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No gimmicks.
No clues.
No elections.
No stupid unbalanced shit.
And NO PMs or other out of thread communications for most players!
Let's play mafia.
Play seriously. Play to win.
The setup:
9 players: 7 town, 2 mafia
Among the town members, there is a good chance that 1 is a medic, and a good chance 1 is a detective.
Among the mafia members, there is a good chance that 1 is a roleblocker.
Medic:
Each night, you may choose one person other than yourself to protect. If that person was the target of the mafia nightkill, the nightkill fails.
Detective:
Each night, you may choose one person to investigate. You will receive either TOWN-aligned or MAFIA-aligned as a result.
Roleblocker:
Each night, you may choose one person to roleblock. That person's night action is canceled for the night. This power cannot block the mafia's nightkill. The person blocked will be notified that they were roleblocked if they tried to perform a night action, but will not know who blocked them. You receive no explicit information as a result of your roleblock.
Town:
You win when all mafia are killed, and at least one town member is alive.
Mafia:
Each night, your team MUST choose one person to kill. If you do not choose anyone, the host will randomly choose for you among all the players in the game. You may talk with your mafia teammates outside of the thread. You win when there is no longer any chance for the town to win, and at least one mafia member is alive. You also win if there is only one town-aligned player and one mafia-aligned player alive.
Game balance information:
- The chance the town will win if all targets are chosen randomly is approximately 29%.
- The earliest the town can win is day 2. The chance of this occurring randomly is approximately 2%.
- The earliest the mafia can win is night 3. The chance of this occurring randomly is approximately 24%.
- The town must successfully lynch 2 times to win the game.
- The town can afford at most (2 + x) mislynches and still win, where x is the number of successful medic protections divided by 2, rounded down.
+ Show Spoiler +The above probabilities are generated under the assumption that power roles always use their powers on randomly selected targets, the town always lynches randomly selected players, and the mafia randomly select among players not on the mafia team to nightkill.
Roles will be assigned to players using a random number generator. The phrase "good chance" is a hidden value defined by the host.
Sample Town role PM:
+ Show Spoiler +You are a Townie. Good luck!
The Rules you probably already know:
+ Show Spoiler +Keep the game civil.
No cheating, including but not limited to:
- logging onto someone else's account
- comparing role PM times
- posting screenshots of PMs
- posting PMs from the host
- editing posts
- posting anything that could affect the game after death. Only one post-death goodbye post is allowed.
The Rules that may be unfamiliar to you:
- No out of thread communications (including PMs) is allowed with other players unless you are specifically given this ability.
Signing up:
Certain players have been given preference for this game. The rest of the slots will be filled by players chosen from those who sign up. However, players will be chosen at the host's discretion for the first run of this setup.
However, once this game has successfully ended and the automated tools involved are well-developed, I will host as many games as required for as many players who want to play, so don't feel left out. I will give preference to those who signed up for this game and were not chosen for the first of these games.
Timing:
The tentative plan is for this game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle, ending at 10pm EST.
MVP/LVP:
In addition to tracking win/loss records under this and other well-balanced formats, at the end of the game players will be invited to PM the host their opinion of which of their fellow players performed the best and worst in this specific game. The host will also vote once. More details to come when the game ends.
Flavor:
I don't mind writing flavor if players enjoy it, but when I play, I don't even bother reading it. If there is no overwhelming desire from the players for flavor, I will include only the minimum required.
Credits:
Thanks to previous mafia game hosts for taking the time and effort to run games. Whoever the balance crew are, they weren't involved in balancing this game. This game is balanced with SCIENCE.
Voting Rules:
- Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. Anyone without a valid vote when a day ends will be modkilled.
- A vote must be for a specific player, or...
- You may vote in favor of a no lynch if you believe it is in the best interests of the town.
- The player with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched. If no lynch has the most votes, no player is lynched.
- In the event of a tie, the player (or "no lynch") with the most votes first is considered to have the most votes.
Vote-counting will be done with an automated program for this game:
Vote by including in a post in the game thread a phrase with the following format:
##Vote (playername)##
- Do not ever include "##" in your post for any other reason, and if "##" is in your signature, remove it.
- Voting is case-insensitive, but symbols, spacing, and numbers are important. Copy and paste a player's username if you need to be sure.
- Do not change the formatting of your text in the middle of a vote. For example, if you bold your votes, make sure the beginning bold tag starts before the first V, and the ending bold tag ends after the last letter of the player's name.
- Remove votes when quoting other players, or it will be as if you have submitted that vote!
- Vote for a no lynch by including the following: ##Vote no lynch##
- Any valid vote posted later than a previous valid vote replaces it.
Example post that includes a vote:
+ Show Spoiler +That Zona's play has been really fishy this game.
##Vote Zona##
I encourage all of you to vote for him as well, get rid of that stink'n mafia.
During the night phase, submit your night actions by PM to me using the following format:
PM Title: Mafia
PM Content: ##(action) (playername)##
where action is one of: Roleblock, Protect, Investigate, Kill
Example PM content:
+ Show Spoiler +
You can submit the same action with a different player's name if you change your mind. That submission will supersede your previous action submission. A submission from any member of the mafia team for the action of "Kill" is treated identically. If a different member of the mafia later submits a different kill target, it will replace the earlier submission!
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Town victory!
Player list
Abenson replaced by RebirthOfLeGenD (aka rol), killed Night 2
Ace the mafia roleblocker, lynched Day 3
citi.zen (aka: citizen), lynched Day 2
Fishball, killed Night 3
haster27 (aka: haster)
johnnyspazz (aka: johnny, jonny, or jonnyspazz), modkilled Day 4
nemY, modkilled Day 4
Versatile (aka: vers) the detective, killed Night 1
Vivi57 (aka: vivi) the medic, lynched Day 1
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Vote count for the day's lynch, updated as of post # 402:
1 vote for nemy:
haster27
players who have not voted:
nemy
johnnyspazz
Unrecognized votes:
Vote history by voter:
haster27 voted for:
nemy
nemy voted for:
johnnyspazz voted for:
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sounds fun, but any way we can get longer days?
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lol reminds me of mafiascum game. I have interest in joining this game, but seeing as how I am newcomer to TL mafia thread and has already signed up for World at War one, you can choose to bump me out if there is no slot available for any veteran members.
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I think this game is going to be worth watching from the outside to see Ace and Vivi go at it.
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Invited players have until Monday 11:59pm EST to respond. It's likely that on Tuesday the list of players will be chosen and the game will start.
The timing cycle is not yet set in stone. Since the game doesn't revolve around DT checks, if players prefer longer days that is a possibility. I actually originally wanted 36 hour days/12 hour nights but upon second thought realized that probably wouldn't work.
BTW, in case anyone thinks the game balance information is BS...I did write a program to crunch out the probabilities. I will probably rely on this kind of tool to balance my future, really wild games - but those probably will still be somewhat unbalanced anyways. I did use F11 as a starting point since it was among the few mafiascum formats have been tried and tested many times, but in the end the town random win% and the maximum number of mislynches that still allow the town to win were the key factors in my decision. (And maybe it could end up being one of the setups that isn't possible under F11!) Of course, the more power roles that are in the game, the lower the town random win% should be. And the town random win% definitely needs to be <50% by a significant degree. After all, the town benefits by gaining information, the mafia in most cases does not.
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ugh. I'm v/la from tomorrow till thursday. I'm supposed to have internet, but I might not or it might be so bad that its unusable.
But oh well, with 36 hour days, I'd still be home on thrusday night, in time to read day1 and vote.
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O dam it's invite only D:
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What's the reasoning behind the invites? Are they going out to veteran players, newer players, good/bad players, etc? I'm of the opinion that a smaller format works better for newer players as far as the learning-experience goes.
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Typing in thread as requested.
Joining.
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i'll play if you'll allow it.
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I'm only going to play Ace's game, but I like the rules in yours, it will be fun to watch. Also a nice amount of players, should force everyone to be active, hopefully o:
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Yea this is the kind of setup I actually prefer ^_^
It's much costlier to make mistakes but also hella damaging killing just 1 scum.
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I'm in if there's room :-)
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On March 22 2010 06:07 d3_crescentia wrote:
What's the reasoning behind the invites? Are they going out to veteran players, newer players, good/bad players, etc? I'm of the opinion that a smaller format works better for newer players as far as the learning-experience goes.
The two reasons I went with invites for the first run of this setup is because first of all, I'm using the first version of an automated tool to help streamline hosting, and it's better to test such things under a more controlled situation. Also, I'm trying to run a more balanced format where both the town and the mafia feel they have a fair chance to win, so that each player will play seriously and put their utmost effort to win (and not play simply for shits and giggles). Perhaps if the first game consists of better competitive play (relatively speaking), it could set and example and help pave the way for later games to be more competitive as well.
I hope I don't seem too elitist for those reasons. Past game hosts have been invited, as well as a few players I personally observed as those who have played seriously in the past. In any case only about half of my invitees have accepted, so I'll need to draw from players who signed up as well.
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On March 23 2010 04:15 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2010 06:07 d3_crescentia wrote:
What's the reasoning behind the invites? Are they going out to veteran players, newer players, good/bad players, etc? I'm of the opinion that a smaller format works better for newer players as far as the learning-experience goes. The two reasons I went with invites for the first run of this setup is because first of all, I'm using the first version of an automated tool to help streamline hosting, and it's better to test such things under a more controlled situation. Also, I'm trying to run a more balanced format where both the town and the mafia feel they have a fair chance to win, so that each player will play seriously and put their utmost effort to win (and not play simply for shits and giggles). Perhaps if the first game consists of better competitive play (relatively speaking), it could set and example and help pave the way for later games to be more competitive as well. I hope I don't seem too elitist for those reasons. Past game hosts have been invited, as well as a few players I personally observed as those who have played seriously in the past. In any case only about half of my invitees have accepted, so I'll need to draw from players who signed up as well.
Sounds about right for an invite game. If you're looking for 9 players, you probably need to invite something like 16-17.
Don't worry about being elitist. We need a high level game on here. It would be nice to have a recent example of high level play. There hasn't been a really high level showing from the mafia in particular in a LONG time.
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This is gonna be great!
Time to OB :D
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I'll be watching this game. Glhf.
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On March 23 2010 12:04 Abenson wrote:
This is gonna be great!
Time to OB :D
Can I use lightning?
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The town of Micropolis.
Nine people, down on their luck, moved to the outback to start a new life: at a new town which they named Micropolis. But somehow, word got around that a mafia syndicate also wanted to use the place as a base of operations, and two of their agents were among them. As all of them were strangers to each other, they viewed each other suspiciously. Soon enough, they would accuse each other of being agents and lynch one amongst themselves each day at dusk by majority vote. Would the town members be able to rid themselves of the mafia menace before they themselves were all eradicated?
Roles have been randomized and sent! The first day will have a little more time. Day 1 ends at Thursday, 10pm EST!
Remember - no out of thread communications, including PMs are permitted for players who aren't mafia! Follow the voting format specified in the opening post!
Play seriously, play to win and have fun!
##start day##
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Lets get the fun started.
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Note to all of those who are observing this game. Please refrain from posting in this thread until the game is over.
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##Vote Vivi57##. No point in keeping him around.
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no hate, just a semi-random vote to get things started
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just got back, haven't really read the thread; will try to read and post in the morning; goodnight 
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On March 23 2010 16:45 nemY wrote:just got back, haven't really read the thread; will try to read and post in the morning; goodnight
There is literally nothing to read over here anyway. Well, except Ace's RV on Vivi.
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Need moar activity. Where is everyone?
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Need SOME activity - sheesh.
I voted for nemY for the "didn't have time to read the thread" comment. There were 3 one line posts in the thread at that point, give me a break :-)
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Yea I saw it and was just like :/
If people are going to be laxed this game I think we should vote off lurkers. More discussion helps the Town and if people don't talk then we'll lose.
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Agreed. By the way, who is haster27? Is he a regular or a new player?
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new player from what I know
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I'm a new player- somewhat surprised I made it in this game as well. (Especially how I waltzed in my first TL Mafia game - XX - like idiot near the exam time and was forced to lurk all the way.)
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I'm at work. You guys do realize some of us have to work on weekdays right.
Lunch break now though.
So we get to vote right off the bat?
##Vote nemY##
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Work is the best for mafia, if it's not too busy. Come on now :-)
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what the hell are these random votes? why aren't we discussing plans?
if we're going to kill anyone randomly, we should kill someone who hasn't posted since the game began.
Abenson
Vivi57
things to note:
johnnyspazz: 1 post, "why the hate on vivi"
fishball: "oh, i'm busy, but lemme vote for nemy"
citi.zen: random vote for nemy
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Well its the very beginning and most people aren't really that good at figuring things out this early ^_^
##vote Versatile## for not bringing any other women into the game with her
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Hello, I am here
I was actually REALLY surprised when I got the role pm... I thought this was an "invite only" event and you have to be Good at mafia to play :O
Anyways, checking in.
anyways, @ Versatile
Voting for someone random at the beginning of a game is, in fact, quite common since the chance of it affecting the outcome of the game is extremely rare.
There is also the fact that it may cause the person to panic and reveal their role (hopefully mafia) if they are not careful. The chance of that happening is extremely rare though.
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well, seeing as how there's only 9 of us, any vote affects the outcome of the game so that argument is doesn't apply.
##vote ace## for general uselessness.
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lol, but really.
##vote vivi## for inactivity and a grand total of zero posts.
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Lol am I the only one who likes to reserve the vote until the very last moment?
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##vote haster27## for thinking he will live long enough to vote last moment
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##vote johnnyspazz
because his name is long and takes more time to type.
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Oops,
##vote johnnyspazz##
Forgot the number sign at the end.
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##vote abenon## as he has health insurance so maybe he'll survive.
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On March 24 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
I'm at work. You guys do realize some of us have to work on weekdays right.
Lunch break now though.
So we get to vote right off the bat?
##Vote nemY##
Lol I like how you used more or less the same excuse as me and voted for me because of it
##Vote Fishball##
On a more serious note... anyone got any plans?
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On March 24 2010 06:06 Versatile wrote:
##vote abenon## as he has health insurance so maybe he'll survive.
That's note voting for me :D
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Hey all - current day vote counts will always be in the third post. I'll post vote counts at the end of the day along with the lynch result in the end of day post.
I apologize in advance since the program has no intelligence - it requires correct spelling and such. As I said, copy-paste a username to be entirely sure. The "unrecognized votes" section is there to give voters a heads-up with such things. I could manually change the vote counts, but I don't want to have to do that each time someone makes a typo. I might as well count things up manually, then.
Also, I've changed the program so it'll always consider the last vote in a post to be the correct one, in case someone accidentally quotes another post with a vote in it. But if your quote-with-a-vote comes after your vote, things could still be misinterpreted, so be careful!
While some players can argue that a human-mod vote count would be "superior" in that a person can infer who someone intends to vote for - there are advantages to programs too. It makes the job easier for the host. But the biggest advantage is that I hope eventually that the program will check the thread about every hour and update accordingly. So players will always get up to the moment vote counts.
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On March 24 2010 08:51 Versatile wrote:
damn.
##vote vivi##
damn again, it's "Vivi57", innit'...
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On March 24 2010 05:33 Versatile wrote:
what the hell are these random votes? why aren't we discussing plans?
if we're going to kill anyone randomly, we should kill someone who hasn't posted since the game began.
Abenson
Vivi57
things to note:
johnnyspazz: 1 post, "why the hate on vivi"
fishball: "oh, i'm busy, but lemme vote for nemy"
citi.zen: random vote for nemy
I don't get it. You ask for a "plan" but offer none. Most people either realize there ain't much to say at this stage, or... offer something as a suggestion. Then you go on to list "things to note", leaving out Ace's vote for some reason. Then you try to vote yourself, four times no less, making spelling errors every time.
This is slightly more aggravating than the quip about "reading the three lines later" from nemY. Barely.
As of now:
##vote Versatile##
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On March 24 2010 06:19 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
I'm at work. You guys do realize some of us have to work on weekdays right.
Lunch break now though.
So we get to vote right off the bat?
##Vote nemY## Lol I like how you used more or less the same excuse as me and voted for me because of it ##Vote Fishball##On a more serious note... anyone got any plans?
No, I voted you because of... well, um...
Oh, this.
Shouldn't you be voting for citizen, he did it first!
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On March 24 2010 09:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 06:19 nemY wrote:On March 24 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
I'm at work. You guys do realize some of us have to work on weekdays right.
Lunch break now though.
So we get to vote right off the bat?
##Vote nemY## Lol I like how you used more or less the same excuse as me and voted for me because of it ##Vote Fishball##On a more serious note... anyone got any plans? No, I voted you because of... well, um... Oh, this. Shouldn't you be voting for citizen, he did it first!
Obviously this pic means i'm not mafia! I mean look... it's pretty subtle... don't ya think? 
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wow this game is totally different from all the other games i've played in
uhh so i'm going to vote nemY cause that wink looks very suspicious
##Vote nemY##
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On March 24 2010 09:03 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 05:33 Versatile wrote:
what the hell are these random votes? why aren't we discussing plans?
if we're going to kill anyone randomly, we should kill someone who hasn't posted since the game began.
Abenson
Vivi57
things to note:
johnnyspazz: 1 post, "why the hate on vivi"
fishball: "oh, i'm busy, but lemme vote for nemy"
citi.zen: random vote for nemy I don't get it. You ask for a "plan" but offer none. Most people either realize there ain't much to say at this stage, or... offer something as a suggestion. Then you go on to list "things to note", leaving out Ace's vote for some reason. Then you try to vote yourself, four times no less, making spelling errors every time. This is slightly more aggravating than the quip about "reading the three lines later" from nemY. Barely. As of now: ##vote Versatile##
umm, i never vote for myself, moron, as you yourself noted when you corrected my vote for "vivi" to vivi57" so wth are you talking about?
i left out ace's vote because he voted for someone who hasn't posted once, Vivi57. and my suggestion was exactly that....voting for inactives.
so you're wrong on ALL counts. unless you're just that stupid, you're purposely trying to discredit me. either way, the death gong calls your name.
##i vote citi.zen##
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Good to have this thing tested in a real game. It seems it's difficult for players to follow all the rules.
Version 1.2 New features:
- ignores everything within quotes, including votes
- adds "akas" for players. voting for an aka is the same as voting for the player. e.g. a vote for vivi is the same as a vote for vivi57
Still - I don't think I should have to accommodate players posting in formats other than:
##vote (playername)##
Please be just a bit more careful!
Post/PM me if you see any mistakes with the vote counting! Pay attention especially to the "vote history by voter" to make sure the program has read your personal votes correctly!
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On March 24 2010 09:55 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 09:03 citi.zen wrote:On March 24 2010 05:33 Versatile wrote:
what the hell are these random votes? why aren't we discussing plans?
if we're going to kill anyone randomly, we should kill someone who hasn't posted since the game began.
Abenson
Vivi57
things to note:
johnnyspazz: 1 post, "why the hate on vivi"
fishball: "oh, i'm busy, but lemme vote for nemy"
citi.zen: random vote for nemy I don't get it. You ask for a "plan" but offer none. Most people either realize there ain't much to say at this stage, or... offer something as a suggestion. Then you go on to list "things to note", leaving out Ace's vote for some reason. Then you try to vote yourself, four times no less, making spelling errors every time. This is slightly more aggravating than the quip about "reading the three lines later" from nemY. Barely. As of now: ##vote Versatile## umm, i never vote for myself, moron, as you yourself noted when you corrected my vote for "vivi" to vivi57" so wth are you talking about? i left out ace's vote because he voted for someone who hasn't posted once, Vivi57. and my suggestion was exactly that....voting for inactives. so you're wrong on ALL counts. unless you're just that stupid, you're purposely trying to discredit me. either way, the death gong calls your name. ##i vote citi.zen##
Read what I wrote before calling me names: I never said you voted for yourself; I merely stated that you, yourself, tried to vote multiple times, somehow screwing up the spelling every time along the way.
You will not be missed.
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On March 24 2010 11:29 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 09:55 Versatile wrote:On March 24 2010 09:03 citi.zen wrote:On March 24 2010 05:33 Versatile wrote:
what the hell are these random votes? why aren't we discussing plans?
if we're going to kill anyone randomly, we should kill someone who hasn't posted since the game began.
Abenson
Vivi57
things to note:
johnnyspazz: 1 post, "why the hate on vivi"
fishball: "oh, i'm busy, but lemme vote for nemy"
citi.zen: random vote for nemy I don't get it. You ask for a "plan" but offer none. Most people either realize there ain't much to say at this stage, or... offer something as a suggestion. Then you go on to list "things to note", leaving out Ace's vote for some reason. Then you try to vote yourself, four times no less, making spelling errors every time. This is slightly more aggravating than the quip about "reading the three lines later" from nemY. Barely. As of now: ##vote Versatile## umm, i never vote for myself, moron, as you yourself noted when you corrected my vote for "vivi" to vivi57" so wth are you talking about? i left out ace's vote because he voted for someone who hasn't posted once, Vivi57. and my suggestion was exactly that....voting for inactives. so you're wrong on ALL counts. unless you're just that stupid, you're purposely trying to discredit me. either way, the death gong calls your name. ##i vote citi.zen## Read what I wrote before calling me names: I never said you voted for yourself; I merely stated that you, yourself, tried to vote multiple times, somehow screwing up the spelling every time along the way. You will not be missed.
hey dumbass, it's not that i screwed up the spelling, it's that mod's voting rules are bit restrictive and i wanted to ensure i got it correct. plus, two of my votes were clearly jokes.
and of course i won't be missed. i'm not going anywhere, asshat.
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On March 24 2010 11:44 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 11:29 citi.zen wrote:On March 24 2010 09:55 Versatile wrote:On March 24 2010 09:03 citi.zen wrote:On March 24 2010 05:33 Versatile wrote:
what the hell are these random votes? why aren't we discussing plans?
if we're going to kill anyone randomly, we should kill someone who hasn't posted since the game began.
