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So if my above posts have no substance how could you have replies to them? You sure are making a lot of sense here.
You just note how you obtained the first two votes with people posting opinions. No proving wrong being done.
There isn't a point to prove here. This is telling Townies to look at how fast I got quick voted.
Haven't proved anything except arguing the logic of lynching one you you. Seems like you are just trying to make sure you live and are doing everything you can to paint yourself in a positive light, I mean who cares if we don't lynch Citizen, as long as we don't lynch you, right? Mafia thinking.
No shit I'd try to make sure I live. If we put 4 votes on you would you just lay down and be like oh well gg. No, you'd try to live. Especially if you know the case against you is laughable. Of course you conveniently want anyone to die right?
Nothing has been said here, except you rather a no lynch, then a lynch you. Which would put us in the exact same situation just allowing the mafia to put themselves in a gaming winning position on that day by merely manipulating the lynch because of the inactive town. No lynch today is dumb, we need someone fucking gone.
More to you just wanting anyone to die. I'd rather a No Lynch than a Mislynch. When you mislynch today it's one less townie tomorrow. You keep IGNORING this point. You aren't even trying to debate it. It's "we need someone dead" and you aren't even contemplating that a dead townie leaves 3 v 2 tomorrow. Kill anybody and as long as someone dies it's ok? Right.
I suppose its important that he tried to vote someone else (lawl) Who cares? But what points have you even disproved at this point? Everyone was on board with lynching Vivi until he claimed. To look up the exact post, he claimed with 3 hours left. Giving no real time for discussion. I can't blame you for that, Vivi was stupid to wait that long when it seemed obvious he was dead.
I've disproved all your points while you keep posting lies. Everyone was not on board for lynching Vivi. here, look at the votes:
ace
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
haster27
Of those people I was the most strongly for it and you know it. I already explained I don't take Day 1 Doc claims as proof of innocence and I've said that countless times in other games. My argument was that knowing this you can't hold me accountable for Vivi flipping medic. I can't know that information as scum. Citizen was saying I was wrong about the Vivi situation so therefore I must be scum. He asked me about it, I replied and then there's a hate wagon.
I am 90% sure, does that make it better? Stop attacking nonpoints. You are posting nothing, and are our best candidate today, so just die with honor.
Right. Because 90% sure is much better than 50% sure. See you aren't even reading. This IS a critical point. It shows you two aren't even sure who is Mafia and would rather kill anyone. That is clearly a bad idea and that's why I keep calling citizen on it and now you. It's like when I flip town you'll say "well I wasn't so sure anyway" and absolve responsibility. Sorry, you and your scum partner are dying. Hell you aren't even reading the rules because a double lynch doesn't exist. You won't even acknowledge the fact that you and citizen quick voted on shoddy points and have spent all your energy and tried to paint me scum as soon as you got the chance. But the entire town must be stupid because citizen has 4 votes on him right?
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On March 29 2010 00:09 Ace wrote:
lmao.
So wait let me get this straight.
I'm discrediting citizen even though I've pointed out that his reasons that I'm Mafia are that I'm wrong in debate and that I voted for the same guy he voted for?
And lynching an innocent townie today is much better than no lynching? Are you serious?
Of course, me trying to stay alive is scummy because getting killed is clearly the thing a Townie would do. Are you reading?
So Citizen currently has 4 votes on him, I have 3. Citizen is definitely in line for lynching first, but I'm the one that's scum when I'm arguing that we should be considering the No Lynch so we could go into tomorrow 4 v 2 instead of 3 v 2.
Right. I'm the one making bad arguments and bad logic here. I'm advocating saving people while you just want somebody to die screaming do something when you aren't exactly the most active person here.
I said arguing vivi is a non point multiple times. He claimed with 3 hours left, we couldn't really do shit.
If we knew it was a 100% innocent townie by some miracle then fuck no, that is obvious. But we won't know until someones blood reveals the truth. So killing no one leaves us in the same hole we were in. WHO TO KILL, CITIZEN OR ACE? It accomplishes nothing.
and its not you staying alive that is scummy, its the way you are doing it. You haven't really presented a good case for Citizen, and you are discrediting his thought of you being mafia to say he is only 50% sure. However lynching anyone else who he has no thoughts towards would be something like 30% if done randomly.
Tell you what, I have time before work, I am going to reread all citizens post and the thread and see if I change my mind, but at this point I don't think it will.
Arguing no lynch when you have 4 votes benefits you because when he turns up innocent you have room to work with, Ace you have never been one to look for short sighted goals. For the purpose of clearing up some shit, I would rather go in 3v2 then 4v2. 3v2 clears some suspects, while 4v2 ends is up in a lynch or game over situation where we are STILL in the debate between you and Citizen. 4v2 in this case is essentially mathematical win for mafia, as long as they can sway it towards whichever one of you isn't mafia.
