are a lot more likely to blue no?
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On August 09 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote:
ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr
oh ok. Do you want like, an entire breakdown of Day 1 with all my logical queries and conclusions, with big picture breakdown + small quips or do you want the simple one paragraph stuff where I say he's scum and just quote some of his nonsense?
lol well
more stuff can be more to digest, so i prefer simpler as im a fan of occams razor
i really just want your reasonings, all of them, for believing he is scum as you obviously demonstrate a better grasp as to wtf is going on in this game with rules/roles/other stuffs that are confusing me and i dont like a confused town/townie
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Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die.
Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting.
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bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
I'm pretty sure when bum says action, he doesn't mean talking or voting...that'd be too simple an action to make the penalty that bad
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On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties Hi scum :D
Some of them imply blue. That's all mafia needs. Sure some blues might have penalties that don't hint that they are blue. How many people out there are green and have penalties that hint blue? So far only Divinek, who may be mafia. In any case hadn't heard otherwise and I'm sure the mafia like their odds based on how this conversation has played out (ie right into mafia hands) which is why I should have realized not to have the conversation in the first place but congrats for catching me playing like crap.
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On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances: Show nested quote +
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie. Show nested quote +
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting.
Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted.
At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now.
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On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now.
what did he do that was against the rules?
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there could be a possibility that greens have a stronger penalty than blues
i think in this setup with 13 ppl there should only be 2-3 blues
im guessing 1 dt 1 vig 1 medic and maybe they have special penalties that restrict them
but comparably i think everyone plays a role
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On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules?
If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
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On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
I'm starting to think that if there was a meticulously enforced play to win rule, Bill Murray would have been on a permanent ban list long ago.
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On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
well to be fair it was a random vote that only meant something because someone made something out of it. People do place holders or random votes all the time in periods such as the RVS and such. But it is possible that he knows something we dont isnt it, with all the weird roles out there. Like maybe his final votes have to always be on the person with a first letter closest to the start of the alphabet..the possibilities are infinite and he really should try to explain himself.
But BM always does things at the risk of screwing the town over this is not new.
Perhaps we should always kill him day 1 or get him vigi popped otherwise if he doesnt stop acting so retarded. It really is annoying
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On August 09 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule. I'm starting to think that if there was a meticulously enforced play to win rule, Bill Murray would have been on a permanent ban list long ago.
he is banned in all of ace's games.
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On August 09 2010 12:00 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule. I'm starting to think that if there was a meticulously enforced play to win rule, Bill Murray would have been on a permanent ban list long ago. he is banned in all of ace's games.
I think I might copy ace's playbook here depending on how these games turn out .
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well, BM just posted in other thread, I assume we'll get a response from him soon
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I personally think that most penalties don't tell a blue. The op states examples and nothing more. The penalty itself may just give a vanilla townie an action they normally would not have.
I'm still waiting on BM before placing a vote...his reaction will be important. As much as I hate day 1 bandwagons this one ma be necessary
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i'm going to be honest, i was really just hoping to lynch ace, lol
unvote
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I believe you Bill!
unvote
Vote Pyrrhoxlia
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I am in like five games, so I figured a joke like that wouldn't hurt while I caught up on the 2 games I just replaced into. I'm going to analyze the first 15 pages of this now.
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The only problem I have with Ace is he's constantly talking about how revealing penalties does not reveal roles, but when bumatlarge revealed his role he said this...
On August 09 2010 09:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray I figured you had some kind of tree stump role. Thats a really fucked up penalty tho. Jesus there has to be an overpowered town role somewhere. Either way don't stump and just stay normal townie ^_^
So while I personally don't think I am very good at figuring out roles from penalties, I'm thinking there are some people out there who are.
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I've been a treestump. I hated using it, but when you're near a lynch, it is a good ability. Wouldn't you rather be able to continue talking than have to sit on the sidelines watching? you can still do behavioral analysis and catch scum as a treestump.
On August 08 2010 16:22 Ace wrote:
Me speculating and being almost sure that we have a Vigilante based on the fact that our town roles have penalties doesn't warrant a soft claim.
You should know better than that.
I'm going to have to agree with Ace here, although I'm assuming he is a town aligned power role at this point. If he doesn't help out we can hold him accountable. I took his arguing with Pyrrhuloxia as Pyrry trying to get a scum driven wagon going on day 1. I wanted to see who would be apt to get rid of our best player (if ace is town, he is our best asset, regardless of his role)
On August 08 2010 18:56 Scamp wrote:
This looks like every mafia game I've ever played with either Ace or Bill Murray in it.
Bill Murray has already screwed up the game and day one isn't even close to over.
Ace is also playing like his usual self which will result in either the town killing him early or the mafia will have to stack all their kills on him. (Not really a factor in this game since the KP is 1 but the point is there.) But even he is talking a lot about Bill Murray and that's what's at the forefront of all conversation right now.
So again, BM finds a way to screw up the game. And Ace will probably die one way or the other and get really pissed off about it.
Anyway...
Based on the way he's acting, I'm willing to believe Pyrr is town for now.
And other than people who haven't posted yet, I currently have my eye on LSB and bumatlarge. LSB is acting super noobish, while bumatlarge has unhelpfully offered himself as a vigilante target for no good reason, though he claims his power sucks.
I completely disagree with you. I have not taken Pyrrhuloxia as town whatsoever yet this game. I am getting a negative read from him, and if he flips red, I bet you will too.
On August 09 2010 04:23 Jayme wrote:
How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting.
If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody.
I'd like to hear Ace's plan though.
Because I have learned ways to get information flowing which I can analyze and find scum, like Pyrrhuloxia and Scamp, who we as a town probably need to lynch.
On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.
I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum.
See how he "isn't worried about me", because he is wanting this wagon to go on Ace. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pyrrhuloxia was the Godfather.
On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense. P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously. Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here. 1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered... 2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in: Show nested quote +
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This tells us 2 things: The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself. Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell: Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action. If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced. Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit. ## vote Pyrr
You really are a good player, and you know it. I'm jealous. At least we have suspicions of the same person.
On August 09 2010 07:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote:
then say it out loud -_- I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure. You already told the mafia to force you to do it so... You should have just stayed low if you were worrieda bout the mafia forcing you to use your action. That said, I doubt there's a mafia role to force someone to use their action. A role that limits someone's speaking seems pretty guaranteed, though. I think one of the examples Hesmyrr gave was a shy townie that had some posting restrictions. That would be a really lame/boring role to have so I could see Hesmyrr balancing that by giving some way for the silent person to know red roles - I could see Hesmyrr assuming that we wouldn't immediately jump to the hypothesis I had on BM's role. It could be that BM is following an example claim given to the mafia by Hesmyrr, or he just thought he would fake being unable to speak to lay low as red, and BM just used my question to him as an excuse to try to kill Ace. If we were to kill Ace and he flips non-red, though, we'd go after BM and I don't think that's a good trade for mafia.
Why are you thinking like mafia at all? This feels like a scum slip to me. I feel like your play this game fits with your scum meta, especially with the way you jumped on the first opportunity presented to you for a wagon.
On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute
No, I was just jumping at the opportunity to piss Ace off day 1. Whenever people started talking about "play to win", I realized that I was betraying the town by not scumhunting. I hadn't originally intended to use my ploy for information, but since it DID get a lot of information, I'm going to use it.
That's why I'm going to
Vote: Pyrrhuloxia
On August 09 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.
I'm totally down with the Bill Murray bandwagon right now as other than the inactive (who may have a legitimate excuse) he looks like the best play. The only thing that I'm concerned about it is that there seems to be no consideration as to what to do if BM flips green or blue. It doesn't clear Pyrr and puts more pressure on Ace, who at this point is looking like our strongest player. It doesn't really put more pressure on Ace because it just means BM was fucking around. Or that Hesmyrr forgot some of his rules or we are misinterpreting them (doubt it). It doesn't clear me but I think it undermines the reasons people are currently voting for me, which based on me working in concert with BM.
Don't try to blame me for your scumminess showing when you were arguing with Ace. It was my fault that the town was in chaos at the time, but a lot of information came from it that is going to be pro-town when we lynch you (because you are going to flip red).
On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles. ##vote Ace
I thought I wanted to kill ace... I always want to pressure him first, because he's the best player, but there is no way in hell I'm voting for Ace right now or willing to endorse his lynch. I am pretty sure that you have dug yourself a hole, and when I flip, you will definitely get killed.
On August 09 2010 10:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:54 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. you didnt answer my question I'm scummy because I'm trying (and failing miserably) to keep the mafia from picking out blues. Ace is clearly innocent because his plan is getting us no closer to identifying any scum and never will.
You are scum trying to go against a plan that puts pressure on you.
On August 09 2010 11:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties Hi scum :D Some of them imply blue. That's all mafia needs. Sure some blues might have penalties that don't hint that they are blue. How many people out there are green and have penalties that hint blue? So far only Divinek, who may be mafia. In any case hadn't heard otherwise and I'm sure the mafia like their odds based on how this conversation has played out (ie right into mafia hands) which is why I should have realized not to have the conversation in the first place but congrats for catching me playing like crap.
So you're implying that he caught you on your scum slip? I wouldn't say you've been playing like crap if you're red, you have a wagon going on me, and you almost had a townie with a vendetta lynch a town aligned power role, which would have been some absolute awesomeness for you.
The only crappy part about your play is that you were too willing to bandwagon and have little slipups about the amount of information you have.
On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
Do you remember when L spent 2 weeks trying to get me lynched? It happens. I'm sorry, but I've dropped it, and am not trying to push it.
@Scamp: what players are you referring to?
@Ace: What should we do going forward as a town?
I'm going to
Vote: Pyrrhuloxia
Fairly certain he's scum.
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##vote Bill Murray
you don't get to fuck the town over all day, show up and claim its my fault
"I've been a treestump. I hated using it, but when you're near a lynch, it is a good ability. Wouldn't you rather be able to continue talking than have to sit on the sidelines watching? you can still do behavioral analysis and catch scum as a treestump."
He should not use that role. Is he even allowed to talk after using that? I'm not sure he is.
"See how he "isn't worried about me", because he is wanting this wagon to go on Ace. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pyrrhuloxia was the Godfather."
I wasn't as worried about you because I thought you might be blue BECAUSE YOU WERE FUCKING LYING, ASSHOLE.
"You are scum trying to go against a plan that puts pressure on you."
You're damn right it puts pressure on me. Pressure to reveal my role WHICH SHOULD NOT BE FORCED ON ANYONE at this point.
"So you're implying that he caught you on your scum slip? I wouldn't say you've been playing like crap if you're red, you have a wagon going on me, and you almost had a townie with a vendetta lynch a town aligned power role, which would have been some absolute awesomeness for you.
The only crappy part about your play is that you were too willing to bandwagon and have little slipups about the amount of information you have."
Little slipups about the information I had- we've been having that all over town thanks to Ace's plan here. I notice you don't specify any of these.
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Don't act like i'm the only one who is calling you out on your scumminess, pyrry
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Uh oh, you're slipping up Pyrr.
1.) The link to the tree stump role has already been revealed. Tree stump can talk.
2.) No one is putting pressure on anyone to reveal roles. I've only asked for penalties. You yourself even stated that penalties do not imply roles here where I called you out on it:
On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties Hi scum :D
So you've just contradicted your stance again within one day. there have been no slip ups of information but thanks for taking another shot at me while you had the chance. Even throwing all of that out of the window there is another odd little situation I noticed:
Before I revealed my plan and Bill Murray voted on me you were so gung ho in figuring out Bill Murray's penalty. So when I revealed my plan why did you all of a sudden change your stance on revealing penalties? Surely if you thought it was a bad idea then you wouldn't have been trying to figure out what Bill Murray's penalty is.
Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning. All he did was deny your points and vote for you. You on the other hand opened up with this little gem to undermine him:
you don't get to fuck the town over all day, show up and claim its my fault
How many times are you going to do that? He never even claimed it was your fault. Hell the town isn't even "fucked up" or in a bad position. The town is actually in a pretty good state right now considering other games we've all played in.
But then to make it worse I was going to throw my scum tally on you to the side for a second. But every time you open your mouth you say something that even a confused townsperson wouldn't say. Like this:
I wasn't as worried about you because I thought you might be blue BECAUSE YOU WERE FUCKING LYING, ASSHOLE.
Er? So if you knowingly thought Bill Murray might be blue...but you were up in arms against my plan because you felt it would reveal blues...then why did you try to derive BM's penalty? In fact, if you knew he was lying isn't that a very good cause to be worried? Wait a sec - how did you know he was lying Pyrr?
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@ Bill Murray: Everyone should be penalty claiming.
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@ Ace: ok. who is keeping a list of the claims?
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thank you bill for actually making a real post and trying to help the town out, it feels like ages since ive seen that lol
and now that i got what i wanted from ace, his post seems to confirm his aligntment for me for now and thus it seems perfectly right to believe him
so im definitely believing my original intentions, now that the votes on bm actually pressured him into talking, and getting this wagon starter on ace lynched
##unvote
##vote pyrr
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your wanting to wagon is noted, divinek
@ace: if i die, a specific power role loses their power, but i don't want to say which
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I'm keeping track right here:
Penalties:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role dies
You don't have to tell us anything about the role that dies. Just the penalty.
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oops misread.
Penalties:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role loses their power
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You wanna know my penalty?
I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later.
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"Surely if you thought it was a bad idea then you wouldn't have been trying to figure out what Bill Murray's penalty is."
That's because I figured the only way for him to use his ability to benefit town was through what I was trying to do.
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my penalty is roughly
if a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on me for the following night
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"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."
I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.
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"Er? So if you knowingly thought Bill Murray might be blue...but you were up in arms against my plan because you felt it would reveal blues...then why did you try to derive BM's penalty?"
I asked him whether he had a full list or just you. If it was just you, then we would have that info and could use it immediately. I guess he might have had some hidden ability to get more mafia later but even then it's already a good trade. If he has the whole list and gives it to us, kaching we win, Hesmyrr is a bad game designer. Maybe I should have respected him more but I thought one role was reasonable.
In fact, if you knew he was lying isn't that a very good cause to be worried? "
"Wait a sec - how did you know he was lying Pyrr?"
I dunno, maybe because he said he couldn't talk to town... AND THEN STARTED TALKING TO TOWN? I obviously didn't think he was lying when I thought he was blue. How would I know he was lying if I was mafia unless he was on my team? Because you don't seem to think he is. Maybe he's on your team?
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BM: Well obviously I was referring to Ace, but anyone who is good at sniping blue roles as mafia qualify. I haven't played with most of these people before, so I don't know who would be good at that sort of thing other than Ace.
My penalty is that my votes are limited.
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On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."
I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.
This is the only point with you I'm willing to agree with. It's pretty much a cardinal rule that a townie is not to lie...ever. The thing is you basically pushed said blue rule on BM and he went with it.
My penalty is that I look extremely guilty.
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On August 09 2010 15:22 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."
I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit. This is the only point with you I'm willing to agree with. It's pretty much a cardinal rule that a townie is not to lie...ever. The thing is you basically pushed said blue rule on BM and he went with it. My penalty is that I look extremely guilty.
I didn't push it on him. I had an idea and Bill Murray lied to troll me and the rest of town.
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it was a ploy to out you
and it worked
so quit flailing and take it like a man
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On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."
I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.
stop squirming.
I've already said I'm of the idea we'll deal with Bill Murray later. I find you more suspicious though. You had the motive, situation and the behavior to do something any anti-town player would have done on Day 1 with Bill Murray in the game.
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##Vote: Abstain for now. This does not count against my limit. I will change it if needed.
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On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense. P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously. Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here. 1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered... 2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in: Show nested quote +
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This tells us 2 things: The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself. Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell: Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action. If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced. Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit. ## vote Pyrr
Small question: how would we know what makes the game balanced without knowing, or trying to infer, all the roles in the game?
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On August 09 2010 18:14 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."
I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit. stop squirming. I've already said I'm of the idea we'll deal with Bill Murray later. I find you more suspicious though. You had the motive, situation and the behavior to do something any anti-town player would have done on Day 1 with Bill Murray in the game.
You actually wish to hold off on Bill Murray?
That's...quite unlike your usual personality. Are you so sure you can see through his bullshit that he's inevitably going to spew?
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wait....seriously? BM comes back, makes a statement about how he's just dicking around and now all of a sudden the pressures off him and on Pyrr in a huge way? something strikes me as odd, I'll go back and re-read
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Guys, focus on BM
I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr.
We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town.
As for Ace's plan
On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
You wanna know my penalty?
I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later.
Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum
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I wonder about these apparently conflicting statements:
On August 08 2010 09:23 Ace wrote:
Majority of mafia games are no PM ^_^
With basically no information needless to say we are in a bad position to start off. But fear not! Based on reading my role PM I can make some guesses as to what's possibly a good idea. I think my role, while not powerful is potentially good enough to almost break the game if my hunch is correct. Let me think about what other possible penalties are available.
Versus this one:
On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.
P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.
Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.
1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...
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I am not ready to push for a lynching of Ace, but these sort of conflicting statements are not giving me any comfort, especially in conjunction with the claim that we need to state our penalty, but not the roles, so we can "figure out how the game is balanced". You need both pieces as far as I can tell. The only thing the penalties tell me thus far is some people have "actions" and others do not - which seems to be quite valuable for the mafia while not helping the town a great deal.
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On August 09 2010 23:03 LSB wrote:Guys, focus on BM I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr. We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town. As for Ace's plan Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
You wanna know my penalty?
I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later. Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum
Pyrr could also be red.
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agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr
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On August 09 2010 23:23 zeks wrote:
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr
How do you reckon that?
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Just as a note, youngminii has been way active (well now at least =p) in the other game, not a peep in this one
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Looking replacement for Pandain per request.
youngminii will be prodded.
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LOL OKAY I TOTALLY DID NOT KNOW THIS GAME STARTED
WILL START READING LOL
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##vote:abstain
Place holder for now.
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On August 09 2010 23:21 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 23:03 LSB wrote:Guys, focus on BM I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr. We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town. As for Ace's plan On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
You wanna know my penalty?
I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later. Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum Pyrr could also be red.
Of course. So lets see what penalty claiming has done for the town
The Town knows that Pyrr is either Blue or Red.
(Assuming Pyrr isn't in the mafia)
The Mafia knows that Pyrr is Blue, because they have a PM of who is red. Target #1 on the hitlist
So all we're doing is giving the mafia more information
On August 09 2010 23:24 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 23:23 zeks wrote:
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr How do you reckon that?
Lets say BM flips red. Ace would then be our next lynch.
Ace was the one who figured out BM was just messing with us. After a bandwagon was formed. Ace responced by chainsaw defending BM. Very scummy
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lets just lynch bm ace and pyrr and then play from there
jk
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Korynne replaces Pandain.
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On August 10 2010 03:13 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 23:21 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 23:03 LSB wrote:Guys, focus on BM I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr. We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town. As for Ace's plan On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
You wanna know my penalty?
I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later. Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum Pyrr could also be red. Of course. So lets see what penalty claiming has done for the town The Town knows that Pyrr is either Blue or Red. (Assuming Pyrr isn't in the mafia) The Mafia knows that Pyrr is Blue, because they have a PM of who is red. Target #1 on the hitlist So all we're doing is giving the mafia more information Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 23:24 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 23:23 zeks wrote:
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr How do you reckon that? Lets say BM flips red. Ace would then be our next lynch. Ace was the one who figured out BM was just messing with us. After a bandwagon was formed. Ace responced by chainsaw defending BM. Very scummy
Odd, but fine, it's a theory. What about Pyrr? And what if Bill doesn't flip red?
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On August 10 2010 03:46 Hesmyrr wrote:
Korynne replaces Pandain.
Yay! Please weigh in on the "penalty plan", I need your input!
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Sup boys~
Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.
So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.
Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course.
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Reminding everyone that deadline is August 10 2010 08:24 KST (less than 5 hrs); two of you better rumble!
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On August 10 2010 03:56 Korynne wrote:
Sup boys~
Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.
So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.
Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course.
Do you think knowing the penalties helps the reds?
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+ Show Spoiler +Koryyyyynnneeeee. maaaaaffiiaaaaaaa. KOOOOORRYYYYYYYNEEEEEEEEE! GODFAATHAAAAA!
If pyrr isnt scum, then its safe to gun forace I assume. I mean Ace is making it seem that pyrr is mafia for sure, id doubt hed push so hard unless he was lying or truly believed it. If he denies it, then im not going to push pyrr for him if hes not going to accept the consequences of pushing people as hard as he does without good reason. If he has a good a reason as he says he does, i dont see any point in not following him.
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I don't see what input I can give citi.zen... I'll read over the thread again when I get home (I did my first read through today), but it just seems like Ace is saying he'll perform some sparkly magics by piecing together the penalties and what nots. I don't see what we can do with the penalties so far... seems to only help mafia. At most causes mafia to kill Ace and then the rest of us sit around going uhhh, so, list of penalties... now what?
Pyrr, do you have to be alive for your action to be carried out 2 mornings later? Because if not then we should just keep Pyrr around, let Pyrr claim what he did after it's going to go through, and then see if it happens (unless mafia roleblocks him, in which case he should know and then tell us whatever he wants accordingly). Doesn't clear him, but like, it's something more tangible than the other claims we've gotten.
Side note, he made a very safe claim for mafia. Vig -> 2 days later -> mafia night kill.
Looking at other penalty claims:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
Well I'm assuming this confirms him when it happens? Puts him under the spotlight if he doesn't do anything... so I would say unsafe mafia claim.
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
Combined with treestump makes it all rather neutral, since noone would ask him to activate his role presumably, unless possibly a really strange and awkward LYLO situation (not sure if that kind of situation is even possible where we'd want to confirm him but have +1 mafia). So basically a neutral claim.
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role loses their power
Both are neutral claims in that it only happens when they die, so we can't confirm anything.
Korynne: Can't change actions.
I would say this is neutral. Easy enough to pretend to have this penalty as mafia, and I'm active enough to pull it off so that it has no negative effects (I have a history of waiting before acting anyway).
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On August 10 2010 04:07 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 03:56 Korynne wrote:
Sup boys~
Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.
So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.
Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course. Do you think knowing the penalties helps the reds?
I think the penalties could likely help reds. If I was red I'd definitely prefer knowing them than not, especially given that Hesmyrr gave reds safe claims, and so far (including my claim) some claims seem to be reasonably safe and uncheckable.
I haven't seen anything from the penalties that could help town so far. Ace may be able to be confirmed it seems, not entirely sure what his thing means. But if nothing shows up for a night or two I'd be very suspicious. Everyone else on the other hand seems to have very neutral claims.
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On August 10 2010 04:15 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Koryyyyynnneeeee. maaaaaffiiaaaaaaa. KOOOOORRYYYYYYYNEEEEEEEEE! GODFAATHAAAAA! If pyrr isnt scum, then its safe to gun forace I assume. I mean Ace is making it seem that pyrr is mafia for sure, id doubt hed push so hard unless he was lying or truly believed it. If he denies it, then im not going to push pyrr for him if hes not going to accept the consequences of pushing people as hard as he does without good reason. If he has a good a reason as he says he does, i dont see any point in not following him.
You and your lack of double ns in my name. *glare*
I disagree with the if X [is/isn't] scum then Y [is/isn't] scum. I think we should discuss such things after it happens. As in like, decide whether or not to lynch X based on how scummy X is or how many people seem very for or against X or whatever information could be gained from lynching X. Then the next day talk about whether or not we should lynch Y based on X. Otherwise mafia can easily just get a double kill or an associated kill by bandwagoning on the first guy.
Ace can truly believe that Pyrr is mafia, and Pyrr can slip up a lot as a townie, and we could lynch Pyrr, and Ace could still be town. Just keep your mind open and see how things go~
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On August 10 2010 04:17 Korynne wrote:
Pyrr, do you have to be alive for your action to be carried out 2 mornings later? Because if not then we should just keep Pyrr around, let Pyrr claim what he did after it's going to go through, and then see if it happens (unless mafia roleblocks him, in which case he should know and then tell us whatever he wants accordingly). Doesn't clear him, but like, it's something more tangible than the other claims we've gotten.
I have to survive Night 2. :-/
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On August 10 2010 04:23 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 04:07 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 03:56 Korynne wrote:
Sup boys~
Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.
So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.
Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course. Do you think knowing the penalties helps the reds? I think the penalties could likely help reds. If I was red I'd definitely prefer knowing them than not, especially given that Hesmyrr gave reds safe claims, and so far (including my claim) some claims seem to be reasonably safe and uncheckable. I haven't seen anything from the penalties that could help town so far. Ace may be able to be confirmed it seems, not entirely sure what his thing means. But if nothing shows up for a night or two I'd be very suspicious. Everyone else on the other hand seems to have very neutral claims.
You described Ace's play as "normal: have you seen him do this sort of opaque/possibly damaging/"plan" based play often? Asking for public claims on top of it all? I'll be honest, I find it odd from him.
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##vote Ace
I gotta leave for friend's house, taking her out to dinner cause I GOT ACCEPTED INTO MED SCHOOL!!! But I'll explain my vote after I get back, Pyrr is still going to be lynch regardless I think, can someone else put a vote on him? I gotta switch off cause of my penalty.
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congrats
just vote pyrrhuloxia though... i dont think ace is scum this game
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Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?
I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.
Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?
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at this point we need to really consolidate votes
this isnt like a typical mafiascum game in terms of day 1 lasting 3 weeks... so we need to consolidate votes FAST and speed up the pace so we can pressure people into slipping up
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I am detective.
When I am dead, go after:
Ace: Mafia
Bill Murray: Mafia / Ass
Sorry to town for playing like shit this game. GJ Ace for defenestrating the town with a scummy plan that couldn't be argued against effectively without the blues giving themselves away. The greens will see it as harmless and jump in, isolating, identifying and FoSing the blues who will be hurt by it. Very clever.
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On August 10 2010 07:33 Bill Murray wrote:
at this point we need to really consolidate votes
this isnt like a typical mafiascum game in terms of day 1 lasting 3 weeks... so we need to consolidate votes FAST and speed up the pace so we can pressure people into slipping up
Yes, no time to think things through; town must be as mindless as possible.
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People have already slipped up, just look at the amount of times people have put words in my mouth about things that I haven't said. Remember that time I caught both Dr.H and L on Day 1 in that game because they kept slipping up trying to undermine my awesomeness by stating things that just weren't true?
:D
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in the one with the gambinos and genoveses?
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Yea I think that's the one. But the most damning thing about all of this is that not only have they argued with me, but not a single one of them has come up with a new idea or direction to go on. All this complaining about blue roles dying and no positive input on doing something to help. Do these sound like pro town moves to you?
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On August 10 2010 07:44 Ace wrote:
Yea I think that's the one. But the most damning thing about all of this is that not only have they argued with me, but not a single one of them has come up with a new idea or direction to go on. All this complaining about blue roles dying and no positive input on doing something to help. Do these sound like pro town moves to you?
You of all people should know that no blue confirmation plan is necessary for town to win.
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On August 10 2010 07:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I am detective.
When I am dead, go after:
Ace: Mafia
Bill Murray: Mafia / Ass
Sorry to town for playing like shit this game. GJ Ace for defenestrating the town with a scummy plan that couldn't be argued against effectively without the blues giving themselves away. The greens will see it as harmless and jump in, isolating, identifying and FoSing the blues who will be hurt by it. Very clever.
I lol'd.
Let me get this straight...
You are a detective right? But you must wait TWO days to act?
L
O
L
So you can't use your powers at all on Night 1, but somehow using it on Night 2 makes it all better? But you admit you played like shit this game, as if that's a reason to take sympathy on you.
Ignoring your play though this is what your entire role looks like:
You are a detective. Your penalty is that you can't act until Night 2.
Yea, ok. Whatever. If this is true then we all might as well stop playing this game because all our roles would be so bad I don't think Hessmyrr would have even created the game. Town would have no chance due to the possibility of starting off with a good shot of 2 mislynches (2 Day 1's) and the chance of 2 power roles getting clocked before we get it straight.
You're bullshitting.
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On August 10 2010 07:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:44 Ace wrote:
Yea I think that's the one. But the most damning thing about all of this is that not only have they argued with me, but not a single one of them has come up with a new idea or direction to go on. All this complaining about blue roles dying and no positive input on doing something to help. Do these sound like pro town moves to you? You of all people should know that no blue confirmation plan is necessary for town to win.
And once again you're putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said I'm making a blue confirmation plan. Hell, show me ANYWHERE where I've said I'm valuing blue roles over green?