Abenson
Vivi57
things to note:
johnnyspazz: 1 post, "why the hate on vivi"
fishball: "oh, i'm busy, but lemme vote for nemy"
citi.zen: random vote for nemy I don't get it. You ask for a "plan" but offer none. Most people either realize there ain't much to say at this stage, or... offer something as a suggestion. Then you go on to list "things to note", leaving out Ace's vote for some reason. Then you try to vote yourself, four times no less, making spelling errors every time. This is slightly more aggravating than the quip about "reading the three lines later" from nemY. Barely. As of now: ##vote Versatile## umm, i never vote for myself, moron, as you yourself noted when you corrected my vote for "vivi" to vivi57" so wth are you talking about? i left out ace's vote because he voted for someone who hasn't posted once, Vivi57. and my suggestion was exactly that....voting for inactives. so you're wrong on ALL counts. unless you're just that stupid, you're purposely trying to discredit me. either way, the death gong calls your name. ##i vote citi.zen## Read what I wrote before calling me names: I never said you voted for yourself; I merely stated that you, yourself, tried to vote multiple times, somehow screwing up the spelling every time along the way. You will not be missed. hey dumbass, it's not that i screwed up the spelling, it's that mod's voting rules are bit restrictive and i wanted to ensure i got it correct. plus, two of my votes were clearly jokes. and of course i won't be missed. i'm not going anywhere, asshat.
Hopefully you will not be too distracted with the other mafia game. In a nine player set-up you are not helping if you're just going to drop in to insult other players based on your failure to read/comp posts.
Anyway, I will drop it, you seem very cranky today.
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nah crotchmonkey, i'm rude as a way of life. you should drop it for good.
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Ok seriously voting now.
##vote Vivi57##
He's inactive and he's is by far the worst player in this game. We all know this so lets stop kidding our selves.
FoS on nemy. Both posts he has made have had literally nothing. He is the only one besides Vivi57 so far that has had people vote for him seriously and he pretty much scoffed it off. Defend yourself for real or get voted off.
Citizen her leaving my name off the list wasn't THAT fishy, so I don't see why you voted for her. Looked like weak reasoning to me.
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Of course it's not solid reasoning. I was mostly stirring shit up to get any kind of response - we barely have any posts. All I got is confirmation she can't really read that well (even trying to vote for me she screwed it up by including an "i" in there - ROLF).
Now, of course, a bad player who is active > a player who is inactive, so vivi57 may well be a better lynching candidate for today.
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no, a bad player thats active is worse than an inactive. Both of them will make the town lose but at least with the inactive player you know it's not because of stupidity.
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On March 24 2010 13:19 Ace wrote:
no, a bad player thats active is worse than an inactive. Both of them will make the town lose but at least with the inactive player you know it's not because of stupidity.
I guess both types provide "cover" for the reds, either by allowing them to drop off the radar, or by making it easy to mix in with a thick soup of incoherent/confusing garbage. It's a matter of which type of behavior is more damaging in a particular game. In this one I am tempted to say that, given the low levels of activity and the reduced list of players, inactivity would be a bit worse. We can probably filter through spam/nonsense. So right now I am inclined to agree with the vivi57 pick.
##Vote Vivi57##
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I'm skiing (like I said, i'd be v/la until thursday) so I'll probably make this post tonight then one post tomorrow night and start being more active thursday night.
Right now, citi.zen is my most pro town read. He's doing a ton of crap and moving around votes to get discussion started and also attracting attention to himself. Both of these are something scum doesn't want to do.
Right now, I think my suspicion is on fishball. He posted a random OMGUS vote on nemy which in fine, but then he (jokingly) defended it
I really don't like fishball right now, but since I have a bigger suspicion, I'm going to call FoS: Fishball
As for my main suspect. Johnnyspaz just placed a random defense of me in the OMGUS stage of the game then placed a super late random vote on nemy. At that point, he should have come up with a decent reason because some discussion had occurred.
##vote johnnyspazz##
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i came out with a random defense? sorry bud, i wasn't defending you. i was asking ace why he voted for you because he literally started the game off with a vote for you. but i guess that's okay, instead of defending yourself from the people voting for you, you start accusing other people of being scummy.
##Vote Vivi57##
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Vivi you are so bad it's ridiculous.
"he's doing a ton of crap and moving votes around" - doing stuff is null and moving votes around is usually scummy. It's so early and not enough people have wagons on them so there isn't too much sketchiness about switching votes. However indecisiveness is usually meaning you can't make up your mind about something or just dont want to stand your ground, the latter of which is usually scummy.
The read on fishball is cool, but knowing that guy he voted for nemy for the lulz.
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Remember the day ends on Thursday, March 25th at 10pm EST! That's about 45 hours from now!
(I've got to say that updating vote-counts is so convenient with the latest version. Three clicks and a few keypresses and done. Thanks to all of you for following the vote format to make this possible!)
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ah, thanks for pointing that out assgoblin.
##vote citi.zen##
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Okay, let me play Devil's Advocate here. It is true vivi57 has announced that he will hardly be present before the game, and the first post he had made sounds semi-decent. Yes, I know it's day 1 but we should always prioritize hitting on Mafia than bad players, especially in this format where lynch is our only option of killing them. Main argument seems to be that he is inactive; however, there are still many players here that have not yet posted any insightful posts at all (Abenson, myself etc.) He should not be treated more scummy than any of the others.
Another thing I note is shootout between Versatile and citi.zen. Maybe it is me, but I think citi.zen was unnecessarily demeaning in his accusation against Versatile. Line "This is slightly more ... barely" was completely unneeded, and ho the mud swinging begins. Currently I don't know what to make out of this since encouraging discussion is highly beneficial to the town, and he might have wanted to coax out more material to work with, but both parties are being too emotional (?) for mot liking, with what I suppose is Versatile's OMGUS vote. I'll be keeping my eye out for the both of them.
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Doesn't matter what day it is, we should always prioritize killing Mafia. The thing is just the fact that people are voting for whoever they think is scum/they surely know is innocent is telling.
But on to a finer point: Vivi is just bad. In fact I don't even have to tell you, and you don't even have to read past games to know - look at his response in this very thread. Instead of even trying to look innocent he kinda shrugs it off and casually tosses a vote onto fishball. Bad players don't help you win and no one else except nemy looks remotely suspicious.
Also, Vivi is a lurker. So if you want to say we should start lynching lurkers to force them to post then we might as well lynch the scummiest of all the lurkers. Between Vivi57, yourself and Abenson reading this thread from the beginning who looks the scummiest? My answer would be set on Vivi57 just like my vote.
As for citizen and Versatile I thought that was just hilarity. People insult each other all the time in Mafia games and that didn't seem over the top to me. Also being emotional isn't exactly a bad thing ^_^
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my bad, error in the last post. Vivi placed a Fos on Fishball but voted on johnnyspazz.
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Can someone explain the terminology we are using? Like mainly the meanings behind it.
WIFOM is whine in front of me, but i don't understand the exact logic behind it
i don't really know the rest... is FoS finger of suspicion?
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Also we still have a day and a half to build a solid case against somebody; no need to randomly go around flinging accusations just because you got butt-hurt by somebody fingering you (i get it at that most of the first votes were just for shits n giggles).
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nemy, i'm beginning to think you're just lazy or looking for random ish to post. i didn't know what those things meant but i put them into google and voila.
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On March 25 2010 02:39 nemY wrote:
Can someone explain the terminology we are using? Like mainly the meanings behind it.
WIFOM is whine in front of me, but i don't understand the exact logic behind it
i don't really know the rest... is FoS finger of suspicion?
You are right, it means finger of suspicion.
I googled it last night myself, since I didn't know what it meant as well.
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Woops, just saw Versatile's post above mine.
My post meant no mockery Nemy. Just stating I didn't know all these acronyms being used as well.
Also, I guess the new trend now is to point a FoS on A, and vote for B 
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On March 25 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote:Woops, just saw Versatile's post above mine. My post meant no mockery Nemy. Just stating I didn't know all these acronyms being used as well. Also, I guess the new trend now is to point a FoS on A, and vote for B
Because there would be no point if we vote for the person we FoS on, right?
It is commonly used to point out secondary suspects, snap some lazy players into attention, and fake-vote replacement when there are too little player left after all.
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On March 25 2010 02:49 Versatile wrote:
nemy, i'm beginning to think you're just lazy or looking for random ish to post. i didn't know what those things meant but i put them into google and voila.
To be honest, i still don't quite understand the WIFOM scenario, but yeah i googled most of it. Can someone care to elaborate on WIFOM? Regardless, it seems like people are trying to act all hip and cool by using mafia-related terminology, when in fact all they're really saying is NOTHING CONTENT RELATED. It's ok though, I get it. Day One lynches have little, if anything to really be based on. That said I change my vote to ##Abenson## because he's first on the list of people and because he's posted absolutely NOTHING but sarcasm this entire game.
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On March 25 2010 05:52 nemY wrote:
Day One lynches have little, if anything to really be based on. That said I change my vote to ##Abenson## because he's first on the list of people and because he's posted absolutely NOTHING but sarcasm this entire game.
Sure, simply vote for me because I'm the first on the list?!
I would accept not helping the town as an excuse to vote for me, but I fail to see why you would list being first on the list as an excuse. It sounds like you just wanted to vote for me and is trying to find something to justify that no matter how lame it sounds.
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ebwop: at least when it comes to my first reason and i've read that link already, but i still don't really understand how it is used in game.
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Just a reminder: check the vote counts after you make a vote to make sure the votes are counted in the way you intended! I would like to believe that my instructions on how to format a vote are not unreasonable, but if they are so, please let me know!
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On March 25 2010 05:52 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 02:49 Versatile wrote:
nemy, i'm beginning to think you're just lazy or looking for random ish to post. i didn't know what those things meant but i put them into google and voila. To be honest, i still don't quite understand the WIFOM scenario, but yeah i googled most of it. Can someone care to elaborate on WIFOM? Regardless, it seems like people are trying to act all hip and cool by using mafia-related terminology, when in fact all they're really saying is NOTHING CONTENT RELATED. It's ok though, I get it. Day One lynches have little, if anything to really be based on. That said I change my vote to ##Abenson## because he's first on the list of people and because he's posted absolutely NOTHING but sarcasm this entire game.
WIFOM is very simple but it's usually explained in retarded ways. Simplest way to look at it:
1.) I can do X to you.
2.) You know I can do X, so you will do Y.
3.) I know that you can do Y, so I'll do Z.
4.) You know that I know you can do Y, and that I can do Z, so you'll do A.
5.) I know .....so I'll go back to doing X.
It's just a way to say "hey if I were you, I'd do this!" and from then on people discuss from there at which point it's no longer rational to do X,Y,Z or A (because in a game of Mafia none of the 4 choices usually exist, it's usually like 2 and MAYBE 3 at best).
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my bad, it shouldn't say none. It should read: not all 4 choices exist, and not all of them are equal anyway.
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At this point, johnny is almost definitely scum. PBPA of johnny:
1: asks why ace hates me a couple posts after the start of the game. Essentially a post with no content, although the game is so early you can't really count this against him.
2: random vote on nemy. I've already commented about this.
3: reply to my accusation. Jumps on my weak point about his first post, completely ignores the main point I make about his weak vote late into the day, and complains that I haven't defended myself. To top it all off, he puts a vote on me with no real reason cited.
If this wasn't enough, look more closely. Once I accused him, it took him 6 minutes to reply to me before and after which he was nowhere to be seen. If this isn't active lurking then I don't know what is.
It's very cute that you guys are spreading votes, but we need to work together to lynch the mafia.
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Nobody is almost definitely anything at this point. Johnny isn't playing out of character, as far as I can tell. Look at the archives from Mafia XX for example.
In this game we have to get people to contribute/talk a bit more. Even if it's just shooting the breeze at this point :-)
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damn resorting to times between posts to accuse me of mafia? now, i don't know how legit of an argument that is but to me it seems weak.
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No it really is pretty weak :/
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As of now, there are approximately 21 hours until the end of the day when the lynch will take place.
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lawl, this is what we get for letting 2 games run at the same time.
Anyway, if anyone still cares about the game, if I die, dt should check ace tonight.
Oh, and there's a good chance I won't be back before the deadline, but I might be back around 9pm est.
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##Vote vivi57##
I'll see how Ace's arguments holds up.
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what does that mean? Seems like you're trying to say if this lynch fails and Vivi flips innocent I'm at fault. Clarify?
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Personally I don't have clear suspect yet, so I am just bandwagoning with the experienced player here before I get mod-killed.
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That's fine, but which part of what Ace said swayed you?
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Well I don't think anyone has a clear suspect, right now we're just going with the lynch of who seems to be a minimal loss. I might have taken my vote off of Vivi but looking at all his posts it's just a never ending trail of finger pointing.
Also where is everyone else? Let's not allow discussion to stall so people can lollurk their way through the game.
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On March 26 2010 00:04 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 23:37 L wrote:
1) If abenson confirms that he/opz are masons, killing one of them lets every person in the game roleclaim to opz via confirmation. This is big shit.
How can we role-claim to him without getting it also known by anyone else when PM is prohibited?
From the other game, but clearly that could be a problem here as well. No private PM weakens trust circles = trouble for town. Right?
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On March 26 2010 00:28 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 00:04 haster27 wrote:On March 25 2010 23:37 L wrote:
1) If abenson confirms that he/opz are masons, killing one of them lets every person in the game roleclaim to opz via confirmation. This is big shit.
How can we role-claim to him without getting it also known by anyone else when PM is prohibited? From the other game, but clearly that could be a problem here as well. No private PM weakens trust circles = trouble for town. Right?
But there are only one blue role in this game, so although we can't organize, as long as that player is capable we'll be fine- unlike the other game where I suppose are plethora of blue roles and nukes present. Less individuals more simplicity.
By the way Ace, speaking of that other game do you any idea who are the Mafia over there?
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On March 25 2010 09:24 Vivi57 wrote:
At this point, johnny is almost definitely scum. PBPA of johnny:
1: asks why ace hates me a couple posts after the start of the game. Essentially a post with no content, although the game is so early you can't really count this against him.
2: random vote on nemy. I've already commented about this.
3: reply to my accusation. Jumps on my weak point about his first post, completely ignores the main point I make about his weak vote late into the day, and complains that I haven't defended myself. To top it all off, he puts a vote on me with no real reason cited.
If this wasn't enough, look more closely. Once I accused him, it took him 6 minutes to reply to me before and after which he was nowhere to be seen. If this isn't active lurking then I don't know what is.
It's very cute that you guys are spreading votes, but we need to work together to lynch the mafia.
Can we seriously stop with the acronyms? Seriously it took me 10 minutes of looking up what PBPA meant... only to find nothing and then sit there and realize how fucking retarded I am: POINT BY POINT ANALYSIS.
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Oh yeah I'm not really sure why my vote for Abenson isn't being recognized, I think I did it right didn't I? ##Vote Abenson##
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On March 26 2010 05:55 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 09:24 Vivi57 wrote:
At this point, johnny is almost definitely scum. PBPA of johnny:
1: asks why ace hates me a couple posts after the start of the game. Essentially a post with no content, although the game is so early you can't really count this against him.
2: random vote on nemy. I've already commented about this.
3: reply to my accusation. Jumps on my weak point about his first post, completely ignores the main point I make about his weak vote late into the day, and complains that I haven't defended myself. To top it all off, he puts a vote on me with no real reason cited.
If this wasn't enough, look more closely. Once I accused him, it took him 6 minutes to reply to me before and after which he was nowhere to be seen. If this isn't active lurking then I don't know what is.
It's very cute that you guys are spreading votes, but we need to work together to lynch the mafia. Can we seriously stop with the acronyms? Seriously it took me 10 minutes of looking up what PBPA meant... only to find nothing and then sit there and realize how fucking retarded I am: POINT BY POINT ANALYSIS.
Oh yeah I really feel like you can discredit reasons #1, #2, and #4 (if you want to call it that, you didn't actually number it).
For #2: he voted for me in both game simultaneously; Maybe he thinks I really am mafia, but it seems more like he was just joking around/putting a place-card vote on me.
#4: sometimes you just have good timing to when somebody posts about you. Sure it looks somewhat suspicious, but sometimes you just have that "ee han timing" when you log on to TL and see somebody's trying to lynch-rape you.
Take into account #2 and #4 and you can pretty much discredit #1 as well, which you said yourself isn't that much of a valid reason.
Of course this could look rrrrrreaaaaalllllly bad on my part if he ends up flipping red, but at this point I really think Abenson is a much more valid suspect, seeing as how his only posts consist of joking around, and trying to weakly defend himself when he's attacked.
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There are approximately 5 hours left until the day is over and the votes for lynching are finalized. The day ends at 10pm EST. Or 11:00 KST/TeamLiquid time.
@nemy. There is a difference between your latest, recognizable vote, and your earlier unrecognized one.
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Yeah, I get it now... I forgot to add the word "vote" in when I voted
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Does the Mafia have nukes in your game Ace?
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On March 26 2010 00:38 Ace wrote:
naw I don't (know) ^_^
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lol at ace accusing me of just pointing a bunch of fingers.
I'm pretty sure johnny is mafia at this point and if he flips red, ace is very likely to be the other mafia. The reason for checking ace tonight over johnny is that ace is very good at misleading the town regardless of role and if we let him do that while red, the game is already lost.
Also, I'm going to go ahead and claim medic so I can laugh at you guys when you leave your votes on me and I flip blue.
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Under 2 hours left until the end of the day!
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Is there any credit to Vivi57's role-claim, or am I just being a worrywart? Although... I suppose he outlived his usefulness at very moment he announced his role because he is going to be killed Night 1 even if we spare him.
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On March 26 2010 09:40 haster27 wrote:
Is there any credit to Vivi57's role-claim, or am I just being a worrywart? Although... I suppose he outlived his usefulness at very moment he announced his role because he is going to be killed Night 1 even if we spare him.
I can vouch. The claim is 100% accurate.
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On March 26 2010 09:14 Zona wrote:
Under 2 hours left until the end of the day!
It seems like it has been forever.
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On March 26 2010 09:52 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 09:14 Zona wrote:
Under 2 hours left until the end of the day! It seems like it has been forever.
It seems like forever as there's few new posts in the thread as no one's discussing anything.
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Vivi you have been pointing fingers. Fishball, me, Jspazz. "check this guy, check that guy, that one is suspect. If he's red, so is this guy". Really, post more. I'm not kidding when people ask me why I think you're so bad.
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Micropolis: End of Day 1
As day turned to dusk, the new residents of the place that would become Micropolis conversed intermittently as they laid the foundations of their new town. Ever mindful of the two mafia agents within their midst, they occasionally accused each other, trying to come to a consensus on who among them to remove that day, in hopes of finding an agent. However, as the day wore on, conversation died down, and the few that talked discussed the on-goings of some alternate reality. Finally, as the sun set beyond the horizon, the town was mostly silent, except for a voice from the doomed. "I'll laugh at you when you see what you votes have done." From a newly-erected lamppost of the town, the others strung a rope from which Vivi57 was hung. But as he died, no incriminating objects fell from his body. Only a battered stethoscope fell down as his body swayed in the wind. Disturbed, the town's residents took to their makeshift shelters for the night. With the loss of the town medic, one among them was guaranteed to die soon.
Vivi57 the medic has been lynched. 6 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Players please PM your night actions by 10pm EST tomorrow. Remember to use the given format in the OP! To clarify any ambiguity, if there is a DT and the DT submits an investigation, the results are not available to the DT until the next morning.
Final vote count for the day's lynch:
1 vote for abenson:
nemy
0 votes for ace:
versatile
1 vote for citi.zen:
versatile
0 votes for fishball:
nemy
0 votes for haster27:
ace
2 votes for johnnyspazz:
abenson
vivi57
1 vote for nemy:
citi.zen
fishball
johnnyspazz
0 votes for versatile:
ace
citi.zen
4 votes for vivi57:
ace
versatile
ace
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
haster27
Unrecognized votes:
versatile: ##vote abenon##
versatile: ##i vote citi.zen##
nemy: ##Abenson ##
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I see no reason not to let vivi live through the day. If the mafia wants to kill him, at least let them do the work. If he is mafia himself, he is at least a known suspect for the future.
I will change my vote.
##Vote johnnyspazz##
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Great timing with that post. Now I look red. I thought we still had 50 minutes?!?
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On March 26 2010 06:10 Zona wrote:
There are approximately 5 hours left until the day is over and the votes for lynching are finalized. The day ends at 10pm EST. Or 11:00 KST/TeamLiquid time.
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I thought it was 11pm EST not KST. Oh well.
On the other hand, given the activity levels, even if we did have another 50 minutes I doubt enough people would have switched. Odd timing for vivi to claim medic... and way to give up on defending himself. Damn it.
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Alright... A medic has been lynched T.T
At least that gives us some valuable information regarding the roles in this game
F11 setup:
Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies
Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies
Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies
Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies
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Please read everything I've posted to ensure that you haven't developed any misconceptions!
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Abenson 2 Mafia, 7 town.
Sigh, Vivi getting medic was pretty much an auto loss from the start.
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On March 26 2010 11:29 Ace wrote:
Abenson 2 Mafia, 7 town.
Sigh, Vivi getting medic was pretty much an auto loss from the start.
In retrospect, I am not sure he played THAT badly. He stated early on he'd be going away until today. The today said he'd be away much of the day. Came back to a (small) bandwagon against him. Role-claimed, which was probably better than being lynched for nothing - as I stated above I think rational townies should have read that and let him live.
I am curious why others who saw his claim earlier than me did not think is was worth switching their vote. Ace, in particular, I would have though would see this, so I am curious what his reasoning was.
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On March 26 2010 09:46 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 09:40 haster27 wrote:
Is there any credit to Vivi57's role-claim, or am I just being a worrywart? Although... I suppose he outlived his usefulness at very moment he announced his role because he is going to be killed Night 1 even if we spare him. I can vouch. The claim is 100% accurate.
gl town.
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My reasoning is simple. I think Vivi is terrible. If you look at games Vivi plays he never helps the town. He just criticizes everyone and bitches and moans.
This thread has only 7 pages and he's managed to accuse at least 3 people?! How is that good town play? Even with the last minute roleclaim he looked shoddy. When you are being band wagoned the last thing you'd want to do is accuse multiple people - they'll tend NOT to take their votes off of you in that case.
Then again, your vote is on him too. Why didn't you switch?
You could have voted for Johnnyspazz and tied it up, hoping someone else switched their vote too. What was your reason for not switching, because we all know I wasn't going to move my vote anyway.