Your last paragraph is a copout filled with shit. You are advocating putting the mafia in a game winning position by tomorrow with a no lynch. I will explain this one more time.
4v2 instead of 3v2 LOOKS better, but lets see how it would play out.
If we don't lynch Ace or Citizen today and go with a no lynch the mafia kill someone tonight. Let's say they kill Jspazz or Haster who have had little to nothing to do with the argument today. The next day the we have Ace and Citizen still alive and now we are arguing to kill one of them STILL. If we pretend that there is a 100% chance that either Ace or Citizen are mafia, why would we put ourselves in a situation where voting the wrong one is game breaking? That does NOT make sense.
Now lets say we hypothetically kill Ace or Citizen tonight and they are red, we don't have to waste our time on the other one (there is no fucking way two mafia would go at each other's throats like that)
Now if we say kill Ace/Citizen tonight and he is green then the other would be red and we go in 3-2 with a SURE lynch as opposed to a 50%.
That is of course pretending that there is a 100% chance that one of you are mafia, which I would say there is more like a 99% chance which is still something I would jump on.
in the 4-2 situation we miss our lynch which would make it 3-2 and the mafia hits making it 2-2 for a town loss.
Lynching today almost guarantees a good lynch tomorrow.
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I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.
Go ahead and lynch me.
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Hey Rol citizen has 4 votes, not me.
If I was Mafia I'd just be content letting him die, or any townie for that matter. If I was scum why would I go into a situation 4 v 2 when surely citizen would get lynched, flip townie and I could go into the next Day 3 v 2? Please explain this. 4 Townies vs 2 Scum is WAY better than 3 Townies vs 2 Scum. What extra information do you see coming out of lynching an innocent today that puts us at a better position? The Mafia are killing someone tonight regardless. I don't know why you keep ignoring this.
I'm discrediting citizen? He's posting blatantly wrong information and tried to use the Vivi discussion against me. Am I supposed to just be like you know what, you're right. I'm guilty for getting Vivi killed when he himself has a vote on the guy? Lol ok Rol, you sure are making sense here.
Right now it's either myself or citizen. Jspazz nor haster are in any position to get lynched so your argument is irrelevant. However just for sake of showing you why it makes no sense if either of us get lynched and flip town what new information are you going to glean with it? You're going to go into the next day with 3 townies instead of 4. How in the hell is that a good situation? You'll be in LYLO immediately.
Then you make the mistake of saying well if one of them flips green, the other is definitely red so let's kill him! Seriously, I'm starting to think you just want anyone dead.
##unvote citizen##
##vote RoL##
I may have thought citizen was scummy before, and I still do. However, I think you're recent behavior is actually far worse. I think citizen was wrong on his posts about me but I never got the feeling he wanted anyone dead. You just don't care who the fuck dies.
Town, we've got until 10PM ET. Read Rebirth's posts please. Hell, we can all even discuss the current No Lynch vs Lynch option. I'm not liking RoL's kill anyone attitude.
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On March 29 2010 00:58 citi.zen wrote:
I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.
Go ahead and lynch me.
You've still got till 10 PM ET. I've also unvoted you as I think RoL is actually far more disgusting.
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You do realize that either way 4v2 or 3v2 the town is has the same day of loss assuming 1 more mislynch, right?
2 missed lynches = loss 1 no lynch and 1 miss lynch = loss.
I don't see the point in not trying to kill more? Where was I not clear on why killing one of you gives us more information?
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7 players. 5 Townies vs 2 Mafia.
Townie lynch = 3 Townies vs 2 Mafia next day.
No Lynch = 4 Townies vs 2 Mafia next day.
Instead of having to convince 1 player on a mislynch scum now have to convince 2. How is this not important?
We aren't killing people for the sake of killing them.
Where was I not clear on why killing one of you gives us more information?
If one of us gets lynched and we flip town, what's your other course of action? I said you can't just assume the other person is automatically Mafia. Hell we could both be Townies. Just because we are arguing doesn't mean one of us has to be scum. Your other statement:
Lynching today almost guarantees a good lynch tomorrow.
Is part of the reason I asked this. If we lynch today and flip town then how is that a guaranteed Mafia lynch tomorrow?
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On March 29 2010 01:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 00:58 citi.zen wrote:
I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.
Go ahead and lynch me. You've still got till 10 PM ET. I've also unvoted you as I think RoL is actually far more disgusting.