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I believe he said his actions dont get registered til two days after, which is long time for such a small game, Id imagine mafia have some harsh penalties to compensate. Like no KP :D one can hope.
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On August 10 2010 07:50 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 10 2010 07:44 Ace wrote:
Yea I think that's the one. But the most damning thing about all of this is that not only have they argued with me, but not a single one of them has come up with a new idea or direction to go on. All this complaining about blue roles dying and no positive input on doing something to help. Do these sound like pro town moves to you? You of all people should know that no blue confirmation plan is necessary for town to win. And once again you're putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said I'm making a blue confirmation plan. Hell, show me ANYWHERE where I've said I'm valuing blue roles over green?
I'm not talking to you anymore, you haven't been responding to me honestly or straight forwardly all game long; everything I post, you answer to something I haven't said.
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I can't post my role PM due to roles so I will paraphrase.
My checking takes longer than usual because I am Cautious Detective.
If I submit a check night one, I get the result at the end of night 2 / start of day 3.
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On August 10 2010 07:49 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I am detective.
When I am dead, go after:
Ace: Mafia
Bill Murray: Mafia / Ass
Sorry to town for playing like shit this game. GJ Ace for defenestrating the town with a scummy plan that couldn't be argued against effectively without the blues giving themselves away. The greens will see it as harmless and jump in, isolating, identifying and FoSing the blues who will be hurt by it. Very clever. I lol'd. Let me get this straight... You are a detective right? But you must wait TWO days to act? L O L So you can't use your powers at all on Night 1, but somehow using it on Night 2 makes it all better? But you admit you played like shit this game, as if that's a reason to take sympathy on you. Ignoring your play though this is what your entire role looks like: You are a detective. Your penalty is that you can't act until Night 2.Yea, ok. Whatever. If this is true then we all might as well stop playing this game because all our roles would be so bad I don't think Hessmyrr would have even created the game. Town would have no chance due to the possibility of starting off with a good shot of 2 mislynches (2 Day 1's) and the chance of 2 power roles getting clocked before we get it straight. You're bullshitting.
You're right, it does suck. That's why I thought maybe we had a mute role that knew a mafia day 1.
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On August 10 2010 07:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I believe he said his actions dont get registered til two days after, which is long time for such a small game, Id imagine mafia have some harsh penalties to compensate. Like no KP :D one can hope.
That's the thing, the mafia don't have any penalties.
@Pyrr: You know if you really wanted to save yourself you'd be trying to convince the rest of the town to change their vote. Not me. But you don't even seem like you care about living so if you die to a lynch it's your own fault. Toodles ^_^
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On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?
I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.
Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?
You were answered multiple times Ace: nobody cares WHICH blue role people have. Knowing they are blue is bad enough.
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you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.
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On August 09 2010 23:14 citi.zen wrote:I wonder about these apparently conflicting statements: Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 09:23 Ace wrote:
Majority of mafia games are no PM ^_^
With basically no information needless to say we are in a bad position to start off. But fear not! Based on reading my role PM I can make some guesses as to what's possibly a good idea. I think my role, while not powerful is potentially good enough to almost break the game if my hunch is correct. Let me think about what other possible penalties are available. Versus this one: Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.
P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.
Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.
1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...
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I am not ready to push for a lynching of Ace, but these sort of conflicting statements are not giving me any comfort, especially in conjunction with the claim that we need to state our penalty, but not the roles, so we can "figure out how the game is balanced". You need both pieces as far as I can tell. The only thing the penalties tell me thus far is some people have "actions" and others do not - which seems to be quite valuable for the mafia while not helping the town a great deal.
Still waiting on your conflicting statements to be reconciled.
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On August 10 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I believe he said his actions dont get registered til two days after, which is long time for such a small game, Id imagine mafia have some harsh penalties to compensate. Like no KP :D one can hope. That's the thing, the mafia don't have any penalties. @Pyrr: You know if you really wanted to save yourself you'd be trying to convince the rest of the town to change their vote. Not me. But you don't even seem like you care about living so if you die to a lynch it's your own fault. Toodles ^_^
If I don't get lynched, you just kill me tonight before I can use my role. If I die, people see why your plan was scummy and apparently that's the wake up call this town needs because they've been ignoring logic from LSB and I.
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It's not conflicting at all. I've got something that's potentially game breaking but could also make the town lose.
What's conflicting about that?
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On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.
Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read.
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On August 10 2010 08:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:On August 10 2010 07:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I believe he said his actions dont get registered til two days after, which is long time for such a small game, Id imagine mafia have some harsh penalties to compensate. Like no KP :D one can hope. That's the thing, the mafia don't have any penalties. @Pyrr: You know if you really wanted to save yourself you'd be trying to convince the rest of the town to change their vote. Not me. But you don't even seem like you care about living so if you die to a lynch it's your own fault. Toodles ^_^ If I don't get lynched, you just kill me tonight before I can use my role. If I die, people see why your plan was scummy and apparently that's the wake up call this town needs because they've been ignoring logic from LSB and I.
*yawn*
Stop talking to me and appeal to the town. I'm not changing my vote. Talk to everyone else and make your case if you're so innocent. Come on, this is basic Mafia gameplay 101. Stop playing like shit and man up.
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Whoops I was going to say that Pandain is around but he's already been replaced.
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On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD. Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read.
If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.
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On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD. Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read.
Isn't that so annoying how he does that? He is so good at this slippery, headache inducing stuff.
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On August 10 2010 08:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD. Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read. If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.
See, like here: If you say his plan is bad he says "you don't have a plan." It's like liberals when they attack conservatives for "not having a plan" as if only the government can have a plan, when it's not a true assumption. You don't need a claiming plan in mafia; TL needs more role-less games, I think, so people can figure out how to play. We don't need an organization if individuals up they game.
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On August 10 2010 08:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD. Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read. If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.
ROFL. I think I'll go with "behavior analysis" over a plan that only helps the reds. Funny.
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Listen, you can keep talking about what teamliquid mafia games need or not but the point of the matter is you haven't done anything on Day 1 to show me you want to find scum. All you've done is criticize and bash me without offering anything positive. Obviously you aren't going to convince me to change my vote, so you need to convince the rest of the town. You don't even seem interested in doing so even though I've told you this twice and it just keeps reaffirming my belief you are playing like shit. Whether you are town or scum this is basic. If you are really a detective that just roleclaimed why aren't you hammering this point around? This is exactly why I'm not listening to you.
I'm no longer talking though. The rest of you can complain all you want but until you scum hunt and show something better then keep it moving.
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So if we have some role that can protect me decently (doubtful), try to keep me alive?
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Scumhunt. Right.
##Vote Ace
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@ Ace: mass roleblock?
@ citi.zen: who are your top 3 suspects, and why?
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♦ Night 1 Post
[Final Vote Count]
+ Show Spoiler +Current Leader: Pyrrhuloxia (4)
Ace
bumatlarge
Bill Murray
Divinek
Bill Murray (3)
zeks
LSB
Pyrrhuloxia
Ace (2)
chaoser
citi.zen
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
Scamp
Jayme
Not voting (2): youngminii, Korynne
No votes for deadline extension.
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Uneasy tension dominates the room, but no one does anything, only sharing nervous glances at each other.
After determined group of people called back people scattered elsewhere, everyone moved as a group toward the town hall to discuss how to handle the threat. However when every imminent problems are solved and town is ready to be organized, even the most active of the individuals fall strange silent as they ponder what to do.
Well, everyone knew what to do; they simply fought not to acknowledge what needed to be done. But unless they throw away their morality and open up the fiendish floodgate of suspicion, they would be butchered like sheep among the wolves.
It only takes one person to begin. When a man accuses someone solely based on his gut, outrage occurs as all present speaks up and throw out their opinion. The room fills with cacophony of irrational and hysterical accusations as desperate and scared townies try to find the source of the terror.
Finally, amongst the chaos, someone levels a seemingly logical argument against Pyrrhuloxia and most grasp at it as if it was beacon of the hope. Some try to speak up the flaws in the argument, but even before they could properly address the group, four angry people stands up and suddenly starts attacking the man before he had time to react.
Horrified by this act of violence some interfere and tear the mob away from the unfortunate victim, but it is too late- forlorn for scapegoat they could pour out their fearful emotions upon, they have resorted to surprising brutality they never thought were capable of, killing Pyrrhuloxia in irrational heat of passion.
Soon the search of his residence proves that he was in fact the detective in this town, hired to protect those who had now beaten him to death. And people realize that the unknown group of criminals are not their only enemy- everyone, deep within them, wrought a death that could strike others any moment when provoked.
Pyrrhuloxia, Cautious Detective, is lynched.
The deadline ends at August 12 2010 08:46 KST
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On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?
Okay scum, I'm doing this for the town
Ace: BS penalty cause he's scum
Bumatlarge: Tree stump
Zeks: Townie
Bill Murray: Townie or Red
Korynne: He thankfully made his penalty really general, and he hasn't posted much so I can't tell. I think green, but I haven't found his 'penalty claim' post yet.
Give me more penalties, I give you more answers
There you go scum.
Let's keep this straight, your plan Sucks. If I can figure roles out, a complete noob who hasn't survived the first night yet. The mafia can do it
All you say is "LOL People are dumb! They can't figure it out! lol"
Then the mafia can crack it.
To me it sounds like a mafia honeypot
I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.
Let's talk about our feelings
I feel a bit queasy, cause I ate some fried stuff for dinner. I also feel a bit tired.
Talking about feeling is really fun :D!
Pyrr is offering himself as a sacrifice so we can take down BM. You didn't take it.
Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum.
Definition of Chainsaw defense. Scum defending their own by attacking someone else. I want to congratulate you scum. You pulled it off well. We know BM is scum, and you've successfully starved off his lynch in favor of Pyrr.
kkthxbai
LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?
You want to know what I'm contributing to the town? I'm trying to take down a known scum. Bill Murry. Your kill our DT. Congratulations.
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On August 10 2010 08:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now? Okay scum, I'm doing this for the town Ace: BS penalty cause he's scum Bumatlarge: Tree stump Zeks: Townie Bill Murray: Townie or Red Korynne: He thankfully made his penalty really general, and he hasn't posted much so I can't tell. I think green, but I haven't found his 'penalty claim' post yet. Give me more penalties, I give you more answers There you go scum. Let's keep this straight, your plan Sucks. If I can figure roles out, a complete noob who hasn't survived the first night yet. The mafia can do it All you say is "LOL People are dumb! They can't figure it out! lol" Then the mafia can crack it. To me it sounds like a mafia honeypot Show nested quote +
I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.
Let's talk about our feelingsI feel a bit queasy, cause I ate some fried stuff for dinner. I also feel a bit tired. Talking about feeling is really fun :D! Pyrr is offering himself as a sacrifice so we can take down BM. You didn't take it. Show nested quote +Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. Definition of Chainsaw defense. Scum defending their own by attacking someone else. I want to congratulate you scum. You pulled it off well. We know BM is scum, and you've successfully starved off his lynch in favor of Pyrr. kkthxbai Show nested quote +LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me? You want to know what I'm contributing to the town? I'm trying to take down a known scum. Bill Murry. Your kill our DT. Congratulations.
I lol'd. I find it funny that you not once even tried to appeal to the rest of the town and attacked me all of Day 1, knowing that no matter if BM or Pyrr flipped town you'd go after me. Scum much?
Anyway I'm about to break this game wide open. I have a hunch and unless we've all got shitty roles this game is over.
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Nice defense btw, your eloquence astounds me
I'm going after you because of the honeypot you created, not because of BM, and especially not because of Pyrr.
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Also if I was arguing with BM, and then argued with Pyrr how the hell can I Chainsaw Defend BM? That wouldn't even make sense because I haven't even defended Bill Murray. I just found Pyrr more scummy
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Definition of Chainsaw defense. Scum defending their own by attacking someone else.
Let's say we have two people. Let's call them Bill Murry, and Ace.
Bill Murry is mafia, he gets attacked.
Ace is mafia, he starts attacking the DT. The town gets distracted and doesn't lynch BM and instead lynches the DT.
That is the chainsaw defence
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Wrong. If that's the case then why I would call Bill Murray out and then defend him. Derp Derp?
As soon as Hessmyrr answers my PM I'll know if I can role claim or not. This game is over.
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Attention Town. Are you wondering how we got our DT lynched?
Look where our votes went. 3 votes went to BM, and Ace recieved 2 votes. If we all had focused on BM, he would be lynched.
Instead, we broke up our votes and we got screwed over.
Remember, there are 3 mafia. So all it takes is one of us to go after the wrong person, the three mafia members then jump on, bringing it to a total of 4 votes. Boom, Pyrr is dead
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On August 10 2010 09:04 Ace wrote:
Wrong. If that's the case then why I would call Bill Murray out and then defend him. Derp Derp?
As soon as Hessmyrr answers my PM I'll know if I can role claim or not. This game is over.
Offering one of your own as sacrifice?
Look at my earlier post to see why
On August 09 2010 08:36 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:
Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia:
Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents.
However, looks like he made a small mistake :D
Oops I can't read either, there isn't any double lynch. In instead of 2 days, Bill's death buys 3 days. As day 3 we lynch his 'right hand man'. Assuming no vigis act, that would leave the town with 4 townies vrs. 2 mafia at the start of day 4.
I have already answered these questions. What you are doing is asking me these things, trying to get me distracted.
I'm pretty sure you'll roleclaim mafia.
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Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion:
The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1.
Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0.
When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side.
My penalty
bumatlarge's penalty
zeks penalty
So now we're at -3: 0.
At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die.
This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night.
If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road
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Say wut?
You sound like the People in battle.net forums. OMG this game is unbalanced QQ.
I will offer an alternate theory.
This game is balanced by
1) Reversal of expectations. Mafia will expect things, things won't turn out right.
2) Large amounts of blue roles. Given that lots of people haven't role claimed yet, and our first lynch hits a blue, it's pretty likely that a lot of people are blue.
What your theory sounds like is "Vigi! Please don't kill me tonight"
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lets just get rid of one (or more) of BM and Ace and reset from step 1
if not one of you (or more) are scum then considered my mind blown - 3 of the "best" players on a see-saw for the past day or two and all end up town? i dont buy it
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so what you gonna do about, scum?
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I killed Pyrr by switching my vote off BM. It was an idiotic move, I was not aware of the vote totals and had no clue the voting was ending so soon.
That said, Ace is red.
I also think Korynne is red. Plus someone who attacked Ace day 1, Ace like to do that with one team member.
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false citizen. I only did that in like 4 out of 15 or so mafia games. That doesn't mean I like to do it ^_^
Thanks for taking responsibility of the vote switch though. It almost makes you innocent in my blood stained eyes.
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On August 10 2010 09:35 Ace wrote:
false citizen. I only did that in like 4 out of 15 or so mafia games. That doesn't mean I like to do it ^_^
Thanks for taking responsibility of the vote switch though. It almost makes you innocent in my blood stained eyes.
He admits to being awake up all night doing bloody work! :O
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Pyrr died in the day so I couldn't have been up at night :D
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But hanging's don't leave blood!
We were going to use the guillotine, but the ghost of Marie Antoinette is kindof scary.
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citi.zen did you ever answer when i asked you top 3 suspects? obstinacy is a sign of mafia
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On August 10 2010 09:46 Bill Murray wrote:
citi.zen did you ever answer when i asked you top 3 suspects? obstinacy is a sign of mafia
On August 10 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
I killed Pyrr by switching my vote off BM. It was an idiotic move, I was not aware of the vote totals and had no clue the voting was ending so soon.
That said, Ace is red.
I also think Korynne is red. Plus someone who attacked Ace day 1, Ace like to do that with one team member.
Need to look back at day 1, but you're not a bad candidate Bill. Let' not get ahead of ourselves though. Ace goes first. + Show Spoiler +Also, LOL at obstinacy comment :-)
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On August 10 2010 09:35 Ace wrote:
false citizen. I only did that in like 4 out of 15 or so mafia games. That doesn't mean I like to do it ^_^
Thanks for taking responsibility of the vote switch though. It almost makes you innocent in my blood stained eyes.
Ah, but precedents only tell you so much, context matters. In this case you rolled out this transparently bad plan, which succeed in outing some people. Perhaps your sacrifice was worth it, the mafia has 1 KP anyway. Still, knowing it would not last very long before people outed you, I would guess you instructed someone to take a stand against the plan, as an alibi for later.
First thing's first of course: we need to lynch you tomorrow and go from there.
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The plan isn't bad. We've just got lots of haters and scum scared to win. But I'm alive so we've still got a chance because I'm just that awesome.
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On August 10 2010 09:26 zeks wrote:
lets just get rid of one (or more) of BM and Ace and reset from step 1
if not one of you (or more) are scum then considered my mind blown - 3 of the "best" players on a see-saw for the past day or two and all end up town? i dont buy it
surely you mean 2 of the best players. I dont think BM is banned from ace's games because his play is so good it breaks the balance factor
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On August 10 2010 10:15 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 09:46 Bill Murray wrote:
citi.zen did you ever answer when i asked you top 3 suspects? obstinacy is a sign of mafia Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
I killed Pyrr by switching my vote off BM. It was an idiotic move, I was not aware of the vote totals and had no clue the voting was ending so soon.
That said, Ace is red.
I also think Korynne is red. Plus someone who attacked Ace day 1, Ace like to do that with one team member. Need to look back at day 1, but you're not a bad candidate Bill. Let' not get ahead of ourselves though. Ace goes first. + Show Spoiler +Also, LOL at obstinacy comment :-)
why am i a good candidate? i'm just a townie, but the fact that without me we essentially make a power role a townie, i am vital to the town's survival and ability to act at night
with my claim, i wouldn't be surprised if i was killed tonight, so you'll have to pick someone other than me tomorrow
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Sorry Ace, sorry you're dirty scum
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Last I checked you've got a vote on Pyrr also. Why you trying to play the blame game instead of figuring things out?
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Wow ok. Because I specifically said that if pyrr was what he was you would be the next to go, because you gunning for him was premature and rude, i regret believing you had some "ground-breaking" plan. Maybe your not really that smart trading yourself for pyrr, I wouldnt expect you'd think you could get out of this after saying things like "Stop squirming" and "Put your vote where your mouth is so I can destroy you" to Pyrr. Honeslty its condescending and immature to go about a game in such a way.
I honestly would rather play in a game with 2 bill murray's and 10 chezinu's then play a game with you in it. At least they would have a little respect for other people. Have fun killing people at night!
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stop your crying. If you feel that way then ask Hessmyrr to replace you out.
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Why you dont want me to "destroy you"?
You should probably stop "squirming"
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you can't destroy me because I'm a god.
But if you feel disrespected or something just replace out, no one is forcing you to play the game.
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Pretty desperate. If I didn't know better (I'm sure you'd make a 5 paragraph essay speculating in a roundabout way about how do not know better) you would like me to use my ability, wouldn't you?
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Go ahead, no one is stopping you from doing it. I actually don't really care if you do or you don't.
*shrug*
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I should step in and
1. Flaming (personal attacks) will not be allowed. However, aggressively or harshly criticizing someone's arguments is NOT equivalent to demeaning someone and will be allowed.
Nothing serious going on now - this is TL Mafia forum after all - but I see potential.
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On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road
How can you even begin to make these calculations without knowing what other blue roles there are? Not only that, but you assume based on them that you have a "hidden ability" which may or may not make sense.
I see how these claims would be convenient though, now that you're to be lynched next.
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On August 10 2010 12:15 bumatlarge wrote:
Pretty desperate. If I didn't know better (I'm sure you'd make a 5 paragraph essay speculating in a roundabout way about how do not know better) you would like me to use my ability, wouldn't you?
well if you did use it then you really would be a god in this game wouldnt you
or at least an immortal!
that's quite the one up
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On August 10 2010 12:24 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road How can you even begin to make these calculations without knowing what other blue roles there are? Not only that, but you assume based on them that you have a "hidden ability" which may or may not make sense. I see how these claims would be convenient though, now that you're to be lynched next.
*yawn*
How much you wanna bet I don't get lynched?
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Yeah it would seem Ace doesnt care whether or not I use it. You would think a townie would say that that would be a very bad move, but that's probably my noobie tendencies talking. I mean how bad can it be to give mafia 4 against, whats this now? 8 then? Hmm and no DT because, oh look hes dead! Because of some brilliant plan! Man what should we do now Ace?
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On August 10 2010 12:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:24 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road How can you even begin to make these calculations without knowing what other blue roles there are? Not only that, but you assume based on them that you have a "hidden ability" which may or may not make sense. I see how these claims would be convenient though, now that you're to be lynched next. *yawn* How much you wanna bet I don't get lynched?
Way to not answer the real question.
*yawn*
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On August 10 2010 12:42 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:35 Ace wrote:On August 10 2010 12:24 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road How can you even begin to make these calculations without knowing what other blue roles there are? Not only that, but you assume based on them that you have a "hidden ability" which may or may not make sense. I see how these claims would be convenient though, now that you're to be lynched next. *yawn* How much you wanna bet I don't get lynched? Way to not answer the real question. *yawn*
Hey citizen, do YOU think I should use my power? You know, the one that screwes town over completely?
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On August 10 2010 12:38 bumatlarge wrote:
Yeah it would seem Ace doesnt care whether or not I use it. You would think a townie would say that that would be a very bad move, but that's probably my noobie tendencies talking. I mean how bad can it be to give mafia 4 against, whats this now? 8 then? Hmm and no DT because, oh look hes dead! Because of some brilliant plan! Man what should we do now Ace?
well i think the only thing we gain from it is a confirmed townie. But in a game with such a small number of players, shifting the balance by TWO people, 1 for each side is down right ridiculous and i dont think you could ever justify using it. Like seriously even if you were to be lynched it'd be better to give town -1, than -1 and +1 mafia, unless you knew for sure someone else was scum or something.
Because a confirmed townie isnt really much to go off of what with us not being allowed to pm and stuff this game, that and probably our only dt is dead anyway.
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On August 10 2010 12:43 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:42 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 12:35 Ace wrote:On August 10 2010 12:24 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road How can you even begin to make these calculations without knowing what other blue roles there are? Not only that, but you assume based on them that you have a "hidden ability" which may or may not make sense. I see how these claims would be convenient though, now that you're to be lynched next. *yawn* How much you wanna bet I don't get lynched? Way to not answer the real question. *yawn* Hey citizen, do YOU think I should use my power? You know, the one that screwes town over completely?
Why would you? If we get to a point where it makes sense maybe, right now I don't see it.
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I don't even understand your power, but you weren't asking me
@Ace: Why do you not think you'll get lynched? I'm not saying I'm going to vote you, mind.
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Oops. So like, I have an exam today, and was studying yesterday, and totally forgot about mafia (since I stopped playing for so long >.<). Sorry guys, will catch up later tonight!
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On August 10 2010 15:12 Bill Murray wrote:
I don't even understand your power, but you weren't asking me
@Ace: Why do you not think you'll get lynched? I'm not saying I'm going to vote you, mind.
He seems to be under the impression that he can sway the town away from voting for him.
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jesus, i'm gone for a night and shit goes down -_-. Why didn't people get off Pyrr when he claimed DT? I guess it was too late at that point? Ace, you got some explaining to do...what is this "hidden ability" stuff about?
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On August 10 2010 23:22 chaoser wrote:
jesus, i'm gone for a night and shit goes down -_-. Why didn't people get off Pyrr when he claimed DT? I guess it was too late at that point? Ace, you got some explaining to do...what is this "hidden ability" stuff about?
A bunch of BS that Ace made up.
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On August 11 2010 00:08 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 23:22 chaoser wrote:
jesus, i'm gone for a night and shit goes down -_-. Why didn't people get off Pyrr when he claimed DT? I guess it was too late at that point? Ace, you got some explaining to do...what is this "hidden ability" stuff about? A bunch of BS that Ace made up.
He didn't make it up, he logically deduced, based on the few penalties people posted so far, and without knowledge of the blue roles included in the game. I mean... the town was at -3 versus the "baseline" - what else could be going on besides hidden abilities??
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mm, are you sure it's bs? I want him to talk about it first/how he came tot he conclusion that he has a hidden ability before I decide
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On August 11 2010 00:59 chaoser wrote:
mm, are you sure it's bs? I want him to talk about it first/how he came tot he conclusion that he has a hidden ability before I decide
You mean this:
On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road
This is version 2 of what he told us day one, and it's still pretty bad.
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On August 11 2010 00:59 chaoser wrote:
mm, are you sure it's bs? I want him to talk about it first/how he came tot he conclusion that he has a hidden ability before I decide
On August 11 2010 00:27 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 00:08 LSB wrote:On August 10 2010 23:22 chaoser wrote:
jesus, i'm gone for a night and shit goes down -_-. Why didn't people get off Pyrr when he claimed DT? I guess it was too late at that point? Ace, you got some explaining to do...what is this "hidden ability" stuff about? A bunch of BS that Ace made up. He didn't make it up, he logically deduced, based on the few penalties people posted so far, and without knowledge of the blue roles included in the game. I mean... the town was at -3 versus the "baseline" - what else could be going on besides hidden abilities??
Theirs quite a few completely wrong assumptions.
Firstly, lets go over his logic again. EVERYONE in the town has a penalty. Not just the 4 people he used his 'data' from. So in reality, it should be far below -3.
Okay, so lets pretend the town is really behind and we all have hidden roles. That doesn't sound like too much of a jump.
So how in the world does Ace know he's going to die if he misses scum? Ace just pulls a role out of a hat and pretends it fits. Who knows, maybe if Ace visits a scum, the scum dies? That would be another penalty
Faults with Aces logic
1) Assumption of population data with the penalties. But in reality, Ace just has a Green/Red Biased sample. Ace can't just say the score is -3:0 when 9 people haven't responded.
2) Assumption that there is 'nothing going for the town' and nothing wrong with the mafia
Ace said
At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor.
This is flat out wrong. In this game, there is 1) Lots of blue roles. 2) Changing of expectations. Mafia will find that their ability is hindered.
Ace can't assume their is hidden roles just because he QQs over the apparent imbalance in this game
3) Random role out of the hat.
Ace can't just pick a random role out of the hat and pray it's the same one Hesmyrr chose. It's akain to me saying "I feel if I die on night one, I have a hidden role called 'death-curse' that kills all mafia members".
Okay. Now I will show you why Ace is not town
Lets check out this topic of Aces How Ace Plays as sucm
On June 28 2010 13:33 Ace wrote:[*]The Art of Arguing: - What is logic?
- Letting logical fallacies go through and how they win you the game
- How to read arguments: Premises and conclusions, Deductive and Inductive arguments
- Misuse of terms
- Speaking for dead townies and why you should never do it
- Gut reads and why they are your worst enemy and best friend
- Convincing one player vs convincing the town
- How to pick arguments apart
- Answering questions - with a question
Note the things I've bolded. Ace has made many logical fallacies and still tries to pull it through. When questioned about these problems, he just asks his own questions in return, ignoring the severe flaws in his plan.
Conclusion: Ace is Scum
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Agreed.
Assuming ace is scum, the game will be 7-2 at day 3. Now i guess to utilize this role i have to survive to a point where town has an advantage. So if the game ever reaches a day phase where (Town# - 1) x 2 > (mafia# + 1) then I would claim myself something of a spokesperson for the town. If town disagrees at that point, i will treestump and organize the town properly. I am not asking for medic protection, but I am proposing myself as a target later if not now for mafia. That way a person with a better role can live. Hopefully mafia feels a little threatened.
BTW, lylo isnt in effect til day 5 if all lynches til then are town besides ace (disregarding vig and medic). And my plan wouldnt go into effect anyway until another red is killed, unless people would consider (T# - 1) x 2 = (M# + 1) a pro town situation.
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Well obviously I stopped counting at -3 because I don't know anyone else's penalties. But go ahead and try and to lynch me, because this will be very interesting.
All my logic adds up very nicely. None of you have been able to deduce any roles based on penalties and for some reason you keep skipping this point. Claim your penalties or find another way to win. It's really that simple.
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Hmm ace is your real penalty as mafia that you cant tell lies you know are lies? Hesmyrr's 'penalty warnings' lead me to believe there is 1 or more penalties like that.
Humor me, and say "I am not mafia"
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@Ace: Why do you not think you'll get lynched? I'm not saying I'm going to vote you, mind.
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Heh it just occured to me how easy it would be to make up a penalty and just throw in a role from the mafiawiki.
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♦ Day 2 Post
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In a room only illumiated by flashlight, the man schemed feverently devising plan of destruction. He was the leader- he would be the brains that will crush the ignorant and lead others to victory.