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On March 26 2010 11:43 Ace wrote:My reasoning is simple. I think Vivi is terrible. If you look at games Vivi plays he never helps the town. He just criticizes everyone and bitches and moans. This thread has only 7 pages and he's managed to accuse at least 3 people?! How is that good town play? Even with the last minute roleclaim he looked shoddy. When you are being band wagoned the last thing you'd want to do is accuse multiple people - they'll tend NOT to take their votes off of you in that case. Then again, your vote is on him too. Why didn't you switch? You could have voted for Johnnyspazz and tied it up, hoping someone else switched their vote too. What was your reason for not switching, because we all know I wasn't going to move my vote anyway.
As far as I go, he claimed medic at the wrong time: I left work, came home and spent time with the family, until the kid went to sleep.When I did see his post and had time to digest it I decided it made sense to switch. Unfortunately it was too late.
I don't get how other people who were active in this and/or the other mafia game during this time did not reach the same conclusion. It's pretty rare to lynch someone who claims blue, in any mafia game, no? Ace, haster27, Fishball, Abenson, johnnyspazz (other thread) were all active after Vivi's claim but missed that.
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Also, I am asking you specifically Ace since you are most likely to know lynching someone who claimed blue made little sense. You played a LOT of games and thought about these sort of situations many times.
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who was i supposed to switch my vote for if i had the second highest number of votes? each of the votes against me were ridiculous and not based on useful information. the votes of were too scattered. vivi57 made the claim way too late for the town to take advantage of it.
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On March 26 2010 11:52 citi.zen wrote:
Also, I am asking you specifically Ace since you are most likely to know lynching someone who claimed blue made little sense. You played a LOT of games and thought about these sort of situations many times.
???
You must not know me ^_^
I'm one of the few people who'd lynch a DT or medic claiming Day 1 in a second.
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On March 26 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 11:52 citi.zen wrote:
Also, I am asking you specifically Ace since you are most likely to know lynching someone who claimed blue made little sense. You played a LOT of games and thought about these sort of situations many times. ??? You must not know me ^_^ I'm one of the few people who'd lynch a DT or medic claiming Day 1 in a second.
Why is that?
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he hates 1st day roleclaims. they can't be substantiated until a death occurs for the most part.
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because they can't be proven and they usually have no reason to claim. If you're a Medic especially, argue your way to hell and back until you are 100% positive no one is going to change and you are sure you've made lots of rational pro-town arguments. If you RC you die that night anyway. If you live because people change their minds you live to make a possible protection.
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On March 26 2010 12:24 Versatile wrote:
he hates 1st day roleclaims. they can't be substantiated until a death occurs for the most part.
We all have times when we "hate" how others play, but in the end the whole premise of the game is you "play to win" not "play to eliminate those you feel are idiots".
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On March 26 2010 12:25 Ace wrote:
because they can't be proven and they usually have no reason to claim. If you're a Medic especially, argue your way to hell and back until you are 100% positive no one is going to change and you are sure you've made lots of rational pro-town arguments. If you RC you die that night anyway. If you live because people change their minds you live to make a possible protection.
1. He didn't role-claim until he was pretty sure to be getting lynched. Of course, I agree with you that a stronger player would have tried to argue their way out of being lynched instead. Still, this claim did not come out of the blue.
2. If a medic claims it's still better to let the mafia waste the KP, no? Why waste the lynch instead and let the mafia kill someone else?
So I am far from convinced it makes sense to kill someone who claims blue. I am not saying claiming on day 1 is the smart thing to do, but given that some player does it, I see no rational reason to vote them off.
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of course he was pretty sure he was getting lynched but look at what else I said - making rational pro-town arguments. Vivi did none of that. He went out throwing accusations out on several people with nothing. That is not pro-town play.
If a medic claims why should you let them live? Look at what you're suggesting:
Player A claims medic on day 1.
The town lets him live, saying that if the Mafia kill him he's proved he is a medic.
The Mafia knowing this, has a really good option not to kill the medic because the town will lynch him the next day.
If the medic lives that night, the town can't go back and say "well maybe the Mafia decided not to hit him". Why would we? We'd be back in Day 1 a player short and in the same position.
Then there's the classic argument of why would Mafia claim Medic when they are about to die - why not? The optimal play is staying alive.If scum feels a medic claim will confound the town, let him live another day and be able to weasel away with it then he's winning. Just because players are bad doesn't mean the play the town made was bad itself. He flipped medic but everything before his claim was terrible play. Any good player would have called for his head.
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The Mafia knowing this, has a really good option not to kill the medic because the town will lynch him the next day.
If the medic lives that night, the town can't go back and say "well maybe the Mafia decided not to hit him". Why would we? We'd be back in Day 1 a player short and in the same position.
Next day there still isn't any good reason for the town to lynch him, unless the mafia happened to kill a medic during the night making it plainly obvious he was lying. Otherwise the same logic applies: let the mafia waste the KP and/or wait for a DT check or a competing medic claim/death to clarify things/provide more information.
Then there's the classic argument of why would Mafia claim Medic when they are about to die - why not? The optimal play is staying alive.If scum feels a medic claim will confound the town, let him live another day and be able to weasel away with it then he's winning.
If a red role-claims they are taking a major risk: the "real" blue is out there looking to nail them. This is a better position for town than what we have now. If the "real" medic somehow dies the town automatically knows the initial role-claim was false and bam, we have a red.
The bottom line is that there is no reason for the town to risk killing a blue. Even if the mafia lets them live to spread confusion, or even if the claim was false and he was red, the town has more information.
Again, I feel like you know all this and we're just going through the motions here.
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I'm gonna guess you haven't played many Mafia games where scum blatantly lie. If a player can't be confirmed you have 0 reason to assume they are legit.
The Mafia knowing this, has a really good option not to kill the medic because the town will lynch him the next day.
If the medic lives that night, the town can't go back and say "well maybe the Mafia decided not to hit him". Why would we? We'd be back in Day 1 a player short and in the same position.
Next day there still isn't any good reason for the town to lynch him, unless the mafia happened to kill a medic during the night making it plainly obvious he was lying. Otherwise the same logic applies: let the mafia waste the KP and/or wait for a DT check or a competing medic claim/death to clarify things/provide more information.
There IS a good reason for the town to lynch him. Look, if the Mafia never hit a medic but always get their kills through the real medic is essentially useless.
What is the town going to do? Blame the medic? They can't because they aren't even sure the medic is legit.
Do you think the REAL medic is going to roleclaim?! Seriously? Which is going to definitely result in a dead medic that night - the same thing you want to avoid. Mafia don't waste KP killing medics - thats exactly what they want. Medics aren't there to take bullets that is just absurd thinking.
Then in a small game as this, you want the DT to RC the medic which just helps what I'm trying to tell you - the DT must not believe the medic claim. Else why would he "waste a rolecheck" right? :D
If a red role-claims they are taking a major risk: the "real" blue is out there looking to nail them. This is a better position for town than what we have now. If the "real" medic somehow dies the town automatically knows the initial role-claim was false and bam, we have a red.
The bottom line is that there is no reason for the town to risk killing a blue. Even if the mafia lets them live to spread confusion, or even if the claim was false and he was red, the town has more information.
Again, I feel like you know all this and we're just going through the motions here.
You don't ever let unconfirmed power roles run around. You don't let players live "because they might be blue". Unless they have very convincing arguments then they shouldn't be left alive. There IS no better position for the town. If you have an outted medic and the Mafia know they can get kills off with the medic still living THE TOWN LOSES. Point blank. Because the longer the medic lives in the open with the claim the more sketchy the medic looks. Everyone who has played with me knows I will kill Day 1 claimers. Ask any decent player thats played with people that aren't afraid to false claim and you'll see them rage about how dumb the town was for letting the guy live "because he might be legit". Scum's entire strategy revolves around staying alive.
I guess if I live tonight, role claim DT tomorrow and say I got an innocent result on Fishball I deserve to live right? Because I might be a blue and no one counter-claimed me.
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There IS a good reason for the town to lynch him. Look, if the Mafia never hit a medic but always get their kills through the real medic is essentially useless.
It seems wrong to assume an untrustworthy medic is useless. As long as they are alive, the medic can still protect people each night. Worst case scenario: they protect scum, and people still get killed, no worse than having no medic. However, there is a chance they will protect someone the mafia would hit, particularly in such a small game where it’s not THAT hard to keep track of who is doing what.
What is the town going to do? Blame the medic? They can't because they aren't even sure the medic is legit
There are no PMs in this game, everyone plays in the open & the medic decides what to do/who to protect. It thus makes very little difference if the town thinks the medic is "legit".
Do you think the REAL medic is going to roleclaim?! Seriously? Which is going to definitely result in a dead medic that night - the same thing you want to avoid.
If a red lied and the “real” medic is still alive there are plenty of scenarios where it makes sense for them to RC. For example… if there is only one red left in the game - the fake claimer.
Mafia don't waste KP killing medics - thats exactly what they want. Medics aren't there to take bullets that is just absurd thinking.
Once the medic is about to be lynched anyway they might as well try to take a bullet - it's better than dying for no reason what-so-ever. Play to win, not to get even, right?
Then in a small game as this, you want the DT to RC the medic which just helps what I'm trying to tell you - the DT must not believe the medic claim. Else why would he "waste a rolecheck" right? :D
I never said the DT should RC immediately. There are scenarios down the road when, if the DT is still alive and the guy who claims medic is acting really shifty or there is a limited set of suspects it might make sense to RC them.
You don't ever let unconfirmed power roles run around. You don't let players live "because they might be blue". Unless they have very convincing arguments then they shouldn't be left alive. There IS no better position for the town. If you have an outted medic and the Mafia know they can get kills off with the medic still living THE TOWN LOSES. Point blank. Because the longer the medic lives in the open with the claim the more sketchy the medic looks.
If a shifty medic lives a few more nights he gets to protect people + we don't waste a lynching.
I guess if I live tonight, role claim DT tomorrow and say I got an innocent result on Fishball I deserve to live right? Because I might be a blue and no one counter-claimed me.
As I explained before, if anyone role-claims blue I would assume they are indeed blue, or red, but at any rate not green.
At this point you've sort of made too many confusing arguments for my taste, so I would be leaning towards red. The one thing making me hesitant is this:
On March 22 2010 02:34 L wrote:
I think this game is going to be worth watching from the outside to see Ace and Vivi go at it.
Of course, if what's going on here is a pre-existing grudge it would mean you aren't doing the town (or yourself) any favors.
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Hi guys...
I have water polo tournament (provincials, Yay!) this weekend and I'm just about to leave for it. Unfortunately, the coaches have placed a ban on all computers, video games, etc. So I will be unable to bring my laptop.
Therefore I will be inactive for the next 3 days, sorry for the inconvenience. You may replace me if you have to.
I apologize again for this and I hope the rest of you have fun.
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Poor Zona and his controlled set-up, it's being stressed in so many ways.
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If anyone reading this thread wants to replace in for Abenson, PM me. There isn't that much to catch up on, less than 8 pages. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing...well...
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Lol I think nobody is paying attention to this thread that much to have pulled off maneuver that tried to save vivi57. Either way, I thought it did not matter b/c he was going to get Mafia-killed right after anyway, and we did not have any secondary clear suspect to go against.
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By the way, mafia KP is 1 in this game, right?
+ Show Spoiler +I am going by this, unless I screwed up the counting: - The earliest the mafia can win is night 3. The chance of this occurring randomly is approximately 24%.
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On March 27 2010 00:13 citi.zen wrote:By the way, mafia KP is 1 in this game, right? + Show Spoiler +I am going by this, unless I screwed up the counting: - The earliest the mafia can win is night 3. The chance of this occurring randomly is approximately 24%.
Yes.
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On March 27 2010 00:01 haster27 wrote:
Lol I think nobody is paying attention to this thread that much to have pulled off maneuver that tried to save vivi57. Either way, I thought it did not matter b/c he was going to get Mafia-killed right after anyway, and we did not have any secondary clear suspect to go against.
We also didn't have a clear no. 1 suspect though. The important thing is: do you think it was the right call to lynch him after he claimed blue?
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at the end of the day, you voted for Vivi to die and you weren't here to "save" him. I stick by my decision that he should have been dead no matter what he claims because he's terrible regardless. We can talk about and I can show you multiple examples of why you don't trust Day 1 medic claims after this is over.
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RebirthOfLeGenD is replacing in for Abenson.
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O hai all~ I have work tonight but I will be posting after around 10:30 EST.
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On March 27 2010 00:13 citi.zen wrote:
By the way, mafia KP is 1 in this game, right?
On March 21 2010 10:41 Zona wrote:
Mafia:
Each night, your team MUST choose one person to kill.
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Oh man...
Anyway, to this:
On March 27 2010 00:58 Ace wrote:
at the end of the day, you voted for Vivi to die and you weren't here to "save" him. I stick by my decision that he should have been dead no matter what he claims because he's terrible regardless. We can talk about and I can show you multiple examples of why you don't trust Day 1 medic claims after this is over.
Whether you trust the claim is not the point. Especially with this set-up: killing a suspected red on day one keeps KP unchanged; killing a medic, bad. The downside >> upside as far as I can tell.
Anyway. Nobody else seems to care, so... it is what it is.
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Fishball, johnnyspazz, nemY, Versatile - your thoughts on the blue claim and subsequent lynching would be greatly appreciated. Haster - a clearer answer from you would be nice as well.
Silence is good for mafia at this point.
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thoughts? i wasn't around when the roleclaim occurred, and he was already lynched when i got back.
what more is there to say?
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On March 27 2010 03:43 Versatile wrote:
thoughts? i wasn't around when the roleclaim occurred, and he was already lynched when i got back.
what more is there to say?
Do you think it was the right decision? Would you have changed your vote had you been online? Why/why not?
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yes. no. 1st day roleclaims are stupid.
honestly. even IF i were a fan of first day roleclaims, vivi didn't do it right.
#1. if you're going to roleclaim, do it in a timely fashion. let's say he roleclaimed earlier, given us maybe 24hrs to validate his claim. first off, that gives us a chance to see if anyone else counterclaims. if there isn't a counterclaim, that works in the claimer's favor and maybe some votes would get moved around. if there IS a counterclaim, well, good job, now we've got 1 confirmed mafia.
but this is really risky and i doubt mafia would go for this strategy.
#2. why the HELL would a medic claim? the medic cannot protect them self....so. give yourself away to mafia, why don't you?
so, back to square one, first day claiming sucks.
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Look, I fully agree Vivi played horribly. I am not asking whether you think he is a good player or not.
Rather, given vivi did claim (instead of defending himself) - what should a good pro-town player have done? Vote them off or not? Is getting rid of a weak player worth wasting a lynching and losing a medic?
+ Show Spoiler +As a side note, Vivi didn't intend to claim as a deliberate strategy, he only did it when it became pretty clear he was getting lynched anyway. This addresses both #1 and #2 in your post. Of course, I still think he should have argued his way out of it rather than flap his hands and say byebye - I told you so at the last moment.
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did you not read my post? i wasn't commenting on whether or not he's a good player. those were my thoughts on the strategy. the way it was done, in this game, he should have still been lynched. period.
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... because it puts the town in a better position?
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You said vivi should have been lynched. period. I am just making sure you think this is for the benefit of the town, not just to get rid of a bad player. They are not always the same thing, especially with randomly distributed roles. Background under the spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2010 13:46 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +The Mafia knowing this, has a really good option not to kill the medic because the town will lynch him the next day.
If the medic lives that night, the town can't go back and say "well maybe the Mafia decided not to hit him". Why would we? We'd be back in Day 1 a player short and in the same position.
Next day there still isn't any good reason for the town to lynch him, unless the mafia happened to kill a medic during the night making it plainly obvious he was lying. Otherwise the same logic applies: let the mafia waste the KP and/or wait for a DT check or a competing medic claim/death to clarify things/provide more information. Show nested quote +Then there's the classic argument of why would Mafia claim Medic when they are about to die - why not? The optimal play is staying alive.If scum feels a medic claim will confound the town, let him live another day and be able to weasel away with it then he's winning. If a red role-claims they are taking a major risk: the "real" blue is out there looking to nail them. This is a better position for town than what we have now. If the "real" medic somehow dies the town automatically knows the initial role-claim was false and bam, we have a red. The bottom line is that there is no reason for the town to risk killing a blue. Even if the mafia lets them live to spread confusion, or even if the claim was false and he was red, the town has more information. Again, I feel like you know all this and we're just going through the motions here. On March 26 2010 22:56 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +There IS a good reason for the town to lynch him. Look, if the Mafia never hit a medic but always get their kills through the real medic is essentially useless. It seems wrong to assume an untrustworthy medic is useless. As long as they are alive, the medic can still protect people each night. Worst case scenario: they protect scum, and people still get killed, no worse than having no medic. However, there is a chance they will protect someone the mafia would hit, particularly in such a small game where it’s not THAT hard to keep track of who is doing what. Show nested quote +What is the town going to do? Blame the medic? They can't because they aren't even sure the medic is legit There are no PMs in this game, everyone plays in the open & the medic decides what to do/who to protect. It thus makes very little difference if the town thinks the medic is "legit". Show nested quote +Do you think the REAL medic is going to roleclaim?! Seriously? Which is going to definitely result in a dead medic that night - the same thing you want to avoid. If a red lied and the “real” medic is still alive there are plenty of scenarios where it makes sense for them to RC. For example… if there is only one red left in the game - the fake claimer. Show nested quote +Mafia don't waste KP killing medics - thats exactly what they want. Medics aren't there to take bullets that is just absurd thinking. Once the medic is about to be lynched anyway they might as well try to take a bullet - it's better than dying for no reason what-so-ever. Play to win, not to get even, right? Show nested quote +Then in a small game as this, you want the DT to RC the medic which just helps what I'm trying to tell you - the DT must not believe the medic claim. Else why would he "waste a rolecheck" right? :D I never said the DT should RC immediately. There are scenarios down the road when, if the DT is still alive and the guy who claims medic is acting really shifty or there is a limited set of suspects it might make sense to RC them. Show nested quote +You don't ever let unconfirmed power roles run around. You don't let players live "because they might be blue". Unless they have very convincing arguments then they shouldn't be left alive. There IS no better position for the town. If you have an outted medic and the Mafia know they can get kills off with the medic still living THE TOWN LOSES. Point blank. Because the longer the medic lives in the open with the claim the more sketchy the medic looks. If a shifty medic lives a few more nights he gets to protect people + we don't waste a lynching. Show nested quote +I guess if I live tonight, role claim DT tomorrow and say I got an innocent result on Fishball I deserve to live right? Because I might be a blue and no one counter-claimed me. As I explained before, if anyone role-claims blue I would assume they are indeed blue, or red, but at any rate not green.At this point you've sort of made too many confusing arguments for my taste, so I would be leaning towards red. The one thing making me hesitant is this: Show nested quote +On March 22 2010 02:34 L wrote:
I think this game is going to be worth watching from the outside to see Ace and Vivi go at it. Of course, if what's going on here is a pre-existing grudge it would mean you aren't doing the town (or yourself) any favors.
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On March 27 2010 01:55 citi.zen wrote:
Fishball, johnnyspazz, nemY, Versatile - your thoughts on the blue claim and subsequent lynching would be greatly appreciated. Haster - a clearer answer from you would be nice as well.
Silence is good for mafia at this point.
I didn't vote for Vivi so I don't have much to say on it. It came too late to change the outcome of anything and assuming he had claimed earlier, who would we have lynched instead? I hate RCers anyways (although we have played in games where it's worked). That being said being a medic down suuuuuuuucccccks for the DT. Told ya we should have lynched Abension (now RoL).
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yeah, yo. i voted for you citizen. what the are you questioning us for again?
aren't you the person who was online and could have saved him?
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On March 27 2010 10:07 Versatile wrote:
yeah, yo. i voted for you citizen. what the are you questioning us for again?
aren't you the person who was online and could have saved him?
I won't make another comment on your reading skills so others don't say I am being unnecessarily harsh, but here:
On March 26 2010 11:50 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 11:43 Ace wrote:My reasoning is simple. I think Vivi is terrible. If you look at games Vivi plays he never helps the town. He just criticizes everyone and bitches and moans. This thread has only 7 pages and he's managed to accuse at least 3 people?! How is that good town play? Even with the last minute roleclaim he looked shoddy. When you are being band wagoned the last thing you'd want to do is accuse multiple people - they'll tend NOT to take their votes off of you in that case. Then again, your vote is on him too. Why didn't you switch? You could have voted for Johnnyspazz and tied it up, hoping someone else switched their vote too. What was your reason for not switching, because we all know I wasn't going to move my vote anyway. As far as I go, he claimed medic at the wrong time: I left work, came home and spent time with the family, until the kid went to sleep.When I did see his post and had time to digest it I decided it made sense to switch. Unfortunately it was too late. I don't get how other people who were active in this and/or the other mafia game during this time did not reach the same conclusion. It's pretty rare to lynch someone who claims blue, in any mafia game, no? Ace, haster27, Fishball, Abenson, johnnyspazz (other thread) were all active after Vivi's claim but missed that.
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didn't see that. i skip over most of your posts. i've decided they're useless.
: )
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On March 27 2010 10:17 Versatile wrote:
didn't see that. i skip over most of your posts. i've decided they're useless.
: )
Might as well stop pretending to reply to them then, no? Much appreciated.
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I find it funny that you voted to lynch Vivi but are trying to lay the blame game on everyone else. Hilarious.
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On March 27 2010 10:37 Ace wrote:
I find it funny that you voted to lynch Vivi but are trying to lay the blame game on everyone else. Hilarious.
I sure did. Before he role-claimed.
I am not trying to place the blame on anyone, just to get the town to think and contribute. "Play to win" and all that. Or not, we could just sit here silent and follow the other game.
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Micropolis: Start of Day 2:
The frigid night once again became day, as the remaining living residents of Micropolis woke and considered themselves lucky to be alive. Soon they congregated at the central square, to resume their work in building the new town, continuing despite the aura of death that hung over them. As they awkwardly greeted each other that morning, it soon became obvious who was missing: Versatile. Abandoning any respect for the dead, they all went over to the tent where she had slept. The scene was gruesome. A single bullet in the head, with freshly dried blood still warm all around her. But unable to contain their curiosity, the town looked through her belongings which still lay around her. One of them exclaimed as they found the remnants of a fingerprinting toolkit. Versatile must have been some sort of investigator before she fled for the sanctuary of this secluded new town.
Versatile the detective has been killed during the night. 5 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Day 2 ends in approximately 48 hours, at March 28, 10pm EST (or March 29, 11:00 KST TeamLiquid time)! Votes are now once again being counted!