RoL is pretty bad at times and so are haster and Fishball with his 1 through 3 and 5 through 7 crap. Ace's argument on the no-lynch is very suspect: the town is in bad shape, and it will only get worse tomorrow if we skip the lynch; we have no "sure way to win" - especially without the DT, so taking the best shot we can today is a must. nemY barely contributes and tells us he plays with his gut and he's not good at analyzing posts. Johnny ain't trying.
I've done all I could to start some sort of discussion. I called out people repeatedly. I tried to analyze their posts. I am comfortable being lynched - I am simply at a loss as to what to do next.
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citizen someone is going to die tonight, that's a fact. This is what I'm saying:
Go into tomorrow 4 vs 2 or 3 vs 2.
Don't just say "I'm gonna die" and give up. Play to win this shit.
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citi.zen i think at this point if the votes stay the same, ace gets lynches
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anyway since there is so much lurking in this game, what do you active people think about going no lynch and letting the mafia hit someone. i think if mafia is lurking, its more likely they hit one of the actives and vice versa.
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You mentioned RoL. Many things he said are inconsistent, but what bothers me most is saying he is SURE one of us is red. Now, for all our differences, I never claimed I can be SURE you are red - that would be absurd without a confirmed DT. Yet RoL is sure that if one of us flips green, the other is red - even saying he wishes he could 2x Lynch right now. This is of course the perfect Mafia set-up if we ARE both green - not only do you lynch one tonight but the other is lead candidate for tomorrow.
##unvote ace##
##vote RoL##
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On March 29 2010 02:04 johnnyspazz wrote:
anyway since there is so much lurking in this game, what do you active people think about going no lynch and letting the mafia hit someone. i think if mafia is lurking, its more likely they hit one of the actives and vice versa.
I have already explained why they would hit a less active person. It forces us into this same situation of arguing between Ace and I guess me or Citizen (Assuming no lynch) if they hit a random person they create mathematical win as long as we mislynch on our next lynch.
I don't see how this is that hard to understand?
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Also please prove anything I said as wrong or stupid. It all makes sense in what I suppose is a more abstract sense.
Oh and Ace, I get how 3v2 would be harder, but if we already have a lynch candidate decided (IE by lynching you or Citizen, then lynching the other the next day) there is no issue about voting and persuading theoretically, since if we can agree that there is a HIGH PROBABILITY that you or citizen are mafia (Like I said, I think you are mafia) then killing both of you is a good course of action.
Citizen giving up makes me think even more that is it you, unless he is continuing to mind fuck us.
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i was thinking we divide ourselves into two groups, actives and lurkers. and if a lurker dies, then a mafia member is more likely among the actives and vice versa. maybe this is a terrible idea since we get into WIFOM territory.
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On March 29 2010 02:07 citi.zen wrote:
You mentioned RoL. Many things he said are inconsistent, but what bothers me most is saying he is SURE one of us is red. Now, for all our differences, I never claimed I can be SURE you are red - that would be absurd without a confirmed DT. Yet RoL is sure that if one of us flips green, the other is red - even saying he wishes he could 2x Lynch right now. This is of course the perfect Mafia set-up if we ARE both green - not only do you lynch one tonight but the other is lead candidate for tomorrow.
##unvote ace##
##vote RoL##
You seriously think I am mafia? What the fuck kind of thinking is this? I was saying double lynch scenario just to emphasize how its more worthwhile to go 1:1 trade a green for a red then to not kill anyone at all.
I was talking in terms of killing Ace and then you (if Ace is green) since I view the likeliness of one of you being mafia as very high. Just based on behavior. I don't really think you are mafia, I think Ace is. If for some reason Ace is NOT mafia that would make me suspect of you.
Maybe I was too aggressive and murderous with my posting? Oh well. I ain't mafia.
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RoL, what if youre wrong about ace and citizen? what if both mafia are in the group of lurkers just waiting for the town to mislynch? how can you be so sure that one of them is mafia? imo it's more likely they are both green given the amount of lurkers in this game.
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On March 28 2010 14:29 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think nemY's vote for ace is hilarious
"holy shit we lost both blues already that means the mafia must be hella good. oh wait! ace is a gosu player! must be his doing."
And who else do you think is capable of sniping both our blues? Do you folks really think it is pure coincidence that both of our blues died in by the SECOND day?
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while vivi57's death could be ace's doing, versatile's death was just pure luck
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For the record I don't really understand why people are for a "no-lynch" today. You guys keep saying either it'll be a "4v2" or a "3v2" when it could easily be a "4v1" if we hit mafia. Ace provides the best option for this at least in my eyes. I seriously feel like he's playing most of the town into his hands and I fail too see how at least some of you guys don't see this!
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