Several plans to grasp the situation in favour of his faction lay about in his table. All scenarios and development the man could think of. The way to counter them so when unexpected does occur he can reply with animal-like quickness, striking back at his enemies with venomous lethality. He once heard of the Chinese proverb "To draw a snake and add legs" which meant not to over do things so that plan risk collapsing into meaningless gibberish, but seriously, wasn't such so-called wise words just nugget for mere ordinary man?
No deliberating. Tonight he must continue on.
If my estimate is correct, someone to die tonight will be...
The smile on his face widens as he recalled what happened yesterday.
not me.
Pyrrhuloxia was unfortunate. But he had been bastion of suspiciousness, and factor he much would have liked to have purged while there were not enough material to incriminate anyone. Some might lament at death of their guardian, but they did not know that they probably saved themselves from damnation by doing so, since lynching him conversely meant that he himself was not lynched. And as long as he lived on, there was a way.
Despite of the town's situation worsening in what seemed like every hour, Ace kept on smiling. I like challenges.
His pride was not unjustified. Graduate of Havard Medical University, he held extreme intellect that allowed him to triumph in that grueling course of education. In fact only thing that bothered him was some of his colleagues judged him to be "socially inadequate". Socially inadequate? More like harping of jealous amateurs- why should I concern myself with those who are too stupid even to follow my chain of thought? Thus he took a break in Penaville, remote and far away from the metropolis of commoners so that he got some well-deserved privacy and quiet.
Sudden responsibility forced upon him was bonus. Three traitors lurking among us all, perfect exercise of mentality, dance between him and unknown band of criminals! Just wait and see, he was going to make his impact known in the town soon...
Despite deep in his thought, the man does not miss the faint sound that comes right behind him. And for the possibly first time since whole this debacle begin, Ace automatically turn his body around to look behind him without thinking at all.
Ace shoots straight up from his chair, his eyes brimming with anger. He screams in indignation.
"NO!!!!!!!!!!"
POP!
Small sound of wind occupies the room as the silenced pistol is fired, and Ace's head burst into pieces. The body fall against the table as the momentum of bullet pushes him backward, and unknown intruder clicks his tongue in annoyment. It really didn't matter, but it could have been done without tipping off the victim at all. Looks like I better improve my stealth skills.
Viscous red blood pours out of the hole once occupied by now non-existent head, creating a pool all over the table where all of Ace's plans once lay. White papers - thickly covered in small handwritings - becomes illegible and worthless as they slowly soak up the red liquid all around them...
Ace, Nytophobic Doctor, was shot.
Deadline ends at August 13 2010 08:46.
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FYI, Nytophobic is a fear of Darkness. Maybe Ace had to pick who to save during the day?
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On August 11 2010 08:49 LSB wrote:
FYI, Nytophobic is a fear of Darkness. Maybe Ace had to pick who to save during the day?
hmm that would make sense with the telegraphing thing then wouldnt it
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Okay, I don't understand why the mafia would want to kill Ace.
It seems more likely that Ace was killed by a Vigi, and then the Mafia's kill got blocked
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Cool so the doctor stabs the DT and then gets killed.
Does anyone think that he might have been Vigi shot? Seems like a plausible explanation to me although that leaves the question of where the mafia KP went unanswered.
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mm, i don't think so, seems like he died outright to mafia. Occam's razor ftw. Unless someone claims vigi/shot him.
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Saves us the trouble, guaranteed he was going to get lynched. I like the sound of mafia hitting a target, ace blocks it, and vig hits ace to save us a lynch.
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On August 11 2010 09:09 LSB wrote:
Okay, I don't understand why the mafia would want to kill Ace.
It seems more likely that Ace was killed by a Vigi, and then the Mafia's kill got blocked
Speculation like this makes me doubt you. Especially considering how you and Ace were arguing. Ace and I aren't bros, but we were working together this game to out scum. I would feel bad if I let his efforts be in vain. I'm going to place my vote on you for your scummy tell here. Doctor fishing is a JEEP tell.
Day 2+ mafia errors
* Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor".
##Vote LSB
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Maybe Mafia has to kill in alphabetical order
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On August 11 2010 09:17 bumatlarge wrote:Maybe Mafia has to kill in alphabetical order
I seriously hope not.
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oh are you fucking serious?
:/
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Well it's starting to make a little sense how this all came to be. Bill is Bill and does his Bill thing. Pyrr in all his DT glory goes ahead and makes a silly assumption about bill right off the bat. Bill being Bill, he agrees and essentially lies () Ace being Ace, instantly sees pyrrs little guess as a scum trick, and underestimates Bill's Billness, and shoots for pyrr as the head honcho of the operation. He only feels more convinced when Bill comes out of his charade. As a result, pyrr dies, which seems an unfortunate coincidence that he was a DT. And now Ace dieing, no matter how he died, is bad luck since he was medic. I think its safe to assume we have at most 2 more blues left, with very little chance either is a DT or medic.
Honestly, Bill deserves a policy lynch for what he has done.
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On August 11 2010 09:29 Ace wrote:
oh are you fucking serious?
:/
BTW, sorry for instigating ace, I was just trying to get you to kill me, instead.... sorry lol no hard feelings
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On August 11 2010 09:35 bumatlarge wrote:Well it's starting to make a little sense how this all came to be. Bill is Bill and does his Bill thing. Pyrr in all his DT glory goes ahead and makes a silly assumption about bill right off the bat. Bill being Bill, he agrees and essentially lies ( ) Ace being Ace, instantly sees pyrrs little guess as a scum trick, and underestimates Bill's Billness, and shoots for pyrr as the head honcho of the operation. He only feels more convinced when Bill comes out of his charade. As a result, pyrr dies, which seems an unfortunate coincidence that he was a DT. And now Ace dieing, no matter how he died, is bad luck since he was medic. I think its safe to assume we have at most 2 more blues left, with very little chance either is a DT or medic. Honestly, Bill deserves a policy lynch for what he has done.
policy lynching always seems to be what gets bm.
I'm kind of interested in the people who were going balls out at arguing against ace, because obviously if they knew he was going to die at night it would make them look pretty good.
Not that their arguments weren't justified, they certainly seemed very solid. It just makes it that much easier to come off clean.
Without a vigi claiming it would be silly to assume that's how ace died, because a vigi has little reason not to claim now after doing that. But someone like lsb assuming he did to possibly draw suspicion off him self for reasons stated above it quite interesting.
I'm curious if we had any other blue roles with powers like maybe a watcher or something that found anything out. But unless a vigi claims im very weary of at least one of the people pushing for ace to die.
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This makes no sense - ace was going to get lynched next anyway.
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I would say if vigi shot that they should tell everyone. It does seem strange that mafia would shoot Ace.
So penalties so far:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting (doctor)
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role dies
Pyrr: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Can't change action
I think Ace's plan was definitely kind of terrible. In that it pretty much singled him out in the group of people who claimed (other than Pyrr)...
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On August 11 2010 09:47 citi.zen wrote:
This makes no sense - ace was going to get lynched next anyway.
That's what I was thinking
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I claimed my penalty earlier. I have a limited number of votes.
Gotta re-read day 1 now that I know Ace and Pyrr are townies. As for BM now, I see two main options.
1: BM is scum and killed Ace because that's what he does.
2: BM is not scum and scum killed Ace expecting BM to be lynched next.
This is assuming there isn't a vig out there. If a vig claims to have hit Ace, that'll change everything.
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But they would have bought another day keeping ace alive. Is it safe to say mafia has some penalty that forced them to lynch ace? I really dont see any other reason for killing him.
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Mafia have no penalties. Read the OP.
Now, maybe someone has a power that forces them to do that, like their hit got deflected or something.
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On August 11 2010 10:54 Scamp wrote:
Mafia have no penalties. Read the OP.
Now, maybe someone has a power that forces them to do that, like their hit got deflected or something.
It's pretty fucked up that that might make the most sense if we didnt have a vigi shot
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Oh yeah hey, its like pseudo vigi/medic. Thats really strong, but im guessing it can only be used once?
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let's keep doing the penalty listings, while people can draw conjecture from the penalties about what color we are green/blue, they can't pinpoint our roles and we might as well to get all info out there. My penalty, If I vote majority (as in if I vote for the person being lynched), I can't vote (gotta abstain) the next day.
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also, it's weird that BM's thing is that if he dies, a certain type of power role loses it's power and yet mafia didn't hit him, that's like killing two birds with one stone.
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On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road
What I also don't get is this: why hasn't Ace visited someone last night? He said he'd have to telegraph us the action, but he hasn't done so. His statement above implied he can check multiple people, why skip last night? He mentioned nothing about a penalty that he has to wait until night 2.
Also, his role role was "Nyctophobic Doctor" - any insight into what that means? Usually afraid of the dark, but in this context? It sucks that even after people dies we have no idea what their roles or penalties were.
I have no idea why he'd be have such a role and play the way he did.
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Yeah, seems weird that mafia didn't kill BM...
I think from the list of penalties though it's very easy to point out green vs. blue roles. I don't know if it's such a great idea for us to keep revealing roles.. Mafia can easily pick blueish or greenish sounding things to claim.
Yeah, Pyrr and Ace were kind of confusing...
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Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.
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On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.
The thought did cross my mind. He certainly isn't trying to help the town either.
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well
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.
so i guess BM doesn't have to make shit up
##vote Bill Murray anyway
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Oh thats what safe penalty claims mean :X thought mafia had some small penalty that was considered "safe"
##Vote Bill Murray
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On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.
well the enabler is a real thing in the parts of mafia land. But why on earth would you publicly admit that was your role is beyond me.
Unless he's lying, which it wouldnt be the first time for bm.
So he's either lying about his role, and he's town
Or he's lying about his role and he's mafia
either way he's lying...unless somehow ace protected him last night and ended up dying from it? But that doesnt make any sense from an enabler, or i can hardly see ace wanting to protect bm based on what happened yesterday so wtf
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ok, you all want a real claim? i'm the vigilante.
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i can only vig someone who was on the lynch wagon in the previous day
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On August 11 2010 13:50 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming. well the enabler is a real thing in the parts of mafia land. But why on earth would you publicly admit that was your role is beyond me. Unless he's lying, which it wouldnt be the first time for bm. So he's either lying about his role, and he's town Or he's lying about his role and he's mafia either way he's lying...unless somehow ace protected him last night and ended up dying from it? But that doesnt make any sense from an enabler, or i can hardly see ace wanting to protect bm based on what happened yesterday so wtf
Ace said he'd have to telegraph us the action.
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OK... not talking will get us stuck. It's now 8v3, with a dead detective and medic. We need some activity here...
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On August 11 2010 23:22 citi.zen wrote:
OK... not talking will get us stuck. It's now 8v3, with a dead detective and medic. We need some activity here...
Maybe proding the lurkers? Because really, all our plans are now killed.
I'm even wondering if lynching BM is such a good idea anymore.
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Can Hesmyrr provide a list of the 4 people who were on the lynch wagon yesterday?
I'm assuming since BM claimed he's pretty much getting shot tonight. So we should vote for what target he'll be vigi-ing? If he doesn't get shot we'll have a pretty confirmed townie if someone else also dies at night (presumably to mafia).
I also read through the last couple posts that Ace made, doesn't seem to be anything anywhere that suggests that he claimed to us who he protected. And he even mentioned like oh hey I'm going to tell you guys who I'm going to visit because I think I'm going to die if I visit scum.
Oh also, citi.zen, why do you think I'm red? xD
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Oh, here's an alternative suggestion.
Let's claim adjectives. As in like, Pyrr was Cautious, and Ace was Nytophobic. Gives away less information (for mafia to snipe blues) and we might be able to force mafia out this way, since Hesmyrr probably only gave them safe things to claim but not adjectives to go with it! And I'm assuming Hesmyrr probably wouldn't use the same adjective twice. And if he does then the abilities would be the same and the two people could confirm each other (but like I really don't think he'd use the same adjective twice).
Ohhh, this might work. =D
Adjective Claims:
Ace: Nytophobic
Pyrr: Cautious
Korynne: Dogmatic
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well if BM is indeed the vig i seriously doubt we'd have many blues left if any at all
my adjective is Pitiful
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My adjective used to be Ambitious, but now it is Vanilla
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On August 11 2010 23:28 Korynne wrote:
Can Hesmyrr provide a list of the 4 people who were on the lynch wagon yesterday?
I'm assuming since BM claimed he's pretty much getting shot tonight. So we should vote for what target he'll be vigi-ing? If he doesn't get shot we'll have a pretty confirmed townie if someone else also dies at night (presumably to mafia).
I also read through the last couple posts that Ace made, doesn't seem to be anything anywhere that suggests that he claimed to us who he protected. And he even mentioned like oh hey I'm going to tell you guys who I'm going to visit because I think I'm going to die if I visit scum.
Oh also, citi.zen, why do you think I'm red? xD
It was your post where you thought Ace was acting "normal" and Pyrr was fishy. I've not seen Ace ask for a mass claim before with such a bad plan before and then defend it as badly as he did. Pyrr's ongoing criticism of it made sense to me, so your read of their respective positions is tough to get. Of course, it turns out that was the DT fighting wighting with the medic. It would be hilarious if BM really is the vigi who to get the medic lynched on day one.
Bill's is an interesting claim. I am guessing there has to be a vigi in the game (or two?). If there is no counter-claim I say let's not lynch BM today. His penalty, if true, is interesting as well for today's vote.
Also worth wondering when it starts to make sense to just claim and state our penalties publicly, now that more and more important blue roles are already dead.
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My adjective is "suicidal". Still wondering about a fuller claim.
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My adjective is "selfish" which matches my real life persona.
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Adjective Claims:
Ace: Nytophobic
Pyrr: Cautious
Korynne: Dogmatic
zeks: Pitiful
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla
citi.zen: Suicidal
Yeah I'm not sure about the whole claiming thing, because from the claims so far I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of who is vanilla and not, and if I was mafia I could easily from that information make up quite reasonable sounding penalties.
[Side Note]
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
Can you ask Hesmyrr if this will be displayed on page 1? As in like "NUMBER OF MAFIA-ALIGNED PLAYERS" +1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Can you ask Hesmyrr if the randomly selected person will be publicly announced?
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Adjective Claims:
Ace: Nytophobic
Pyrr: Cautious
Korynne: Dogmatic
zeks: Pitiful
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating
Bill Murray:
Divinek:
Jayme:
chaoser:
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On August 12 2010 00:43 Korynne wrote:
Adjective Claims:
Ace: Nytophobic
Pyrr: Cautious
Korynne: Dogmatic
zeks: Pitiful
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating
Bill Murray:
Divinek:
Jayme:
chaoser:
I have a thought here. I'm noticing that LSB, citi.zen, and youngminii have all claimed an adjective but didn't claim their penalties.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
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On August 12 2010 00:54 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 00:43 Korynne wrote:
Adjective Claims:
Ace: Nytophobic
Pyrr: Cautious
Korynne: Dogmatic
zeks: Pitiful
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating
Bill Murray:
Divinek:
Jayme:
chaoser: I have a thought here. I'm noticing that LSB, citi.zen, and youngminii have all claimed an adjective but didn't claim their penalties. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
You are correct.
I am not sure it's best to expose the rest of the blues yet. I am open to it though, at this rate we have a dead dt + medic and a public vigi claim, so it may not matter.
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On August 11 2010 23:28 Korynne wrote:
Can Hesmyrr provide a list of the 4 people who were on the lynch wagon yesterday?
I'm assuming since BM claimed he's pretty much getting shot tonight. So we should vote for what target he'll be vigi-ing? If he doesn't get shot we'll have a pretty confirmed townie if someone else also dies at night (presumably to mafia).
I also read through the last couple posts that Ace made, doesn't seem to be anything anywhere that suggests that he claimed to us who he protected. And he even mentioned like oh hey I'm going to tell you guys who I'm going to visit because I think I'm going to die if I visit scum.
Oh also, citi.zen, why do you think I'm red? xD
The previous voting list can be seen at the night post.
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Oops, thanks Hesmyrr.
In that case it looks like BM will have to off Divinek or bumatlarge tonight if he decides to use his ability. In this case I'd like to see at least an adjective claim from Divinek, though I suspect he's probably off birthday celebrating...
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Ok took a gander at that and thought.
If BM is red, I think we can justify the other 2 reds will be in the Pyrr/Ace/abstain pile.
myself, divine, chaoser, citizen, scamp and jayme.
Korynne and young id think would be unlikely. Mafia getting warned is a little whacko, and very abusing of hesmyrr's leniancy on them. (not that korynne could help it)
Voting BM is a little gutsy for mafia especially on the first day when its so close, youd have 3 choices of ace pyrr and abstain, which were all safe bets at the time.
Ive already roleclaimed, penalty claimed first. If anyone feels that I am scum, feel free to point out why.
Havent read to much into divine, but as I recall he has been his slightly aggressive self, and ive never seen him play red.
chaoser is inactive as balls, very likely he is red along with scamp, who has been putting more ideas out there reclusivley.
Citizen very well could be red, but I would find it unlikely he would support BM doind what he did. Which is why he would try to get rid of ace if he could and play it off like we all were going to kill him anyway. Jayme would be the cohort here, takin advice from citi.
So personnally think
if BM then Citi/Jayme or maybe scamp instead.
if hes green then im done -_-
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On August 12 2010 02:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok took a gander at that and thought.
If BM is red, I think we can justify the other 2 reds will be in the Pyrr/Ace/abstain pile.
myself, divine, chaoser, citizen, scamp and jayme.
Korynne and young id think would be unlikely. Mafia getting warned is a little whacko, and very abusing of hesmyrr's leniancy on them. (not that korynne could help it)
Voting BM is a little gutsy for mafia especially on the first day when its so close, youd have 3 choices of ace pyrr and abstain, which were all safe bets at the time.
Ive already roleclaimed, penalty claimed first. If anyone feels that I am scum, feel free to point out why.
Havent read to much into divine, but as I recall he has been his slightly aggressive self, and ive never seen him play red.
chaoser is inactive as balls, very likely he is red along with scamp, who has been putting more ideas out there reclusivley.
Citizen very well could be red, but I would find it unlikely he would support BM doind what he did. Which is why he would try to get rid of ace if he could and play it off like we all were going to kill him anyway. Jayme would be the cohort here, takin advice from citi.
So personnally think
if BM then Citi/Jayme or maybe scamp instead.
if hes green then im done -_-
What is so "Equivocating" about your role?
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On August 12 2010 02:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok took a gander at that and thought.
If BM is red, I think we can justify the other 2 reds will be in the Pyrr/Ace/abstain pile.
myself, divine, chaoser, citizen, scamp and jayme.
Korynne and young id think would be unlikely. Mafia getting warned is a little whacko, and very abusing of hesmyrr's leniancy on them. (not that korynne could help it)
Voting BM is a little gutsy for mafia especially on the first day when its so close, youd have 3 choices of ace pyrr and abstain, which were all safe bets at the time.
Ive already roleclaimed, penalty claimed first. If anyone feels that I am scum, feel free to point out why.
Havent read to much into divine, but as I recall he has been his slightly aggressive self, and ive never seen him play red.
chaoser is inactive as balls, very likely he is red along with scamp, who has been putting more ideas out there reclusivley.
Citizen very well could be red, but I would find it unlikely he would support BM doind what he did. Which is why he would try to get rid of ace if he could and play it off like we all were going to kill him anyway. Jayme would be the cohort here, takin advice from citi.
So personnally think
if BM then Citi/Jayme or maybe scamp instead.
if hes green then im done -_-
Eh I was one of those that completely encouraged BM to get killed on day1 because of the way he seems to train wreck an entire thread with only a few comments.
Id have stuck with BM day 1 if there had actually been a chance to kill him. With Amber holding his vote to swing another direction though I just figured it would be safer to abstain. That said my adjective is GOTH.
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Equivocating is a misleading ambiguous thing. Youd have to ask hesmyr exactly how im equivocating, but I guess its because when I equivocate I add to the mafia numbers and subtract from town, while confirning myself as town. I do believe I was one of the first to say what I was, dont know when zeks said his penalty or role.
You think I made up my role? If another person had a treestump-ish role, im sure they would point it out, as they have nothing to lose if they werent important otherwise. And even if everyone voted for me, I wouldnt treestump anyway. I have absolutely no threatening penalty like zeks or BM as long as I dont use it.
In fact, BMs penalty is sounding really threatening right now. Hell id make a penalty up like that if I were scum.
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quit trying to get a mislynch on me bum scum
On August 12 2010 00:43 Korynne wrote:
Adjective Claims:
Ace: Nytophobic
Pyrr: Cautious
Korynne: Dogmatic
zeks: Pitiful
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating
Bill Murray:
Divinek:
Jayme:
chaoser:
wrathful
On August 12 2010 01:51 Korynne wrote:
Oops, thanks Hesmyrr.
In that case it looks like BM will have to off Divinek or bumatlarge tonight if he decides to use his ability. In this case I'd like to see at least an adjective claim from Divinek, though I suspect he's probably off birthday celebrating...
I'll do what the consensus of the town is. LSB, scamp, and bumatlarge are my top 3 suspects.
If noone says anything about it, I'm going to hit LSB, as I found the argument between him and ace to now be townie on townie.
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Bum would you rather I not put out ideas? Also I don't know what you mean by 'reclusivley".
My point is that I find it odd that some people would participate in naming their adjective while refusing to claim their penalty. While you can't pinpoint the penalty through the adjective, they are obviously related in every case, somewhat similar to how roles are related to the penalty.
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Also ##Vote: Abstain for now.
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On August 12 2010 05:39 Bill Murray wrote:
If noone says anything about it, I'm going to hit LSB, as I found the argument between him and ace to now be townie on townie.
Ace who took us all by surprise when he flipped town. Maybe not you
What I don't get is why you're so bloodthirsty. It's the second day in the row where you are the first to vote for lynch.
I'm trying to see your motives, first day you send the town into disarray and jump onto the bandwagon on our DT.
Second day your attacking me, cause I was trying to get rid of the most likely mafia member at the moment.
I'll spend some time reviewing your posts.
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I dont go around building confusion on the first day in a meager attempt to kill someone i dont like, and in the process screw the town over. Its like a trash can, the smell is at the bottom of the can, but we all obsess over whats lying on top. You're the stinky fish under all this stuff bill, not me or LSB.
On August 12 2010 05:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I'll do what the consensus of the town is. LSB, scamp, and bumatlarge are my top 3 suspects.
If noone says anything about it, I'm going to hit LSB, as I found the argument between him and ace to now be townie on townie.
Can you clarify that last sentence? I think you mixed it up a bit and meant mafia on townie. And do you still have a hit? I thought you were implying you hit Ace. Guess not. Got pretty nice protection there, that if you get lynched it takes out a blue role.
Look at it from a third party perspective BM.
1. a. Bum is scum, lynch him based on? (I could have kept my mouth shut here mind you)
b. If towny, lose another day to mis-lynch.
2. a. BM is scum, veritable proof of confusing town. And thats all I have, you voted for pyrr to save yourself, I respect that.
b. If vig, we lose a blue and probably our last one. Also if there is a last blue, he loses his power. Lose another day to mis-lynch.
If I am red, I am relying on people seeing this standpoint, and I would have had to make everything up from the beginning of the game. I came out talking like this for no reason whatsoever. A convoluted WIFOM that gives me the short end of the stick.
I apologize Scamp, I forgot your penalty, so I labeled you as reclusive based off your abstain, since you were posting alot.
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I don't really care what you spend time reviewing. If you fabricate a connection, I know it will slide off of me because it isn't there. You may be able to convince some newer players, but people who know how I play will realize that I am acting as I would a blue.
If we mislynch today we will be at 7 vs 3
then night hit 6v3 and if i miss my vig 5v3 which is pretty much lylo. looking at this, unless we lynch mafia today or if i vig. If I'm right on our mafia candidate today, and LSB flips red, we could be at 7v2 which is f11 which I excel at. That, and if I act correctly tonight, we can be in great shape. Today is the most important day of the game. If you all don't believe me as a town, we are going to lose.
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On August 12 2010 01:51 Korynne wrote:
Oops, thanks Hesmyrr.
In that case it looks like BM will have to off Divinek or bumatlarge tonight if he decides to use his ability. In this case I'd like to see at least an adjective claim from Divinek, though I suspect he's probably off birthday celebrating...
fuck yeah i am!
so ill be on in spurts tonight cause my bday!
anyways my adjective is Unwary, and ive mentioned my penalty before, but i cant get specific cause that'd out my role
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i'm really wanting to hear more from korynne
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anyone home?
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Dude I was away, chillax man. Just got home.
What do you want to hear from me? xP
So you have to shoot people on the winning wagon today? Well I guess that means we should wait until after lynch to decide who you should vigi.
Hmmm... So I'm suspicious of BM, but like, if you vigi tonight you're either dead by mafia or confirmed, so nevermind that.
Don't vote for BM guys.
I suspect BM too, but like I said, he can do the whole vigi thing and what not and if it doesn't happen then we'll lynch him the next day (since today isn't LYLO/MYLO).
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I am Obvious. I'm starting to think that there is no townie role, everyone is just blue. Think about the penalties so far, Ace could only do an action if he tells it ahead of time, meaning everyone will know/suspect he's blue. And Pyrr's is that he had to wait till Night 2. Those are some crazy penalties. Unless we're all blue.
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Um okkkkk guess im gonna state the obvious here chaoser. You are either blue or red, because my pm was in green. bolded green. I may have treestump, but pretty sure thats a neutral town, not blue.
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I'll update Korynne's posts for reference
Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Role
Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting.
Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions.
zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla: (partial penalty claim) After an event, his role changed
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies.
Divinek: Unwary
Jayme: Goth
chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.
Okay, I don't get Chaoser's penalty connection with his adjective.
@Bill Murry. Okay, I can confirm that there are NO more DTs. I don't know if it will help you
On August 12 2010 10:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh, how exactly did LSB go from Ambitious to vanilla?
Lets just say after a certain event my abilities were diminished.
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Oh, how exactly did LSB go from Ambitious to vanilla?
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Thanks LSB. Wanna update the penalty/roleclaim list as well while you're at it? xP
Right now based on adjectives:
Scamp's word, lazy, seems rather, boring compared to the others. However if I was mafia I would be rather scared to claim something like that in case someone else has it.
Jayme's word sounds out of place, I would like at least a partial role claim to explain that.
chaoser's word obvious also sounds rather silly, and he was the last to claim.
So that's...3 people. xD
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##vote: chaoser
Reasons:
#1 Last to claim
#2 Fishing for someone to say oh hey, yeah it could be that we're all blue or someone to go no wai I'm green
#3 The word obvious seems silly... unless you can prove your role by like, obviously doing something and confirming yourself as town?
Anyway don't try to convince me not to vote for you, I can't change my votes. xD
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Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.
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In that case.
##Vote Bill Murray
Lynch All Liars.
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On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.
Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap?
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On August 12 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
In that case.
##Vote Bill Murray
Lynch All Liars.
I see no reason. If there is another "real" vigi they can take him out tomorrow night.
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OOPS I pressed edit instead of quote @ hesmyrr, can you revert back my previous post?
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I'll update Korynne's posts for reference
Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Role
Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting.
Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions.
zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla: (partial penalty claim) After an event, his role changed
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies.
Divinek: Unwary
Jayme: Goth
chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.
Okay, I don't get Chaoser's penalty connection with his adjective.
@Bill Murry. Okay, I can confirm that there are NO more DTs. I don't know if it will help you
On August 12 2010 10:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh, how exactly did LSB go from Ambitious to vanilla?
Lets just say after a certain event my abilities were diminished.
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I did put some counter-measures to improve success of town when I changed the setup from 17 player to 13 player, yes, so at the START of the game I believe setup to be not too imbalanced. WIll reveal my thought process post-game.
tl;dr -> My setup was designed to make scum analysis solely based on via claims crap (special rule 3). I felt this interruption was necessary because it seemed my initial message wasn't clear enough for anyone.
[examples]
* LSB is mafia because "obvious" seem too obvious. (meaningless)
* LSB is town because his claim seems too risky. (meaningless)
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On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him. Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap?
Wait... BM has 2 penalties?
o.o
BTW, we don't have a DT any more.
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On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him. Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap? Wait... BM has 2 penalties? o.o BTW, we don't have a DT any more.
Good question about BM!
How do you know about DTs?
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On August 12 2010 11:03 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him. Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap? Wait... BM has 2 penalties? o.o BTW, we don't have a DT any more. Good question about BM! How do you know about DTs?