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...What is this I don't even.
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##vote citizen##
I'm sure you aren't surprised about this right?
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Right... Vivi got medic and Versatile DT. Solid.
@ Ace - I am not surprised at all. I argued with two people: Versatile and yourself. She died. I look suspicious. You are alive. As stated multiple times, I also disagree with your statement that lynching Vivi was the right call, even after you saw he claimed medic. It's all in the thread, town-aligned players would read those exchanges.
I'll say this: take my posts out and you have nothing going on in this thread. Make up your own mids what, if anything, that means about my alignment.
If we screw up the day 2 lynch it's 3 v 2 on day 3, so all 3 town players would need to agree to vote for the same red player. Maybe it's time to start contributing.
##Vote Ace##
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Remaining Player list
RebirthOfLeGenD
Ace
citi.zen
Fishball
haster27
johnnyspazz
nemY
7 players left, 2 are Mafia.
I know I'm green, so that leaves me with 6 choices.
If I vote randomly, there is a 33% chance I will hit a Mafia.
Now lets take a look at the order of Zona's list of players.
On March 21 2010 10:42 Zona wrote:
Player list
1. Abenson replaced by RebirthOfLeGenD (aka rol)
2. Ace
3. citi.zen (aka: citizen)
4. Fishball
5. haster27 (aka: haster)
6. johnnyspazz (aka: johnny, jonny, or jonnyspazz)
7. nemY
8. Versatile (aka: vers) the detective, killed Night 1
9. Vivi57 (aka: vivi) the medic, lynched Day 1
As pure speculation, it would be fair to say there will be a Mafia in 1-3 and another one in 5-7.
Granted, this is purely speculation, as we already have 2 blues at the bottom of the list, and Zona might not have used the exact order to generate roles.
There is a good chance that either Ace or citi.zen, that one of them could be red.
This thread citi.zen has posted the most, with Ace being second. Versatile haven't posted much at all, just like me, Nemy etc., yet she was hit. Why?
Previous history? Ace definitely knows her more than anyone else here. Random hit? Could be anyone. How random can this be?
Of course people can say, "What if you are lying? What if you are Mafia?".
Well to those 4 other Townies out there, you know who you are. I don't need you to believe what I say, but I want you to be aware of the situation.
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On March 27 2010 11:42 citi.zen wrote:
Right... Vivi got medic and Versatile DT. Solid.
@ Ace - I am not surprised at all. I argued with two people: Versatile and yourself. She died. I look suspicious. You are alive. As stated multiple times, I also disagree with your statement that lynching Vivi was the right call, even after you saw he claimed medic. It's all in the thread, town-aligned players would read those exchanges.
I'll say this: take my posts out and you have nothing going on in this thread. Make up your own mids what, if anything, that means about my alignment.
If we screw up the day 2 lynch it's 3 v 2 on day 3, so all 3 town players would need to agree to vote for the same red player. Maybe it's time to start contributing.
##Vote Ace##
You already know just like everyone else that Vivi claiming Medic wasn't going to change my vote. I've already explain that. So saying "even when you saw Vivi claim medic" isn't helpful at all. On the other hand YOU could have saved him. You didn't change your vote and now want to make it look like I'm at fault. I've stood by my decision wholeheartedly while you are not even acknowledging you yourself are a cause of his death.
Likewise if you take my posts out of this thread game activity drops also. How does that make you more innocent than anyone else?
@Fishball: Yea I know Verse better than anyone. Doesn't mean it's my fault she's dead. The more I read citizen's posts the more scummy he comes across. He points out that he argued with Versatile, she died, and he looks suspect. As if the notion of admitting he might be scummy clears him in my eyes.
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Ironically, I am quoting the dead here.
On March 27 2010 03:57 Versatile wrote:
yes. no. 1st day roleclaims are stupid.
honestly. even IF i were a fan of first day roleclaims, vivi didn't do it right.
#1. if you're going to roleclaim, do it in a timely fashion. let's say he roleclaimed earlier, given us maybe 24hrs to validate his claim. first off, that gives us a chance to see if anyone else counterclaims. if there isn't a counterclaim, that works in the claimer's favor and maybe some votes would get moved around. if there IS a counterclaim, well, good job, now we've got 1 confirmed mafia.
but this is really risky and i doubt mafia would go for this strategy.
#2. why the HELL would a medic claim? the medic cannot protect them self....so. give yourself away to mafia, why don't you?
so, back to square one, first day claiming sucks.
I agree completely with Versatile here. Ace I don't agree with killing the roleclaimer and I think vivi did a horrendous job with it. The problem is that you logically are correct. You CANNOT confirm a medic claim without sacrificing the other medic. However the mafia are risking that there is not another medic in the game.
If there is a medic in the game then what will happen is the medic just has to claim as well and we kill the first claimer, and then kill the counterclaim if necessary.
The only problem here is that there is no way of knowing whether or not there is a medic so its a real risky play on mafias part. So I think killing a claimer either way is worth it. In this setup losing your medic or DT for a mafia is completely worth it. Either one cannot be validated since an actual DT would check someone and know if they were town aligned or mafia aligned and a fake DT would know who the mafia are. No role claims can be substantiated, ever.
But I do overall agree, first day claiming is dumb, and as a mafia move it is even more stupid. However a kill-able offense is questionable considering how much more risky it is as mafia, considering counter claim = rape and you pointed out how much it can suck losing a mafia member real quick.
Since even you Ace disagree with the depth of a WIFOM argument I am going to have to say you are mafia.
We can say that Citizen argued with Vers because he read her role perfectly then killed her so that he would be "suspicious" because of his arguing with her, which would be what Ace would do because he knows how the town would read it.
It is much easier (and goes with what you believe) to say that you killed Versatile because you had a read on her and either purposely or coincidentally Citizen had been fighting with her the entire time.
Which would be Citizen mind fucking us. From day 1.
##Vote Ace##
Sorry buddy, no scum in my city.
Anyway guys, that is my thought for the day. I am going to head to sleep and I have 12 hours of work tomorrow so I won't be on again until late at night (another 10:30 EST approx)
GL Anyone disagree with my analysys? My secondary suspect is Fishball, but I am not too convinced on anyone else <3
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On March 25 2010 07:20 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 05:52 nemY wrote:On March 25 2010 02:49 Versatile wrote:
nemy, i'm beginning to think you're just lazy or looking for random ish to post. i didn't know what those things meant but i put them into google and voila. To be honest, i still don't quite understand the WIFOM scenario, but yeah i googled most of it. Can someone care to elaborate on WIFOM? Regardless, it seems like people are trying to act all hip and cool by using mafia-related terminology, when in fact all they're really saying is NOTHING CONTENT RELATED. It's ok though, I get it. Day One lynches have little, if anything to really be based on. That said I change my vote to ##Abenson## because he's first on the list of people and because he's posted absolutely NOTHING but sarcasm this entire game. WIFOM is very simple but it's usually explained in retarded ways. Simplest way to look at it: 1.) I can do X to you. 2.) You know I can do X, so you will do Y. 3.) I know that you can do Y, so I'll do Z. 4.) You know that I know you can do Y, and that I can do Z, so you'll do A. 5.) I know .....so I'll go back to doing X. It's just a way to say "hey if I were you, I'd do this!" and from then on people discuss from there at which point it's no longer rational to do X,Y,Z or A (because in a game of Mafia none of the 4 choices usually exist, it's usually like 2 and MAYBE 3 at best).
Just a for fun to bring it back up.
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I don't even know how to respond to your post RoL. There are logic jumps everywhere :/
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Not really.
Also I had a humorous thought. I would laugh my ass off if in your WaW mafia game there is no mafia, and you just want to see how long it takes for everyone to kill each other. The win condition being 10 days without death from radiation levels.
I would laugh at everyone playing the game.
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It is confusing. I'm trying to write it down and see how it works out, maybe I'm reading it wrong. It just comes across as "Citizen could trick us through arguing and calling himself suspect, but that's the very thing you'd do, hence you're scum" even though I didn't do that. Clarify for me?
Someone already brought that point up about the other game ^_^
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@ Ace. Let's take your statements one by one again...
You already know just like everyone else that Vivi claiming Medic wasn't going to change my vote. I've already explain that.
Yup. You did explain, and I told you why I think your reasoning was questionable. The debate ended with you saying that you would explain further, but only after "this" is over:
On March 27 2010 00:58 Ace wrote:
at the end of the day, you voted for Vivi to die and you weren't here to "save" him. I stick by my decision that he should have been dead no matter what he claims because he's terrible regardless. We can talk about and I can show you multiple examples of why you don't trust Day 1 medic claims after this is over.
Ok... suit yourself.
Next sentence please.
On the other hand YOU could have saved him. You didn't change your vote and now want to make it look like I'm at fault. I've stood by my decision wholeheartedly while you are not even acknowledging you yourself are a cause of his death.
More sketchy logic/selective reading. Of course, I already answered this in detail, twice in fact, and directly to Ace. Yet he continues to "forget".For the sake of playing along, here is what I said:
On March 26 2010 11:50 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 11:43 Ace wrote:My reasoning is simple. I think Vivi is terrible. If you look at games Vivi plays he never helps the town. He just criticizes everyone and bitches and moans. This thread has only 7 pages and he's managed to accuse at least 3 people?! How is that good town play? Even with the last minute roleclaim he looked shoddy. When you are being band wagoned the last thing you'd want to do is accuse multiple people - they'll tend NOT to take their votes off of you in that case. Then again, your vote is on him too. Why didn't you switch? You could have voted for Johnnyspazz and tied it up, hoping someone else switched their vote too. What was your reason for not switching, because we all know I wasn't going to move my vote anyway. As far as I go, he claimed medic at the wrong time: I left work, came home and spent time with the family, until the kid went to sleep.When I did see his post and had time to digest it I decided it made sense to switch. Unfortunately it was too late. I don't get how other people who were active in this and/or the other mafia game during this time did not reach the same conclusion. It's pretty rare to lynch someone who claims blue, in any mafia game, no? Ace, haster27, Fishball, Abenson, johnnyspazz (other thread) were all active after Vivi's claim but missed that.
And no, even if my vote switch were on time, I still could not have saved Vivi by myself, since in the event of a tie the first person with 3 votes still gets lynched.
Likewise if you take my posts out of this thread game activity drops also.
Of course, "game activity drops" if you take any posts out of the thread. This is a moot point, different from my stronger claim:
On March 27 2010 11:42 citi.zen wrote:
I'll say this: take my posts out and you have nothing going on in this thread. Make up your own mids what, if anything, that means about my alignment.
This is of course my own assessment - you all need to make up your own minds here.
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On March 27 2010 12:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Ironically, I am quoting the dead here. Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 03:57 Versatile wrote:
yes. no. 1st day roleclaims are stupid.
honestly. even IF i were a fan of first day roleclaims, vivi didn't do it right.
#1. if you're going to roleclaim, do it in a timely fashion. let's say he roleclaimed earlier, given us maybe 24hrs to validate his claim. first off, that gives us a chance to see if anyone else counterclaims. if there isn't a counterclaim, that works in the claimer's favor and maybe some votes would get moved around. if there IS a counterclaim, well, good job, now we've got 1 confirmed mafia.
but this is really risky and i doubt mafia would go for this strategy.
#2. why the HELL would a medic claim? the medic cannot protect them self....so. give yourself away to mafia, why don't you?
so, back to square one, first day claiming sucks. I agree completely with Versatile here. Ace I don't agree with killing the roleclaimer and I think vivi did a horrendous job with it. The problem is that you logically are correct. You CANNOT confirm a medic claim without sacrificing the other medic. However the mafia are risking that there is not another medic in the game. If there is a medic in the game then what will happen is the medic just has to claim as well and we kill the first claimer, and then kill the counterclaim if necessary. The only problem here is that there is no way of knowing whether or not there is a medic so its a real risky play on mafias part. So I think killing a claimer either way is worth it. In this setup losing your medic or DT for a mafia is completely worth it. Either one cannot be validated since an actual DT would check someone and know if they were town aligned or mafia aligned and a fake DT would know who the mafia are. No role claims can be substantiated, ever. But I do overall agree, first day claiming is dumb, and as a mafia move it is even more stupid. However a kill-able offense is questionable considering how much more risky it is as mafia, considering counter claim = rape and you pointed out how much it can suck losing a mafia member real quick. Since even you Ace disagree with the depth of a WIFOM argument I am going to have to say you are mafia. We can say that Citizen argued with Vers because he read her role perfectly then killed her so that he would be "suspicious" because of his arguing with her, which would be what Ace would do because he knows how the town would read it. It is much easier (and goes with what you believe) to say that you killed Versatile because you had a read on her and either purposely or coincidentally Citizen had been fighting with her the entire time. Which would be Citizen mind fucking us. From day 1. ##Vote Ace##Sorry buddy, no scum in my city. Anyway guys, that is my thought for the day. I am going to head to sleep and I have 12 hours of work tomorrow so I won't be on again until late at night (another 10:30 EST approx) GL Anyone disagree with my analysys? My secondary suspect is Fishball, but I am not too convinced on anyone else <3
While I endorse your conclusion, I have to agree with Ace and say there is very little logic here. As far as I can tell anyway.
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Oh sorry guys, I am going to assume the confusion comes from the wifom part and why I think Ace is mafia and not my reasoning on Day 1 RC's.
I was a little tired ^_^
Since even you Ace disagree with the depth of a WIFOM argument I am going to have to say you are mafia. I write this because Ace disagreed with the depth of a WIFOM argument where someone does something because they predict an action so they do something else. The posts above. Plus this scenario is unlikely.
We can say that Citizen argued with Versatile because he read her role perfectly then killed her so that he would be "suspicious" because of his arguing with her, which would be what Ace would do because he knows how the town would read it.
I meant from what the view would be from an outsider, in order for citizen to be mafia and being try to get us to lynch Ace instead he would have had to planned to fight with her from the beginning of Day 1 and then kill her during the night.
Since they were fighting and she ended up dead you could say he didn't like her so he killed her, but that would draw attention onto himself. But if Citizen KNEW we were going to think that way, then we wouldn't suspect him and would go for someone else.
I hope that is more clear T_T sorry.
It is much easier (and goes with what you believe) to say that Ace killed Versatile because he had a read on her as a DT. In this scenario fighting Citizen fighting with Versatile could of been coincidence (when Ace read her as DT) or he could of just been trying to frame Citizen.
Which would be Citizen mind fucking us. From day 1.
If my former scenario was the true when and Citizen IS mafia, then that is how it would appear to me.
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Okay. I'll take a neutral ground and try to find the weak point in all the recent posts.
I don't have much to write about Ace for now, but this is because Ace is not giving me enough big posts (after night 1) to work with -_-;;;
One thing I have to point out is that you have ignored one good statement out of RebirthOfLegend's post, being "I think killing a claimer either way is worth it. In this setup losing your medic or DT for a mafia is completely worth it" though I think RoL's reasoning is bit different from mine.
Okay, at this setup there are two Mafia and seven Townies. I this setup it is highly disadvantageous for Mafia to counter role-claim blue occupation because it becomes trade-off of one blue role for one Mafia- more I think about it, Mafia will not want to push themselves into situation which is likely to create situation of 1 Mafia vs 1 Blue - 5 Townie. I've been Mafia in E11 game where my partner was lynched day 1, so I know how hellish it is to win: 1) by yourself (no support), 2) when one correct lynch is the end of Mafia.
I just don't think Mafia would have thrown their two-person advantage that early, which is why I thought vivi's claim were valid. Also, I admit guilty to not switching votes because I wanted to hear about what other people thought about it. No other reason.
On March 27 2010 13:28 citi.zen wrote:
And no, even if my vote switch were on time, I still could not have saved Vivi by myself, since in the event of a tie the first person with 3 votes still gets lynched.
Yes, but it would have been one step closer to saving vivi. Since there are no PM communications I would think people wanting to save vivi would act individually hoping others would follow.
On March 27 2010 11:42 citi.zen wrote:
I'll say this: take my posts out and you have nothing going on in this thread. Make up your own mids what, if anything, that means about my alignment.
Um, because it is evidence Ace is using to incriminate you? Posts are always used to find scums, which is why Mafia lurking technique is so effective. I don't see your point here.
On March 27 2010 22:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Oh sorry guys, I am going to assume the confusion comes from the wifom part and why I think Ace is mafia and not my reasoning on Day 1 RC's. I was a little tired ^_^ Show nested quote +Since even you Ace disagree with the depth of a WIFOM argument I am going to have to say you are mafia. I write this because Ace disagreed with the depth of a WIFOM argument where someone does something because they predict an action so they do something else. The posts above. Plus this scenario is unlikely. Show nested quote +We can say that Citizen argued with Versatile because he read her role perfectly then killed her so that he would be "suspicious" because of his arguing with her, which would be what Ace would do because he knows how the town would read it. I meant from what the view would be from an outsider, in order for citizen to be mafia and being try to get us to lynch Ace instead he would have had to planned to fight with her from the beginning of Day 1 and then kill her during the night. Since they were fighting and she ended up dead you could say he didn't like her so he killed her, but that would draw attention onto himself. But if Citizen KNEW we were going to think that way, then we wouldn't suspect him and would go for someone else. I hope that is more clear T_T sorry. Show nested quote +It is much easier (and goes with what you believe) to say that Ace killed Versatile because he had a read on her as a DT. In this scenario fighting Citizen fighting with Versatile could of been coincidence (when Ace read her as DT) or he could of just been trying to frame Citizen. If my former scenario was the true when and Citizen IS mafia, then that is how it would appear to me.
My overall impression is that this proves how this vivi-versatile death situation can be interpreted in both ways; whether either of them are convincing enough to warrant a vote, I am not sure about.
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so like, is anyone going to help save me or do I have to write out a long counter post? You guys do realize its LYNCH OR LOSE right? When I flip town due to TWO votes on me the game is over.
I got 2 quick votes and one from RoL who's barely posted and everyone else is pretty much inactive.
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On March 28 2010 03:44 Ace wrote:
so like, is anyone going to help save me or do I have to write out a long counter post? You guys do realize its LYNCH OR LOSE right? When I flip town due to TWO votes on me the game is over.
I got 2 quick votes and one from RoL who's barely posted and everyone else is pretty much inactive.
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Currently
2 Mafia - 5 Townie
If fail:
2 Mafia - 3 Townie
Correct lynch (since either citizen or Ace is likely Mafia)
1 Mafia - 2 Townie, with one last lynch to go.
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ugh you're right. I was looking at the list and checked off Abenson's name instead of replacing it with RoL.
Either way how does letting me die from 2 quick votes help the town? I still don't understand how me OR citizen are guaranteed to be mafia. There isn't a DT check or a counter claim here, and we've got lots of players lurking. I think citizen is the scummiest person here so far but when I flip green you've still got to look at the people not placing votes. Look at how fast I caught those 2 votes and we've got 4 non-voters. This is ridiculous lurking.
##unvote citizen##
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And yes I think citizen is scummy but for fear of lynching an innocent due to lack of activity I'm unvoting. We need more participation. I'd rather go into the night with a no lynch and 1 dead townie and possibly two dead townies for Day 3.
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I think day ends at 29th KST, so I feel like there is still enough time before voting- especially since I only have opinion from, like, three people?
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Well haster look how little activity this game has. Only a few people are actually trying to play :/
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Well in retrospect compare which seems more exciting:
common ordinary e11 mafia game
EPIC MASSIVE NUCLEAR INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL IDIOT-FILLED APOCALYPTIC SHITSTORM
It literally took me some effort to motivate myself into making that big post. By the way, why did you change rules when johnnyspazz was nuked? I thought you answered multiple anti-nukes were allowed when I sent you PM after johnnyspazz messed up.
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i'm willing to bet that both mafia members are lurkers and everyone that's active is green
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You should delete that other post. Not good to reference an ongoing game.
And yes I think the most active posters might be green. Still think citizen is scum though. But looking at the 2 quick votes I'm not ruling out RoL.
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On March 28 2010 04:12 Ace wrote:
You should delete that other post. Not good to reference an ongoing game.
And yes I think the most active posters might be green. Still think citizen is scum though. But looking at the 2 quick votes I'm not ruling out RoL.
k just felt like maybe it would be good to clear up the confusion since i did claim i was saving myself :p
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no problem. Just that if certain information is lost with your death or they missed when you said it in the thread it should stay that way ^_^
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On March 28 2010 04:22 Ace wrote:
no problem. Just that if certain information is lost with your death or they missed when you said it in the thread it should stay that way ^_^
lol I was almost tempted to quote it and post it back in WaW thread when I saw your post actually :p
Back to the topic, that's not much we can do if both Mafia is lurking because its going to be crapshoot between Mafia and inactive Townies. It'll just be useful to assume at least one of the active players is Mafia, and try to go from there.
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what? assume one of the active players is Mafia?!?!??!
Explain how this makes sense?
So ok. Myself and citizen are the most active players. You guys lynch me and I flip green, then citizen being the only active poster is killed and flips green.
So what do we do next?
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Which is why I am not voting yet. However, if this low activity continues, I see little way we can distinguish inactives from lurking Mafia.
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On March 28 2010 04:26 Ace wrote:
what? assume one of the active players is Mafia?!?!??!
Explain how this makes sense?
So ok. Myself and citizen are the most active players. You guys lynch me and I flip green, then citizen being the only active poster is killed and flips green.
So what do we do next?
It's not an issue. If the town screws up this lynching the game is over. I've discussed why before.
Why I continue to think Ace is the best candidate: wrong on the vivi argument; keeps ignoring posts, preferring vagueness and calling me "scummy" instead of discussing anything of substance. That said, Ace is known to be impatient with bad players (vivi?). Also, if he is green and accused by me it's only natural he would feel I'm red.
So in the end I feel there is a 50% chance Ace is red. This sucks, given it's now or never. Still, picking someone else would be even more of a crapshoot. The hugely lucky Mafia + inactive town means there is nothing more I can do.
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On March 28 2010 05:00 nemY wrote:
Wow holy shit...
Massive contribution, now we're getting somewhere!
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Btw I'm not sure how people can't think this is the workings of Ace. Both blues dead in a matter of two days? To wreak such havoc it would have to be a really good mafia player to do this. Ok, I'll give that the first lynch was somewhat unlucky on our part, but to snipe the other blue later that night? Come on people, think with your heads ##Vote Ace##
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On March 28 2010 05:05 citi.zen wrote:Massive contribution, now we're getting somewhere!