My role had changes when all the DTs in the town were killed
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On August 12 2010 11:05 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 11:03 citi.zen wrote:On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him. Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap? Wait... BM has 2 penalties? o.o BTW, we don't have a DT any more. Good question about BM! How do you know about DTs? My role had changes when all the DTs in the town were killed
Very risky claim for a mafia to make, so this brings you very close to confirmation in my eyes.
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On August 12 2010 11:01 Hesmyrr wrote:
I did put some counter-measures to improve success of town when I changed the setup from 17 player to 13 player, yes, so at the START of the game I believe setup to be not too imbalanced. WIll reveal my thought process post-game.
tl;dr -> My setup was designed to make scum analysis solely based on via claims crap (special rule 3). I felt this interruption was necessary because it seemed my initial message wasn't clear enough for anyone.
[examples]
* LSB is mafia because "obvious" seem too obvious. (meaningless)
* LSB is town because his claim seems too risky. (meaningless)
A few things to note: Mafia has incentive to make claims, claims make them look good, and it's not like it's bad for them.
Mafia knows that mass claiming is detrimental (this is because Hesmyrr probably sent them a second part of a PM giving them fake claims).
This means that: Mafia knows they can get away with fake penalties
Lastly, Hesmyrr expects there to be some way we utilize our roles without mass claims.
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Oh damn thats what safe claim mean lol...
At first I thought they were watered down penalties to not screw them over or something. Now my whole argument for myself is alot weaker
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Whoever makes the next list please add that I have a limited number of votes.
This is the third time that I've had to say it.
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Here's an idea, update the list yourself. xP
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I could do that, but it would just be me copy/pasting LSB's list with "has a limited number of votes" by my name.
But I also think it's a good idea to stray away from the list altogether as someone is making it quite clear that nothing solid is going to be gained from it.
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so basically claiming meant nothing...so we're back to no info again. Are we only suppose to play this game via reading scumtells and then using powers to catch them in the act or what? In either case, BM's whole charade with saying he couldn't talk and then letting Pyrr and Ace fight it out seemed VERYY scummy. And now he says he killed Ace which is weird cause that means mafia either didn't hit, or it got blocked, possibly by Ace though that seems off, I'd rather believe Occam's razor that the mafia just hit Ace and BM is lying out his ass.
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ok so i am extremely inebriated, but i wont be on until just after dead line, or maybe just before if i drive fast cause of work so this will be my vote/justification until then
lets look at young's amazing contribution to the game thus far woooooooooooooooooooo
On August 10 2010 02:47 youngminii wrote:
LOL OKAY I TOTALLY DID NOT KNOW THIS GAME STARTED
WILL START READING LOL
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On August 11 2010 09:11 youngminii wrote:
Cool so the doctor stabs the DT and then gets killed.
Does anyone think that he might have been Vigi shot? Seems like a plausible explanation to me although that leaves the question of where the mafia KP went unanswered.
states what happened, asks a question, answers question. HI-larious
On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.
enablers exist in mafia, and they seem somewhat reasonable in this set up as long as you dont publicly admit you are an enabler as such, because how else would anyone ever know. I dont see how it fucks with the balance anymore than something like a tree stump.
It does seem like kind of a weird thing to go with a vigi, but not unreasonable? I dunno i think he might be lying bout vigi tos ave his own ass
WAIT, im digressing! This post REEKS of confusion. Just asks 2 questions, without really putting anything forward, typical fanning flames play. Typical mafia not wanting to put anything forward but suspicion on someone else
On August 11 2010 23:54 youngminii wrote:
My adjective is "selfish" which matches my real life persona.
well that is what it is, could have gotten that from his mafia pm or something
On August 12 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
In that case.
##Vote Bill Murray
Lynch All Liars.
policy lynch wooooooooooooo, nothing to tie him to the person if that person should flip anything but red. It has also been justified that lynching bm is stupid because he'll die to delicious JUSTICE if he is lying about his role, and if he's not we need to let him live to use it
SHIZA, so to sumarrize this, that doesnt look right, summarize
YOUNGMINII hasnt contributed ANYTHING since the game started so that scum fuck is getting my vote because that's the best case i can come up with, im pretty sure this would be my vote even if i was not under the influence of substances
so my fellow citizens, and even my fellow citi.zens. I URGE you to consider the case I have presented you, if you believe play like this doesnt deserve a lynch, or at least intense scrutiny, then what the fuck is wrong with you.
cheers
##vote youngminii i hope i spelled his name right because i ilke spelling names right, but im sure our host will know good night gahh
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I congratulate you for managing to finish that post. Now if you are done let's move on to the real shit.
Ya I'm policy lynching, dumb first claim plus dumb lie, untownlike.
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omg you guys are idiots
if you all mislynch me you all are seriously hurting
it will be at 5v3 tomorrow................
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Guys don't lynch BM, let him confirm tonight. If fails, will lynch tomorrow.
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who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight?
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Uh guys, switch your votes off of BM, or coordinate to vote for someone else (I can't, I can't vote switch). We can try to confirm BM by vigi hit.
BM, discuss that later, after a) you're alive and b) we know who's on the lynch wagon and c) we actually have a proper target for lynching today.
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if youre town, do not wagon, or i cannot vig mafia basically
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Note that if BM is lying and there is another vig out there, they can just take out BM at night. If this does not happen he will be confirmed anyway.
I actually think Divinek is right, youngminii hasn't even tried to offer anything this game.
##Vote youngminii
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On August 12 2010 12:05 Scamp wrote:
Whoever makes the next list please add that I have a limited number of votes.
This is the third time that I've had to say it.
Whoops sorry, I thought you were korynne (The hydras threw me off)
I added Divinek.
Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim.
Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting.
Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions.
zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla: (partial penalty claim) After an event, his role changed
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes
bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies.
Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night
Jayme: Goth
chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.
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LSB, you should vote for youngminii unless you have great reason not to, we want to make sure BM isn't lynched so he can have the chance to vigi someone if he is not mafia.
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On August 12 2010 23:09 Korynne wrote:
LSB, you should vote for youngminii unless you have great reason not to, we want to make sure BM isn't lynched so he can have the chance to vigi someone if he is not mafia.
The question is who BM will hit.
He's already stated he's going to hit me.
Although I can see why youngminii can be a threat, a plan for today would be a vote for No Lynch, and have BM kill youngminii
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He can't hit youngminii unless youngminii gets on the bandwagon.
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youngminii is on the bandwagon right now
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On August 12 2010 23:39 LSB wrote:
youngminii is on the bandwagon right now
LOL, yeah, on the BM bandwagon. Bit of a pickle, eh?
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Can we vote for no lynch? I'm totally down for that (minus the fact I can't change my vote to reflect that).
We're voting to lynch youngminii (or alternatively for no lynch), he doesn't need to be on the bandwagon for us to lynch him...
We can decide afterwards in the no lynch group or in the youngminii group, whichever one is the bandwagon of the day, who we want BM to vigi.
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Well alright, but if anything goes whack tomorrow, Im pointing at the BM defenders. As long as BM hits who he says he will hit. Also if there is another vigi, do you think they should come forward? Im fairly certain we should have 1 kp, but two kp is alot in a 13 person game when medic and dt have already died.
##unvote
##vote abstain
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Does "abstain" count as a bandwagon?
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##unvote
##abstain
I'm never for a "no lynch" just cause I'd rather something happen than not
I will place a vote on someone before tonights lynch.
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Interesting.
I didn't know "abstain" and "no lynch" were the same thing.
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Screw it, this is dumb.
Unvote
##Vote youngminii
Better to take a shot at a suspicious person than not.
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i need to ask the mod if no lynch wins if that is considered a "bandwagon"
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Abstain/No lynch is considered to be bandwagon, but if there is tie between no lynch and player bandwagon the player bandwagon will be prioritized no matter what.
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unvote
vote: youngminii
A lynch is better than a no lynch from a town perspective. Why should we skimp on using our kp?
We don't happen to have any roles like trackers/watchers do we? We could use these to confirm me.
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scum will likely try to just stay on a wagon under no lynch if we no lynch
they might be apt to change their vote to someone who doesnt have a vote on them at the last minute. we can use the information we get today to make an informed decision based on who was trying to stay away from scrutiny of the town.
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##unvote
##Vote Chaoser
The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me
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On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser
The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me
Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game.
Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting.
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What's the exact time that the day ends? I may need to use one of my votes.
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Hesmyrr makes his posts on 08:46. That would be in less than 10 minutes I believe
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On August 13 2010 08:22 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser
The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game. Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting.
hi just got back from work before the deadline :D crazy driving yay
also he's not going to get mod killed
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
from the vote totals on page 1, and those are quite up to date.
And uh i like my vote where it is based on the few things that have been said. No lynch would be silly.
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On August 13 2010 08:36 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 08:22 LSB wrote:On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser
The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game. Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting. hi just got back from work before the deadline :D crazy driving yay also he's not going to get mod killed Bill Murray (1) youngminii from the vote totals on page 1, and those are quite up to date. And uh i like my vote where it is based on the few things that have been said. No lynch would be silly.
I'd give Youngminii the benefit of the doubt because he said he could not be as active.
The 'perfect plan' would be for BM to kill Youngminii tonight, but obviously it won't be happening.
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##unvote
##Vote: Youngminii
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How about a little game of chicken. I believe citi.zen, bill murray and LSB are mafia. Korynne is very insistent on giving bill a chance with his vig shot, even though lylo isnt til day 4.
+ Show Spoiler +Day1 = 9T/3M
Night 1 = 8T/3M
Day 2 = 7T/3M
Night 2 = 6T/3M
Day 3 = 5T/3M
Night 4 = 4T/3M
Day 4 is lylo, and it is day 2 right now, we do not NEED a vig to win the game. Especially if hes very likely red.
Citizen is pretty hard to read, and I admit im not the greatest speculator, but Im sure on this one. Beginning of game, bill vote's ace, because he said he would. Pyrr/Ace situation happens. Citizen votes for BM first thinking hes a lost cause and he might as well build as much cred as he can, because you simply dont outright lie about your role and penalty with 0 confirmation of the person you are accusing, and then pyrr would be the next in line according to ace. Luckily ace looks into it too deeply and accuses pyrr, leading to that whole debacle. After pyrr claimed DT It was between pyrr and bill. I regret voting for pyr, but i noticed something funky. Look at citizen's voting on day 1. At one point he keeps it on BM for a very very long time. Then at the last half-hour he takes his vote off BM and goes to Ace. He saved BM at the last possible moment, and no one even noticed. He apologizes for it an hour later saying he didnt notice the numbers,Thats really all I had for him. Then I read this again.
On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road
Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB. He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_-
I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed.
Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me.
I dare you.
I'll be happy to answer any questions.
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Mafia tryin to figure out what to do. Have to apologize to ace later, because I am retarded.
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Alright, alright, you guys are a little shy, so I'll help you out.
##Vote bumatlarge
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##unvote
##vote BM
shit fuck let my vote go innnn
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On August 13 2010 09:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB.
By understand, you mean call out his BS, sure. I don't get why you are suddenly accepting Ace logic. Please explain.
It's strange how you suddenly think that Ace was acting in the interest of the town.
Is it just me, do did you say that Aces idea was correct?
I have a detailed post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137823¤tpage=22#439 Before you go a step in the direction of Aces logic, please answer the faults
Dead men do tell lies
He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_-
Ace was unoriginal, I called him scum first, and he just stole it from me. I actually take pride in the fact that Ace called me scum. He called two people in the game scum. Me and Pyrr
Let's look at the world your proposing. Your proposing that Ace, protecting me, got killed because I was 'scum'. Big problem.
Okay, you missed some key points. Who did the Mafia kill? No one has claimed a vigi hit, and the doctor was protecting me.
As unbelievable as it seems, I believe the Mafia killed Ace, hoping to send the town into disarray.
I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed.
Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me.
I dare you.
I'll be happy to answer any questions.
Don't kill yourself, I know your town.
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The votes were locked and all votes made after the deadline will be discounted. Writing night post soon.
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On August 13 2010 09:38 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 09:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB. By understand, you mean call out his BS, sure. I don't get why you are suddenly accepting Ace logic. Please explain.
He died. I dont care about the logic part, I care that he knew his role would get him killed that night if he visited scum.
It's strange how you suddenly think that Ace was acting in the interest of the town.
Is it just me, do did you say that Aces idea was correct?
You did this before. Completely ignored his claim and focused on his line of reasoning. He said he confirmed something about his role, and it happened. Im not saying I agree with his logic about penalties. Im saying he was right about something with his plan, since he did indeed die at night.
I have a detailed post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137823¤tpage=22#439 Before you go a step in the direction of Aces logic, please answer the faults Dead men do tell lies Show nested quote +He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_- Ace was unoriginal, I called him scum first, and he just stole it from me. I actually take pride in the fact that Ace called me scum. He called two people in the game scum. Me and Pyrr Let's look at the world your proposing. Your proposing that Ace, protecting me, got killed because I was 'scum'. Big problem. Okay, you missed some key points. Who did the Mafia kill? No one has claimed a vigi hit, and the doctor was protecting me. As unbelievable as it seems, I believe the Mafia killed Ace, hoping to send the town into disarray.
Well then you need to clarify on people, do you think citizen and BM are mafia? I only choose you because of Ace took his visit to the grave. There could still be a vet, but I guess they would have claimed immediately, unless there role prevents them. Jayme for instance seems a like that with Goth, but not sure why he would get hit. We only have a slice of the penalty pie.
I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed.
Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me.
I dare you.
I'll be happy to answer any questions.
Don't kill yourself, I know your town.[/QUOTE]
Im not killing myself, I'm becoming one with the penalty game. Hummmmmmm
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Oh its night, lol.... i thought it said the 13th?
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On August 13 2010 10:00 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh its night, lol.... i thought it said the 13th?
Now I feel silly, keep forgetting its KST, which is exactly 12 hours ahead of EST :X
wow what will happen...
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[QUOTE]On August 13 2010 09:59 bumatlarge wrote:
He died. I dont care about the logic part, I care that he knew his role would get him killed that night if he visited scum.[quote]
He also 'knew' his plan would work and help the town.
You cannot ignore what is true and what is false
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You did this before. Completely ignored his claim and focused on his line of reasoning. He said he confirmed something about his role, and it happened. Im not saying I agree with his logic about penalties. Im saying he was right about something with his plan, since he did indeed die at night.
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I'm sorry, but how else am I suppose to respond.
"OMG IZ SO ANGRY!"
There are two ways to respond. Calmly and focusing and the argument presented. And Completely ignoring the argument and saying "I don't care about logic".
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Well then you need to clarify on people, do you think citizen and BM are mafia? I only choose you because of Ace took his visit to the grave. There could still be a vet, but I guess they would have claimed immediately, unless there role prevents them. Jayme for instance seems a like that with Goth, but not sure why he would get hit. We only have a slice of the penalty pie.[/quote]
I was so sure BM was mafia Day one, but after Ace fliped blue, I realized I needed to take time to think things through.
As for Citi.zen, I did not notice what you pointed out.
I can understand citi.zen's point of view, at times during day 1 I was tempted to switch my vote to Ace. But at the same time, it does pose interesting questions.
From what I gathered, Citi.zen has been asking questions and probing everyone. I don't know what that means, maybe I should look at some of his old games
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By "not caring about logic" I meant the penalty assumptions logic. Ace said he knew he would die regardless, but i didnt register the mafia hitting ace based on his plan, because he had never outright claimed who he was hitting.
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♦ Night 2 Post
[Final Vote Count]
+ Show Spoiler +youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme
24hr day extension (put in effect immediately when reached) (0/4): none.
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Although appalled by act of uncontrolled violence that had taken place yesterday, shaken group of eleven navigate themselves toward the hall of murder automatically, equally terrified by the recent developments in the town. Two of the professionals in the town were dead- who was going to be next?
The following debate is sordid affair. Although many individuals peep up to offer their insight on the matter, the town is split between two camps which differ in degree of the actions they need to do for survival. One side are champion of morality, and wishes to prevent exactly the kind of uncontrolled attack that took yesterday. Other side screams that they are idealists that do not understand the situation, and unless drastic actions are done they will all end up dead.
Their opinion is not shared by all, however, and the town consensus tips toward the side of pacifism...
Angry about the indecisiveness, one of the four protestors advocating for the lynch pulls out and throw homemade smoke bomb they brew safe during the night. Although their strength is naturally weak as it had been designed for amateurs, it is enough to send everyone in panic as the rooms fills with haze.
Everyone flees from the site of attack. Ten people argue furiously about the unjustified nature of the actions that took place; there are no solidarity. However, it still does not take them long enough to realize one of them had been mysteriously disappeared.
When smoke clears, the body of youngminii is seen lying in floor, apparently grasping desperately toward the entrance. When the chaos broke, he had fallen and was trampled to death unknowingly by everyone following right behind him.
There are no words. The group turns back immediately to their respective shelters, refusing to even acknowledge each other.
youngminii, Selfish Townie, was lynched.
chaoser and Jayme is WARNED for not voting. I strongly recommend the town to contemplate extending the deadline if critical discussion is not concluded & not everyone is present yet.
Deadline ends at August 14 2010 10:17 KST
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He did not know that his role would get him killed that night.
He 'deduced it' by making critical assumptions.
Ace sounded surprised when he died
On August 11 2010 09:29 Ace wrote:
oh are you fucking serious?
:/
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On August 13 2010 10:14 bumatlarge wrote:
By "not caring about logic" I meant the penalty assumptions logic. Ace said he knew he would die regardless, but i didnt register the mafia hitting ace based on his plan, because he had never outright claimed who he was hitting.
If you think Ace knew, perhaps you care explain his death post:
On August 11 2010 09:29 Ace wrote:
oh are you fucking serious?
:/
As to what Ace did that night... I have no idea. As I said before, I was expecting him to "telegraph" (whatever that means) his action. We got nothing.
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yeahhhh well still pretty set on citizen and bill. Watch bill "vig" a town and make it seem like a BM accident. Damn I gotta remember this KST time
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OK, yay for another townie playing nothing like past games. Young had a total of six posts this entire game, even though he's usually one of the most active payers.
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I guess he really did forget he was playing this game. Still doesnt change the fact that if a mafia doesnt die tonight by BM's bullet, he dies, no questions asked. And then you scum. I suppose Ace was surprised there was no other victim. Guess he didnt expect mafia to hit him when he had so much filth on him.
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Bill can supposedly only vig people who voted for youngminii. I don't think Scamp or Divinek are red, so I think using the vigi hit tonight is a mistake.
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You are on it. Oh wait, Bill murray cant hit you, silly me.
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I know I'm not red, so I stand by my statement.
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Wow what the fuck, okay.
The Selfish Townie hopes all you motherfuckers die.
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On August 13 2010 11:51 youngminii wrote:
Wow what the fuck, okay.
The Selfish Townie hopes all you motherfuckers die.
lol i guess you played your role out quite well, all game then.
i suppose there's not much to do but wait to see what happens with bm's claim and see who goes down from his shot or if he gets shot, and stuffs
though the late, last minute votes were kind of interesting. God im still feeling hung over
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i'm going to hit citi.zen
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what for sure should happen today then
either BM gets hit or citi.zen
if both are still alive then somethings up @_@
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On August 13 2010 13:12 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm going to hit citi.zen
I will not be surprised if you do. You will be quite disappointed though.
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sigh
you're making me question myself. I've always been a sucker for AtE.
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Not sure how much it matters now.
I think zeks is playing differently and if I'm alive will probably vote for him. No smoking gun though, youngminii and Ace also looked very different this game to me, so w/e.
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You better kill him BM, or pray to god mafia hits me.
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Now:
7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people.
Tonight:
a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit
b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit
c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide.
Tomorrow Night:
a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 5v2 if I hit (similar to c9 I believe?)
b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts
c.) i'm not exploring craziness
The next night would be lylo if I mishit tomorrow night, so I can wait a day, or not use it at all tomorrow night either if we get no info. If by some odd chance we have a bodyguard role, please for the love of God protect me tonight. If there is a tracker who can track a mafia to a kill tonight, that would be GREAT. If not, I might not hit tomorrow, as 5v3 is better than 4v3. I don't want to be in lylo.
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BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_>
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I dont need to stump if im not getting lynched. And i doubt anyone would after what I posted. So if I see two hits tonight, we can trust Bill. If there is one kill, you have to take the blame regardless. Although I would suggest citizen, make it more random so they dont predict it.
Korynne can you read through the thread again? Along with everyone. If I use my power when im going to lynched, and we lynch a red instead, we will only need to deal with 2 other reds, despite the pop increase. The lylo will come soooner, but it would be easier to pull off a win. Assuming we hit red -_-
Any analysis on anyone would be great.
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On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_>
Agreed.
BM you have a lot of suspicion on you, and if two people don't die tonight, you're probably going to be lynched tomorrow.
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Lol @ korynne and lsb. Hit tonight = dead townie. It's fine, lynch korynne afterwards.
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Dude, if the only argument you have against lynching you is that you know you're not mafia... then that's a pretty poor argument.
You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red?
Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation.
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On August 14 2010 07:27 Korynne wrote:
Dude, if the only argument you have against lynching you is that you know you're not mafia... then that's a pretty poor argument.
You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red?
Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation.
If I mishit someone we will have lylo a day earlier. Are you dumb? If someone can give me information on who a red is I will use my hit. I do not want us to lose a day early due to incompetance. We have already lost 1 informative town role and our medic, we do not need to lose our vig. Your play right now is screaming red to me, trying to get me lynched, since I'm a confirmable town member who is using his head and that threatens your little mafia.
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On August 13 2010 14:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Now:
7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people.
Tonight:
a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit
b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit
c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide.
Tomorrow Night:
a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 5v2 if I hit (similar to c9 I believe?)
b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts
c.) i'm not exploring craziness
The next night would be lylo if I mishit tomorrow night, so I can wait a day, or not use it at all tomorrow night either if we get no info. If by some odd chance we have a bodyguard role, please for the love of God protect me tonight. If there is a tracker who can track a mafia to a kill tonight, that would be GREAT. If not, I might not hit tomorrow, as 5v3 is better than 4v3. I don't want to be in lylo.
READ THIS.
REALLY. If you're town, read this. Look at the numbers!
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On August 14 2010 06:05 citi.zen wrote:
Lol @ korynne and lsb. Hit tonight = dead townie. It's fine, lynch korynne afterwards.
yeah seriously, why on earth would you pop a vigi shot without any evidence of someone being scum. Wasting a vig hit is the same as wasting a lynch you don't want to do it.
All using a vig hit does, if you miss hit, which is more likely than a hit given no sure fire proof, is confirm someone as town.
Confirming one person as town gets us alot less close to a mafia considering missing a vig hit and killing a second townie in one night leads to bad stuffs. At least this is how i feel about it. I would hope that sounds reasonable to at least some of you non reds out there.
Especially since it was publicly announced how the vig has to restrict his targets, reds could easily not vote for that person, or if they had already voted for someone else/abstained just keep it that way and then guarantee a double kill
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I say do it - hit me. Then lynch Korynne for another really bad argument.
But don't think it'll confirm Bill, he will get killed.
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If Bill is still alive he is close to confirmed anyway. It would mean there is no other vigi in the game.
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♦ DAY 3
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The man pardoned himself from the group he was in to navigate himself down to the bathroom. The house he was currently in were occupied by several townsfolk, as before the discussion went to hell someone wisely proposed that sticking together in groups will increase the likelihood of one's survival (the most aggressive of the townies who were determined to fight had already formed their group last night, but he had no way of knowing this).
Of course the plan had fallen with the unexpected attack that left youngminii dead, but it was still good idea, and he found himself secure in pocket of townies he trusted.
Trusted to watch each other for suspicious behaviours, that is.
Either way zeks felt most comfortable among people. Since childhood, he had learned that invoking sympathy was the best way of influencing others what to do. Not logic, not power. How exceedingly funny the world operated.
Today was pretty bad, he knew, but as long as the killers (one that killed Hesmyrr, I mean) refrained from using blatant force, and veil of discussion was still present, zeks was confident he could survive. Even if his current group was killed, or mauled during the day, he knew using his personality he could easily join anyone else well enough. The surprising murderousness of his neighbours in fact confirmed his confidence as it proved, after all, man were completely irrational creatures. And man who could manipulate emotions for his benefit, like himself, would survive.
zeks turned out the bathroom light and seated himself, making sure he locked the door. As long as everyone was watching each other and entrance no one would be able to drop on him unnoticed, but it is still best to make sure, right?
After taking care of his basic instinct, zeks cleans up and tries to flush the toilet he just used.
Triggering the switch of the bomb carefully placed within the toilet machinery.
Explosion blasts open the bathroom door, and pieces of poop and remain of zeks are plastered upon the wall facing it. He did not even have time to realize something was horribly wrong.
Looking at the state of his body, the murderer that quickly came along with the group pretending to be surprised must have enjoyed the irony.
What an pitiful death.
zeks, Pitiful Townie, is killed.
*** Thanks to DarthThienAn + deconduo for responding ***
The NEW deadline is August 17 2010 10:35 KST
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##vote korynne
On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_>
This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight.
Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol.
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Hm :/ well bill you got some explaining to do. Citizen isnt dead. mafia had a 1 in 3 shot, I would have taken my chances and hit bill. They either REALLY feel lucky this game, or BM is red.
## Vote Bill Murray
Maybe the vig is either jaymes, or has some whack penalty. This is a pretty obvious choice. Thanks citizen for making this a little easier for the town. Hey maybe even Korynne is red too instead of LSB, but we can speculate that later.
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On August 14 2010 12:11 bumatlarge wrote:
Hm :/ well bill you got some explaining to do. Citizen isnt dead. mafia had a 1 in 3 shot, I would have taken my chances and hit bill. They either REALLY feel lucky this game, or BM is red.
## Vote Bill Murray
Maybe the vig is either jaymes, or has some whack penalty. This is a pretty obvious choice. Thanks citizen for making this a little easier for the town. Hey maybe even Korynne is red too instead of LSB, but we can speculate that later.
For the 1111th time: it makes no sense for Bill to claim vig, of all things, if he was red. It's the least safe claim possible: if there is a real vigilante he dies, and allows the vigilante to confirm themselves in the process. 2x lose for the mafia, vs. any other fake claim they can come up with.
The better question is "why is BM still alive?" Here I can guess: the mafia already know they can avoid getting hit by staying off the wagon, so leaving him alive can at most hurt the town if he kills another town-aligned player; they think they can get BM lynched.
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Look at this vote list:
youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme
The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now.
Meaning:
* Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed").
* Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red.
I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it.
That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne.
The weekend is here!
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On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:Look at this vote list: Show nested quote +youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now. Meaning: * Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed"). * Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red. I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it. That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne. The weekend is here!
hm you present an interesting candidate i will be sure to do a full analysis when i get back from getting smashed out of my mind. I feel that this is when i think with the most clarity
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On August 14 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote:##vote korynneShow nested quote +On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_> This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight. Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol.
Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM?
Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys.
FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen.
Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances.
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Wait... citi.zen so you're saying that reds would just absolutely not vote for the majority? Would seem kind of stupid to put all your eggs in one basket. Not to mention how hard it would be for town to coordinate 4 people onto someone.
I don't know why you seem so trusting of Scamp and Divinek without giving any reasons, and expecting us to trust you without giving any reasons...
So BM can you explain why you didn't hit citi.zen? Like, at no point before the night ended were you like, okay I sent my hit in or like so like I'm not going to because like, observe, LYLO.
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I'm saying that :
* It makes little sense for a red to claim vigi, given there is a decent chance there is a vigi in the game
* If BM told the truth about being a vigi with the bandwagon penalty, the mafia would stay off the wagon while encouraging him to kill someone, anyone, off that wagon. This is exactly what you, Korynne, argued for: to "confirm himself" he should kill... anyone. You stayed off the wagon, of course.
* Since they know how to prevent BM from killing them, the mafia let BM live to be lynched and/or "prove himself" by killing a townie tomorrow night
My 0.2c in the absence of a better story.
PS: please don't just reply WIFOM, I really don't care for that empty acronym.
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Yeah lets hear BM's excuses now. Korynne that is a funky penalty, not that a I disagree with where your vote is. Though its nice playing with only 5 people, when 9 are left. Town is in really good spirits obv.
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Citi.zen it's possible that "vigilante" was given to the mafia as a safe-claim, and therefore they would know there isn't one in the game.
I'm just waiting for Bill Murray's input before doing any heavy reacting.
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Now:
7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people. Thankfully, I didn't die.
Today: I chose option a!
a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit
b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit
c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide.
I chose option a!
Tomorrow Night:
a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 4v2 if I hit
b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts
c.) i'm not exploring craziness
so now I have multiple options tonight, as seen above. Anyone who doesn't understand this.. well w/e
Tomorrow night I now have these options: a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 4v2 if I hit
Did we get ANY information? I would like to know who it would be beneficial to hit. The town is going to go into lynch or lose a day earlier if I hit incorrectly, do you not see that? 5v3 > 4v3. Obviously 4v2 > 4v3 for us, but I want there to be information before I waste my hit on an innocent.
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I'm also going to ##vote for Korynne. My reasoning is that she is trying to force an earlier LyLo situation which is scummy and improper play as town. If she is not red, I have no good reads, as I've red the slot as red. Korynne has really been laying under the radar in terms of voting, too, which is suspicious to me. It feels like they don't want their vote analyzed. Korynne is also trying to push a lynch on me which would put the town at 5v3 and then how can i vig her scummy ass when I'm dead?
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On August 14 2010 15:38 Scamp wrote:
Citi.zen it's possible that "vigilante" was given to the mafia as a safe-claim, and therefore they would know there isn't one in the game.
I'm just waiting for Bill Murray's input before doing any heavy reacting.
It would make the game too imbalanced, I would think, if the reds knew what roles there are out there but the town did not. Plus, the OP states the mafia is given penalty claims, saying nothing about role claims:
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.
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Prodding chaoser, also LSB for heck of it too.
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Why aren't we lynching BM again? He said he was vigi, claimed he hit someone, then it didn't happen. WTF?
##vote BM
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On August 14 2010 23:32 chaoser wrote:
Why aren't we lynching BM again? He said he was vigi, claimed he hit someone, then it didn't happen. WTF?
##vote BM
Where did he claim he hit someone?
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Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys!
How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight.
Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not.
Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes."
So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm.
Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places.
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On August 15 2010 01:20 Korynne wrote:
Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys!
If BM is red he took one hell of a risk claiming vigi of all things. I mentioned this many time before. It's not impossible he's red, just highly unlikely. Without addressing this you're making unjustified claims simply for the sake of spreading confusion.
How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight.
I actually tried to do a long post on scamp. I went through all his posts and could not convince myself he is red. So I let it go. Divinek also seemed reasonable. Am I sure? Somewhat :-)
Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not.
I think you have it backwards: the reason we would want to use it is that we are sure we will hit a red. Otherwise we are just helping the mafia win faster, especially since in this set-up they know how to avoid being hit.
Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes."
Directed at BM, so he can answer. For my $$s worth a FoS on BM is weak, as stated above.
So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm.
I see no better candidate than yourself for today's lynch. The second part of your idea is pretty good though: everyone should be on the same wagon so we can choose our course of action after we see how you flip.
Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places.
I never tried to bicker. I am just telling you and, more importantly, the other players, what my take is on the current situation. If they don't want to read, think about it, or offer better alternatives.... whatever :-)
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ok so i didnt even make it to my room last night LOL
anyways as promised
On August 13 2010 00:11 Korynne wrote:
Can we vote for no lynch? I'm totally down for that (minus the fact I can't change my vote to reflect that).
We're voting to lynch youngminii (or alternatively for no lynch), he doesn't need to be on the bandwagon for us to lynch him...
We can decide afterwards in the no lynch group or in the youngminii group, whichever one is the bandwagon of the day, who we want BM to vigi.
woo go anti town plan! Not lynching gives the mafia a whole extra night to kill someone. While the town potentially only gains the the death of a townie
On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_>
really pushing the hit huh, it's almost like you know no scum are gonna get hit. You know ive had my suspicions about citizen but when you seem so adamant on getting someone on the young wagon killed i start to not be so worried about him and be more worried about your god damn anti town ideas. Yeah lets kill 2 towns in one night!
why would mafia want him dead so badly? If they know the mechanic behind his shot restriction they can avoid it somewhat easily, and get 2 kills a night instead of one rofl. HOW DO PEOPLE NOt SEE YOU AS RED
On August 14 2010 07:27 Korynne wrote:
Dude, if the only argument you have against lynching you is that you know you're not mafia... then that's a pretty poor argument.
You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red?
Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation.
what the fuck is your argument? Surely the same thing, so by this very merit your argument is poor and we should lynch you. Which by god we will do you scum bastard
i have a very hard time ever telling wtf bm is because his play is so retarded regardless of his alignment. But think about it, town REALLY has to have some sort of KP role this game
and if there was another vig bm would be 100% dead by now.
On August 14 2010 13:16 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote:##vote korynneOn August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_> This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight. Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol. Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM? Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys. FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen. Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances.
ROFL a restriction that he cant kill bm? please get your head out of your ass, that would be the worst restriction on a vig possible. That's like one of the few ways he can guarantee hit a red is a fake claim.
Yes EVERYONE ELSE is like dont waste a shot, yet you're so intent on him wasting a shot and potentially killing a townie, which would damn near end the game for us. I would like to lynch at least one mafia this game, so I'm not going to continue to breeze over your empty anti town logic anymore
If you're done giving him chances why isnt your vote on him? I know you can't change it but that sounds like a pretty absolute statement. OH THE FANNING OF THE FLAMES
On August 14 2010 13:23 Korynne wrote:
Wait... citi.zen so you're saying that reds would just absolutely not vote for the majority? Would seem kind of stupid to put all your eggs in one basket. Not to mention how hard it would be for town to coordinate 4 people onto someone.
I don't know why you seem so trusting of Scamp and Divinek without giving any reasons, and expecting us to trust you without giving any reasons...
So BM can you explain why you didn't hit citi.zen? Like, at no point before the night ended were you like, okay I sent my hit in or like so like I'm not going to because like, observe, LYLO.
i agree that it is pretty ludicrous that no reds would vote for majority. It is possible but i believe it to be unlikely, naturally though they would limit their numbers on that wagon as much as possible.
I suppose you can only trust me based on your own nose, though if you really wanted i could role claim and you could discern the legitimacy of it based on what has happened.
As for scamp..i dunno. I haven't gone through his post history much because such obvious targets as yourself present themselves
note the bolded part, im quite certain bm did give a logical explanation for not wanting to mindlessly waste a vig hit, so now you're just LYING. And yet you kept pushing for him to hit someone on that wagon
almost like you KNEW he would hit whom you wanted to hit
you're going down today you scum fuck, i know you're a good player and can talk your way out of things but not this time
##vote korynne
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Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not
@Korynne: I disagree with you on this. I feel that one should not vigi and force lylo a day early when one does not have any information on who to vig.
I stated I wasn't going to be hitting anyone yet way before the night ended. If you don't believe me, go read what happened in between the lynch and the night post. It's only about a page. I seriously don't believe the town analyzed my post or even understood it whatsoever. I had noone respond to the difference that a mishit of my power would make for the town. I would rather give us, as a town, another day, than risk mishitting.
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im quite certain bm did give a logical explanation
@divinek: I'm glad someone knows how to read. I thought citi.zen was the only person in the town who isn't illiterate for a minute.
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If Korynne flips red, I'm not going to use my vig hit, as scum probably won't be on her wagon
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And if I flip green? xP
I didn't say BM didn't give a logical explanation. It was more like, so, I guess I'll go for citi.zen. Oh wait guys, *presents argument about why we shouldn't use the vigi shot,* so like, yeah, what do you guys think?
And then it was like oh hey, no one got hit.
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i'm pretty sure you're not going to flip green at all
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Just dropping in to notify that in absence of someone to replace him before the day ends, Jayme will be mod-killed. Is this finally good news for the town, or yet another ditch the town will find themselves in? Only the time will tell...
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Okay, I'm really sorry, but I got an inpromptu trip to chicago, as my best friend who moved away when I was 7 came over.
I'll try being active tomorrow as for now
##Vote 24 hour extension
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Just curious: why are we extending this? We don't need LSB's vote to lynch Korynne.
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The NEW deadline is August 17 2010 10:35 KST
DarthThienAn replaces Jayme.
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YAY!
LSB didnt vote, and Id like his opinions. If more people decide korynnes is scum I will swing that way, but if she pops town, I think its pretty much GG if we dont go BM>Citizen>?LSB?
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I'm reluctant to say BM > Citi.zen > LSB... I would say BM shoot citi.zen at night if I turn out town, and then if he doesn't lynch BM tomorrow? I don't know, this whole game could just be town bickering at each other (Ace, Pyrr, BM, citi.zen, me) and then like, mafia's just like dududu, victory, ezpz!
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If there's one day you need to really pay attention to this game, it's now. Do your own reading and make up your minds. If you have a better theory than what I gave you on Korynne, feel free to offer it. If you want to lynch me instead, do that. Just don't get sidetracked talking about the next night phase, don't abstain and don't bandwagon on blind faith just because you don't want to read. When you cast your vote, whatever it may be, be confident you've done your due diligence.
That is all.
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I wanted to extend the day to talk to Darth, because Jayme's slot is the one I feel like I have the least information about. What is your role, Darth? What is your penalty?
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Okay, as promised, I will start a series of long posts.
Where are we now.: Numbers
+ Show Spoiler +Now:: 6v3 a) 6v2 if we correct lynch. Day 4 is 5v2 b) 5v3 if we Mislynch, Day 4 Lylo (4v3) Tomorrow! (If we correct lynch): 5v2 a) 5v1 if we correct lynch. Day 5 is 4v1. b) 4v2 if we mislynch. Day 5 Lylo What this means: - We can't use a vig hit anymore.
- If we mess up today or tomorrow we are in Lylo
Where are we now.: Votes
+ Show Spoiler +Korynne (3)
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Divinek
Bill Murray (2)
bumatlarge
chaoser
Not voted yet (4): Korynne, Scamp, Darththienan, Yours Truely What this means - Unless we dredge up a new target, either Korynne or Bill Murray is on the chopping block right now.
- The vote is actually even, 3v3, because Korynne has not voted yet.
Things we found out night 2
+ Show Spoiler +Bill Murray did not hit anyone. LSB, Bum, and Kor wanted BM to hit someone so he confirms himself.
Bill Murray doesn't want to send us into Lylo due to a mishit.
Understandable, but at the same time, we still are at a problem, we can't tell if BM is town or not, drawing up more confusion.
Zeks Died.
Zeks had a role that could either make Lylo come a day earlier or a day late.
Zeks was not very active
Zeks voted.
Day 1: BM. Wanted Penalty posting
Day 2: BM, then Abstain, then Chaoser
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Case Study, Youngminii
Divinek makes a drunk post. Wants to kill Yongminii because he hasn't contributed anything to the town. Mentions one kindof scummy post
citi.zen pops up and agrees with Divinek
Bill Murray wants to kill someone
Scamp randomly appears and kills Youngminii
Scamp. Why did you want to kill Youngminii?
I think this is very suspicious.
BM wants to kill someone instead of nolynch, understandable.
Citi.zen, idk, it seems a bit too early to bandwagon, but if the mafia is Citi.zen/BM/Scamp it would be understandable as an easy diversion from BM. It seems like Citi.zen wants to defend BM.
Citi.zen has been defending BM a lot, now that I think about it
Another group I am very suspicious about. DDivinek/BM/Citi.zen
Look back at Day 1. Divinek/BM voted for Pyrr, and Citi.zen switched his vote off BIll Murray, killing Pyrr.
Divinek/BM/Citi.zen got Yongminii killed.
And now Divinek/BM/Citi.zen is trying to get Koryane killed, say wut?
They all have a 0/2 record for voting. I'd be wary about following them
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you can't even spell korynne, how can you make a valid case?
you are just defending your scumbuddy with useless speculation
the only reason i wanted this night extended is to get information on jayme's slot darth is inheriting
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On August 16 2010 07:53 LSB wrote:
Case Study, Youngminii
Divinek makes a drunk post. Wants to kill Yongminii because he hasn't contributed anything to the town. Mentions one kindof scummy post
citi.zen pops up and agrees with Divinek
Bill Murray wants to kill someone
Scamp randomly appears and kills Youngminii
Scamp. Why did you want to kill Youngminii?
I think this is very suspicious.
BM wants to kill someone instead of nolynch, understandable.
Citi.zen, idk, it seems a bit too early to bandwagon, but if the mafia is Citi.zen/BM/Scamp it would be understandable as an easy diversion from BM. It seems like Citi.zen wants to defend BM.
Citi.zen has been defending BM a lot, now that I think about it
Another group I am very suspicious about. DDivinek/BM/Citi.zen
Look back at Day 1. Divinek/BM voted for Pyrr, and Citi.zen switched his vote off BIll Murray, killing Pyrr.
Divinek/BM/Citi.zen got Yongminii killed.
And now Divinek/BM/Citi.zen is trying to get Koryane killed, say wut?
They all have a 0/2 record for voting. I'd be wary about following them
yeah lets ignore all the other people in the game then D:
if you want to do a real analysis about any of those people then that'd be great, rather than piecing together circumstantial evidence.
you can do that have of the player list and i can do the rest if you want! I really do feel like i need to be taking a look at chaoser, and anything jayme actually said before he died lol. Inactive people coasting by that urgently needed to avoid mod kills.
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lame jayme didnt contribute anything but fanning a few flames early on before he went quiet, makes me need to put FoS on him/darth whatever
darrrrrrrth where are you
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This is still where I am, in the absence of any new information:
On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:Look at this vote list: Show nested quote +youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now. Meaning: * Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed"). * Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red. I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it. That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne. The weekend is here!
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I don't think bum is red. With the way LSB is defending Korynne, I wouldn't be surprised if it's LSB/Korynne/DarthThienAn. I'm predicting Darth is going to come out and try to throw some shit at one of us.
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I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference.
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Posting analysis on Bill Murray
Day 1 part 1
+ Show Spoiler +On August 08 2010 12:07 Bill Murray wrote:
##Vote Ace On August 08 2010 15:16 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote: scamp On August 08 2010 15:16 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote: ace On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote scamp
unvote
vote ace On August 08 2010 19:09 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
##vote: lsb
unvote
##vote: ace Well all remember this incident. Bill Murray sends the town into a disarray, no one knows what’s going on. Very un townlike, trying to mess everyone up, breaking up town unity. Casting suspicion on a random player??
Why did he do that?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 12:37 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm going to be honest, i was really just hoping to lynch ace, lol
unvote On August 09 2010 12:43 Bill Murray wrote:
I am in like five games, so I figured a joke like that wouldn't hurt while I caught up on the 2 games I just replaced into. I'm going to analyze the first 15 pages of this now. Or? On August 09 2010 17:11 Bill Murray wrote:
it was a ploy to out you
and it worked
so quit flailing and take it like a man Hmmm something completely changed. Bill flat out lied in order to help support getting Pyrr killed.
Day 1 part 2.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 13:28 Bill Murray wrote:I've been a treestump. I hated using it, but when you're near a lynch, it is a good ability. Wouldn't you rather be able to continue talking than have to sit on the sidelines watching? you can still do behavioral analysis and catch scum as a treestump. Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 16:22 Ace wrote:
Me speculating and being almost sure that we have a Vigilante based on the fact that our town roles have penalties doesn't warrant a soft claim.
You should know better than that. I'm going to have to agree with Ace here, although I'm assuming he is a town aligned power role at this point. If he doesn't help out we can hold him accountable. I took his arguing with Pyrrhuloxia as Pyrry trying to get a scum driven wagon going on day 1. I wanted to see who would be apt to get rid of our best player (if ace is town, he is our best asset, regardless of his role) Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 18:56 Scamp wrote:
This looks like every mafia game I've ever played with either Ace or Bill Murray in it.
Bill Murray has already screwed up the game and day one isn't even close to over.
Ace is also playing like his usual self which will result in either the town killing him early or the mafia will have to stack all their kills on him. (Not really a factor in this game since the KP is 1 but the point is there.) But even he is talking a lot about Bill Murray and that's what's at the forefront of all conversation right now.
So again, BM finds a way to screw up the game. And Ace will probably die one way or the other and get really pissed off about it.
Anyway...
Based on the way he's acting, I'm willing to believe Pyrr is town for now.
And other than people who haven't posted yet, I currently have my eye on LSB and bumatlarge. LSB is acting super noobish, while bumatlarge has unhelpfully offered himself as a vigilante target for no good reason, though he claims his power sucks. I completely disagree with you. I have not taken Pyrrhuloxia as town whatsoever yet this game. I am getting a negative read from him, and if he flips red, I bet you will too. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 04:23 Jayme wrote:
How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting.
If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody.
I'd like to hear Ace's plan though. Because I have learned ways to get information flowing which I can analyze and find scum, like Pyrrhuloxia and Scamp, who we as a town probably need to lynch. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.
I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum. See how he "isn't worried about me", because he is wanting this wagon to go on Ace. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pyrrhuloxia was the Godfather. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense. P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously. Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here. 1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered... 2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This tells us 2 things: The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself. Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell: Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action. If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced. Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit. ## vote Pyrr You really are a good player, and you know it. I'm jealous. At least we have suspicions of the same person. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote:
then say it out loud -_- I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure. You already told the mafia to force you to do it so... You should have just stayed low if you were worrieda bout the mafia forcing you to use your action. That said, I doubt there's a mafia role to force someone to use their action. A role that limits someone's speaking seems pretty guaranteed, though. I think one of the examples Hesmyrr gave was a shy townie that had some posting restrictions. That would be a really lame/boring role to have so I could see Hesmyrr balancing that by giving some way for the silent person to know red roles - I could see Hesmyrr assuming that we wouldn't immediately jump to the hypothesis I had on BM's role. It could be that BM is following an example claim given to the mafia by Hesmyrr, or he just thought he would fake being unable to speak to lay low as red, and BM just used my question to him as an excuse to try to kill Ace. If we were to kill Ace and he flips non-red, though, we'd go after BM and I don't think that's a good trade for mafia. Why are you thinking like mafia at all? This feels like a scum slip to me. I feel like your play this game fits with your scum meta, especially with the way you jumped on the first opportunity presented to you for a wagon. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute No, I was just jumping at the opportunity to piss Ace off day 1. Whenever people started talking about "play to win", I realized that I was betraying the town by not scumhunting. I hadn't originally intended to use my ploy for information, but since it DID get a lot of information, I'm going to use it. That's why I'm going to Vote: PyrrhuloxiaShow nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.
I'm totally down with the Bill Murray bandwagon right now as other than the inactive (who may have a legitimate excuse) he looks like the best play. The only thing that I'm concerned about it is that there seems to be no consideration as to what to do if BM flips green or blue. It doesn't clear Pyrr and puts more pressure on Ace, who at this point is looking like our strongest player. It doesn't really put more pressure on Ace because it just means BM was fucking around. Or that Hesmyrr forgot some of his rules or we are misinterpreting them (doubt it). It doesn't clear me but I think it undermines the reasons people are currently voting for me, which based on me working in concert with BM. Don't try to blame me for your scumminess showing when you were arguing with Ace. It was my fault that the town was in chaos at the time, but a lot of information came from it that is going to be pro-town when we lynch you (because you are going to flip red). Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles. ##vote Ace I thought I wanted to kill ace... I always want to pressure him first, because he's the best player, but there is no way in hell I'm voting for Ace right now or willing to endorse his lynch. I am pretty sure that you have dug yourself a hole, and when I flip, you will definitely get killed. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:54 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. you didnt answer my question I'm scummy because I'm trying (and failing miserably) to keep the mafia from picking out blues. Ace is clearly innocent because his plan is getting us no closer to identifying any scum and never will. You are scum trying to go against a plan that puts pressure on you. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties Hi scum :D Some of them imply blue. That's all mafia needs. Sure some blues might have penalties that don't hint that they are blue. How many people out there are green and have penalties that hint blue? So far only Divinek, who may be mafia. In any case hadn't heard otherwise and I'm sure the mafia like their odds based on how this conversation has played out (ie right into mafia hands) which is why I should have realized not to have the conversation in the first place but congrats for catching me playing like crap. So you're implying that he caught you on your scum slip? I wouldn't say you've been playing like crap if you're red, you have a wagon going on me, and you almost had a townie with a vendetta lynch a town aligned power role, which would have been some absolute awesomeness for you. The only crappy part about your play is that you were too willing to bandwagon and have little slipups about the amount of information you have. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule. Do you remember when L spent 2 weeks trying to get me lynched? It happens. I'm sorry, but I've dropped it, and am not trying to push it. @Scamp: what players are you referring to? @Ace: What should we do going forward as a town? I'm going to Vote: PyrrhuloxiaFairly certain he's scum. On August 09 2010 13:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Don't act like i'm the only one who is calling you out on your scumminess, pyrry BM bandwagons someone else inorder to draw heat off of himself. BM almost died there On August 09 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote:
your wanting to wagon is noted, divinek
@ace: if i die, a specific power role loses their power, but i don't want to say which He even accuses of wagoning when he is doing it himself On August 10 2010 08:17 Bill Murray wrote:
@ Ace: mass roleblock?
@ citi.zen: who are your top 3 suspects, and why? Immediately he starts working with citi.zen EPILOUGE On August 13 2010 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote: youngminii
A lynch is better than a no lynch from a town perspective. Why should we skimp on using our kp?
We don't happen to have any roles like trackers/watchers do we? We could use these to confirm me. Oh look! Another Wagon! Bill saves himself!
Day two part 1. Bill the vig
+ Show Spoiler +On August 11 2010 19:39 Bill Murray wrote:
ok, you all want a real claim? i'm the vigilante. On August 11 2010 19:43 Bill Murray wrote:
i can only vig someone who was on the lynch wagon in the previous day Bill is going to kill someone On August 12 2010 21:10 Bill Murray wrote:
who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight? On August 12 2010 21:10 Bill Murray wrote:
who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight? On August 13 2010 13:12 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm going to hit citi.zen On August 13 2010 14:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Now:
7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people.
Tonight:
a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit
b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit
c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide.
Tomorrow Night:
a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 5v2 if I hit (similar to c9 I believe?)
b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts
c.) i'm not exploring craziness
The next night would be lylo if I mishit tomorrow night, so I can wait a day, or not use it at all tomorrow night either if we get no info. If by some odd chance we have a bodyguard role, please for the love of God protect me tonight. If there is a tracker who can track a mafia to a kill tonight, that would be GREAT. If not, I might not hit tomorrow, as 5v3 is better than 4v3. I don't want to be in lylo. Bill has second thoughts On August 14 2010 08:15 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:27 Korynne wrote:
Dude, if the only argument you have against lynching you is that you know you're not mafia... then that's a pretty poor argument.
You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red?
Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation. If I mishit someone we will have lylo a day earlier. Are you dumb? If someone can give me information on who a red is I will use my hit. I do not want us to lose a day early due to incompetance. We have already lost 1 informative town role and our medic, we do not need to lose our vig. Your play right now is screaming red to me, trying to get me lynched, since I'm a confirmable town member who is using his head and that threatens your little mafia. Bill immediately goes from “Let’s kill someone!” To. “WTF you tried to get me to kill someone? youre scum FUFUFUFUFU” On August 14 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm also going to ##vote for Korynne. My reasoning is that she is trying to force an earlier LyLo situation which is scummy and improper play as town. If she is not red, I have no good reads, as I've red the slot as red. Korynne has really been laying under the radar in terms of voting, too, which is suspicious to me. It feels like they don't want their vote analyzed. Korynne is also trying to push a lynch on me which would put the town at 5v3 and then how can i vig her scummy ass when I'm dead? On August 15 2010 04:56 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not @Korynne: I disagree with you on this. I feel that one should not vigi and force lylo a day early when one does not have any information on who to vig. I stated I wasn't going to be hitting anyone yet way before the night ended. If you don't believe me, go read what happened in between the lynch and the night post. It's only about a page. I seriously don't believe the town analyzed my post or even understood it whatsoever. I had noone respond to the difference that a mishit of my power would make for the town. I would rather give us, as a town, another day, than risk mishitting. Oh, Bill didn’t think of that earlier? More likely, Bill is Mafia, Bill wants to say ‘lets hit someone’ and then weasel out of it
Why shouldn’t we kill Bill? Bill's defence
+ Show Spoiler +On August 10 2010 10:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 10:15 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 09:46 Bill Murray wrote:
citi.zen did you ever answer when i asked you top 3 suspects? obstinacy is a sign of mafia On August 10 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
I killed Pyrr by switching my vote off BM. It was an idiotic move, I was not aware of the vote totals and had no clue the voting was ending so soon.
That said, Ace is red.
I also think Korynne is red. Plus someone who attacked Ace day 1, Ace like to do that with one team member. Need to look back at day 1, but you're not a bad candidate Bill. Let' not get ahead of ourselves though. Ace goes first. + Show Spoiler +Also, LOL at obstinacy comment :-) why am i a good candidate? i'm just a townie, but the fact that without me we essentially make a power role a townie, i am vital to the town's survival and ability to act at night with my claim, i wouldn't be surprised if i was killed tonight, so you'll have to pick someone other than me tomorrow On August 12 2010 17:44 Bill Murray wrote:
omg you guys are idiots
if you all mislynch me you all are seriously hurting
it will be at 5v3 tomorrow................ Bill's reasons. 1) He calls himself townie, 2) He’s going to die the next night
##VOTE: Bill Murray
- He messes around with the town for fun
- He has lied to save himself
- He bandwagons Youngminii
- He pretends to go vig someone, and then turns around and says it's a really bad idea to do that
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On August 16 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote:
you can't even spell korynne, how can you make a valid case?
you are just defending your scumbuddy with useless speculation
the only reason i wanted this night extended is to get information on jayme's slot darth is inheriting
Firstly, I haven't defended her yet. I'm just saying I'm not going to trust you guys.
On August 16 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote:
day*
you can't even tell the difference between night and day, how can you make a valid case?
you are only attacking me with useless speculation
the only reason i wanted this day extended is to attack you
On August 16 2010 08:29 Divinek wrote:
if you want to do a real analysis about any of those people then that'd be great, rather than piecing together circumstantial evidence.
you can do that have of the player list and i can do the rest if you want! I really do feel like i need to be taking a look at chaoser, and anything jayme actually said before he died lol. Inactive people coasting by that urgently needed to avoid mod kills.
Yeah, I was doing that while you were typing this. Check it out!
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On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference.
Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious?
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Hey guys, I just woke up, I've mostly caught, gimme a second to read the last two pages ^_^
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On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference. Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious?
Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help.
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On August 16 2010 10:07 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference. Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious? Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help.
Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners.
Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy.
Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal?
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:Look at this vote list: Show nested quote +youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now. Meaning: * Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed"). * Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red. I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it. That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne. The weekend is here!
When I was reading, I leaned Korynne + bumatlarge as red. LSB/chaoser is sort of suspicious as well.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2010 13:16 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote:##vote korynneOn August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_> This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight. Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol. Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM? Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys. FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen. Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances.
I think Ace was right before. Also, when is there NOT a kp role? No vigilante would mean that we have several detectives or something. And balance wise, it only makes sense to have one doctor (1 mafia kp). Based on that, we either have a vigilante or LSB is lying.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2010 01:20 Korynne wrote:
Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys!
How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight.
Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not.
Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes."
So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm.
Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places.
This post deflects a little bit o.O. I kind of like the plan though. Where he shoots you, I mean :D. Minus the part where we leave you alive :D.
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LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red?
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That said,
##Vote Korynne
citi.zen, what's your penalty? jw, because I don't have yours in my chart =D.
I'll phrase mine exactly as Jayme phrased it awhile ago. I look guilty. lolol.
Also, @BM: What is your penalty? I just want to be sure because it seems like you were lying for the first half of the game or so, and thus, the list would be wrong.
Updating the list:
Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim.
Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting.
Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions.
zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla: (partial penalty claim) After an event, his role changed
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes
bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies.
Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night
Jayme: Goth: looks guilty
chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.[/QUOTE]
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On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red?
It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town.
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On August 16 2010 10:18 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 10:07 citi.zen wrote:On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference. Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious? Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help. Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners. Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy. Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal?
I never once said I had proof he was red. I said he was not being helpful and there was no better lynch target.
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On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red?
Yeah, all he has to do is say "oh! If I kill someone it goes to Lylo, so I'm not going to kill someone" and he's safe.
On August 16 2010 10:25 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 10:18 LSB wrote:On August 16 2010 10:07 citi.zen wrote:On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference. Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious? Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help. Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners. Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy. Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal? I never once said I had proof he was red. I said he was not being helpful and there was no better lynch target.
kk, so you killed Youngminii cause he wasn't active enough.
But that still doesn't answer the question, I don't get why people thought Youngminii was mafia.