Super sarcasm! Progress is a definite now!
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On March 27 2010 12:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Ironically, I am quoting the dead here. Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 03:57 Versatile wrote:
yes. no. 1st day roleclaims are stupid.
honestly. even IF i were a fan of first day roleclaims, vivi didn't do it right.
#1. if you're going to roleclaim, do it in a timely fashion. let's say he roleclaimed earlier, given us maybe 24hrs to validate his claim. first off, that gives us a chance to see if anyone else counterclaims. if there isn't a counterclaim, that works in the claimer's favor and maybe some votes would get moved around. if there IS a counterclaim, well, good job, now we've got 1 confirmed mafia.
but this is really risky and i doubt mafia would go for this strategy.
#2. why the HELL would a medic claim? the medic cannot protect them self....so. give yourself away to mafia, why don't you?
so, back to square one, first day claiming sucks. I agree completely with Versatile here. Ace I don't agree with killing the roleclaimer and I think vivi did a horrendous job with it. The problem is that you logically are correct. You CANNOT confirm a medic claim without sacrificing the other medic. However the mafia are risking that there is not another medic in the game. If there is a medic in the game then what will happen is the medic just has to claim as well and we kill the first claimer, and then kill the counterclaim if necessary. The only problem here is that there is no way of knowing whether or not there is a medic so its a real risky play on mafias part. So I think killing a claimer either way is worth it. In this setup losing your medic or DT for a mafia is completely worth it. Either one cannot be validated since an actual DT would check someone and know if they were town aligned or mafia aligned and a fake DT would know who the mafia are. No role claims can be substantiated, ever. But I do overall agree, first day claiming is dumb, and as a mafia move it is even more stupid. However a kill-able offense is questionable considering how much more risky it is as mafia, considering counter claim = rape and you pointed out how much it can suck losing a mafia member real quick. Since even you Ace disagree with the depth of a WIFOM argument I am going to have to say you are mafia. We can say that Citizen argued with Vers because he read her role perfectly then killed her so that he would be "suspicious" because of his arguing with her, which would be what Ace would do because he knows how the town would read it. It is much easier (and goes with what you believe) to say that you killed Versatile because you had a read on her and either purposely or coincidentally Citizen had been fighting with her the entire time. Which would be Citizen mind fucking us. From day 1. ##Vote Ace##Sorry buddy, no scum in my city. Anyway guys, that is my thought for the day. I am going to head to sleep and I have 12 hours of work tomorrow so I won't be on again until late at night (another 10:30 EST approx) GL Anyone disagree with my analysys? My secondary suspect is Fishball, but I am not too convinced on anyone else <3
For the record, I'm not very good at analyzing peoples posts and trying to make sense of things (I'm more of a gut-instinct player), but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
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On March 28 2010 05:00 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 04:26 Ace wrote:
what? assume one of the active players is Mafia?!?!??!
Explain how this makes sense?
So ok. Myself and citizen are the most active players. You guys lynch me and I flip green, then citizen being the only active poster is killed and flips green.
So what do we do next? It's not an issue. If the town screws up this lynching the game is over. I've discussed why before. Why I continue to think Ace is the best candidate: wrong on the vivi argument; keeps ignoring posts, preferring vagueness and calling me "scummy" instead of discussing anything of substance. That said, Ace is known to be impatient with bad players (vivi?). Also, if he is green and accused by me it's only natural he would feel I'm red. So in the end I feel there is a 50% chance Ace is red. This sucks, given it's now or never. Still, picking someone else would be even more of a crapshoot. The hugely lucky Mafia + inactive town means there is nothing more I can do.
and this is the bullshit I'm talking about.
TOWN PAY ATTENTION!
1.) I am not wrong on the vivi argument. You asked my opinion and I stated it. How is it that all of a sudden it's purely wrong even though you voted for Vivi? Whether you were at work or not isn't even a relevant excuse. We can't prove that. The point is YOU had a vote on the dead medic so you are responsible just as much as I am.
2.) Keep ignoring posts? I respond to your accusations every time and in fact have proven you wrong. Remember how you claimed being your posting level is keeping the game active, but when I said the same thing you just blew it off?
3.) Not discussing anything of substance? Hello? I'm the one trying to keep the game going. You've asked me about Vivi, RoL has tried to have some sort of lopsided discussion with me and I've posted about everything from lynching lurkers to lynching unproved claimers. Your statement here is a lie.
4.) You say there's a 50% chance I'm mafia and it's now or never. So you aren't even sure I'm mafia and yet you think it's better to lynch me because picking someone else would be a crapshoot. Well isn't lynching me a crapshoot if you aren't even sure?!
##vote citizen
I'm convinced citizen is scum. Even more so by the fast vote out of no where by RebirthofLegend. Then after 40 hours of being afk nemy (o hai!) shows up with a bs vote on me. That's 3 votes on me and no votes on anyone else since the day post and no one else finds this suspect? You're kidding right?
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This actually good - I feel better about voting for you since you are wrong on every single one of the 4 sub-points. I'll explain tonight... we'll go through these arguments one more time, slowly, even though most have been covered already. No. 4 is new material though, and doesn't make you look very good.
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citizen// I hope you make your arguments soon b/c I am going to have to make decision sooner or later.
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Placing vote now because I might not be here tomorrow.
##vote citi.zen##
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Apologies for the wall of text. If you are town, please do try to read it sometime in the next day, before you cast your vote.
Statement 1.
Ace: 1.) I am not wrong on the vivi argument. You asked my opinion and I stated it. How is it that all of a sudden it's purely wrong even though you voted for Vivi? Whether you were at work or not isn't even a relevant excuse. We can't prove that. The point is YOU had a vote on the dead medic so you are responsible just as much as I am.
I stated repeatedly, that in my view it was wrong to lynch someone who claimed blue on day one. I still think in this game the downside to lynching someone who claimed blue >> that the upside to going ahead with the lynching. You disagreed, and still do. This is where I think you are wrong.
Note that this is not primarily a discussion about actions, but about strategy / reasoning. This could be an honest mistake, of course. By itself it proves nothing, everyone makes mistakes.
Statement 2.
Ace: 2.) Keep ignoring posts? I respond to your accusations every time and in fact have proven you wrong. Remember how you claimed being your posting level is keeping the game active, but when I said the same thing you just blew it off?
That paragraph has two misleading claims in it.
2.) a. On ignoring posts - this was a direct reference to the fact that you repeatedly stated I could have saved Vivi. Example:
Show nested quote +On the other hand YOU could have saved him. You didn't change your vote and now want to make it look like I'm at fault. I've stood by my decision wholeheartedly while you are not even acknowledging you yourself are a cause of his death. More sketchy logic/selective reading. Of course, I already answered this in detail, twice in fact, and directly to Ace. Yet he continues to "forget".For the sake of playing along, here is what I said: Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 11:50 citi.zen wrote:On March 26 2010 11:43 Ace wrote:My reasoning is simple. I think Vivi is terrible. If you look at games Vivi plays he never helps the town. He just criticizes everyone and bitches and moans. This thread has only 7 pages and he's managed to accuse at least 3 people?! How is that good town play? Even with the last minute roleclaim he looked shoddy. When you are being band wagoned the last thing you'd want to do is accuse multiple people - they'll tend NOT to take their votes off of you in that case. Then again, your vote is on him too. Why didn't you switch? You could have voted for Johnnyspazz and tied it up, hoping someone else switched their vote too. What was your reason for not switching, because we all know I wasn't going to move my vote anyway. As far as I go, he claimed medic at the wrong time: I left work, came home and spent time with the family, until the kid went to sleep.When I did see his post and had time to digest it I decided it made sense to switch. Unfortunately it was too late. I don't get how other people who were active in this and/or the other mafia game during this time did not reach the same conclusion. It's pretty rare to lynch someone who claims blue, in any mafia game, no? Ace, haster27, Fishball, Abenson, johnnyspazz (other thread) were all active after Vivi's claim but missed that.
Had you simply said you did not truest my explanation, I could have accepted that. Instead, you kept repeating in a matter-of-fact manner that I "could have saved Vivi". More deliberate confusion, as far as I can tell.
2.)b. Ace saying I blew off his claim to being very active. I addressed it directly:
Of course, "game activity drops" if you take any posts out of the thread. This is a moot point, different from my stronger claim: Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 11:42 citi.zen wrote:
I'll say this: take my posts out and you have nothing going on in this thread. Make up your own mids what, if anything, that means about my alignment. This is of course my own assessment - you all need to make up your own minds here.
Statement 3.
Ace: 3.) Not discussing anything of substance? Hello? I'm the one trying to keep the game going. You've asked me about Vivi, RoL has tried to have some sort of lopsided discussion with me and I've posted about everything from lynching lurkers to lynching unproved claimers. Your statement here is a lie.
Here Ace is responding to my statement that he repeatedly called me "scummy", which is a gimmicky way to make someone sound suspicious. Instead of substantiating his accusations he tries to deflect again and starts talking about Vivi, Rol, etc.
I'll put under the spoiler the consistent use of "scummy" I had in mind - Ace has been using it on me from day one.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2010 14:02 Vivi57 wrote:
I'm skiing (like I said, i'd be v/la until thursday) so I'll probably make this post tonight then one post tomorrow night and start being more active thursday night.
Right now, citi.zen is my most pro town read. He's doing a ton of crap and moving around votes to get discussion started and also attracting attention to himself. Both of these are something scum doesn't want to do.
Right now, I think my suspicion is on fishball. He posted a random OMGUS vote on nemy which in fine, but then he (jokingly) defended it
I really don't like fishball right now, but since I have a bigger suspicion, I'm going to call FoS: Fishball
As for my main suspect. Johnnyspaz just placed a random defense of me in the OMGUS stage of the game then placed a super late random vote on nemy. At that point, he should have come up with a decent reason because some discussion had occurred.
##vote johnnyspazz## On March 24 2010 14:12 Ace wrote:
Vivi you are so bad it's ridiculous.
"he's doing a ton of crap and moving votes around" - doing stuff is null and moving votes around is usually scummy. It's so early and not enough people have wagons on them so there isn't too much sketchiness about switching votes. However indecisiveness is usually meaning you can't make up your mind about something or just dont want to stand your ground, the latter of which is usually scummy.
The read on fishball is cool, but knowing that guy he voted for nemy for the lulz. On March 27 2010 12:43 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 11:42 citi.zen wrote:
Right... Vivi got medic and Versatile DT. Solid.
@ Ace - I am not surprised at all. I argued with two people: Versatile and yourself. She died. I look suspicious. You are alive. As stated multiple times, I also disagree with your statement that lynching Vivi was the right call, even after you saw he claimed medic. It's all in the thread, town-aligned players would read those exchanges.
I'll say this: take my posts out and you have nothing going on in this thread. Make up your own mids what, if anything, that means about my alignment.
If we screw up the day 2 lynch it's 3 v 2 on day 3, so all 3 town players would need to agree to vote for the same red player. Maybe it's time to start contributing.
##Vote Ace## You already know just like everyone else that Vivi claiming Medic wasn't going to change my vote. I've already explain that. So saying "even when you saw Vivi claim medic" isn't helpful at all. On the other hand YOU could have saved him. You didn't change your vote and now want to make it look like I'm at fault. I've stood by my decision wholeheartedly while you are not even acknowledging you yourself are a cause of his death. Likewise if you take my posts out of this thread game activity drops also. How does that make you more innocent than anyone else? @Fishball: Yea I know Verse better than anyone. Doesn't mean it's my fault she's dead. The more I read citizen's posts the more scummy he comes across. He points out that he argued with Versatile, she died, and he looks suspect. As if the notion of admitting he might be scummy clears him in my eyes. On March 28 2010 03:56 Ace wrote:
And yes I think citizen is scummy but for fear of lynching an innocent due to lack of activity I'm unvoting. We need more participation. I'd rather go into the night with a no lynch and 1 dead townie and possibly two dead townies for Day 3. By the way, read that last post again - it's worth it.
Statement 4.
4.) You say there's a 50% chance I'm mafia and it's now or never. So you aren't even sure I'm mafia and yet you think it's better to lynch me because picking someone else would be a crapshoot. Well isn't lynching me a crapshoot if you aren't even sure?!
The 50% chance Ace is red is clearly a subjective number based on my personal impression. Note this is not the part Ace takes issue with. He wants to know why, given this 50% number, I think it is better to lynch him than to choose at random someone else. This is why:
Other than myself and you, there are 5 other players left. The chance of picking a red by choosing randomly between the other 5 is: 50%*(1/5) + 50%*(2/5) = 30%. Since 50% > 30%, lynching Ace is the best I can come up with. It's "the better crap-shoot", if you will.
Now, in this game we do have the no-lynching alternative. Interestingly, Ace voted for it briefly, before going back to voting for me. I don't see how a no-lynch helps the town, we would be in the same exact spot day 3, but it would be 4v2 instead of 5v2. Unfortunately there is no activity in the thread and the DT is dead.
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nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention.
I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL.
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That's 3 votes on me and no votes on anyone else since the day post and no one else finds this suspect? You're kidding right?
i find this suspect!
##Vote citi.zen##
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On March 28 2010 13:58 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +That's 3 votes on me and no votes on anyone else since the day post and no one else finds this suspect? You're kidding right? i find this suspect! ##Vote citi.zen##
It's suspect alright: there are only 2 reds in this game, yet he's accusing 3 people at once.
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i think nemY's vote for ace is hilarious
"holy shit we lost both blues already that means the mafia must be hella good. oh wait! ace is a gosu player! must be his doing."
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On March 28 2010 03:56 Ace wrote:
And yes I think citizen is scummy but for fear of lynching an innocent due to lack of activity I'm unvoting. We need more participation. I'd rather go into the night with a no lynch and 1 dead townie and possibly two dead townies for Day 3.
How does this suggestion not bother anyone else? Going into the night with a no lynch makes it 4 v 2 on day 3. No DT = no sure lynch. Also, the two mafia votes count more and more as there are fewer townies.
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On March 27 2010 12:11 Fishball wrote:Remaining Player listRebirthOfLeGenD Ace citi.zen Fishball haster27 johnnyspazz nemY 7 players left, 2 are Mafia. I know I'm green, so that leaves me with 6 choices. If I vote randomly, there is a 33% chance I will hit a Mafia. Now lets take a look at the order of Zona's list of players. Show nested quote +On March 21 2010 10:42 Zona wrote:
Player list
1. Abenson replaced by RebirthOfLeGenD (aka rol)
2. Ace
3. citi.zen (aka: citizen)
4. Fishball
5. haster27 (aka: haster)
6. johnnyspazz (aka: johnny, jonny, or jonnyspazz)
7. nemY
8. Versatile (aka: vers) the detective, killed Night 1
9. Vivi57 (aka: vivi) the medic, lynched Day 1 As pure speculation, it would be fair to say there will be a Mafia in 1-3 and another one in 5-7. Granted, this is purely speculation, as we already have 2 blues at the bottom of the list, and Zona might not have used the exact order to generate roles. There is a good chance that either Ace or citi.zen, that one of them could be red. This thread citi.zen has posted the most, with Ace being second. Versatile haven't posted much at all, just like me, Nemy etc., yet she was hit. Why? Previous history? Ace definitely knows her more than anyone else here. Random hit? Could be anyone. How random can this be? Of course people can say, "What if you are lying? What if you are Mafia?". Well to those 4 other Townies out there, you know who you are. I don't need you to believe what I say, but I want you to be aware of the situation.
Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me.
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On March 28 2010 14:26 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 13:58 johnnyspazz wrote:That's 3 votes on me and no votes on anyone else since the day post and no one else finds this suspect? You're kidding right? i find this suspect! ##Vote citi.zen## It's suspect alright: there are only 2 reds in this game, yet he's accusing 3 people at once.
I really lol'd at that pretty hard too.
You guys are crazy, no idea why you are voting Citizen.
Fishball, I don't see what I did suspicious. I had just finished reading the entire thread then responding in what I saw as a decent analysis on the situation. I get how my post may have been confusing but I think if you reread it a couple of times you can understand my reasoning. I think its relatively strait forward.
I am pretty sure Ace is mafia. I could say I am 100% sure but I am clearly not the DT. I get it might be harder to read me because I haven't been here for 24 hours, but still.
Does anyone else see why lynching the roleclaiming blue Day 1 is bad overall? There is a significant chance the mafia would trade a red for a blue which benefits us.
Now onto Vivi's role claim. I don't blame anyone for not changing votes because of his claim, or even the arguments around it besides possibly Ace justifying still killing the blue (even though that benefits the mafia) if I remember correctly.
Vivi just claimed so late that there was no time to actually talk about the claim and decide how to progress. I think he was dead before he had even claimed. There was like 30 minutes before the voting deadline where he IMPLIED he was blue.
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On March 28 2010 15:17 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:11 Fishball wrote:Remaining Player listRebirthOfLeGenD Ace citi.zen Fishball haster27 johnnyspazz nemY 7 players left, 2 are Mafia. I know I'm green, so that leaves me with 6 choices. If I vote randomly, there is a 33% chance I will hit a Mafia. Now lets take a look at the order of Zona's list of players. On March 21 2010 10:42 Zona wrote:
Player list
1. Abenson replaced by RebirthOfLeGenD (aka rol)
2. Ace
3. citi.zen (aka: citizen)
4. Fishball
5. haster27 (aka: haster)
6. johnnyspazz (aka: johnny, jonny, or jonnyspazz)
7. nemY
8. Versatile (aka: vers) the detective, killed Night 1
9. Vivi57 (aka: vivi) the medic, lynched Day 1 As pure speculation, it would be fair to say there will be a Mafia in 1-3 and another one in 5-7. Granted, this is purely speculation, as we already have 2 blues at the bottom of the list, and Zona might not have used the exact order to generate roles. There is a good chance that either Ace or citi.zen, that one of them could be red. This thread citi.zen has posted the most, with Ace being second. Versatile haven't posted much at all, just like me, Nemy etc., yet she was hit. Why? Previous history? Ace definitely knows her more than anyone else here. Random hit? Could be anyone. How random can this be? Of course people can say, "What if you are lying? What if you are Mafia?". Well to those 4 other Townies out there, you know who you are. I don't need you to believe what I say, but I want you to be aware of the situation. Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me.
Either your comprehension skills are bad, or you're trying to make a play.
I said I know I'm green, but I also said I don't expect everyone to believe me. I could very well be red in another player's eyes. I don't get what you're trying to pick at.
I've made up my mind.
##Vote citi.zen##
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On March 28 2010 15:16 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 03:56 Ace wrote:
And yes I think citizen is scummy but for fear of lynching an innocent due to lack of activity I'm unvoting. We need more participation. I'd rather go into the night with a no lynch and 1 dead townie and possibly two dead townies for Day 3. How does this suggestion not bother anyone else? Going into the night with a no lynch makes it 4 v 2 on day 3. No DT = no sure lynch. Also, the two mafia votes count more and more as there are fewer townies.
ehh?
You've admitted that you aren't even sure who you think is Mafia right? The "I'm 50% sure Ace is Mafia" line.
The fact that you aren't sure and STILL want to lynch someone is exactly why I called you on it. If we lynch a townie, we lose 2. There is no medic so a townie gets killed tonight. What i'm saying is if you aren't even sure then it makes sense to vote for a no lynch and try again tomorrow. Killing people just for the sake of killing them is exactly why I'm keeping my vote on you. I've responded to your claims about Vivi and yet you say I'm not posting content. You blame me for Vivi's death and yet you also have a vote on him, even using an excuse to make yourself look like you are less responsible.
Point of the matter is you've been tunnel visioning me all game making it LOOK like you're scumhunting when you've even admitted that you weren't sure I'm scum. Then when I brought up the point that I got hit with 2 votes very fast, then a third from nemy you just brushed it off with inane logic saying because there are 2 Mafia in the game those votes aren't scummy. Right...
People lets be real here. The only reason I'm under suspicion is because I'm Ace. No one wants to admit it but because I'm a good player and didn't die Night 1 is the only reason I'm being voted on. You have no case on me. The best thing anyone has is that I voted for Vivi57 and thats it. It only seemed bad because he flipped Medic and there is no way I could have known that. Look back at the beginning of the game - I always had my serious votes on him. It's been nothing but a smear campaign to undermine me when you all know I think Vivi is useless.
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Ace, citi.zen, RoL, all give me the same gut feeling. Seems like either one of them are Mafia, or all three of them are green.
Nemy is on top of my gut list, but no point voting for him, unless you guys would change votes.
Johnnyspazz haven't posted much. Can't comment. Lurking Mafia? Possible. Especially in a small game setting like this.
haster27 have made some logical posts, least concerned as a suspect for the moment.
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I'm sure one of the 3 of citizen, Rol and nemy are mafia. Like I said 3 votes on me fast and the fact that the case against me is weak. They are trying to lynch me based on my policy of lynching day 1 Doc claims when they know I would do it regardless of who it is.
johnnyspazz and haster need to post more because obviously lurking in a small game is really bad for the town.
Fishball if you aren't convinced anyone is Mafia I think we should go with a no lynch. Getting 2 innocents killed is disastrous. I'd rather us not randomly kill a townie and have no clue about what's going. One death is much better than the guaranteed two if we mislynch here.
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The day ends at 10pm EST or 11:00 KST/TeamLiquid time. That's less than 15 hours from now.
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This has to be a bad fucking joke. If we get a no lynch tonight we end up EXACTLY where we are today with one less town. All the mafia has to do is not hit one of the conflicting parties (which they won't if they have a brain) and we will just continue this same fight where Ace acts like a mafia, fishball says things like look [i[fishy[/i] (lawl) and we eventually lose because pissing away days does nothing.
I am pretty confident that Ace is mafia. The way you are arguing and speaking is very harsh? You basically do anything you can to not get voted, attack every single vote and do everything you can to discredit citizen.
I get it, if you are town its still beneficial to not be lynched, but the way you are going about it just seems mafiaish to me.
If ANYONE looks back you can see at ANY opportunity he does WHATEVER he can to discredit Citizen and try to get other people to vote for him. If we vote the wrong person tonight the mafia only need to sway one more vote to win. We would end up in a 3v2 situation where we need to perfectly lynch twice in a row in order to win, or fail one and lose.