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On August 16 2010 10:24 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red? It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town.
If he's red it's a gamble: if there is a vigi he's dead; if not, it's a very good cover (as Korynne and LSB repeatedly point out). This small chance at a good wifom alibi seems like a bad gamble to me vs. the reality of getting shot at night.
It sucks having to stake the game on BM making a "rational decision", but Korynne and the other suspects have in the meantime made me feel better about my choice.
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On August 16 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 10:24 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red? It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town. If he's red it's a gamble: if there is a vigi he's dead; if not, it's a very good cover (as Korynne and LSB repeatedly point out). This small chance at a good wifom alibi seems like a bad gamble to me vs. the reality of getting shot at night. It sucks having to stake the game on BM making a "rational decision", but Korynne and the other suspects have in the meantime made me feel better about my choice.
I'm with you on that, I see why bluffing vigi is a bad idea. But at the same time, BM has not acted rational at all this game.
Day 1, his little mess up the town. That was not rational. It is unforgivable that he then twists his words to say it was a way to attack Pyrr
I'm more willing to buy the story that the medic protected BM from the Vigi hit because he was begging for protection
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On August 16 2010 10:23 DarthThienAn wrote:
That said,
##Vote Korynne
citi.zen, what's your penalty? jw, because I don't have yours in my chart =D.
I'll phrase mine exactly as Jayme phrased it awhile ago. I look guilty. lolol.
Also, @BM: What is your penalty? I just want to be sure because it seems like you were lying for the first half of the game or so, and thus, the list would be wrong.
Updating the list:
Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim.
Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting.
Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions.
zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla: (partial penalty claim) After an event, his role changed
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes
bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies.
Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night
Jayme: Goth: looks guilty
chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.
Unlike the mafia, I was not given a "safe" penalty. If I post my penalty the mafia can use it to kill me, so forgive me but I can't.
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On August 16 2010 10:45 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:On August 16 2010 10:24 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red? It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town. If he's red it's a gamble: if there is a vigi he's dead; if not, it's a very good cover (as Korynne and LSB repeatedly point out). This small chance at a good wifom alibi seems like a bad gamble to me vs. the reality of getting shot at night. It sucks having to stake the game on BM making a "rational decision", but Korynne and the other suspects have in the meantime made me feel better about my choice. I'm with you on that, I see why bluffing vigi is a bad idea. But at the same time, BM has not acted rational at all this game. Day 1, his little mess up the town. That was not rational. It is unforgivable that he then twists his words to say it was a way to attack Pyrr I'm more willing to buy the story that the medic protected BM from the Vigi hit because he was begging for protection
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117662
This
Micro Mafia II
Go read this, LSB.
I am getting the same feeling from that game.
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@Darth I do not have two penalties, but if someone had a penalty like "if you are lynched, a random person on your wagon is killed", would you want mafia to know that? I needed to say something that would convince people not to kill me because of the position I was put in at the time. I didn't want the town to lose its best role, and I knew there couldn't be another vigilante in the game.
@citi.zen I'm still not sure if I believe that treestump claim and I'd like to hear more from bumatlarge. Did you pick up on any scummy vibes from your reading of that? Because I'm a bit more suspicious of Korynne I'm going to keep my vote on her. She has been lurking or inactive which to me is a sign of scum giving up in being caught.
@Divinek What was your claim again?
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"Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night"
What negative impacts come from this?
FoS: Divinek
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We have 24 hours left. Darth voting Korynne, and claiming to "look guilty" looks guilty, but it might be town because of his ability to laugh that off. I'm starting to pick up on underlying trends from this game. If Korynne is red I feel like we get a lot of information based upon who was defending her (LSB)
I'm sort of torn on my vote. I hate feeling frustrated as town.
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Like I said, I strongly suggest we lynch someone who is not me or BM tonight and let BM vigi me tonight.
BM, I'm not red. So you won't get a lot of information when I die. Instead it FoS's you and citi.zen. I don't know if I think you or citi.zen is red...
So, I'm town, I'll let BM vigi me tonight by voting for majority. (But of course it wouldn't work if me or BM was lynched today) If I was mafia and we're in LYLO tomorrow then obviously you lynch me tomorrow. This is pretty much like a double lynch, since we got to choose to vigi me.
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On August 16 2010 11:17 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +"Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night" What negative impacts come from this? FoS: Divinek
i cant say exactly what it is, because
if i say exactly what it is i will surely be killed by it if the condition is met
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On August 16 2010 11:22 Bill Murray wrote:
We have 24 hours left. Darth voting Korynne, and claiming to "look guilty" looks guilty, but it might be town because of his ability to laugh that off. I'm starting to pick up on underlying trends from this game. If Korynne is red I feel like we get a lot of information based upon who was defending her (LSB)
I'm sort of torn on my vote. I hate feeling frustrated as town.
well it's all kind of wifom but at the same time it's not...
like it looks good if someone flips town and you were defending them. So if a mob member knew a townie was going to get lynched it'd be easy for them to try and defend them. And if people are pushing for someone to die people always assume that those people must be mob, which is silly. Usually the most vehement people in the lynching of a townie are well townies themselves. Because sure mafia want to help get townies killed but it's kind of bad for them to take the spot light. They usually try to sit back and tab jabs from the shadows, at least what ive seen from the few games ive played.
The biggest thing to look for obviously is someone showing that they know too much.
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On August 16 2010 11:48 Korynne wrote:
Like I said, I strongly suggest we lynch someone who is not me or BM tonight and let BM vigi me tonight.
BM, I'm not red. So you won't get a lot of information when I die. Instead it FoS's you and citi.zen. I don't know if I think you or citi.zen is red...
So, I'm town, I'll let BM vigi me tonight by voting for majority. (But of course it wouldn't work if me or BM was lynched today) If I was mafia and we're in LYLO tomorrow then obviously you lynch me tomorrow. This is pretty much like a double lynch, since we got to choose to vigi me.
Who do we get more information out of lynching than you? Noone.
On August 16 2010 12:15 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 11:17 Bill Murray wrote:"Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night" What negative impacts come from this? FoS: Divinek i cant say exactly what it is, because if i say exactly what it is i will surely be killed by it if the condition is met
What does it have to do with? The voting wagon? Is it like "if a mafia is lynched, and you are killed, the kill carries over to another townie"? I'm not really sure how to take the words you're using.
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Fine bill, we lynch ??? have korynne in the vote and you shoot her if you are vig? Id give you another shot (lol) at proving yourself, but then whats to stop red from hitting korynne also, and completely screws you over. (if she isnt red)
Im tired of this really, we should have lynched BM day 1. This is all so easily fabricated, that all we have to go on is constant BM quips of "we need me" and "we will lose if I die". I really wish you had played like a normal town if you are one, instead of lying. If we decide to leave you alive, its just gonna be another excuse tommorrow, and another "but im essential" post that means nothing to anyone at this point. If we lose, oh well we lost trying our best. If lose because you are scum and we didnt lynch you, then shame on us.
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If BM claims to vigi me and mafia doesn't shoot or shoots me at night then like, they basically wasted a chance to kill someone. Like if we lynch BM if he doesn't shoot me, then if mafia doesn't shoot anyone/shoots me at night that's the equivalent of them shooting BM instead at night, and we lynch someone else during the day, which is giving us another chance at hitting mafia, so it's not bad.
So like seriously, can we lynch someone else today and then:
1) I follow instructions and vote majority, BM vigis me tonight
2) I don't follow instructions and don't vote majority, BM vigis someone else or doesn't vigi at night, you guys lynch me tomorrow (if I'm town I wouldn't screw you guys over and so if it's LYLO lynching me is totally fine because then I'm obviously mafia)
3) Me + someone else doesn't die tonight, in which case we lynch BM tomorrow
Like, lynch BM if I'm the only one that dies. If BM's mafia and can't vigi, then obviously lynch him. If BM's not mafia then mafia framed him, but like I said, that's equivalent to killing him at night.
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On August 17 2010 03:20 DarthThienAn wrote:
Can we lynch bum? :D
we could try but he might stump on us
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On August 17 2010 04:07 Divinek wrote:we could try but he might stump on us
Oh. I totally forgot about that. I still don't fully understand that. Does someone get converted? Or is one person just considered toward the mafia count? It makes sense that it only happens to one person so then it'd be -1 townie and +1 mafia, in the same way that recruitment works. Whether or not they become part of the mafia team is questionable. Also, how does that person get picked? I want answers!
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On August 17 2010 03:41 Korynne wrote:
If BM claims to vigi me and mafia doesn't shoot or shoots me at night then like, they basically wasted a chance to kill someone. Like if we lynch BM if he doesn't shoot me, then if mafia doesn't shoot anyone/shoots me at night that's the equivalent of them shooting BM instead at night, and we lynch someone else during the day, which is giving us another chance at hitting mafia, so it's not bad.
So like seriously, can we lynch someone else today and then:
1) I follow instructions and vote majority, BM vigis me tonight
2) I don't follow instructions and don't vote majority, BM vigis someone else or doesn't vigi at night, you guys lynch me tomorrow (if I'm town I wouldn't screw you guys over and so if it's LYLO lynching me is totally fine because then I'm obviously mafia)
3) Me + someone else doesn't die tonight, in which case we lynch BM tomorrow
Like, lynch BM if I'm the only one that dies. If BM's mafia and can't vigi, then obviously lynch him. If BM's not mafia then mafia framed him, but like I said, that's equivalent to killing him at night.
How do you feel about Chaoser?
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On August 17 2010 04:18 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 04:07 Divinek wrote:On August 17 2010 03:20 DarthThienAn wrote:
Can we lynch bum? :D we could try but he might stump on us Oh. I totally forgot about that. I still don't fully understand that. Does someone get converted? Or is one person just considered toward the mafia count? It makes sense that it only happens to one person so then it'd be -1 townie and +1 mafia, in the same way that recruitment works. Whether or not they become part of the mafia team is questionable. Also, how does that person get picked? I want answers!
im fairly sure it just changes the overall count, so mafia can only win quicker and dont actually get an extra member. Because if someone got converted that'd be ridiculous. Though i wouldn't put that past this set up
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citi.zen, I don't feel about anyone. Like I said, just not me or BM.
With a lot of you adamant on me being mafia, anyone I bring up strongly kind of becomes a big circle of WIFOM.
So taking out me and BM for obvious reasons (execution of the plan), the choices we have are:
chaoser
citi.zen
Divinek
bumatlarge
Scamp
LSB
From word/penalty/role claims, I would go for chaoser, Darth, Scamp, or Divinek. I guess I'll do an analysis of each when I get home today.
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On August 17 2010 05:21 Korynne wrote:
citi.zen, I don't feel about anyone. Like I said, just not me or BM.
With a lot of you adamant on me being mafia, anyone I bring up strongly kind of becomes a big circle of WIFOM.
So taking out me and BM for obvious reasons (execution of the plan), the choices we have are:
chaoser
citi.zen
Divinek
bumatlarge
Scamp
LSB
From word/penalty/role claims, I would go for chaoser, Darth, Scamp, or Divinek. I guess I'll do an analysis of each when I get home today.
Your plan requires:
a. A better, 3rd lynch candidate (right now you and BM have all the votes); and
b. A bandwagon for that candidate.
Waiting until the last moment after we've had a 72h day seems designed to distract, more than find reds or implement your plan. Still, finally hearing your thoughts will be interesting.
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On August 17 2010 06:27 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 05:21 Korynne wrote:
citi.zen, I don't feel about anyone. Like I said, just not me or BM.
With a lot of you adamant on me being mafia, anyone I bring up strongly kind of becomes a big circle of WIFOM.
So taking out me and BM for obvious reasons (execution of the plan), the choices we have are:
chaoser
citi.zen
Divinek
bumatlarge
Scamp
LSB
From word/penalty/role claims, I would go for chaoser, Darth, Scamp, or Divinek. I guess I'll do an analysis of each when I get home today. Your plan requires: a. A better, 3rd lynch candidate (right now you and BM have all the votes); and b. A bandwagon for that candidate. Waiting until the last moment after we've had a 72h day seems designed to distract, more than find reds or implement your plan. Still, finally hearing your thoughts will be interesting.
I am 100% willing to bandwagon anyone from this list: bumatlarge, chaoser, LSB.
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seriously where the hell has chaoser been his last few posts have just been his votes
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On August 17 2010 06:31 Divinek wrote:
seriously where the hell has chaoser been his last few posts have just been his votes
Come to think of it, why isn't chaoser dead? Why would mafia hit zeks? To remove the threat of the +1 vote? All they would need to do that is prevent zeks from being lynched.
On August 12 2010 10:11 chaoser wrote:
I am Obvious. I'm starting to think that there is no townie role, everyone is just blue. Think about the penalties so far, Ace could only do an action if he tells it ahead of time, meaning everyone will know/suspect he's blue. And Pyrr's is that he had to wait till Night 2. Those are some crazy penalties. Unless we're all blue.
This post obviously implies that he's either blue or red. So if he's not red, mafia would know that he's blue. So why would they hit zeks, who was just a townie?
##unvote
Vote chaoser
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Jayme could well be red as well, so I think lynching Korynne is still the better bet.
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On August 17 2010 06:44 citi.zen wrote:
Jayme could well be red as well, so I think lynching Korynne is still the better bet.
You mean me? I'm not red :D. But if you check me, I'd be red. Nah sayy? I don't mind lynching Korynne either, cuz I think she's scum.
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On August 17 2010 06:42 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 06:31 Divinek wrote:
seriously where the hell has chaoser been his last few posts have just been his votes Come to think of it, why isn't chaoser dead? Why would mafia hit zeks? To remove the threat of the +1 vote? All they would need to do that is prevent zeks from being lynched. Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 10:11 chaoser wrote:
I am Obvious. I'm starting to think that there is no townie role, everyone is just blue. Think about the penalties so far, Ace could only do an action if he tells it ahead of time, meaning everyone will know/suspect he's blue. And Pyrr's is that he had to wait till Night 2. Those are some crazy penalties. Unless we're all blue. This post obviously implies that he's either blue or red. So if he's not red, mafia would know that he's blue. So why would they hit zeks, who was just a townie? ##unvote
Vote chaoser
Meh... once you switched you already saved Korynne. She will obviously not vote for herself. Divinek said he's 100% willing to switch as well, bringing Korynne to 2 votes and making this a race between BM and Chaoser. Bad choice in my view, but it is what it is.
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser
Korynne, please get on the wagon :-)
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Alright, well I will vote for chaoser then. I can't switch my vote, so bandwagon up everyone~
##Vote chaoser
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On August 17 2010 06:52 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 06:42 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 17 2010 06:31 Divinek wrote:
seriously where the hell has chaoser been his last few posts have just been his votes Come to think of it, why isn't chaoser dead? Why would mafia hit zeks? To remove the threat of the +1 vote? All they would need to do that is prevent zeks from being lynched. On August 12 2010 10:11 chaoser wrote:
I am Obvious. I'm starting to think that there is no townie role, everyone is just blue. Think about the penalties so far, Ace could only do an action if he tells it ahead of time, meaning everyone will know/suspect he's blue. And Pyrr's is that he had to wait till Night 2. Those are some crazy penalties. Unless we're all blue. This post obviously implies that he's either blue or red. So if he's not red, mafia would know that he's blue. So why would they hit zeks, who was just a townie? ##unvote
Vote chaoser Meh... once you switched you already saved Korynne. She will obviously not vote for herself. Divinek said he's 100% willing to switch as well, bringing Korynne to 2 votes and making this a race between BM and Chaoser. Bad choice in my view, but it is what it is. ##unvote
##Vote ChaoserKorynne, please get on the wagon :-)
We can obviously switch back. But Korynne should be dying tonight anyway by BM.
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Everyone on BM's wagon should get on chaoser, especially since this whole plan can possibly confirm BM. Then we don't have to potentially waste a lynch on BM if he's innocent.
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On August 17 2010 07:00 Korynne wrote:
Alright, well I will vote for chaoser then. I can't switch my vote, so bandwagon up everyone~
##Vote chaoser
okay
i dont really have any good reads on him but he's been way too quiet and this does help things along if bm fucking decides to actually pop you or whatever
##unvote
##vote chaoser
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On August 17 2010 07:04 Korynne wrote:
Everyone on BM's wagon should get on chaoser, especially since this whole plan can possibly confirm BM. Then we don't have to potentially waste a lynch on BM if he's innocent.
The plan sounds good.
##Vote: Chaoser
But why would Korynne be advocating this plan? If Chaoser is townie, and Korynne is townie, isn't it gg?
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*
##unvote
##Vote: Chaose
Since I fail
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On August 17 2010 07:13 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 07:04 Korynne wrote:
Everyone on BM's wagon should get on chaoser, especially since this whole plan can possibly confirm BM. Then we don't have to potentially waste a lynch on BM if he's innocent. The plan sounds good. ##Vote: ChaoserBut why would Korynne be advocating this plan? If Chaoser is townie, and Korynne is townie, isn't it gg?
If chaoser is townie, we're at 5-3 tonight.
...hmm. If both BM and Korynne are townie, mafia hit someone else, we're at 3-3... Wait, really?
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On August 17 2010 07:16 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 07:13 LSB wrote:On August 17 2010 07:04 Korynne wrote:
Everyone on BM's wagon should get on chaoser, especially since this whole plan can possibly confirm BM. Then we don't have to potentially waste a lynch on BM if he's innocent. The plan sounds good. ##Vote: ChaoserBut why would Korynne be advocating this plan? If Chaoser is townie, and Korynne is townie, isn't it gg? If chaoser is townie, we're at 5-3 tonight. ...hmm. If both BM and Korynne are townie, mafia hit someone else, we're at 3-3... Wait, really?
Exactly.
Let's check out Korynne's motives.
Townie Motives: She thinks BM is mafia, and so BM won't be able to shoot her. Next day is Lylo, but BM gets killed
Mafia Motives:
Kor is mafia: She knows she's going to die, so she tries her best to get another townie lynched. The mafia gets one extra kill essentially.
Kor/BM working together: If kor/bm are both in the mafia (very unlikely), this would delay the lynching by one day. BM would probably end up lynched though. So there is not much difference
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Yup. We must hit a red.
Korynne, that suspect analysis would still be appreciated.
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##Unovte
##Vote: Abstain
I'm suspicious why suddenly Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThienAn accepted this plan. I'd like a bit more thinking time.
The main problem is looking at Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThieAn as the three group mafia. They know that if this plan goes through, it's gg.
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I've been too lazy and not having enough time to do anything. What happens if me and chaoser are town?
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We lose
##unvote
##Vote: Bill Murray
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On August 17 2010 07:30 LSB wrote:
##Unovte
##Vote: Abstain
I'm suspicious why suddenly Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThienAn accepted this plan. I'd like a bit more thinking time.
The main problem is looking at Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThieAn as the three group mafia. They know that if this plan goes through, it's gg.
I never accepted it. I'd still like to lynch korynne, but I ain't got the votes. Having everyone on that wagon would be ideal to keep our options open, I've said as much many times.
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On August 17 2010 07:33 Korynne wrote:
I've been too lazy and not having enough time to do anything. What happens if me and chaoser are town?
Lol - to think you'll get away with it too!
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Wow I completely forgot that chaoser post, now I feel retarded.
It makes sense since only Pyrr and Ace died, I need to read the thread again. Unless chaoser is vet, but I think mafia would have hit him by now anyway to be sure.
##Vote chaoser
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Notice nobody defended chaoser yet, even a little bit.
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Too many people voting for chaoser...
Despite that post I need to think. Obviously, if we lynch a townie, BM does not use his vigi hit. So that fails.
Alternate plan?
1) Lynch Korynne.
Korynne mafia: we tell BM to shoot someone on the list who we suspect (multiple names!). If two people die, then BM is confirmed townie. If one person dies, we lynch BM - if he's mafia, great, if he's not, we're.. back at lylo I think.
We're at 6-3
Lynch Korynne: 6-2
BM + mafia both hit townies: 4-2, with a confirmed townie (unless mafia hit BM)
BM + mafia hit 1 of ea: 5-1
only one hit: 5-2 --> lynch BM (townie) 4-2, lynch BM (mafia) 5-1.
Korynne townie: we tell BM not to shoot anyone.
6-3
Lynch Korynne: 5-3
Mafia hit someone tonight: 4-3
in which case we're at lylo. This means that Korynne dies today, and BM may/may not shoot one of the Korynne voters tonight. Thoughts?
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On August 17 2010 07:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
Too many people voting for chaoser...
Despite that post I need to think. Obviously, if we lynch a townie, BM does not use his vigi hit. So that fails.
Alternate plan?
1) Lynch Korynne.
Korynne mafia: we tell BM to shoot someone on the list who we suspect (multiple names!). If two people die, then BM is confirmed townie. If one person dies, we lynch BM - if he's mafia, great, if he's not, we're.. back at lylo I think.
We're at 6-3
Lynch Korynne: 6-2
BM + mafia both hit townies: 4-2, with a confirmed townie (unless mafia hit BM)
BM + mafia hit 1 of ea: 5-1
only one hit: 5-2 --> lynch BM (townie) 4-2, lynch BM (mafia) 5-1.
Korynne townie: we tell BM not to shoot anyone.
6-3
Lynch Korynne: 5-3
Mafia hit someone tonight: 4-3
in which case we're at lylo. This means that Korynne dies today, and BM may/may not shoot one of the Korynne voters tonight. Thoughts?
man i totally didnt realize we could lose from this rofl, cause townie plus nk plus vigi is 3 and i thought mafia had to out number town not equal them.
However say we lynch anyone today that is town and then it's
5-3, and then say bm announces his hit and they stack with bm's hit or just dont do a hit then it's 4-3, and then if you lynch him because only one person died we lose...
or they could obviously just hit someone else and out right end the game if bm follows through with his vigi hit.
but obviously if we hit a mob with our lynch it'll be alot better cause then it's like
6-2 and bm can hit anyone and mafia couldnt stack their hit with his because that'd be senseless so it'd probably go to
4-2 or if we get lucky 5-1, which the latter would certainly be winning for us.
So i think if we lynch whoever we lynch today if they flip town then BM CAN'T shoot, but if they flip red the hoorah, do people think that korynee seems like a much more compelling case than chaoser at this point? (because we dont have to worry about her not begin on the wagon if we lynch her, in order to be shot)
i mean yeah no one is defending him but maybe that's so they dont look bad? gah there's too much god damn wifom shit in this game
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Korynne is still red, regardless of how chaoser flips. She needs to go, or the mafia get 2x free passes and a flawless win.
Lynching her today is still the best plan.
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Here:
Unvote
##vote korynne
If you two switch, we have the votes since korynne can't switch.
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I still think the chaoser find is stronger, but if he was red, more then 2 people wouldn't have jumped on this bandwagon so fast.
Also, If DTA and citi are red, this gives them a near perfect scenario to win the game. Divine is absolutely right, WIFOM game is annoying. But I guess I dont see why darth would take it off the chaoser list unless he was red. So maybe it would be smart to link up potential teams of mafia.
If chaoser = red then DTA and/or citi
If Korynne = red then maybe LSB?
If BM = red then citi?
I think there is enough info in this thread to make this firmer. Especially since its nearing lylo, mafia will tend to stick together harder for a faster and cleaner win, and if they do it right there is nothing town can do.
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On August 17 2010 08:01 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 07:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
Too many people voting for chaoser...
Despite that post I need to think. Obviously, if we lynch a townie, BM does not use his vigi hit. So that fails.
Alternate plan?
1) Lynch Korynne.
Korynne mafia: we tell BM to shoot someone on the list who we suspect (multiple names!). If two people die, then BM is confirmed townie. If one person dies, we lynch BM - if he's mafia, great, if he's not, we're.. back at lylo I think.
We're at 6-3
Lynch Korynne: 6-2
BM + mafia both hit townies: 4-2, with a confirmed townie (unless mafia hit BM)
BM + mafia hit 1 of ea: 5-1
only one hit: 5-2 --> lynch BM (townie) 4-2, lynch BM (mafia) 5-1.
Korynne townie: we tell BM not to shoot anyone.
6-3
Lynch Korynne: 5-3
Mafia hit someone tonight: 4-3
in which case we're at lylo. This means that Korynne dies today, and BM may/may not shoot one of the Korynne voters tonight. Thoughts? man i totally didnt realize we could lose from this rofl, cause townie plus nk plus vigi is 3 and i thought mafia had to out number town not equal them. However say we lynch anyone today that is town and then it's 5-3, and then say bm announces his hit and they stack with bm's hit or just dont do a hit then it's 4-3, and then if you lynch him because only one person died we lose... or they could obviously just hit someone else and out right end the game if bm follows through with his vigi hit. but obviously if we hit a mob with our lynch it'll be alot better cause then it's like 6-2 and bm can hit anyone and mafia couldnt stack their hit with his because that'd be senseless so it'd probably go to 4-2 or if we get lucky 5-1, which the latter would certainly be winning for us. So i think if we lynch whoever we lynch today if they flip town then BM CAN'T shoot, but if they flip red the hoorah, do people think that korynee seems like a much more compelling case than chaoser at this point? (because we dont have to worry about her not begin on the wagon if we lynch her, in order to be shot) i mean yeah no one is defending him but maybe that's so they dont look bad? gah there's too much god damn wifom shit in this game
First off,
##unvote
Vote Korynne
Hurr.. I need to think.
6-3 right now.
1) Lynch a Townie
Night: 5-3, if BM and mafia hit two targets, then we lose. Therefore, if we lynch a townie today, BM should not hit, and we'll be at 4-3 LYLO. There's no reason why the mafia would stack with BM in this case, when they could just win by hitting an additional target. That said, BM should not hit tonight if we mislynch. Agreed? Worst case scenario is that we're at 4-3 LYLO.
Numbers breakdown:
a) BM and mafia both use their hits.
i) BM and mafia hit separate targets: 3-3, we lose.
aii) BM and mafia hit the same target: 4-3, LYLO, we would probably lynch BM for lying except we wouldn't be able to because he might not be mafia except etc.etc.etc. Basically, bad situation.
b) BM doesn't hit, mafia hit: we're at 4-3, same situation as (aii) but it takes out the possibility of an autolose with (ai).
So (b) is the best choice.
2) Lynch a Mafia
Night: 6-2
a) BM and mafia both hit.
i) Hit separate targets: we're either at 4-2 or 5-1 with a confirmed townie.
ii) Hit same target: we're at 5-2, and we lynch BM for 'lying', putting us at 4-2 that night, 3-2 during the next day (LYLO).
b) BM does not hit.
Mafia hit, we're at 5-2. We lynch BM for 'lying' putting us at either 5-1 or 4-2 that night. 3-2 during the next day.
So obviously, (ai) is ideal, but as you can see, it isn't possible unless BM hits tonight (after a red flip in a couple hours).
Gosh I hope this is right this time.
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On August 17 2010 03:20 DarthThienAn wrote:
Can we lynch bum? :D
wow didnt even see this lol im fairly certain that me stumping would not be helpful unless it would be between me and a certain red. I.E. its either I am red or they are, I will stump. And also, I refuted chaosers only blue role thought, when I was the only vanilla claimed person at the time. Silly reason to lose as mafia because I made a guess on roles. (yeah I remember that all blue town game very well)
Call my bluff, I dare you.
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On August 17 2010 08:42 bumatlarge wrote:
I still think the chaoser find is stronger, but if he was red, more then 2 people wouldn't have jumped on this bandwagon so fast.
Also, If DTA and citi are red, this gives them a near perfect scenario to win the game. Divine is absolutely right, WIFOM game is annoying. But I guess I dont see why darth would take it off the chaoser list unless he was red. So maybe it would be smart to link up potential teams of mafia.
If chaoser = red then DTA and/or citi
If Korynne = red then maybe LSB?
If BM = red then citi?
I think there is enough info in this thread to make this firmer. Especially since its nearing lylo, mafia will tend to stick together harder for a faster and cleaner win, and if they do it right there is nothing town can do.
Reasons why I don't want to vote chaoser:
1) I still read Korynne as mafia.
2) Everyone voted for chaoser so easily. WIFOM, but mafia wouldn't do that when BM was still in the lead. Potentially 3 mafia were all already on BM, but unlikely.
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On August 17 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:wow didnt even see this lol im fairly certain that me stumping would not be helpful unless it would be between me and a certain red. I.E. its either I am red or they are, I will stump. And also, I refuted chaosers only blue role thought, when I was the only vanilla claimed person at the time. Silly reason to lose as mafia because I made a guess on roles. (yeah I remember that all blue town game very well) Call my bluff, I dare you.
It wasn't his thought that made me vote for him. And you refuting him wasn't why I thought you were scummy. I voted for him because he didn't die when he was obviously either blue or red (or lying?) and mafia decided to hit green instead?
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On August 17 2010 08:12 citi.zen wrote:
Here:
Unvote
##vote korynne
If you two switch, we have the votes since korynne can't switch.
if she stays quiet until too close the deadline then you have my vote
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ah nvm i have to leave for a few hours, gotta help my brother organize all his fancy wedding gifts
##unvote
##vote korynne
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I'm really not sure what the vote count is right now. I hope my vote isn't needed.
##vote: abstain
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On August 17 2010 09:12 Scamp wrote:
I'm really not sure what the vote count is right now. I hope my vote isn't needed.
##vote: abstain
Be a good sport and get on the wagon.
Same with everyone else.
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Well, let me take a stab at this then, DTA. We have a DT and medic, and a proclaimed vig. Chaoser didnt say he was, or post anything else, so i think we can pin him as veteran and I believe mafia have also, which is why they didn't hit him. That makes sense now, ok dont lynch chaoser. If we have 1 of each role then I guess that really gives BM alot of town cred, which is hard to give him :/
Im going to put DTA on that town cred list since he made me see it. Divine and citi really backed it hard, so hell lets put them in. Then we have
Korynne did put her PERMA VOTE on chaoser so shes red I think hes not
Korynne
bumatlarge
scamp
LSB
So if I know im not red, that leaves those three so...
Either Korynne scamp and LSB
or its DTA trying to pull off this shit
DTA, citi and divine. Maybe BM?
##unvote
##vote korynne
still find it very suspicious that korynne threw herself under the wheel when mafia are at an advantage.
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Citi I would love to join the wagon but I don't want to waste my votes.
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On August 17 2010 09:12 Scamp wrote:
I'm really not sure what the vote count is right now. I hope my vote isn't needed.
##vote: abstain
does abstaining count against your penalty?
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the mafia will want to keep korynne alive if chaoser isnt mafia
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f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5
If you press it fast enough it sounds like a drum roll!
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On August 17 2010 09:24 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 09:12 Scamp wrote:
I'm really not sure what the vote count is right now. I hope my vote isn't needed.
##vote: abstain does abstaining count against your penalty?
Abstaining does not. That's why I've been doing it pretty much all game.
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Well unless you have 1 vote, you should start using them. We will need you for lylo, so I guess adjust yourself accordingly
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On August 17 2010 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:Well unless you have 1 vote, you should start using them. We will need you for lylo, so I guess adjust yourself accordingly
He voted last lynch cycle.
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Oh my fault, do what you must.
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On August 13 2010 11:32 Korynne wrote:
So like, working on stuff, but like been busy with school and work and things. Sorry, will get around to it. =(
Just noticed that in the team melee thread. Makes me nervous. Let's see that flip already...
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[Final Vote Count]
+ Show Spoiler +Current Leader: Korynne (5)
Bill Murray
citi.zen
DarthThienAn
Divinek
bumatlarge
Bill Murray (2)
chaoser
LSB
chaoser (1)
Korynne
Abstain (1)
Scamp
Not voted yet (0): none.
24hr day extension (put in effect immediately when reached) (3/3): LSB, bumatlarge, Bill Murray Used for today.
flavour post to come later.
Korynne, Dogmatic Townie, is lynched.
Deadline ends at August 18 2010 11:00 KST
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Sorry guys. >.<
I really shouldn't be playing mafia when I don't have enough time to commit to such things...
Totally LVP me this game. >.<
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Like I said. Citi.zen/BM/Divienk
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On August 17 2010 11:26 LSB wrote:
Like I said. Citi.zen/BM/Divienk
like i said chaoser/lsb/scamp
well i didnt actually say that but words can hurt man
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On August 17 2010 11:26 LSB wrote:
Like I said. Citi.zen/BM/Divienk
Ofc BM isnt going to hit someone tonight so he never confirmed this whole game, Id swap out divine for DTA maybe.
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On August 17 2010 11:13 Korynne wrote:
Sorry guys. >.<
I really shouldn't be playing mafia when I don't have enough time to commit to such things...
Totally LVP me this game. >.<
I think everyone on town shares the LVP. I was wrong about... everything thus far.
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If I mishit we lose, unless mafia hit a veteran or we have another penalized doctor
what am i supposed to do?
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@Mod: may i ##vote 24 hour extension for the night?
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On August 17 2010 12:33 Bill Murray wrote:
If I mishit we lose, unless mafia hit a veteran or we have another penalized doctor
what am i supposed to do?
i think it's pretty well given that you can't shoot unless you're 100% gonna hit a mafia, and since we have no where near that amount of certainty shooting is out of the question
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On August 17 2010 12:33 Bill Murray wrote:
If I mishit we lose, unless mafia hit a veteran or we have another penalized doctor
what am i supposed to do?
Chaoser/LSB would make fine targets in my view, but you can't hit them.
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On August 17 2010 12:21 bumatlarge wrote:Ofc BM isnt going to hit someone tonight so he never confirmed this whole game, Id swap out divine for DTA maybe.
Divienk and Citi.zen has never seriously accused someone (well out of day 1) in the Citi.zen/BM/Divienk/DTA group.
I am not so sure about BM and DTA
BM: He gets ganked, and then calls out for lane mates. Citi.zen/Divienk magically show up day 2. His working with them could be more sticking to people that helps him
DTA: We don't have enough info on DTA, DTA just joined in, and natrually he could trust the more active veterans of the game. The problem is, the more active members of the game are the mafia.
Then again, maybe swap out BM for DTA?
Bill Murray
On August 17 2010 12:08 Divinek wrote:like i said chaoser/lsb/scamp well i didnt actually say that but words can hurt man
I'm touched.
On the other hand, chaoser/lsb/scamp didn't push for 3 mislynches... Hmm
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On August 17 2010 12:34 Bill Murray wrote:
@Mod: may i ##vote 24 hour extension for the night?
Deadline extension is not allowed for the night. Sorry >.>
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On August 17 2010 23:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 12:21 bumatlarge wrote:On August 17 2010 11:26 LSB wrote:
Like I said. Citi.zen/BM/Divienk Ofc BM isnt going to hit someone tonight so he never confirmed this whole game, Id swap out divine for DTA maybe. Divienk and Citi.zen has never seriously accused someone (well out of day 1) in the Citi.zen/BM/Divienk/DTA group. I am not so sure about BM and DTA BM: He gets ganked, and then calls out for lane mates. Citi.zen/Divienk magically show up day 2. His working with them could be more sticking to people that helps him DTA: We don't have enough info on DTA, DTA just joined in, and natrually he could trust the more active veterans of the game. The problem is, the more active members of the game are the mafia. Then again, maybe swap out BM for DTA? Bill Murray Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 12:08 Divinek wrote:On August 17 2010 11:26 LSB wrote:
Like I said. Citi.zen/BM/Divienk like i said chaoser/lsb/scamp well i didnt actually say that but words can hurt man I'm touched. On the other hand, chaoser/lsb/scamp didn't push for 3 mislynches... Hmm
Now we're making progress! I accused... everyone except pyrr thus far: ace, young, korynne... You know this. If you want to incriminate me you can do a lot better.
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Okay sure.
Citi.zen actively went after Ace, Youngminii, Korynne, and Choaser
Citi.zen day 1 accused Bill Murray, but afterwards, he became Bill's biggest defender.
Otherwise, he doesn't seem to be making any new attacks
DarthThienAn
On August 16 2010 10:19 DarthThienAn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:Look at this vote list: Show nested quote +youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now. Meaning: * Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed"). * Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red. I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it. That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne. The weekend is here! When I was reading, I leaned Korynne + bumatlarge as red. LSB/chaoser is sort of suspicious as well. + Show Spoiler +On August 14 2010 13:16 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote:##vote korynneOn August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_> This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight. Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol. Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM? Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys. FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen. Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances. I think Ace was right before. Also, when is there NOT a kp role? No vigilante would mean that we have several detectives or something. And balance wise, it only makes sense to have one doctor (1 mafia kp). Based on that, we either have a vigilante or LSB is lying. + Show Spoiler +On August 15 2010 01:20 Korynne wrote:
Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys!
How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight.
Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not.
Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes."
So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm.
Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places. This post deflects a little bit o.O. I kind of like the plan though. Where he shoots you, I mean :D. Minus the part where we leave you alive :D.
That post DarthThienAn accuses Me/Korynne/bumatlarge/Chaoser. I know that I, Korynne, and Bum are all green. Chaoser is the wildcard in the list, but with 3/4 already wrong, I'm more inclined to believe that Choaser is green
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I think it's assumed chaoser is veteran or another blue role. Who first LSB?
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Okay sure.
Citi.zen actively went after Ace, Youngminii, Korynne, and Choaser
Citi.zen day 1 accused Bill Murray, but afterwards, he became Bill's biggest defender.
Otherwise, he doesn't seem to be making any new attacks
If you want to criticize me, say I was wrong 100% of the time this game, that's totally fair. You could also point out mistakes I made - there are plenty of those.
Don't just say I "don't seem to be been making any new attacks" - that's a half assed attempt to spread doubt, and an obvious lie.
Don't get me wrong though, if you're red you did very well this game.
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I'd say lynch Citi.zen tomorrow.
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On August 18 2010 05:22 LSB wrote:
I'd say lynch Citi.zen tomorrow.
Of course you would.
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By the way, nice job staying off the lynch wagon every night so Bill can't hit you.
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Sorry charlie, have fun trying to convince the town to lynch LSB!
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I think citi.zen is trying to say that killing innocents is a good thing.
A little confession to help solidify the vote tomorrow?
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I just don't see who could be the godfather with the remaining people left
maybe citi.zen, but his play has been different than his play as red to me, which makes me suspect a newer player like LSB or DarthThienAn who is "up and coming" for godfather... well, not DTA, actually, because Jayme isn't that type of player.
When I die, don't let me death go unpunished guys
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On August 18 2010 05:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Sorry charlie, have fun trying to convince the town to lynch LSB!
Glad you're so sure of yourself.
No point trying to persuade you of anything. Please, in future games, don't ask random people to tell you what to do. Invest the time to think for yourself.
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On August 18 2010 06:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I just don't see who could be the godfather with the remaining people left
maybe citi.zen, but his play has been different than his play as red to me, which makes me suspect a newer player like LSB or DarthThienAn who is "up and coming" for godfather... well, not DTA, actually, because Jayme isn't that type of player.
When I die, don't let me death go unpunished guys
Well... there is no godfather.
I'll explain tomorrow morning (if I'm still alive). Basically my role revolved on taking out the godfather, however, there was no godfather, so I got a bastard role.
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On August 18 2010 06:53 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 05:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Sorry charlie, have fun trying to convince the town to lynch LSB! Glad you're so sure of yourself. No point trying to persuade you of anything. Please, in future games, don't ask random people to tell you what to do. Invest the time to think for yourself.
Yeah maybe you should go back a few pages, DTA was a fresh take on the game, but all that talk and we're basically screwed anyway? I'll just resort to what I feel thank you very much. It just so happens LSB feels the sameway.
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On August 18 2010 07:25 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 06:53 citi.zen wrote:On August 18 2010 05:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Sorry charlie, have fun trying to convince the town to lynch LSB! Glad you're so sure of yourself. No point trying to persuade you of anything. Please, in future games, don't ask random people to tell you what to do. Invest the time to think for yourself. Yeah maybe you should go back a few pages, DTA was a fresh take on the game, but all that talk and we're basically screwed anyway? I'll just resort to what I feel thank you very much. It just so happens LSB feels the sameway.
Just :-)
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On August 18 2010 07:39 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 07:25 bumatlarge wrote:On August 18 2010 06:53 citi.zen wrote:On August 18 2010 05:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Sorry charlie, have fun trying to convince the town to lynch LSB! Glad you're so sure of yourself. No point trying to persuade you of anything. Please, in future games, don't ask random people to tell you what to do. Invest the time to think for yourself. Yeah maybe you should go back a few pages, DTA was a fresh take on the game, but all that talk and we're basically screwed anyway? I'll just resort to what I feel thank you very much. It just so happens LSB feels the sameway. Just :-)
...Thanks too my legendary rhetorical skills!
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well who else is blue with me honestly
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there has to be 4 other people on my side
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Oh, we thought you were asking about Blue. Well of course we're green
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everyone, give your top 3 suspects
LSB
Scamp
bumatlarge
I feel like an idiot saying that there was a godfather earilier when there isn't one. That shows how unorganized we have been as a town. I am a hair away from sending my vigilante hit in, but I really don't want to be the sole reason we have lost this game, so I'm torn.
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if only LSB was on the korynne wagon
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On August 18 2010 10:16 Bill Murray wrote:
if only LSB was on the korynne wagon
There was a good reason why I wasn't on the korynne wagon.
She didn't seem like scum, the reason why people killed her was for saying things that many people believed.
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Many people believe that we didn't walk on the moon, too
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It doesn't matter if she was wrong or right. All that matters is that she flipped town. And apparently, you... don't... care...
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On August 18 2010 10:47 LSB wrote:
It doesn't matter if she was wrong or right. All that matters is that she flipped town. And apparently, you... don't... care...
You're making so many bad arguments today, it's an amazing transformation. Of course, it probably won't matter since bum + the other 2 mafia give you enough votes.
La-la-la~
When's the night post?
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oh man, night's over. Finally
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[DAY 4 POST]
flavour post to come when I have time. One day. Oh yes, one day... My God the internet speed is torturous in my computer
LSB, Ambitious Detective/Vanilla Townie, is killed.
The deadline ends at August 21 2010 11:29 KST
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Awww. I was just going to use my 250th post to lynch someone right after you posted that
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here goes guys, I was a daytime vigi but could only kill someone I voted on. Messed up day 2 by not voting, my bad, was driving someone to airport and forgot. This is my do or die move I guess.
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lol wow this is interesting
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Bill Murray, Mafia Goon, is shot!
Sorry for the ridiculous modding update guys, the wireless internet in crapping out on me and it takes a page more than a minute to load even when I have a connection =/ As regards to chaoser, Iets just say post-game mod note will be very interesting.
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jesus christ about time lol
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Wow Chaoser. Doesn't matter if BM is town or not, but that took some balls.
 Chaoser
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my bad for this late call =\
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*was, Looks like you were correct!
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probably(100%) put the town in a shitty hole, was going to shoot him last day but didn't vote and fucked up.
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Doesn't matter. You probably saved the town.
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also why I lied about my penalty, if i said i could only action someone if I voted for them that'd probably give away my role lol
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5. citi.zen Suicidal
7. Divinek Unwary If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night
9. bumatlarge Equivocating Treestump Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
10. Scamp Lazy Limited amount of votes
11. DarthThienAn Goth
The last remaining ones with adjectives/penalties. About to go analyse everything.
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I left myself off cause i'm confirmed obviously. So there's 3 town in there and 2 mafia so we have decent chances even just randomly, add in analysis and we stand a good chance to win I think. Today is lylo right?
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I'mma FoS citi.zen for now and I'll post my report tomorrow, gotta wake up early to check out housing in philly
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Good game guys. I am very happy with my play this game.
I would have had you guys if it wasn't for those meddling kids... and that dog of theirs
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FUCK YEAH CHAOSER
ROFL WTF ok
##vote citizen
man i was so sure you were vet, but in the end i think that screwed with the reds since they didnt want to hit you, and you didnt stand against BM. regardless of what you should have done, I think we are grateful now. Scamp time to whip out the votes?
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On August 18 2010 12:08 chaoser wrote:
I left myself off cause i'm confirmed obviously. So there's 3 town in there and 2 mafia so we have decent chances even just randomly, add in analysis and we stand a good chance to win I think. Today is lylo right?
Yes it is lylo.
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On August 18 2010 13:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Good game guys. I am very happy with my play this game.
I would have had you guys if it wasn't for those meddling kids... and that dog of theirs
I thought you played very well, but you did get really lucky with the whole pyrr/ace situation lol
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On August 18 2010 12:43 chaoser wrote:
I'mma FoS citi.zen for now and I'll post my report tomorrow, gotta wake up early to check out housing in philly
NO NEED
since it looks like citi.zen is going to die i might as well confirm your suspicions and guarantee us a sure hit, so he can't sway your heart with his devilish tongue, because i will surely be the night kill as a result
first of all my role is
Unwary Tracker
My visit list goes like this
Night1:
Ace :/, i coulda confirmed him the day after if he hadn't been hit
Night 2:
Bum
he didnt visit anyone so he is cleared
Night 3:
citi.zen
my message read loud and clear that he killed/visited (the message reads killed) LSB this very night
now you ask, wtf divine are you stupid why would you claim when he's probably gonna die anyways and you could keep tracking!
well let me tell you my unfortunate penalty
when we lynch a mafia, they get my fucking role that very night, because i was too unwary or whatever and revealed my identity when following them. Pretty harsh i know, but it seems reasonable given there's only 3 reds and we seemed to already have 2 fucking dts rofl. (well i guess pyrr was reasonably only gonna get 1 check in, maybe two, and lsb just turned dt or something?)
oh ill justify my tracking targets
ace: good player should be self explanatory
bum: bum is my brosif and id have loved if he flipped red and i could nail him, sadly he didnt
you might ask why not bm divine he was so obvious!!! well this is my first time playing a role like this, and i felt he was surely going to get himself fucking killed some how whether by lynch or vigi role (that and im partly beleived alot of his insanity because im an idiot), because we HAD to have a vigi, and surely enough we did
thx chaoser.
and citi.zen check? i dunno enough people were suspicious of him that i looked at him a little more and noticed he tended to show just too much information
hopefully this has helped enough to give you another confirmed townie, (who would doubt bum anyways right rofl)
a guarantee kill today brings us to
4v1 and then i die most likely so 3v1, YOU GOT THIS TOWN
also holy shit at the amount of blues this game, even though lsb was green for the most part
tl;dr citizen is mafia vote for him or im going to fucking hate you forever :/
thank god my net came back up it was down for nearly a god damn day
##vote citi.zen
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On August 18 2010 14:12 bumatlarge wrote:
FUCK YEAH CHAOSER
ROFL WTF ok
##vote citizen
man i was so sure you were vet, but in the end i think that screwed with the reds since they didnt want to hit you, and you didnt stand against BM. regardless of what you should have done, I think we are grateful now. Scamp time to whip out the votes?
hopefully i just saved scamp one of his precious votes
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Alrighty, I went through the thread again and made some connections.
Bm and citi are paired at the hip, so I definitely believe divine that he is indeed mafia. Now look at darth's posts when he came into the game. Look at the FoS lists and suspects. I would seem darth BM and citi were looking for a perfect game here, to get lylo ASAP. And when BM nearly screws himself over in the beginning, the only 2 people besides ace who were completely detaching themselves from BM were citi and jayme. Jayme claimed a "guilty" penalty, which sounds an awful lot like miller. IIRC, town lynches millers on policy but I'll have to check tomorrow on divine's posts to be sure.
While i was very skeptical at first of 2 DTs, if you look at the penalties of both, it's more like two halves to a whole. When a red gets lynched, as in right now, hes forced to claim, and get killed if medic isnt around. Pyrr doesnt get any results until 2 days later, effectively taking up divines place. With all these penalties, like vote restriction and some blue penalties meant to lead mafia to blues, I can believe it.
So citi.zen and DarthTheinAn are red in my book.
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I'm glad we finally have an easy day.
##Vote Citi.zen
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OMG I TOTALLY KNEW IT!
Except like, was too lazy to pull a train on citi.zen.
I would have ideally tried to get citi.zen lynched and then have BM vigi me at night.
So fucking called it! (It was a crazy attempt BM and citi.zen, and that sounds good and all, but like, definitely saw it. xD)
*dancedance* Gut feelings ftw.
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There was a vigilante all this time, yet you let BM live??? WTF were you smoking... it cost the town the game: I am green but you guys will lynch me anyway thanks to Divinek's nice fake-claim play.
My role is Suicidal Townie, if I get the 2nd highest number of votes on any given day I will be lynched in place of the player having highest number of votes.
None of that matters now, the game's over.
##vote Divinek
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Never mind... just saw your penalty & explanation Chaoser. Very unfortunate penalty & one day delay.
Oh well, it is what it is. Well played mafia.
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DEAD PEOPLE STAY DEAD *bang bang bang*
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##Vote: citi.zen
It's all wifom, but Scamp is the other red, not me. >>.
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There are no way for town to win as citi.zen claimed his penalty; the game ends in MAFIA VICTORY!
chaoser, citi.zen, bumatlarge and DarthThienAn is killed in the ensuing fight but they are not able to overcome the firepower of Scamp and Divinek who are both armed with a gun. The fact they no longer could coordinate properly did not exacerbate matters either. Bill Murray, mastermind of the mafia team, may be dead, but their teammates successfully avenge him toward moral victory and Penaville, once a peaceful town, falls silent under the grasp of darkness...
ROLE PMS
1. youngminii -> Selfish Townie
youngminii, you are Selfish Townie. As your name indicates, unlike your fellow compatriots who can strive for moral town victory in death, you would very much like to be alive. At night you can choose to visit one person; if you are about to die, the person you picked will die instead (does not work if you have targeted mafia). Your ability is prioritized over medic protections.
You win when all mafia dies AND you are alive.
Ex) You visit A and mafia hit you, A dies in your place (even if A is being medic protected). You visit B and mafia hits you, and B is mafia. You die instead of B.
2. chaoser -> Obvious Day-Vigilante
chaoser, you are Obvious Day-Vigilante. During the day you can shoot one player to death without ending the day by writing "##Kill: [player]" (only once in a game). However, you also have pretty obvious personality. You reserve your precious shot for someone you believe are scum, and you like to have everyone know of it. You can only kill the player you were voting when the previous days ended.
You win when all mafia dies.
Ex) You were voting A when d1 vote ended, and C when d2 vote ended. At d3 you can only shoot A and C, and cannot shoot B you were not voting at the end of prior days.
3. Pandain -> Dogmatic Townie
Pandain, you are Dogmatic Townie. You are very dogmatic and think you are better than everyone else. Thus when you make a vote, you will no longer be able to change your vote until the day ends. You also cannot vote Abstain.
You win when all mafia dies.
(Since the role discourages placeholder vote, even if you are mod-killed it will not result in any penalties in other games that may follow.)
Ex) You vote C, you cannot Unvote anymore. At the start of new day you are once again free to vote anyone you want.
4. Ace -> Nytophobic Doctor Ace, you are Nytophobic Doctor. Every night you can protect someone other than yourself from mafia hit. However, you are too scared of the dark to move around the night and has to choose your target during the day. At the night post mod will announce who the doctor is protecting. Because of mafia has only one KP in this setup, mafia can bypass your protection by forfeiting their KP at the next night. The fact you used your action will be posted in night thread in following format (subjectable to change): Show nested quote +Doctor is seen moving toward residence of [player] to protect him/her the night!
The Mafia can bypass his protection and kill the protected player by forfeiting their KP at the next night. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) You choose to protect A during the day, everyone knows you are protecting A by public announcement. Mafia wants to kill A n1, and does so. Mafia has no kill power in n2.
5. citi.zen -> Suicidal Townie
citi.zen, you are Suicidal Townie. You are rather depressed and is willing to kill yourself should the opportunity arrive. At the end of the day, if you have the second highest number of votes, you will be lynched in place of the player having highest number of votes.
You win when all mafia dies.
Ex) At end of the day A has 8 vote and you have 5 vote. You are lynched instead of A.
6. Bill Murray -> Mafia Goon
7. Divinek -> Mafia Goon
8. zeks -> Pitiful Townie
zeks, you are Pitiful Townie. You always attract everyone's pity and sympathy, and although it is not enough to protect you from lynch, when you are lynched and your innocence revealed the town will be enraged enough that one automatic vote will thereafter be placed upon one of your lynchers for the duration of the game.
You win when all mafia dies.
Ex) A, B, C, and D lynches you. B is randomly selected. A "bot vote" is placed on the B at the start of every day, putting his vote count +1.
9. bumatlarge -> Equivocating Townie bumatlarge, you are Equivocating Townie. Any time during the day you can choose to tree-stump( explanation). However, if you do so you will be added to mafia # instead of Town #. Your win condition is pro-town regardless of your condition. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) Current # of town player = 9, Current # of mafia player = 3. You tree-stump. Current # of town player = 8, Current # of mafia player = 4.
10. Scamp -> Mafia Goon
11. Jayme -> Goth Miller
Jayme, you are Goth Miller. Not are you only unbelievably scummy, you also have crazy hobby of visiting the dead to observe them in morbid fascination. As consequence all investigate PR roles (Detective, Tracker, Watcher etc.) will get guilty verdict on you.
You win when all mafia dies.
Ex) A is killed. DT and Tracker targets you and receive 'guilty' and 'you visited A!'. Watcher also happened to watch A that night and get 'you visited A!'.
12. LSB -> Ambitious Detective
LSB, you are Ambitious Detective. Every night you can investigate one player to learn his/her alignment. You are very focused on catching leader of mafia which will give you promotion and reputation; even if you investigate Godfather, you will receive Mafia verdict instead of Town. However you are so focused on catching Godfather that if you investigate normal Mafia you will just get Town verdict.
Ex) A is Godfather and B is Mafia Goon. You get 'Mafia' on A and 'Town' on B.
*Mod note: There is no Godfather, bastard role. When cautious detective is killed loses his penalty (become VI and is informed of his misconception) and get one 100% verified alignment check that can only be used in the night following the death of his partner.
13. Pyrrhuloxia -> Cautious Detective
Pyrrhuloxia, you are Cautious Detective. Every night you can investigate one player to learn his/her alignment. However, you are very cautious and takes excessive precautions in order to ensure investigation's validity. Due to meticulous check-up the investigation goes through it takes more time in order for it to be completed. You will receive your investigation result at the end of following night.
You win when all mafia dies.
Ex) Investigate A n1, get result of the investigation at start of d3.
*Mod note: When Ambitious Detective dies, is given choice between losing his penalty (become normal Detective) OR abandoning his ability (become VI) to get one 100% verified alignment check that can be used the night following the death of his partner.
MAFIA GOON Bill Murray / Divinek / Scamp, you are Mafia Goon. You can privately talk to each other during the night. You as a group also may decide who to kill every night. You also do not have any penalties by the way. You do not have Godfather role either. You win when your number outnumber or is equal to the surviving town-aligned players. KP = 1 Following are the fakeclaims you may choose to use without conflicting with other players: _________________ [Player]. you are Amateur Tracker. You can pick a player during the night and will know who target visited that night. You can only use your ability three times in a game; you will get one guilty result, one innocent result, and one actual result in random order. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) You target A, B, and C and get "C visited [killed player]" regardless of his role, "A visited no one" regardless of his role, and one truthful result on B. [Player], you are Lazy Townie. You can only vote once in entire game (vote made during day don't count as long as you unvote before day ends). Number of votes you can make in a game increases by 1 every time the mafia is successfully lynched. You do have to vote Abstain to avoid no vote mod-kill. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) You are voting A when d1 ends, has to vote "Abstain" on d2 where Townie is lynched and d3 where Mafia is lynched. Since mafia was lynched in d3 you get one additional vote you can use in d4 or any subsequent days. [Player], you are Friendly Townie. You are friend and Enabler ( explanation) for one of the PR in this game. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) You die, one of the PR - predetermined - loses his/her ability if still alive. [Player], you are Unwary Veteran. You have two night lives but temporarily loses your power for a night if mafia was just lynched as you unwisely put your guard down. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) A - scum - is lynched d1. If mafia hit you n1, you die spite of having two night lives. [Player], you are High Townie. You are always high and fume affects those visiting you too. Any investigative PR roles (Detective, Tracker, Watcher) visiting you during the night will get random result next night. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) DT visits you n1 at get 'Town', but can potentially get either 'Town' or 'Mafia' n2 regardless of who he/she investigates. [Player], you are Shy Townie. You avoid confrontation with other people, and thus cannot vote player who is voting you at the time of your vote. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) A is voting you, you cannot vote A. You vote A which A counters by voting you- this scenario is not penalty violation since you voted A when he/she wasn't voting you. [Player], you are Moral Townie. You despise filthy act of lynching people and try to dissuade people from doing so. When you are lynched, people will feel guilty and remember your philosophy. The town cannot lynch anyone following the day you were lynched. You win when all mafia dies. Ex) you are lynched d2, town cannot lynch d3. [Player], you are Amnesiac Townie. For life of you you can't remember what is wrong with you. You also must visit someone every night but you won't know what you did (If no PM is sent the target will be randomly picked). You win when all mafia dies. Ex) You do something, get penalty warning, then you better try really hard to figure out what you did wrong and reverse it/avoid doing it again. _________________ You are also free to make up fake claims any time but safety is not guaranteed in that case.