Vote motherfucking Ace. The only thing I find odd is that if the mafia are Fishball/Ace I don't know why they would both throw themselves out there on a green lynch which would fuck them both over when we see the result. So that is why I think fishball might not be mafia, I don't think they would be that dumb of a mafia team, I am sure you are just being a skeptic right now.
But seriously, contribute more. The only thing you have said for the last page is that is something along the lines of me, citizen, or Ace are mafia. I am sure any halfwit could of assumed that one of us is mafia. Unless we have two lurker mafia who are doing jackshit (seems very unlikely) one of us is obviously mafia. Do some behavioral analysis posts thoughts about why our posting history looks scummy, just do something.
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lmao.
So wait let me get this straight.
I'm discrediting citizen even though I've pointed out that his reasons that I'm Mafia are that I'm wrong in debate and that I voted for the same guy he voted for?
And lynching an innocent townie today is much better than no lynching? Are you serious?
Of course, me trying to stay alive is scummy because getting killed is clearly the thing a Townie would do. Are you reading?
So Citizen currently has 4 votes on him, I have 3. Citizen is definitely in line for lynching first, but I'm the one that's scum when I'm arguing that we should be considering the No Lynch so we could go into tomorrow 4 v 2 instead of 3 v 2.
Right. I'm the one making bad arguments and bad logic here. I'm advocating saving people while you just want somebody to die screaming do something when you aren't exactly the most active person here.
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On March 28 2010 05:28 Ace wrote:
1.) I am not wrong on the vivi argument. You asked my opinion and I stated it. How is it that all of a sudden it's purely wrong even though you voted for Vivi? Whether you were at work or not isn't even a relevant excuse. We can't prove that. The point is YOU had a vote on the dead medic so you are responsible just as much as I am.
You have your opinion, while I disagree with it, you have it. I am not voting you based on the Vivi vote alone. I view your standout on that as illogical due to how risky of a move it is by mafia because if they claim the role that is in the game they auto die. I suck at math but lets pretend its a 66% chance they claim a role that the role a mafia claims exists because potentially both blue's could be in the game, or just one. Vivi claimed so fucking late though, so it didn't really even matter. We had no time to talk about it. It was more or less bad luck.
2.) Keep ignoring posts? I respond to your accusations every time and in fact have proven you wrong. Remember how you claimed being your posting level is keeping the game active, but when I said the same thing you just blew it off?
Who the fuck cares about how much you post? If I could double lynch and kill both of you I would just because I am sure one of you is mafia, but 90% of my sure is on you being that mafia.
Now in regards to you discrediting anyone. These are ALL your posts from after versatile died, up until this post.
ALL OF ACES POSTS
+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2010 03:44 Ace wrote:
so like, is anyone going to help save me or do I have to write out a long counter post? You guys do realize its LYNCH OR LOSE right? When I flip town due to TWO votes on me the game is over.
I got 2 quick votes and one from RoL who's barely posted and everyone else is pretty much inactive. You just note how you obtained the first two votes with people posting opinions. No proving wrong being done. On March 28 2010 03:54 Ace wrote:
ugh you're right. I was looking at the list and checked off Abenson's name instead of replacing it with RoL.
Either way how does letting me die from 2 quick votes help the town? I still don't understand how me OR citizen are guaranteed to be mafia. There isn't a DT check or a counter claim here, and we've got lots of players lurking. I think citizen is the scummiest person here so far but when I flip green you've still got to look at the people not placing votes. Look at how fast I caught those 2 votes and we've got 4 non-voters. This is ridiculous lurking.
##unvote citizen## Haven't proved anything except arguing the logic of lynching one you you. Seems like you are just trying to make sure you live and are doing everything you can to paint yourself in a positive light, I mean who cares if we don't lynch Citizen, as long as we don't lynch you, right? Mafia thinking. On March 28 2010 03:56 Ace wrote:
And yes I think citizen is scummy but for fear of lynching an innocent due to lack of activity I'm unvoting. We need more participation. I'd rather go into the night with a no lynch and 1 dead townie and possibly two dead townies for Day 3. Nothing has been said here, except you rather a no lynch, then a lynch you. Which would put us in the exact same situation just allowing the mafia to put themselves in a gaming winning position on that day by merely manipulating the lynch because of the inactive town. No lynch today is dumb, we need someone fucking gone. On March 28 2010 03:56 Ace wrote:
Well haster look how little activity this game has. Only a few people are actually trying to play :/ no comment On March 28 2010 04:12 Ace wrote:
You should delete that other post. Not good to reference an ongoing game.
And yes I think the most active posters might be green. Still think citizen is scum though. But looking at the 2 quick votes I'm not ruling out RoL. Talking about other game and then back to Citizen is mafia talk. Ohboi. On March 28 2010 04:22 Ace wrote:
no problem. Just that if certain information is lost with your death or they missed when you said it in the thread it should stay that way ^_^ Other game. On March 28 2010 04:26 Ace wrote:
what? assume one of the active players is Mafia?!?!??!
Explain how this makes sense?
So ok. Myself and citizen are the most active players. You guys lynch me and I flip green, then citizen being the only active poster is killed and flips green.
So what do we do next? Thanks for the WCS. We are all aware that neither of you you dying makes the other one the opposite alignment. I would say you both being green is near impossible and both being red is even more impossible and with being blue completely impossible I would say the only LIKELY scenario is a 1:1 green/red and the way you are playing makes me more inclined to think its you. I also like to think I am active enough to qualify in that category. On March 27 2010 10:37 Ace wrote:
I find it funny that you voted to lynch Vivi but are trying to lay the blame game on everyone else. Hilarious. I suppose its important that he tried to vote someone else (lawl) Who cares? But what points have you even disproved at this point? Everyone was on board with lynching Vivi until he claimed. To look up the exact post, he claimed with 3 hours left. Giving no real time for discussion. I can't blame you for that, Vivi was stupid to wait that long when it seemed obvious he was dead.
3.) Not discussing anything of substance? Hello? I'm the one trying to keep the game going. You've asked me about Vivi, RoL has tried to have some sort of lopsided discussion with me and I've posted about everything from lynching lurkers to lynching unproved claimers. Your statement here is a lie.
If you look at the above posts, there is virtually no substance in them.
4.) You say there's a 50% chance I'm mafia and it's now or never. So you aren't even sure I'm mafia and yet you think it's better to lynch me because picking someone else would be a crapshoot. Well isn't lynching me a crapshoot if you aren't even sure?!
I am 90% sure, does that make it better? Stop attacking nonpoints. You are posting nothing, and are our best candidate today, so just die with honor.
I'm convinced citizen is scum. Even more so by the fast vote out of no where by RebirthofLegend. Then after 40 hours of being afk nemy (o hai!) shows up with a bs vote on me. That's 3 votes on me and no votes on anyone else since the day post and no one else finds this suspect? You're kidding right?
CITIZEN/ABENSON/ROL FOR MAFIA. SEEMS PERFECTLY LOGICAL.
Double lynch I say. My quick vote coincided with me reading the entire thread and interpreting everything I had read. I happened to agree with Versatile's take on the medic situation as well as Citizen's thoughts of you being mafia mafia.
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So if my above posts have no substance how could you have replies to them? You sure are making a lot of sense here.
You just note how you obtained the first two votes with people posting opinions. No proving wrong being done.
There isn't a point to prove here. This is telling Townies to look at how fast I got quick voted.
Haven't proved anything except arguing the logic of lynching one you you. Seems like you are just trying to make sure you live and are doing everything you can to paint yourself in a positive light, I mean who cares if we don't lynch Citizen, as long as we don't lynch you, right? Mafia thinking.
No shit I'd try to make sure I live. If we put 4 votes on you would you just lay down and be like oh well gg. No, you'd try to live. Especially if you know the case against you is laughable. Of course you conveniently want anyone to die right?
Nothing has been said here, except you rather a no lynch, then a lynch you. Which would put us in the exact same situation just allowing the mafia to put themselves in a gaming winning position on that day by merely manipulating the lynch because of the inactive town. No lynch today is dumb, we need someone fucking gone.
More to you just wanting anyone to die. I'd rather a No Lynch than a Mislynch. When you mislynch today it's one less townie tomorrow. You keep IGNORING this point. You aren't even trying to debate it. It's "we need someone dead" and you aren't even contemplating that a dead townie leaves 3 v 2 tomorrow. Kill anybody and as long as someone dies it's ok? Right.
I suppose its important that he tried to vote someone else (lawl) Who cares? But what points have you even disproved at this point? Everyone was on board with lynching Vivi until he claimed. To look up the exact post, he claimed with 3 hours left. Giving no real time for discussion. I can't blame you for that, Vivi was stupid to wait that long when it seemed obvious he was dead.
I've disproved all your points while you keep posting lies. Everyone was not on board for lynching Vivi. here, look at the votes:
ace
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
haster27
Of those people I was the most strongly for it and you know it. I already explained I don't take Day 1 Doc claims as proof of innocence and I've said that countless times in other games. My argument was that knowing this you can't hold me accountable for Vivi flipping medic. I can't know that information as scum. Citizen was saying I was wrong about the Vivi situation so therefore I must be scum. He asked me about it, I replied and then there's a hate wagon.
I am 90% sure, does that make it better? Stop attacking nonpoints. You are posting nothing, and are our best candidate today, so just die with honor.
Right. Because 90% sure is much better than 50% sure. See you aren't even reading. This IS a critical point. It shows you two aren't even sure who is Mafia and would rather kill anyone. That is clearly a bad idea and that's why I keep calling citizen on it and now you. It's like when I flip town you'll say "well I wasn't so sure anyway" and absolve responsibility. Sorry, you and your scum partner are dying. Hell you aren't even reading the rules because a double lynch doesn't exist. You won't even acknowledge the fact that you and citizen quick voted on shoddy points and have spent all your energy and tried to paint me scum as soon as you got the chance. But the entire town must be stupid because citizen has 4 votes on him right?
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On March 29 2010 00:09 Ace wrote:
lmao.
So wait let me get this straight.
I'm discrediting citizen even though I've pointed out that his reasons that I'm Mafia are that I'm wrong in debate and that I voted for the same guy he voted for?
And lynching an innocent townie today is much better than no lynching? Are you serious?
Of course, me trying to stay alive is scummy because getting killed is clearly the thing a Townie would do. Are you reading?
So Citizen currently has 4 votes on him, I have 3. Citizen is definitely in line for lynching first, but I'm the one that's scum when I'm arguing that we should be considering the No Lynch so we could go into tomorrow 4 v 2 instead of 3 v 2.
Right. I'm the one making bad arguments and bad logic here. I'm advocating saving people while you just want somebody to die screaming do something when you aren't exactly the most active person here.
I said arguing vivi is a non point multiple times. He claimed with 3 hours left, we couldn't really do shit.
If we knew it was a 100% innocent townie by some miracle then fuck no, that is obvious. But we won't know until someones blood reveals the truth. So killing no one leaves us in the same hole we were in. WHO TO KILL, CITIZEN OR ACE? It accomplishes nothing.
and its not you staying alive that is scummy, its the way you are doing it. You haven't really presented a good case for Citizen, and you are discrediting his thought of you being mafia to say he is only 50% sure. However lynching anyone else who he has no thoughts towards would be something like 30% if done randomly.
Tell you what, I have time before work, I am going to reread all citizens post and the thread and see if I change my mind, but at this point I don't think it will.
Arguing no lynch when you have 4 votes benefits you because when he turns up innocent you have room to work with, Ace you have never been one to look for short sighted goals. For the purpose of clearing up some shit, I would rather go in 3v2 then 4v2. 3v2 clears some suspects, while 4v2 ends is up in a lynch or game over situation where we are STILL in the debate between you and Citizen. 4v2 in this case is essentially mathematical win for mafia, as long as they can sway it towards whichever one of you isn't mafia.
Your last paragraph is a copout filled with shit. You are advocating putting the mafia in a game winning position by tomorrow with a no lynch. I will explain this one more time.
4v2 instead of 3v2 LOOKS better, but lets see how it would play out.
If we don't lynch Ace or Citizen today and go with a no lynch the mafia kill someone tonight. Let's say they kill Jspazz or Haster who have had little to nothing to do with the argument today. The next day the we have Ace and Citizen still alive and now we are arguing to kill one of them STILL. If we pretend that there is a 100% chance that either Ace or Citizen are mafia, why would we put ourselves in a situation where voting the wrong one is game breaking? That does NOT make sense.
Now lets say we hypothetically kill Ace or Citizen tonight and they are red, we don't have to waste our time on the other one (there is no fucking way two mafia would go at each other's throats like that)
Now if we say kill Ace/Citizen tonight and he is green then the other would be red and we go in 3-2 with a SURE lynch as opposed to a 50%.
That is of course pretending that there is a 100% chance that one of you are mafia, which I would say there is more like a 99% chance which is still something I would jump on.
in the 4-2 situation we miss our lynch which would make it 3-2 and the mafia hits making it 2-2 for a town loss.
Lynching today almost guarantees a good lynch tomorrow.
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I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.
Go ahead and lynch me.
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Hey Rol citizen has 4 votes, not me.
If I was Mafia I'd just be content letting him die, or any townie for that matter. If I was scum why would I go into a situation 4 v 2 when surely citizen would get lynched, flip townie and I could go into the next Day 3 v 2? Please explain this. 4 Townies vs 2 Scum is WAY better than 3 Townies vs 2 Scum. What extra information do you see coming out of lynching an innocent today that puts us at a better position? The Mafia are killing someone tonight regardless. I don't know why you keep ignoring this.
I'm discrediting citizen? He's posting blatantly wrong information and tried to use the Vivi discussion against me. Am I supposed to just be like you know what, you're right. I'm guilty for getting Vivi killed when he himself has a vote on the guy? Lol ok Rol, you sure are making sense here.
Right now it's either myself or citizen. Jspazz nor haster are in any position to get lynched so your argument is irrelevant. However just for sake of showing you why it makes no sense if either of us get lynched and flip town what new information are you going to glean with it? You're going to go into the next day with 3 townies instead of 4. How in the hell is that a good situation? You'll be in LYLO immediately.
Then you make the mistake of saying well if one of them flips green, the other is definitely red so let's kill him! Seriously, I'm starting to think you just want anyone dead.
##unvote citizen##
##vote RoL##
I may have thought citizen was scummy before, and I still do. However, I think you're recent behavior is actually far worse. I think citizen was wrong on his posts about me but I never got the feeling he wanted anyone dead. You just don't care who the fuck dies.
Town, we've got until 10PM ET. Read Rebirth's posts please. Hell, we can all even discuss the current No Lynch vs Lynch option. I'm not liking RoL's kill anyone attitude.
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On March 29 2010 00:58 citi.zen wrote:
I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.
Go ahead and lynch me.
You've still got till 10 PM ET. I've also unvoted you as I think RoL is actually far more disgusting.
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You do realize that either way 4v2 or 3v2 the town is has the same day of loss assuming 1 more mislynch, right?
2 missed lynches = loss 1 no lynch and 1 miss lynch = loss.
I don't see the point in not trying to kill more? Where was I not clear on why killing one of you gives us more information?
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7 players. 5 Townies vs 2 Mafia.
Townie lynch = 3 Townies vs 2 Mafia next day.
No Lynch = 4 Townies vs 2 Mafia next day.
Instead of having to convince 1 player on a mislynch scum now have to convince 2. How is this not important?
We aren't killing people for the sake of killing them.
Where was I not clear on why killing one of you gives us more information?
If one of us gets lynched and we flip town, what's your other course of action? I said you can't just assume the other person is automatically Mafia. Hell we could both be Townies. Just because we are arguing doesn't mean one of us has to be scum. Your other statement:
Lynching today almost guarantees a good lynch tomorrow.
Is part of the reason I asked this. If we lynch today and flip town then how is that a guaranteed Mafia lynch tomorrow?
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On March 29 2010 01:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 00:58 citi.zen wrote:
I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.
Go ahead and lynch me. You've still got till 10 PM ET. I've also unvoted you as I think RoL is actually far more disgusting.
RoL is pretty bad at times and so are haster and Fishball with his 1 through 3 and 5 through 7 crap. Ace's argument on the no-lynch is very suspect: the town is in bad shape, and it will only get worse tomorrow if we skip the lynch; we have no "sure way to win" - especially without the DT, so taking the best shot we can today is a must. nemY barely contributes and tells us he plays with his gut and he's not good at analyzing posts. Johnny ain't trying.
I've done all I could to start some sort of discussion. I called out people repeatedly. I tried to analyze their posts. I am comfortable being lynched - I am simply at a loss as to what to do next.
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citizen someone is going to die tonight, that's a fact. This is what I'm saying:
Go into tomorrow 4 vs 2 or 3 vs 2.
Don't just say "I'm gonna die" and give up. Play to win this shit.
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citi.zen i think at this point if the votes stay the same, ace gets lynches
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anyway since there is so much lurking in this game, what do you active people think about going no lynch and letting the mafia hit someone. i think if mafia is lurking, its more likely they hit one of the actives and vice versa.
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You mentioned RoL. Many things he said are inconsistent, but what bothers me most is saying he is SURE one of us is red. Now, for all our differences, I never claimed I can be SURE you are red - that would be absurd without a confirmed DT. Yet RoL is sure that if one of us flips green, the other is red - even saying he wishes he could 2x Lynch right now. This is of course the perfect Mafia set-up if we ARE both green - not only do you lynch one tonight but the other is lead candidate for tomorrow.
##unvote ace##
##vote RoL##
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On March 29 2010 02:04 johnnyspazz wrote:
anyway since there is so much lurking in this game, what do you active people think about going no lynch and letting the mafia hit someone. i think if mafia is lurking, its more likely they hit one of the actives and vice versa.
I have already explained why they would hit a less active person. It forces us into this same situation of arguing between Ace and I guess me or Citizen (Assuming no lynch) if they hit a random person they create mathematical win as long as we mislynch on our next lynch.
I don't see how this is that hard to understand?
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Also please prove anything I said as wrong or stupid. It all makes sense in what I suppose is a more abstract sense.
Oh and Ace, I get how 3v2 would be harder, but if we already have a lynch candidate decided (IE by lynching you or Citizen, then lynching the other the next day) there is no issue about voting and persuading theoretically, since if we can agree that there is a HIGH PROBABILITY that you or citizen are mafia (Like I said, I think you are mafia) then killing both of you is a good course of action.
Citizen giving up makes me think even more that is it you, unless he is continuing to mind fuck us.
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i was thinking we divide ourselves into two groups, actives and lurkers. and if a lurker dies, then a mafia member is more likely among the actives and vice versa. maybe this is a terrible idea since we get into WIFOM territory.
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On March 29 2010 02:07 citi.zen wrote:
You mentioned RoL. Many things he said are inconsistent, but what bothers me most is saying he is SURE one of us is red. Now, for all our differences, I never claimed I can be SURE you are red - that would be absurd without a confirmed DT. Yet RoL is sure that if one of us flips green, the other is red - even saying he wishes he could 2x Lynch right now. This is of course the perfect Mafia set-up if we ARE both green - not only do you lynch one tonight but the other is lead candidate for tomorrow.
##unvote ace##
##vote RoL##
You seriously think I am mafia? What the fuck kind of thinking is this? I was saying double lynch scenario just to emphasize how its more worthwhile to go 1:1 trade a green for a red then to not kill anyone at all.
I was talking in terms of killing Ace and then you (if Ace is green) since I view the likeliness of one of you being mafia as very high. Just based on behavior. I don't really think you are mafia, I think Ace is. If for some reason Ace is NOT mafia that would make me suspect of you.
Maybe I was too aggressive and murderous with my posting? Oh well. I ain't mafia.
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RoL, what if youre wrong about ace and citizen? what if both mafia are in the group of lurkers just waiting for the town to mislynch? how can you be so sure that one of them is mafia? imo it's more likely they are both green given the amount of lurkers in this game.
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On March 28 2010 14:29 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think nemY's vote for ace is hilarious
"holy shit we lost both blues already that means the mafia must be hella good. oh wait! ace is a gosu player! must be his doing."
And who else do you think is capable of sniping both our blues? Do you folks really think it is pure coincidence that both of our blues died in by the SECOND day?
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while vivi57's death could be ace's doing, versatile's death was just pure luck
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For the record I don't really understand why people are for a "no-lynch" today. You guys keep saying either it'll be a "4v2" or a "3v2" when it could easily be a "4v1" if we hit mafia. Ace provides the best option for this at least in my eyes. I seriously feel like he's playing most of the town into his hands and I fail too see how at least some of you guys don't see this!
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On March 29 2010 02:52 nemY wrote:
For the record I don't really understand why people are for a "no-lynch" today. You guys keep saying either it'll be a "4v2" or a "3v2" when it could easily be a "4v1" if we hit mafia. Ace provides the best option for this at least in my eyes. I seriously feel like he's playing most of the town into his hands and I fail too see how at least some of you guys don't see this!
These are not bad points - it's similar to what I said: we need the 4v1, or we lose. I think 4v2 or 3v2 are both very bad. Since the DT is dead, I don't see how we can get much more information between now and day 3, so we'll back in the same place, forced to make a correct lynching based on incomplete information. We are delaying the do-or-die for no good reason, and in fact we'll have one less townie around.
I am also concerned about Ace, as well as RoL... it's a gamble either way.
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Having gone back over their posts, I think nemY and RoL are probably green and Ace is setting this whole thing up.
##unvote rol##
##vote ace##
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you're kidding right?
##unvote rol
## vote citizen
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Under 3 hours left until the lynch votes are finalized. Make sure your votes mean what you intend! Also: There's no need to unvote.
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Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts.
GL town.
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bummer
ill try this anyway
##Vote fishball##
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Micropolis: End of Day 2
Looking from the outside, the future of Micropolis was looking up! Each of the town's residents now had their own bungalow - allowing them to live and sleep in comfort. But appearances were deceiving. The town was no closer to eliminating the mafia threat hidden within. Will all their efforts to build up the new town be for naught? Throughout the day, the residents argued back and forth, and two voices rose higher than the rest. After some jockeying, it was decided. citi.zen would hang today. But as they hung him from the central courtyard and greedily ran to pillage his new home, they found only his limited edition "Jim Raynor" figurine set. No gun, nor any other sign of malicious intent could be found among his possessions. This realization caused them to look at each other grimly. The jaws of death were closing around them. Would they survive?
citi.zen the townie has been lynched. 4 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Players please PM your night actions by 10pm EST tomorrow. Remember to use the given format in the OP!
Final vote count for the day's lynch:
3 votes for ace:
citi.zen
rebirthoflegend
nemy
citi.zen
4 votes for citi.zen:
ace
haster27
johnnyspazz
fishball
ace
0 votes for rebirthoflegend:
ace
citi.zen
players who have not voted:
Unrecognized votes:
ace: ##unvote citizen##
ace: ##unvote rol</b><br><b>##
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Oh waw, look at that :-)
Bye-bye now.
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 sorry 5 minutes too late
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On March 29 2010 11:04 johnnyspazz wrote:
bummer
ill try this anyway
##Vote fishball##
Sorry. The day ends at 11:00KST/TeamLiquid time. It takes me a few minutes to write the end of day post so the post cannot appear right at 11:00, but your vote is after the deadline and will not count.
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ok mafia do your worst!
so let me guess RoL's next vote, it's on Ace right?
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So 3 Green vs 2 Red after Night.
Statistically speaking, any Green would have a 50% chance of hitting a red by voting randomly. Not that it matters.
It would be over if Town missed the next lynch.
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On March 29 2010 11:10 johnnyspazz wrote:
ok mafia do your worst!
so let me guess RoL's next vote, it's on Ace right?
YOUUUUUUUUUU KNOWWWWWWWW ITTTTTTTTT.
If you aren't with me, then I will vigi hit you and vote triple lynch.
I swear to god I will.
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On March 29 2010 02:32 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 14:29 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think nemY's vote for ace is hilarious
"holy shit we lost both blues already that means the mafia must be hella good. oh wait! ace is a gosu player! must be his doing." And who else do you think is capable of sniping both our blues? Do you folks really think it is pure coincidence that both of our blues died in by the SECOND day?
On March 29 2010 02:34 johnnyspazz wrote:
while vivi57's death could be ace's doing, versatile's death was just pure luck
Just to talk about this. I think killing Vivi was mostly luck, with maybe a little reading after the initial vote. Versatile was most likely a behavioral read.
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On March 29 2010 10:23 citi.zen wrote:
Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts.
GL town.
I recall thinking this, dunno if I said it.
Also, ima say it.
I was right.
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How's that tunnel vision and rage working out for you RoL?
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I dunno, I will let you know when you are dead.
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Since I'm on lunch break and the thread haven't moved for a while...
Interesting move by johnnyspazz at the end of Day vote change. Not regarding the voting subject, as voting for me is totally legit, but the move itself.
- johnnyspazz tried to make a last minute vote change. Why?
- I don't know whether Ace or citi.zen got three votes first, but it would be irrelevant. If citi.zen got 3 votes first, he would still be lynched, and johnnyspazz's action would mean nothing. If Ace got 3 votes first, Ace would be lynched. If johnnyspazz wanted Ace to be lynched, why vote for a 3rd person instead of directly voting for Ace? Doesn't want the extra "attention"?
- Voting for me at that point of the game would do nothing. It is impossible for me to be lynched with just 1 vote. If he says his intent was to "lynch" me, I call BS.
Quite a bad move there johnnyspazz.
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- johnnyspazz tried to make a last minute vote change. Why?
i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death
imo a red player wouldn't even bother posting something like that
- I don't know whether Ace or citi.zen got three votes first, but it would be irrelevant. If citi.zen got 3 votes first, he would still be lynched, and johnnyspazz's action would mean nothing. If Ace got 3 votes first, Ace would be lynched. If johnnyspazz wanted Ace to be lynched, why vote for a 3rd person instead of directly voting for Ace? Doesn't want the extra "attention"?
i changed my vote to get a possible reaction
- Voting for me at that point of the game would do nothing. It is impossible for me to be lynched with just 1 vote. If he says his intent was to "lynch" me, I call BS.
wrong. there is no "unvote" option so to kill ace instead of citizen, all i have to do is switch my vote to anyone. why so defensive over a single vote?
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Can we please just lynch Ace next time day comes around?
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so you and fishball can autowin this game?
NO THANKS
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On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death imo a red player wouldn't even bother posting something like that Show nested quote +- I don't know whether Ace or citi.zen got three votes first, but it would be irrelevant. If citi.zen got 3 votes first, he would still be lynched, and johnnyspazz's action would mean nothing. If Ace got 3 votes first, Ace would be lynched. If johnnyspazz wanted Ace to be lynched, why vote for a 3rd person instead of directly voting for Ace? Doesn't want the extra "attention"? i changed my vote to get a possible reaction Show nested quote +- Voting for me at that point of the game would do nothing. It is impossible for me to be lynched with just 1 vote. If he says his intent was to "lynch" me, I call BS. wrong. there is no "unvote" option so to kill ace instead of citizen, all i have to do is switch my vote to anyone. why so defensive over a single vote?
I can see you have reading comprehension problems as well. I already said it is legit to vote for me, but your last minute action was obviously not intended to lynch me as it simply would not happen at that point. The entire post was to question your actions, not why or why not I should be lynched.
On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
why so defensive over a single vote?
I repeat again, your reading sucks.
On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death
i changed my vote to get a possible reaction
So like I mentioned above, if you wanted Ace dead you could have just voted for him. So you voted for me, just to see "a possible reaction", at the last minute, yeah sure.
Ace could very well be Mafia, and I have no problem voting for him next. But if you keep up your sketchy little moves like this, I'm inclined to vote for you first. There is a saying, "Dumb Townie or Mafia, both deserve to die".
Also,
On March 30 2010 07:43 nemY wrote:
Can we please just lynch Ace next time day comes around?
On March 30 2010 07:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
so you and fishball can autowin this game?
NO THANKS
So me, Nemy, Ace are all Mafia now right? Oh wait.
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Micropolis: Start of Day 3:
As the residents of Micropolis slept uneasily, a shrieking wail pierced through the night. The alarm on one of the resident's homes! All of the town responded as quickly as they could - but they were too late. The killer had already done the job, and slipped away unnoticed. The five still alive looked at each other. Who among them was the perpetrator of the deed?
RebirthofLegend the townie has been killed during the night. 3 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Day 3 ends in approximately 48 hours, at March 31, 10pm EST (or April 1, 11:00 KST TeamLiquid time)! That means if a vote is placed at 11:00 or later, by the TeamLiquid timestamp, it does NOT count! Votes are now once again being counted!
##start day##
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lol gl. The other mafia member is lucky my girlfriend distracted me this morning ^_^
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Please be aware a new rule has been added:
Do not make any promises beyond the scope of the current game.
I have always had this rule in mind, but since there was no history of players breaking this rule, I did not want to add even more text to the opening post. However, since an occurrence of this situation has just occurred in TL mafia, I must now explicitly specify this rule.
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To give an example of a violation of this rule:
Everyone is saying Zona is mafia and is about to lynch him. To save himself, he posts, "I promise never to play in TL mafia games again if I turn out not to be town." Everyone thinks to themselves, "Well, Zona loves to play mafia on TL, so he wouldn't lie about that. I guess he really is town," and unvotes him.
This is against the spirit of the game.
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On March 30 2010 12:29 Zona wrote:
To give an example of a violation of this rule:
Everyone is saying Zona is mafia and is about to lynch him. To save himself, he posts, "I promise never to play in TL mafia games again if I turn out not to be town." Everyone thinks to themselves, "Well, Zona loves to play mafia on TL, so he wouldn't lie about that. I guess he really is town," and unvotes him.
This is against the spirit of the game.
I actually hate this crap a lot as well. Like BM in previous games, and QS trying to get himself mod-killed in BC's game, when he was indeed Mafia.
Ugh.
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##Vote Ace## This should be self-explanatory
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On March 30 2010 09:01 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:- johnnyspazz tried to make a last minute vote change. Why? i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death imo a red player wouldn't even bother posting something like that - I don't know whether Ace or citi.zen got three votes first, but it would be irrelevant. If citi.zen got 3 votes first, he would still be lynched, and johnnyspazz's action would mean nothing. If Ace got 3 votes first, Ace would be lynched. If johnnyspazz wanted Ace to be lynched, why vote for a 3rd person instead of directly voting for Ace? Doesn't want the extra "attention"? i changed my vote to get a possible reaction - Voting for me at that point of the game would do nothing. It is impossible for me to be lynched with just 1 vote. If he says his intent was to "lynch" me, I call BS. wrong. there is no "unvote" option so to kill ace instead of citizen, all i have to do is switch my vote to anyone. why so defensive over a single vote? I can see you have reading comprehension problems as well. I already said it is legit to vote for me, but your last minute action was obviously not intended to lynch me as it simply would not happen at that point. The entire post was to question your actions, not why or why not I should be lynched. Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
why so defensive over a single vote? I repeat again, your reading sucks. Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death
i changed my vote to get a possible reaction
So like I mentioned above, if you wanted Ace dead you could have just voted for him. So you voted for me, just to see "a possible reaction", at the last minute, yeah sure. Ace could very well be Mafia, and I have no problem voting for him next. But if you keep up your sketchy little moves like this, I'm inclined to vote for you first. There is a saying, "Dumb Townie or Mafia, both deserve to die". Also, Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 07:43 nemY wrote:
Can we please just lynch Ace next time day comes around? Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 07:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
so you and fishball can autowin this game?
NO THANKS So me, Nemy, Ace are all Mafia now right? Oh wait.
wtf fishball, do YOU have reading comprehension problems?
i knew ace got three votes first so yes he would've died no matter who i changed votes to, it just happened to be you. yes i did it to see if i got a reaction, maybe in hindsight it was dumb? but your reaction to a single vote is quite over the top.
i never said you,nemy, and ace are all mafia. are you retarded? i said you and nemy are mafia meaning ace is green. if we all lynch ace, the town auto loses because he is green.
also, yes please vote to kill me you stupid idiot, when you kill a dumb townie at this point of the game we instant lose. i thought you were the type to read everyone's posts carefully but i guess not.
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On March 30 2010 13:37 nemY wrote:
##Vote Ace## This should be self-explanatory
it's night time
hope this helps
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DAMNIT i'm a retarded sorry nemy
SORRY i apologize
##vote fishball##
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On March 30 2010 14:04 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 09:01 Fishball wrote:On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:- johnnyspazz tried to make a last minute vote change. Why? i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death imo a red player wouldn't even bother posting something like that - I don't know whether Ace or citi.zen got three votes first, but it would be irrelevant. If citi.zen got 3 votes first, he would still be lynched, and johnnyspazz's action would mean nothing. If Ace got 3 votes first, Ace would be lynched. If johnnyspazz wanted Ace to be lynched, why vote for a 3rd person instead of directly voting for Ace? Doesn't want the extra "attention"? i changed my vote to get a possible reaction - Voting for me at that point of the game would do nothing. It is impossible for me to be lynched with just 1 vote. If he says his intent was to "lynch" me, I call BS. wrong. there is no "unvote" option so to kill ace instead of citizen, all i have to do is switch my vote to anyone. why so defensive over a single vote? I can see you have reading comprehension problems as well. I already said it is legit to vote for me, but your last minute action was obviously not intended to lynch me as it simply would not happen at that point. The entire post was to question your actions, not why or why not I should be lynched. On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
why so defensive over a single vote? I repeat again, your reading sucks. On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death
i changed my vote to get a possible reaction
So like I mentioned above, if you wanted Ace dead you could have just voted for him. So you voted for me, just to see "a possible reaction", at the last minute, yeah sure. Ace could very well be Mafia, and I have no problem voting for him next. But if you keep up your sketchy little moves like this, I'm inclined to vote for you first. There is a saying, "Dumb Townie or Mafia, both deserve to die". Also, On March 30 2010 07:43 nemY wrote:
Can we please just lynch Ace next time day comes around? On March 30 2010 07:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
so you and fishball can autowin this game?
NO THANKS So me, Nemy, Ace are all Mafia now right? Oh wait. wtf fishball, do YOU have reading comprehension problems? i knew ace got three votes first so yes he would've died no matter who i changed votes to, it just happened to be you. yes i did it to see if i got a reaction, maybe in hindsight it was dumb? but your reaction to a single vote is quite over the top. i never said you,nemy, and ace are all mafia. are you retarded? i said you and nemy are mafia meaning ace is green. if we all lynch ace, the town auto loses because he is green. also, yes please vote to kill me you stupid idiot, when you kill a dumb townie at this point of the game we instant lose. i thought you were the type to read everyone's posts carefully but i guess not.
lol, typical dumb argument. I'm not going to bother since I already said it once.
Anyways, just to point out something interesting.
On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
i tried to change my vote so that ace would die
On March 30 2010 14:04 johnnyspazz wrote:
i knew ace got three votes first so yes he would've died no matter who i changed votes to
On March 30 2010 14:04 johnnyspazz wrote:
i said you and nemy are mafia meaning ace is green. if we all lynch ace, the town auto loses because he is green.
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lol, typical dumb argument. I'm not going to bother since I already said it once.
Anyways, just to point out something interesting.
lol typical smug im too cool agrument
dayum bro, why dont you cast a vote already
yeah its very interesting that i think you and nemy are mafia and therefore making ace green
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you must be really special if you think ace would kill RoL if he was mafia
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I know English isn't your first language, but still...
Anyways, I'll vote whenever I want. Right now I'm just enjoying the ride.
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it would also be nice if ace had something to say
w/e eff this game, i'll just follow RoL's advice since he was a confirmed townie
this game is pretty much over without anyone posting
##vote ace##
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On March 30 2010 14:58 Fishball wrote:
I know English isn't your first language, but still...
Anyways, I'll vote whenever I want. Right now I'm just enjoying the ride.
man, maybe instead of acting like youre the shit, maybe you can help improve my reading comprehension skills eh?
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Actually I wasn't here for like what, 9 hours or so? How can you vote me saying it would be nice if I had something to say when you haven't even said much yourself.
RoL is a confirmed townie but he was also wrong. Citizen was a confirmed townie also, was he right then too? Of course, you voted for him to die too. In fact you 1 line quoted part of my post and said "I'm convinced!" and never came back until after the hammer fell.
##vote johnnyspazz##
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On March 30 2010 15:01 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 14:58 Fishball wrote:
I know English isn't your first language, but still...
Anyways, I'll vote whenever I want. Right now I'm just enjoying the ride.
man, maybe instead of acting like youre the shit, maybe you can help improve my reading comprehension skills eh?
If you want to "improve", first thing I suggest is to stop your little annoying bitchy attitude, stop twisting my words inside your own little world, and stop acting like a be-headed chicken running around. Just look at all your posts on page 15. Ask anyone, and see what they think of it.
On March 30 2010 14:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
w/e eff this game
##vote ace##
I'd say eff you.
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The activity in this thread never ceases to amaze me...
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Anyways I'll try to bring the activity up by posting my top 3 suspects for now:
Ace
There really is no logic/reason for him to be alive at this point in the game. He's a great player who carries so much weight within the game. He's a catalyst to the game. His contributions are either ridiculously beneficial to the town (he sets traps and catches mafia) or are the equivalent of a one-man wrecking ball to the town. Ask yourself, which Ace have you seen this game? Need further evidence?
On March 25 2010 15:04 Vivi57 wrote:
lawl, this is what we get for letting 2 games run at the same time.
Anyway, if anyone still cares about the game, if I die, dt should check ace tonight.
Oh, and there's a good chance I won't be back before the deadline, but I might be back around 9pm est.
the dt never got to report their findings because they came back dead the next day
On March 29 2010 10:23 citi.zen wrote:Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts. Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 15:04 Vivi57 wrote:
lawl, this is what we get for letting 2 games run at the same time.
Anyway, if anyone still cares about the game, if I die, dt should check ace tonight.
Oh, and there's a good chance I won't be back before the deadline, but I might be back around 9pm est. GL town.
citi.zen encourages the town to look at Ace again after his death, but we don't.
On March 29 2010 13:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 10:23 citi.zen wrote:
Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts.
GL town. I recall thinking this, dunno if I said it. Also, ima say it. I was right.
Now RoL's dead
Fishball
The guy is normally semi-active/behind-the-scenes during previous mafia games, yet in this game he's posted jack shit. His only real contribution to the town has been his flawed "mafia list"
On March 27 2010 12:11 Fishball wrote:Remaining Player listRebirthOfLeGenD Ace citi.zen Fishball haster27 johnnyspazz nemY 7 players left, 2 are Mafia. I know I'm green, so that leaves me with 6 choices. If I vote randomly, there is a 33% chance I will hit a Mafia. Now lets take a look at the order of Zona's list of players. Show nested quote +On March 21 2010 10:42 Zona wrote:
Player list
1. Abenson replaced by RebirthOfLeGenD (aka rol)
2. Ace
3. citi.zen (aka: citizen)
4. Fishball
5. haster27 (aka: haster)
6. johnnyspazz (aka: johnny, jonny, or jonnyspazz)
7. nemY
8. Versatile (aka: vers) the detective, killed Night 1
9. Vivi57 (aka: vivi) the medic, lynched Day 1 As pure speculation, it would be fair to say there will be a Mafia in 1-3 and another one in 5-7. Granted, this is purely speculation, as we already have 2 blues at the bottom of the list, and Zona might not have used the exact order to generate roles. There is a good chance that either Ace or citi.zen, that one of them could be red. This thread citi.zen has posted the most, with Ace being second. Versatile haven't posted much at all, just like me, Nemy etc., yet she was hit. Why? Previous history? Ace definitely knows her more than anyone else here. Random hit? Could be anyone. How random can this be? Of course people can say, "What if you are lying? What if you are Mafia?". Well to those 4 other Townies out there, you know who you are. I don't need you to believe what I say, but I want you to be aware of the situation.
Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it
On March 28 2010 13:48 Fishball wrote:
nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention.
I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL.
He then chooses to vote to lynch citi.zen after citi.zen attacks his list essentially calling it stupid, but offers up no real valid reason for why he's voting for citi.zen
On March 28 2010 15:59 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 15:17 citi.zen wrote:On March 27 2010 12:11 Fishball wrote:Remaining Player listRebirthOfLeGenD Ace citi.zen Fishball haster27 johnnyspazz nemY 7 players left, 2 are Mafia. I know I'm green, so that leaves me with 6 choices. If I vote randomly, there is a 33% chance I will hit a Mafia. Now lets take a look at the order of Zona's list of players. On March 21 2010 10:42 Zona wrote:
Player list
1. Abenson replaced by RebirthOfLeGenD (aka rol)
2. Ace
3. citi.zen (aka: citizen)
4. Fishball
5. haster27 (aka: haster)
6. johnnyspazz (aka: johnny, jonny, or jonnyspazz)
7. nemY
8. Versatile (aka: vers) the detective, killed Night 1
9. Vivi57 (aka: vivi) the medic, lynched Day 1 As pure speculation, it would be fair to say there will be a Mafia in 1-3 and another one in 5-7. Granted, this is purely speculation, as we already have 2 blues at the bottom of the list, and Zona might not have used the exact order to generate roles. There is a good chance that either Ace or citi.zen, that one of them could be red. This thread citi.zen has posted the most, with Ace being second. Versatile haven't posted much at all, just like me, Nemy etc., yet she was hit. Why? Previous history? Ace definitely knows her more than anyone else here. Random hit? Could be anyone. How random can this be? Of course people can say, "What if you are lying? What if you are Mafia?". Well to those 4 other Townies out there, you know who you are. I don't need you to believe what I say, but I want you to be aware of the situation. Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me. Either your comprehension skills are bad, or you're trying to make a play. I said I know I'm green, but I also said I don't expect everyone to believe me. I could very well be red in another player's eyes. I don't get what you're trying to pick at. I've made up my mind. ##Vote citi.zen##
Make a play? What does that mean? citi.zen's trying to discredit your admittedly flawed list! Who wouldn't? IT FUCKING SUCKS. You yourself conceded that when you pointed out that the two blues were ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST.
jspazz
His behavior/defense has been off the wall fishy/scummy. I'm not going to go through and quote everything he's said, because I'm somewhat lazy and have been working on this post for a good chunk of time right now, but rest assured JUST READ PAGE 15 OF THIS GAME. Also his last-second vote change (that did not count because he was too late) the day before is illogical.
On March 29 2010 11:04 johnnyspazz wrote:
bummer
ill try this anyway
##Vote fishball##
if you really wanted to kill ace jspazz why not move the vote over to Ace?
Conclusion
Obviously all three can't be mafia; just aint physically possible. I'm pretty sure 2/3 lurk in my suspicions though.
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yeah ace and i are secretly both scum voting for each other to throw you guys off
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if i was really scum, would i be stupid enough to throw a last minute vote if i knew citizen was green?
oh wait, yeah, i'm dumb enough to do that
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Well yea, you did. That last minute voting for Fishball with the "I'm convinced" line vote for citizen was a real eye opener. Hell, you've voted for just about anyone you could.
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On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Anyways I'll try to bring the activity up by posting my top 3 suspects for now:
Excluding yourself, your top 3 list is 3 out of 4 remaining players. Just saying.
On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Fishball
The guy is normally semi-active/behind-the-scenes during previous mafia games, yet in this game he's posted jack shit. His only real contribution to the town has been his flawed "mafia list"
That was never a real mafia list, hence the statement: PURE SPECULATION.
On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it
Please quote me "sticking" to it and "defending" it.
On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
He then chooses to vote to lynch citi.zen after citi.zen attacks his list essentially calling it stupid, but offers up no real valid reason for why he's voting for citi.zen.
citi.zen used a flaw argument saying that I could be Mafia, where I already mentioned right there that I could very well be. Do all of you guys fail at reading? You make a mistake, I vote for you, pretty much that simple.
On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Make a play? What does that mean? citi.zen's trying to discredit your admittedly flawed list! Who wouldn't? IT FUCKING SUCKS. You yourself conceded that when you pointed out that the two blues were ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST.
1. I already said the list was pure speculation. You and citi.zen both failed to understand what that means.
2. I specifically mentioned in the post that I could very well be Mafia, and the Town need not believe everything I say. You and citi.zen both missed that as well.
3. Either citi.zen has bad comprehension skills (like the majority of players tbh), or he is playing dumb to "accuse" me, when all the stuff has ALREADY been covered in the first place. I actually think citi.zen is a decent player.
Just to elaborate more regarding the term "bad comprehension skills". It doesn't exactly mean the person is bad at reading and/or understanding, although those are the main causes. Another thing is people tend to skim through posts and just start to reply, which is actually even more annoying. A lot of information is lost in translation, key terms are missed, and people just start arguing over virtually nothing (Your post is a good example). This is also one of the reasons why I avoid long daily debates and tend to keep things to myself to a certain degree.