NIGHT ACTIONS
Night 1
youngminii (Selfish Townie) visits Bill Murray.
LSB (Ambitious Detective) loses his penalty and get 100% verified alignment check due to Pyrrhuloxia's death.
LSB checks bumatlarge and get Town result.
Mafia hits Ace.
Night 2
Mafia hits zeks
Night 3
Mafia hits LSB
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Basically the entire setup revolved around getting clears (at a moment there should at least be two confirmed townies in some point of the game) and reducing the pool of unconfirmed players instead of it being based around single overpowered role. I'll explain specifically later.
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On August 10 2010 08:17 citi.zen wrote:
Scumhunt. Right.
##Vote Ace
Probably the turning point in the game, I was an idiot. That vote saved BM from a day 1 lynch and killed pyrr instead. From then on, with each extra day BM lived he became more "confirmed" to me... spiraling into one wrong decision after another.
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Thanks for hosting Hesmyrr.
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Eh. gg. >>. Nice last move by Divinek to end it, but it was probably gg without his trick anyway.
The whole BM-Ace-Pyrr thing in the beginning was so lulzy.
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Nice move Divinek!
BTW Citi.zen grtz on becoming a dt.
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On August 18 2010 22:44 LSB wrote:
Nice move Divinek!
BTW Citi.zen grtz on becoming a dt.
At first I read detective. I was like, wait did you transfer your powers to him?
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Woah DarthThienAn became a Dark Templar too!
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On August 18 2010 22:49 LSB wrote:
Woah DarthThienAn became a Dark Templar too!
I spent the last like 12 hours blogging and not posting. lol. ^^
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So, did Ace have a hidden ability?
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On August 18 2010 23:12 citi.zen wrote:
So, did Ace have a hidden ability?
Of course not
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My role wasn't good for a small setup so I was kind of screwed. Anyway let me explain what I had happening in my head on day 1:
I looked at my role and literally said lol ok this won't be good if I ever use it unless we have some kind of role that's overpowered for the town, this is where my "there has to be some kind of overpowered town role" came into effect. From this I started thinking about a neutral game of town/dt/medic/vigilante vs scum (with a roleblocker). Of course I have no idea there are just 3 straight scum but that didn't change the outcome: I had a 0-0 meaning neutral in terms of town-scum strength. When I thought about my role I was assuming I had to be a weak doctor, meaning if I protected any anti-town player I would die that night which is what I was trying to explain to the town Day 1 about possibly having a broken role. This is why I said it could be very good or very bad.
I put myself as -1 for the town side, meaning using my powers is a loss for the town more than a gain. As soon as I saw bumatlarge's penalty I actually added -2 for him (probably even -3 was more accurate) because his penalty was super bad. In fact I almost thought he might have been scum because that was kind of out there. This had the town score at -3-0 and I already was set firm in the idea something had to give on the town side to even it up.
When zeks claimed it was either a +1 for the town or -1/0 for the town. That's why I asked zeks if his penalty of someone getting a permanent +1 vote on his wagon said it went to someone or town. This was super important because if it said town zeks getting lynched would automatically confirm a townie because the next day they could vote and you'd see +2 votes on the tally. Once he admitted it said person I went v_v because that means a townie or scum on the wagon could get the vote, which means no confirmed townie which is a +1 for us. It didn't so I had put a -1 down bringing us to -4. The only way it would be a 0 is if a townie did indeed get the +1 vote. However if bumatlarge was legit AND actually stumped, and zeks got lynched and the mafia got the vote that was automatically gg. At this point I was pretty certain the town had to have some kind of epic murder role: A vigilante with an ability to kill more than one scum, a detective that could get multiple scum, or me being a weak doc that could confirm pro-town players by protecting them and not dying at night.
This brought me to an interesting dilemma because I REALLY didn't want to use my powers. I was debating hard whether to gamble protecting someone and revealing the protection (leading to my death) or not doing it and letting the scum not know a medic would probably protect me. I pm'd Hessmyr too late anyway when I finally decided that I should act on my hunch of being a Weak Doc though.
But back to how Day 1 played out - this was a classic case of people thinking I'm scummy because of some hidden idea I want their roles. I had already shown that essentially everyone has a role - there is no "blue" role. I just wanted everyone to claim penalties so you could HOLD everyone to their penalties and kill off the liars asap. This was a huge argument which was only surprising because I never thought of Pyrr as someone who would misread what I was saying so many times in a row and jump to conclusions. Along with him trying to find out Bill Murray's penalty early in the day, and then rejecting a mass penalty claim I just didn't think he was being legit. I actually thought he was better than that so I figured no way a pro-town Pyrr could be this ridiculous.
LSB was doing the same thing as Pyrr but being even more ridiculously scared of a penalty claim.
citizen was being citizen which means any game I'm in he argues about any plan I propose. I think this is the third time we've both been pro-town and he's argued about a plan I made up. Of course this didn't really set off my scumdar at all.
At the end of Day 1 before the lynch my suspect list was like this:
Pyrr (definite scum)
Bill Murray(definite scum)
LSB(highly possible)
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everyone else I didn't bother to read too much into yet. The only thing about Day 2 that shocked me is that nobody went back to the lynch Bill Murray train. Really what the hell happened here? This is probably the first really big town mistake that happened during the game. The second was Bill Murray claiming he was a vigilante and not shooting the first night he got a chance - that should have been the kicker right there if anyone had doubts. Of course chaoser missed his chance to shoot BM Day 2 but that doesn't explain why no one made a grand effort to right the ship and go back to Day 1.
But scum deserve lots of credit for managing to not only get Bill Murray to survive after being caught lying TWICE but also just watching town kill ourselves. Even at the end of the game I had no idea that Scamp was scum because trying to figure out what the hell was going on with the votes was too confusing. Add in the fact that I couldn't even believe some of the penalties I just figured someone with a crazy penalty had to be lying. Turns out Scamp's penalty of having limited votes,which isn't even that bad at all and was one of the most harmless penalties was a fake claim. Maybe thinking against the grain was the only way to win this game.
EDIT: @Hessmyrr - How was the town going to clear anyone? Between a detective that has to wait 2 days before checks, a second detective who is a gimp that relies on the first detective dying (the semi-useful one)and a medic that has to telegraph protections how is the town confirming anything? By the time Pyrr gets a check we're on DAY 3 and EVEN then he has to be right about his check. Assuming he's even right and all the usual chaos of believing him as a detective comes out and he gets the right lynch he's going to die the next night. This is also assuming I haven't been killed yet either. Pretty much you need both the medic and the DT to survive to get just the DT confirmed and then you have to pray the DT is right AND you have to hope he survives the night. That is a lot to ask for.
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Hmmm... I guess then the doctor role was just really weakened - the mafia can choose to hit a non-protected person every time. Since there are no clear ways to confirm people in this set-up (other than the day-vigi), was this nerf necessary?
I must be missing some possibilities here...
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I have my setup notes turked away somewhere and can't find it so my thoughts on some of the game's most prominent players coming first.
Post game mod notes
Bill Murray is definitely Mafia MVP. He turned what could have been terrible blow to mafia, scum lynched d1, and managed to survive far longer than he should by taking refugee in risky self-made claims that literally polarized the town in half (quite an accomplishment since it would mean the Townies in opposing sides would go after each other while other two mafia member I think took somewhat an neutral position). His decision to kill Ace night one saved the town from having a comeback as the chance of Ace, chaoser, youngminii, and bumatlarge being placed on "Confirmed/Likely Confirmed" list on the subsequent day was highly like had he not done so. Of course everyone's meta perception of BM as bad player and strong hand of luck - Pyrrhuloxia/Ace conflict and chaoser going afk - played critical part, but I suppose the end justifies the means.
I award thee Best Serpentine Trophy!
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chaoser made two critical mistakes that harmed the town, I think. One - forgetting to vote Bill Murray day two - was simply an matter of bad luck (albeit preventable) but I am curious if chaoser seriously contemplated roleclaiming day three instead of voting Bill Murray. I was of opinion that just roleclaiming then would have helped immensely.
Following the plan, the town ended up in lylo 4-2 position. However I hypothesize that should chaoser have claimed before the day ended, vote BM, and persuade town to lynch someone else, it might have been much better. First because of the way BM pushed on Korynne most would be persuaded of her innocence, and secondly voting for someone else rather than Korynne (which chaoser must have known was inno since BM was fakeclaiming) would have given a chance opportunity to lynch mafia instead of wasting mislynch and bringing the town down to lylo. Then scum has to kill choaser since he is going to shoot Bill Murray, and the chaoser flip should be enough to get him lynched the next day.
LSB played pretty well, made decent posts and was active, though I am bit curious why he did not reveal his town investigation in bumatlarge when he got it. I don't think there was reason to conceal it since he had essentially lost his ability anyway, so I think optimal strategy might have been to give off blatant detective tells by making obvious breadcrumbs that bumatlarge was town. That was exactly what he did but this post kind of confused me:
On August 18 2010 06:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 06:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I just don't see who could be the godfather with the remaining people left
maybe citi.zen, but his play has been different than his play as red to me, which makes me suspect a newer player like LSB or DarthThienAn who is "up and coming" for godfather... well, not DTA, actually, because Jayme isn't that type of player.
When I die, don't let me death go unpunished guys Well... there is no godfather. I'll explain tomorrow morning (if I'm still alive). Basically my role revolved on taking out the godfather, however, there was no godfather, so I got a bastard role.
Why? Even if you do not state you had 100% proof on bumatlarge's innocence, you fliping detective would have been enough for town to deduce bum was likely town who were checked. But by stating you had bastard role and nothing more, you put some holes in the bumatlarge's veracity. Now even if you were dead, one could argue all that breadcrumbing is meaningless because LSB had bastard role and had no way of knowing bumatlarge's alignment. The fact you died immediately didn't help matters either =/
Still, one of the players I liked.
Next to come in my thoughts are... Ace. What a worst role to get! xD Considering he has high chance of being killed when given opportunity, his aggressiveness is somewhat justified, and I suspect he was trying to paint himself in bad lights as much as possible too. Attempt to outthink the mod severally inhibited his ability though (look at role PM, amount of caution I took to make mechanic speculation is simply ridiculous. I put in Suicidal Townie for sole reason of making mass penalty claim fail) and I agreed with his decision to push on Pyrrhuloxia even when he revealed his role, exactly because of his penalty. Becuase Ace bured his bridges by claiming that his role was communicated, by protecting him mafia would just know Ace is doctor and hit him n1 and Pyrr n2 so no investigation could have come off him anyway. Don't know how the game would have gone if he survived to day two, except that probably massive town circle would have formed as long as chaoser wasn't too trigger happy.
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On August 18 2010 23:20 citi.zen wrote:
Hmmm... I guess then the doctor role was just really weakened - the mafia can choose to hit a non-protected person every time. Since there are no clear ways to confirm people in this set-up (other than the day-vigi), was this nerf necessary?
I must be missing some possibilities here...
I think the doctor is more for protection. He're what I think Hesmyrr was thinking.
Day 1, random person gets killed
Day 2, Pyrr goes check someone, finds if they are green or red. Claims DT.
Ace's role was to protect Pyrr. If the mafia decided to hit Pyrr, they'd have to waste the next nights role. Either way, that should create at 2 confirmed townies.
Confirmed Townie 1: Ace, Hesmyrr's post in the night automatically gets him confirmed
When Pyrr dies, whoever he checks will be confirmed, so that would leave 2 Confirmed Townies
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If I survived Day 2 I was going straight for Bill Murray, I never thought he was innocent, more so Pyrr was really just more obvious scum than he was.
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I'll make more detailed statement later on, but this is essentially tl;dr.
Nytophobic Doctor and Obvious Day-Vigilante can mod verify themselves and is immediate clear when push comes to shove.
Ambitious Detective/Cautious Detective pair can likely get at least one confirmed investigation off, and if he claim DT while doing so that is two player in likely town list.
Essentially the game should be split into "Confirmed/Likely confirmed townie" and "unconfirmed". Doctor should only use his ability to protect those in the former group, and diminishing mafia ability to reduce the # of players in the first group. Obvious Day-Vigilante can also help to reduce the # of players in unconfirmed pool by shooting.
I mentioned the hypothetical Ace/chaoser/LSB/bumatlarge group in the above post of mine. That's exactly how it should have worked. Had Ace survived, chaoser claims and reveal his intent to shoot Ace, and Ace subsequently fully claims also (or vice versa). Because both are mod-verifiable, their lynch should be delayed and chaoser would vote for someone in the "unconfirmed" pool while Ace protect him. Because two clear town roles are in open, LSB would also claim and reveal his bumatlarge investigation.
("Likely confirmed")Townie-Mafia
Day 2: (4)4-3 Bill Murray lynched.
Even in worst scenario is mis-vig and Ace is sniped
Day 3: (3)3-2
even in random voting town has chance of getting mafia 44%. That's not bad position at all.
Edit: It is more dependent on luck than I like, but generally there was at least two "clear" townies at some point in a game to prevent it from getting too lopsided. Overall as I had to cook up 13-player setup within few days, I am not that much ashamed of it
On the other hand, I would appreciate it if everyone gave an input on my setup so I can find a way to improve my performance on modding future games.
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On August 18 2010 23:27 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 23:20 citi.zen wrote:
Hmmm... I guess then the doctor role was just really weakened - the mafia can choose to hit a non-protected person every time. Since there are no clear ways to confirm people in this set-up (other than the day-vigi), was this nerf necessary?
I must be missing some possibilities here... I think the doctor is more for protection. He're what I think Hesmyrr was thinking. Day 1, random person gets killed Day 2, Pyrr goes check someone, finds if they are green or red. Claims DT. Ace's role was to protect Pyrr. If the mafia decided to hit Pyrr, they'd have to waste the next nights role. Either way, that should create at 2 confirmed townies. Confirmed Townie 1: Ace, Hesmyrr's post in the night automatically gets him confirmed When Pyrr dies, whoever he checks will be confirmed, so that would leave 2 Confirmed Townies
Which would come down to lots of luck
1.)Pyrr would need to find scum with his DT check or else no point in claiming
2.) He'd then have to convince the town about this
3.)Both of us would have to survive
4.)Assuming this all happens, surely Mafia is going to trade their KP of the next night and shoot Pyrr or bank on the fact that he's going to only find a townie and shoot someone else.
5.)If I roleclaim early that I'm protecting Pyrr, they shoot me. If Pyrr's next investigation results in town they shoot him the next night and now we are just down to 1 confirmed townie and 2 scum.
And this is if everything goes right. I don't see how thats such a major advantage to the town here.
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On August 18 2010 23:32 Hesmyrr wrote:
I mentioned the hypothetical Ace/chaoser/LSB/bumatlarge group in the above post of mine. That's exactly how it should have worked. Had Ace survived, chaoser claims and reveal his intent to shoot Ace, and Ace subsequently fully claims also (or vice versa). Because both are mod-verifiable, their lynch should be delayed and chaoser would vote for someone in the "unconfirmed" pool while Ace protect him. Because two clear town roles are in open, LSB would also claim and reveal his bumatlarge investigation.
Ah! I see.
As for Bum, I didn't bother claiming because he was never under much suspicion, and I didn't want him to get nightkilled, since I liked knowing who one of the townies was. I was planning on claiming and explaining everything day 4, but I got killed so that's that.
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Anyway thanks to everyone for playing my first modded game in TeamLiquid! It could have been far better - especially disappointed about my inability to produce flavour text in time, wireless internet getting kaputt every night did not help matters either - but it was valuable experience for me.
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I actually liked the premise of the setup. I just think the town penalties were a little too harsh (in order to stop roleclaims you gutted some of the roles). Maybe needs more players for it all to work out better.
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On August 18 2010 23:39 Hesmyrr wrote:
Anyway thanks to everyone for playing my first modded game in TeamLiquid! It could have been far better - especially disappointed about my inability to produce flavour text in time, wireless internet getting kaputt every night did not help matters either - but it was valuable experience for me.
Thanks for hosting! It was a fun concept that everyone got some sort of power, good or bad.
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Also EXTRA (I wrote this up when I thought chaoser might get lynched)
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Meeting takes place on the open street, as no one wanted to go back to the building that so greatly reminded them of their failures. New location- new beginning. Of course that was the official explanation, but everyone knew better: being on an open location, with many building nearby to flee for shelter should things turn sour, prevented the likelihood of oneself meeting youngminii's fate themselves.
The suspicion was openly shared; most stood far away from each other, close enough to hear each other but not enough for somebody to pull an surprise attack. Some even cradled improvised melee weapon on their hands, steel pipe, kitchen knife, baseball bat. Some of the individuals who stood most threateningly were previously the one arguing against the irrational paranoia. It was clear moral order was breaking down on this former happy town, those who just preferred to kill everyone else instead of talking over steadily and firmly increasing.
On such tense atmosphere it is nearly impossible to get any debate going, but it is soon apparent the town had caught an lucky break. A two-man group hiding in the building has seen chaoser move stealthily across the street with firearm in his possession through the window. The accused complains as he immediately stand up, his hand reaching toward part of the belt concealed by his cloth...
People act quickly. Some sensing danger immediately cries and takes shelter wherever they can, hoping the man won't get any chance to get his shots in before wall is put between him and them. But more brave souls cry in anger - they had finally found someone who is responsible for their misery - and rush with their weapons swinging. However their choice to distance themselves from each other for security now act against them, as they cannot close the gap before chaoser manages to withdraw his pistol. The weapon glistens menacingly in the sun.
"FREEZE FUCKERS!"
The man screams in a tone that contains fear as much as authority. Attackers draw strength from apparent vulnerability, and throws the baseball bat toward the man in sudden fit of inspiration. Sudden range attack catches chaoser in surprise as it slams against his gut, causing the man to fire his weapon which goes off widely and curl up in pain.
Others seize the chance and immediately starts beating him over his pained cry, taking as much pleasure as they can as he becomes very dead bloody pulp. Those who chose to flee cautiously come back- euphoric feeling hangs in the air. This is their first counterattack. Their moment of victory. Penaville may have gotten off with a rough start, but there are still glimmer of hope far beyond.
chaoser, Mafia Goon, is lynched.
The mafia may now communicate privately. All roles with night actions send in your targets.
Deadline ends 24 hours from this post.
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(not completed since Korynne lynch was coming back, essentially people are debating what to do with the gun and one realizes that the gun is Hesmyrr's hand gun - refer to day 1 flavour which I was going for when shot in the back - and it only has one shell and also uses different type of shell from murder weapon. chaoser in fact knew my gun and searched around the founder's house til he found it and kept it for security reasons, obligatory post about townies deporting in anger.)
choaser, Obvious Day-Vigilante, is lynched.
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On August 18 2010 23:36 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 23:32 Hesmyrr wrote:
I mentioned the hypothetical Ace/chaoser/LSB/bumatlarge group in the above post of mine. That's exactly how it should have worked. Had Ace survived, chaoser claims and reveal his intent to shoot Ace, and Ace subsequently fully claims also (or vice versa). Because both are mod-verifiable, their lynch should be delayed and chaoser would vote for someone in the "unconfirmed" pool while Ace protect him. Because two clear town roles are in open, LSB would also claim and reveal his bumatlarge investigation. Ah! I see. As for Bum, I didn't bother claiming because he was never under much suspicion, and I didn't want him to get nightkilled, since I liked knowing who one of the townies was. I was planning on claiming and explaining everything day 4, but I got killed so that's that.
I see bum as scum in every game. I don't know why. I can't help it =X.
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I think the fact that this was a new set-up made the information gap between mafia and town a bit worse, since everyone read a bit too much into their own penalty. For example, Ace wrote:
I just wanted everyone to claim penalties so you could HOLD everyone to their penalties and kill off the liars asap.
From the perspective of most players this was not possible. You'd only know if I lied about my penalty by killing me. From my role pm I was pretty convinced townies had different types of penalties from blues (I didn't have to perform any "action" for the penalty to kick in). Bumatlarge, whose penalty we knew, was someone you would not even want to confirm, given his penalty - which was another issue with verifying penalties. This is why I thought Ace was red fishing for information to snipe blues.
tl;dr: next time this is run it should be smoother since people won't make that many assumptions about the nature of the penalties.
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Heh, to be honest I am thinking about running an Open Setup before running off with another idea of mine. It'll still somehow manage to be theme though in spite of being open, I bet.
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Killing Ace on night 1 was a pretty obvious call in my opinion. He was the only person I was scared of since I've seen him rally the town to the point where the mafia had to stack all their kills on him just to make sure he died. Not really applicable in this game, of course, but the point is that night 1 may have been the only chance to kill him if there was a medic in the game. Unlikely a medic would protect him after what happened day 1.
My read was also that Ace was the only person showing any kind of initiative for the town at all. This proved to be quite true over the course of the game. I was secretly hoping for someone to step it up but it never really happened.
In addition, having him gone let me play my ever-popular "not there" mafia style. The only people in the game who've seen me play like that as mafia were Ace and Pyrr, and Pyrr was already gone. The lazy safeclaim was awesome for that, too. Hey Scamp, why aren't you voting? Oh, right.
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I was still shocked. I was sure there was no way the town could lynch me but I me dying night 1 caught me by surprise. I was really looking forward to Day 2 because I asked several times for other players to come up with an idea on how to win the game if they won't listen to me and when they didn't I was ready to be forceful.
Damn
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Divinek didn't want to kill you. I picked night 1 to kill you. Divinek picked night 2. Scamp didn't care to pick night 3, but ended up picking. It was a pretty clean win.
I disagree on the setup being that negative for town. Having a dayvig can do wonders.
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I would have killed you too
in fact, i may have "done the deed"
everyone who voted for you had an opportunity to kill you, and i voted for you
i just checked with scamp first to see who we should kill since it was his turn in my opinion
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Urgh, I was like, BM+ citi.zen look sooo red!
Except like I thought if only one of them was red it would've totally been citi.zen and BM was just being terrible. Tsk tsk.
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Well played mafia, guess we all learned a valuable lesson. The second bill says something off-key, lynch his ass!
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wait citizen was on every innocent lynch wagon?
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yea but I'm not scum, scum
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Games over, no need for hard feelings
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the only word that starts with scum that should be associated with my game is an award
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no hard feelings over here ^_^
@Bill Murray: tis true. Amazingly I think both times you were scum you ended up winning when I was town.
sigh
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On August 19 2010 04:25 bumatlarge wrote:
Well played mafia, guess we all learned a valuable lesson. The second bill says something off-key, lynch his ass!
Fixed.
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I now fully understand the answer to my question
On August 06 2010 10:59 LSB wrote:
Jw, why are people voting on Bill Murray? Did I miss something?
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On August 19 2010 04:25 Ace wrote:
wait citizen was on every innocent lynch wagon?
Not only that, I initiated the youngminii and korynne (twice) wagons. Every assumption I worked from was wrong: Ace's plan didn't seem to do anything but possibly out blues, youngmiii and korynne were playing like I've never seen them play, BM made no sense "as usual" but more importantly he claimed vig and remained alive... Even on the last day, without Divinek's claim I would have voted for LSB as red, since he made the rather strange argument that I had "not attacked enough"... instead of the obvious "you saved BM on day 1" or what Ace just said about me being on every wrong wagon.
So yeah, I was wrong about everything at every point in the game.
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On August 19 2010 03:47 Bill Murray wrote:
Divinek didn't want to kill you. I picked night 1 to kill you. Divinek picked night 2. Scamp didn't care to pick night 3, but ended up picking. It was a pretty clean win.
I disagree on the setup being that negative for town. Having a dayvig can do wonders.
my initial reaction was not to kill him but the more i thought about it the more i realized how good of an idea it was. night 1 was perrrrrrfect
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On August 19 2010 07:26 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2010 04:25 Ace wrote:
wait citizen was on every innocent lynch wagon? Not only that, I initiated the youngminii and korynne (twice) wagons. Every assumption I worked from was wrong: Ace's plan didn't seem to do anything but possibly out blues, youngmiii and korynne were playing like I've never seen them play, BM made no sense "as usual" but more importantly he claimed vig and remained alive... Even on the last day, without Divinek's claim I would have voted for LSB as red, since he made the rather strange argument that I had "not attacked enough"... instead of the obvious "you saved BM on day 1" or what Ace just said about me being on every wrong wagon. So yeah, I was wrong about everything at every point in the game.
lsb died in the night though
i didnt trust people not to swing on to me some how so i just thought i would blow off the doors by fingering you as mafia.
I initially wanted it to do it to bum for hilarity factor, but no one would believe that. Then i wanted to do it on chaoser but he confirmed himself at the start of the day , saved my life!
Then i figured you fit so well as red why not convince everyone they were right, people looooooove being right
was good fun watching the town kill itself though. God the amount of times i chainsaw, well not even chainsaw as much as just deflecting the flames, defended bm this game was ridiculous, though i tried real hard to be indirect about it. Thank god no one points that kind of stuff out.
totally forgot we can edit now lol, bad habit
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I totally figured out how we were suppose to play the game after I killed BM and saw that bum was still around. I figured, man we could have gotten two confirmed if it was like 5/2 mafia. And with Ace's telegraphing his moves in the beginning, we could have gotten a big circle together. Oh well. I didn't even think about confirming cause I wanted to kill BM so bad. I was like 90% sure he was mafia along with citi.zen and divinek. Came back and saw what happened and OTL. GG.
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@Ace - I still don't think claiming was a good idea. Unlike you, I figured all of town had penalties (oh hey that's why it's called penalty mafia) so I figured everyone was more useless than normal but that there might be more blues than normal to balance things out. But I also figured there were a lot of green roles (notice that the stump role is basically a green role since it's power can never be useful).
At least from my perspective, you can see how shitty your plan was for my particular role. The only way I can use my power is if I keep a low profile until day 3. Also, my penalty is hard to talk about without making me look blue, in comparison to yours and others. Like I said before dying, your plan got greens to jump on board fast and it made the reluctant people (both DTs) stick out like sore thumbs. It gave mafia a bunch of blue sniping info on day 1, when our blues were penalized to begin with.
Your plan relied on the mod putting a super awesome vigi role in the game when the name of the game is "penalty mafia". I don't think you have grounds to say I was stupid to balk at your plan when it prima facie helped mafia a lot and only helped town if there was a more powerful than normal vigi in a game where the theme is roles being less powerful than usual. The only other benefit to your plan ever articulated was "I just wanted everyone to claim penalties so you could HOLD everyone to their penalties and kill off the liars asap." This is stupid because the mod made it clear that mafia was given fake penalties and the mafia can easily choose a penalty they can stick to without any repercussions (exhibit A: Scamp). Meanwhile, knowing innocent penalties gives tons of blue sniping hints to mafia, and it can also help them plan out hits based on when people can act since the mafia could tell when certain people are or aren't dangerous to them.
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Basically, I was right to lynch Bill Murray for lying but no one gave a shit. Not lynching BM after Ace died is sort of inexcusable.
I wanted to lynch Ace because I found his plan to be very pro-mafia and not very pro-town. I still believe that to be the case. He believes the inverse and now thinks I suck. I do suck at playing when I'm not red. I still think Ace is good but I also still think his plan made town worse off.
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On August 22 2010 09:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Basically, I was right to lynch Bill Murray for lying but no one gave a shit. Not lynching BM after Ace died is sort of inexcusable.
I wanted to lynch Ace because I found his plan to be very pro-mafia and not very pro-town. I still believe that to be the case. He believes the inverse and now thinks I suck. I do suck at playing when I'm not red. I still think Ace is good but I also still think his plan made town worse off.
it made blue sniping so easy, god damn
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Even Scamps fake penalty could be used against him. If he has limited votes why didn't you just ask him how many?
I asked like 50 times if you don't like the plan how would we go about winning the game but you couldn't give me an answer
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On August 22 2010 09:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Basically, I was right to lynch Bill Murray for lying but no one gave a shit. Not lynching BM after Ace died is sort of inexcusable.
I wanted to lynch Ace because I found his plan to be very pro-mafia and not very pro-town. I still believe that to be the case. He believes the inverse and now thinks I suck. I do suck at playing when I'm not red. I still think Ace is good but I also still think his plan made town worse off.
I was honestly content with you and Ace, to be honest. Sacrificing myself to kill the best 2 players? Not that bad. The way it turned out, though, I was ecstatic when people kept believing me.
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