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I don't really have time to go through each point you made, but i'll do the best with what little time i have:
On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it
Please quote me "sticking" to it and "defending" it.
On March 28 2010 13:48 Fishball wrote:
nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention.
I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL.
Unless i'm mistaken me being in the "bottom bracket" would mean you think i could be mafia because i'm "hypothetically" on the second half of your list. You're using your list as evidence to support your previous point (my "out of nowhere" behavior) thus you are defending its validity.
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so lmao @ nemy doing what fishball said he hates
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On March 31 2010 09:10 nemY wrote:I don't really have time to go through each point you made, but i'll do the best with what little time i have: Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it
Please quote me "sticking" to it and "defending" it. Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 13:48 Fishball wrote:
nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention.
I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL. Unless i'm mistaken me being in the "bottom bracket" would mean you think i could be mafia because i'm "hypothetically" on the second half of your list. You're using your list as evidence to support your previous point (my "out of nowhere" behavior) thus you are defending its validity.
I'm only doing this once.
Definitions of "Speculation":
- a guess: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence.
- a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence).
Search it up on Google. I've already underlined all the keywords for you.
What you've said is hardly evidence, or to say, even related to me "sticking" and "defending" my list. For example, if there is a list of 10 players, and I claim there must be a mafia among 1-3 and 8-10 respectively; A DT comes out and says No.5 is Mafia. I refuse to listen and say it is not possible due to X and Y reasons. THAT would be sticking to and defending my list.
So, I created this list purely for speculation (definition above!). What am I supposed to do after? Of course I'm going to speculate!
On March 28 2010 13:48 Fishball wrote:
nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention.
I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL.
I never once said you ARE Mafia did I? Keywords are underlined. What is it again? Speculation!
On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
You're using your list as evidence to support your previous point (my "out of nowhere" behavior) thus you are defending its validity.
Now after I re-read what you said above, seems like you got it all wrong in the first place.
- First off, my "out of nowhere" statement was AFTER the list, not before. (List on page 10, statement on page 12)
- Secondly, all that you've mentioned and quoted on me, I've already explained above. The entire thing is basically speculation, from one point to another. If they don't link, then it would be pointless wouldn't it?
On March 31 2010 09:10 nemY wrote:
I don't really have time to go through each point you made, but i'll do the best with what little time i have
It is quite convenient that among the 5 points I've replied to you, you choose the 3rd one. Sure it is one of the shortest lines, but the others aren't exactly very long either. To me, it's more like you have something to say and reply to regarding this point, but not the others.
I understand it is just normal human nature to avoid acknowledging things that are undesirable to your self interest (reminds me of L), but still.
Hey, god knows, maybe you really don't have time and you just eyeballed #3 and started replying.
This is all about specu... Never mind, I'm sick of this word now.
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On March 30 2010 14:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
eff this game
Play to win. There's only 1-4 real life days remaining in the game anyways so please put forth your best effort.
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hey i'm out of town right now and i might be out of town when the voting ends, if i get back sooner i'll try to reply to your msg fishball but right now the internet here really sucks :/
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haster27 has been quiet of late. In fact, TOO quiet. He haven't posted since page 12, which was well more than 3 days ago.
He has been active in the other game but not this one, even when we don't have that many players left.
If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick.
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##vote haster127##
No lurking to victory over here.
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I am writing out my defense. Just posting because this is taking much longer than I thought, and probably will take a while.
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I see I am being suspected due to my inactivity. I expected this sooner or later; I over-extended myself signing in two games after all. I have no other defense to mount besides the fact that I have been too much preoccupied trying to save the disaster that was going down on WaW Mafia. Thus at this point I will just post my analysis of all alive players.
Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected.
First, Fishball
First thing that concerns me about Fishball is the way he made a vote on citizen. His first big post is nonsense argument that there are likely to be one Mafia on 1~3, and another around 5~7 due to probability. This is when Zona said in his OP that roles are distributed by random number generator and that lists are clearly alphabetical. I took a quick look at the past games held, and there were lot of instances where Mafia were clumped together on one side of the list. Fishball to my knowledge has played on TL Mafia lots of times, so why is he making such argument? Citizen argued that his 1~3,5~7 idea is senseless, which Fishball responded with a vote calling it a "play".
Now this has been already pointed out by nemY, which he defended by stating 1) he said his list cannot be trusted, and 2) the list was created purely for the speculation. This makes his vote make less sense. This is the citizen post that is the problem:
Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me
Note that main topic of the post was to claim that Fishball's list was senseless (logically for the reasons I stated above) and not to argue that Fishball is Mafia. Now, number one is perfect defense. I post a idea or opinion that could influence other people's thoughts, and when someone writes that idea is flawed, I can criticize him because I wrote in that post that people are free to believe or not believe this idea. Fishball is saying citizen is Mafia for pointing out a flaw in his argument- this is like worse form of OMGUS. I just feel like the vote has been thrown too lightly, especially considering that the idea being criticized was just "speculation" as you state.
Another thing I note is that Fishball's first big post implicate Ace pretty heavily for wrong reasons, since out of 1~3 player list Ace is only surviving non-Mafia member. Random hit argument is also ridiculous, since Versatile arguing with citizen gave Mafia far more incentive to kill her than any random Townie like me who post but had not posted any wrong accusations against Townie yet. I did not do firm analysis on Ace yet, so don't know what to make out of this for now.
Another thing I note is that Fishball seem to have made a lot of posts that look impressive, but does not help much at all at hindsight; 1~3,5~7 Mafia list, "If I vote randomly, I have XX% chance of hitting Mafia", "Ace, citi.zen, RoL, all give me the same gut feeling. Seems like either one of them are Mafia, or all three of them are green.", "johnnyspazz vote change should be something to be noted".
On March 28 2010 16:10 Fishball wrote:
Nemy is on top of my gut list, but no point voting for him, unless you guys would change votes.
Johnnyspazz haven't posted much. Can't comment. Lurking Mafia? Possible. Especially in a small game setting like this.
haster27 have made some logical posts, least concerned as a suspect for the moment.
This is the post where he wrote his opinion about all the players before his (still continuing) argument with johnnyspazz occured. First, he comes out of nowhere and state nemY is his top suspect without giving any explanation although he did not post many comments such like johnnyspazz. It should be pro-town move to write at least a sentence about one's reason for suspicion. And I cannot see why I would be treated as least suspect. I checked, and my only contribution was two posts about Xelin absense and Citizen-Ace conflict. Pro-town moves, but definitely not enough to push me out of 'possible Mafia' area.
In fact, "If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick" is the correct reaction pro-town player should have toward me, even if just to force me into activity. However, I am concerned about "my top pick" comment. Although I might be lurking Mafia, it is just that- suspicion. There is not much evidence against me besides my preference toward that other game, and in situation where 3 Townie vs 2 Mafia, Town should be trying to lynch suspect with most evidence against him rather than one having dubious alignment. Could have intentionally exaggerated his wording to create a bandwagon attempt against me.
Currently I think that he is likely Mafia, although my opinion may change after looking at other players.
By the way, don't trust my argument because I may or may not be Townie. This is all speculation, and everyone should make up their minds themselves.
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1.) where is your analysis on me?
2.) where is your vote?
That said I understand where you come from with the Fishball argument. Trust me, it makes tons of sense. However Fishball may look, you and jspazz look far more suspect. Yes Fishball's logic was crap but you have lurked forever and you don't have a valid excuse. You could read this thread in 10 minutes and make a decent post so what gives?
Next Jspazz lurked too. Even worse when he did post well...yea. Clear bandwagoning. I'm sure you yourself would agree you two look the most suspect.
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1) like 4 hrs later, I suppose, or maybe even tomorrow.
2) When does the day end?
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Well, then clearly I have no time to make my analysis. I'll make independent decision and hopefully get my reasoning up in time. I am assuming the lynching system is normal and not like WaW game where town majority is essential.
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On April 01 2010 06:02 Ace wrote:
Next Jspazz lurked too. Even worse when he did post well...yea. Clear bandwagoning. I'm sure you yourself would agree you two look the most suspect.
And I see nemY lurked reasonably too. Why single out Jspazz? You seem to be here so hopefully we can get some form of discussion going. Btw, it only take few minutes to find a topic you can write about, but to write a big post trying to explain it convincingly eats up your time like no tomorrow.
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Also, I like how you use the fact I only analyzed Fishball as sign of bandwagoning when:
"Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected.
First, Fishball"
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I never said you band wagoned, I was talking about jspazz.
Nemy hasn't even lurked if you consider that of the people alive, I think he's posted the second most? Him and Fishball pretty much.
I singled out jspazz because he lurked AND his votes were always wagon votes. Hell, he wasn't even trying to cover this up.
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# of posts after the day post
Ace 63 posts
Fishball 19 posts
haster27 28 posts
johnnyspazz 30 posts
nemY 25 posts
First, discussing how posted how much is pretty irrelevant at this point because other than you our post counts are same same. Though I agree johnnyspazz was more prone to posting one-liners until his vote switch.
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I am leaving so I'll just follow what you think and vote the most inactive player.
##vote johnnyspazz##
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Well I'm not letting myself die for inactivity
##vote johnnyspazz##
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On April 01 2010 05:54 haster27 wrote:I see I am being suspected due to my inactivity. I expected this sooner or later; I over-extended myself signing in two games after all. I have no other defense to mount besides the fact that I have been too much preoccupied trying to save the disaster that was going down on WaW Mafia. Thus at this point I will just post my analysis of all alive players. Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected. First, FishballFirst thing that concerns me about Fishball is the way he made a vote on citizen. His first big post is nonsense argument that there are likely to be one Mafia on 1~3, and another around 5~7 due to probability. This is when Zona said in his OP that roles are distributed by random number generator and that lists are clearly alphabetical. I took a quick look at the past games held, and there were lot of instances where Mafia were clumped together on one side of the list. Fishball to my knowledge has played on TL Mafia lots of times, so why is he making such argument? Citizen argued that his 1~3,5~7 idea is senseless, which Fishball responded with a vote calling it a "play". Now this has been already pointed out by nemY, which he defended by stating 1) he said his list cannot be trusted, and 2) the list was created purely for the speculation. This makes his vote make less sense. This is the citizen post that is the problem: Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me Note that main topic of the post was to claim that Fishball's list was senseless (logically for the reasons I stated above) and not to argue that Fishball is Mafia. Now, number one is perfect defense. I post a idea or opinion that could influence other people's thoughts, and when someone writes that idea is flawed, I can criticize him because I wrote in that post that people are free to believe or not believe this idea. Fishball is saying citizen is Mafia for pointing out a flaw in his argument- this is like worse form of OMGUS. I just feel like the vote has been thrown too lightly, especially considering that the idea being criticized was just "speculation" as you state. Another thing I note is that Fishball's first big post implicate Ace pretty heavily for wrong reasons, since out of 1~3 player list Ace is only surviving non-Mafia member. Random hit argument is also ridiculous, since Versatile arguing with citizen gave Mafia far more incentive to kill her than any random Townie like me who post but had not posted any wrong accusations against Townie yet. I did not do firm analysis on Ace yet, so don't know what to make out of this for now. Another thing I note is that Fishball seem to have made a lot of posts that look impressive, but does not help much at all at hindsight; 1~3,5~7 Mafia list, "If I vote randomly, I have XX% chance of hitting Mafia", "Ace, citi.zen, RoL, all give me the same gut feeling. Seems like either one of them are Mafia, or all three of them are green.", "johnnyspazz vote change should be something to be noted". Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 16:10 Fishball wrote:
Nemy is on top of my gut list, but no point voting for him, unless you guys would change votes.
Johnnyspazz haven't posted much. Can't comment. Lurking Mafia? Possible. Especially in a small game setting like this.
haster27 have made some logical posts, least concerned as a suspect for the moment. This is the post where he wrote his opinion about all the players before his (still continuing) argument with johnnyspazz occured. First, he comes out of nowhere and state nemY is his top suspect without giving any explanation although he did not post many comments such like johnnyspazz. It should be pro-town move to write at least a sentence about one's reason for suspicion. And I cannot see why I would be treated as least suspect. I checked, and my only contribution was two posts about Xelin absense and Citizen-Ace conflict. Pro-town moves, but definitely not enough to push me out of 'possible Mafia' area. In fact, "If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick" is the correct reaction pro-town player should have toward me, even if just to force me into activity. However, I am concerned about "my top pick" comment. Although I might be lurking Mafia, it is just that- suspicion. There is not much evidence against me besides my preference toward that other game, and in situation where 3 Townie vs 2 Mafia, Town should be trying to lynch suspect with most evidence against him rather than one having dubious alignment. Could have intentionally exaggerated his wording to create a bandwagon attempt against me. Currently I think that he is likely Mafia, although my opinion may change after looking at other players. By the way, don't trust my argument because I may or may not be Townie. This is all speculation, and everyone should make up their minds themselves.
Why hello there. I knew you would pop out after I singled you out.
Now, I've done enough talking about the god damn list in the past few pages, and ALL your points have already been answered. You are basically repeating what Nemy said, same shit over and over again. If you are too naive to understand or lazy to read, feel free to say and bash whatever you like.
Regarding the "Nemy-top-suspect" quote, that was many days ago. I also said you were at the bottom of my list at the time too, but that has also changed also, right?
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On March 31 2010 19:49 Zona wrote:Play to win. There's only 1-4 real life days remaining in the game anyways so please put forth your best effort.
Just because of this quote, I'm inclined to think johnnyspazz might be green.
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That quote is outside the game but whatever. Do you have anything besides that that makes him look legit? He's pretty much lurked and wagoned all game.
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honestly i think this quote sums up I'm green the best
On March 30 2010 14:05 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 13:37 nemY wrote:
##Vote Ace## This should be self-explanatory it's night time hope this helps
why would i even say this if i was mafia? how likely is it that a mafia player forgets that his team already sent a PM for the night kill? am i that good to mind game you guys?
if you guys want to lynch me for lurking and bandwagoning, that's fine. yes, i'm a terrible player but just know that the town will end up losing if i am lynched.
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On March 31 2010 09:02 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Anyways I'll try to bring the activity up by posting my top 3 suspects for now: Excluding yourself, your top 3 list is 3 out of 4 remaining players. Just saying. Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Fishball
The guy is normally semi-active/behind-the-scenes during previous mafia games, yet in this game he's posted jack shit. His only real contribution to the town has been his flawed "mafia list" That was never a real mafia list, hence the statement: PURE SPECULATION. Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it Please quote me "sticking" to it and "defending" it. Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
He then chooses to vote to lynch citi.zen after citi.zen attacks his list essentially calling it stupid, but offers up no real valid reason for why he's voting for citi.zen. citi.zen used a flaw argument saying that I could be Mafia, where I already mentioned right there that I could very well be. Do all of you guys fail at reading? You make a mistake, I vote for you, pretty much that simple. Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote:
Make a play? What does that mean? citi.zen's trying to discredit your admittedly flawed list! Who wouldn't? IT FUCKING SUCKS. You yourself conceded that when you pointed out that the two blues were ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. 1. I already said the list was pure speculation. You and citi.zen both failed to understand what that means. 2. I specifically mentioned in the post that I could very well be Mafia, and the Town need not believe everything I say. You and citi.zen both missed that as well. 3. Either citi.zen has bad comprehension skills (like the majority of players tbh), or he is playing dumb to "accuse" me, when all the stuff has ALREADY been covered in the first place. I actually think citi.zen is a decent player. Just to elaborate more regarding the term "bad comprehension skills". It doesn't exactly mean the person is bad at reading and/or understanding, although those are the main causes. Another thing is people tend to skim through posts and just start to reply, which is actually even more annoying. A lot of information is lost in translation, key terms are missed, and people just start arguing over virtually nothing (Your post is a good example). This is also one of the reasons why I avoid long daily debates and tend to keep things to myself to a certain degree.
Well then I speculate that up until pretty much the end of the game (assuming this game ends soon, DON'T WORRY IT'S JUST SPECULATION TOO) that you've contributed next to nothing content-related to this game. Why exactly would you do that? ##vote Fishball##
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Really though what have you posted of usefulness this entire game Fishball? Oh, we have a n% chance of hitting a mafia tonight if we all vote at random? Getting into a tiff with a non-native english speaker? Attacking back at anyone who suggests you as a possible mafia candidate? Waiting till the end to vote?
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I am about to make a ninja-vote change. This is my reasoning; when reading the game, I assumed out of johnnyspazz and Ace at least one of them was likely to be Mafia because johnnyspazz was the second person to vote for Ace. Since there are only 5 players left in the game, stacking two persons on a person can be very powerful as only group of 3 people can beat it; and there are only three Townies left!
That is why I was dubious about voting for Ace, as he had two votes already and Ace seemed to be scrambling for someone else to bandwagon. Thus I tried to create a situation where there would be 2v2 situation, and seeing how other players responded to my vote (I claimed to have left for the day so that player may believe my vote will be unchanged), counter-vote. Combined with the fact that Fishball had not placed his vote yet, I expected there to be at least one ninja-vote by Mafia to win the game.
However, with nemY vote change, I realize if Fishball stack vote on johnnyspazz it will be hard to overturn. Thus changing my vote accordingly now.
##Vote Fishball##
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##Vote Ace##
Upon deeper consideration, as a Townie you know Townies need to unite to vote out someone and yet you would change your vote like that?
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lol @ this last minute wagon to FB.
##vote haster27##
Last minute voting is no thx. I like how lurkers show up at the very end on a LYLO.
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On April 01 2010 10:57 haster27 wrote:
##Vote Ace##
Upon deeper consideration, as a Townie you know Townies need to unite to vote out someone and yet you would change your vote like that?
I was going to make the last call at the 2 : 2 vote tie, during the last minute.
You totally screwed up my plan haster...
##vote Ace##
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somehow I knew FB was lurking
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Well, looked like we both were planning the same thing then :/
I expected Mafia to vote-switch, but looks like only we ended up scrambling.
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On April 01 2010 10:58 Ace wrote:
lol @ this last minute wagon to FB.
##vote haster27##
Last minute voting is no thx. I like how lurkers show up at the very end on a LYLO.
I was observing the pattern and keep track of the thread this entire hour when I was busy typing up a post in your game.
Haster broke the balance and that just blew all my plans to ashes.
If you are green Ace, no one can save you now after Haster's vote chance. If you are red, then good riddance...
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And Fishball voted Ace? Who in the world IS Mafia?!
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On April 01 2010 11:01 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 10:58 Ace wrote:
lol @ this last minute wagon to FB.
##vote haster27##
Last minute voting is no thx. I like how lurkers show up at the very end on a LYLO. I was observing the pattern and keep track of the thread this entire hour when I was busy typing up a post in your game. Haster broke the balance and that just blew all my plans to ashes. If you are green Ace, no one can save you now after Haster's vote chance. If you are red, then good riddance...
yea I kinda expected somebody to try funny stuff at the end
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On April 01 2010 11:00 Ace wrote:
somehow I knew FB was lurking
I wasn't exactly lurking, like said above.
I was waiting to for my chance to vote.
I was the only one that have NOT voted yet. If I don't vote I'll simply be mod-killed.
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well erm lurking till you could vote, hows that?
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On April 01 2010 11:03 Fishball wrote:I wasn't exactly lurking, like said above. I was waiting to for my chance to vote. I was the only one that have NOT voted yet. If I don't vote I'll simply be mod-killed.
Which is why I expected you to be Mafia ninja voter, whereupon I'll immediately counter vote. nemY screwed up that plan.
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Well this is going to be interesting depending on what color Ace flips lol
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so Three people tried to rig votes? xD
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I knew FB was going to ninja-vote, I didn't expect anything from you haster either
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3 Days of boredom, 3 minutes of excitement.
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On April 01 2010 10:59 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 10:57 haster27 wrote:
##Vote Ace##
Upon deeper consideration, as a Townie you know Townies need to unite to vote out someone and yet you would change your vote like that? I was going to make the last call at the 2 : 2 vote tie, during the last minute. You totally screwed up my plan haster... ##vote Ace##
The plan was screwed the minute Xelin changed votes. No matter how you would vote johnnyspazz would have been voted out for having early 2 votes against him. Which is why immediately thought this was indirect Mafia move and voted for Ace.
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On April 01 2010 11:06 Fishball wrote:
3 Days of boredom, 3 minutes of excitement.
With that said, can we have a little more activity provided we make it thru the night?
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On April 01 2010 11:05 nemY wrote:I knew FB was going to ninja-vote, I didn't expect anything from you haster either
I wouldn't really call that ninja voting, as I didn't even vote yet. Unless you guys actually thought I would get myself mod-killed.
Haster ninja changed his vote. That's a real ninja!
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I don't think anyone was looking at your FB vote with seriousness
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On April 01 2010 11:08 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 11:05 nemY wrote:I knew FB was going to ninja-vote, I didn't expect anything from you haster either I wouldn't really call that ninja voting, as I didn't even vote yet. Unless you guys actually thought I would get myself mod-killed. Haster ninja changed his vote. That's a real ninja!
lol there are good ninjas in the world too.
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On April 01 2010 11:06 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 10:59 Fishball wrote:On April 01 2010 10:57 haster27 wrote:
##Vote Ace##
Upon deeper consideration, as a Townie you know Townies need to unite to vote out someone and yet you would change your vote like that? I was going to make the last call at the 2 : 2 vote tie, during the last minute. You totally screwed up my plan haster... ##vote Ace## The plan was screwed the minute Xelin changed votes. No matter how you would vote johnnyspazz would have been voted out for having early 2 votes against him. Which is why immediately thought this was indirect Mafia move and voted for Ace.
Hi Xelin
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Micropolis: End of Day 2
Time was ticking down for the population of Micropolis. 9 had come to build a new life...but already 4 had perished. Voices were heated as they discussed who to lynch. In the end, a sudden decision was reached. Ace would hang that day.
Ace the mafia roleblocker has been lynched. 3 town-aligned and 1 mafia-aligned players remain!
Players please PM your night actions by 10pm EST tomorrow. Remember to use the given format in the OP!
Final vote count for the day's lynch:
3 votes for ace:
nemy
johnnyspazz
haster27
fishball
1 vote for fishball:
johnnyspazz
nemy
haster27
1 vote for haster27:
ace
0 votes for johnnyspazz:
ace
haster27
players who have not voted:
Unrecognized votes:
ace: ##vote haster127##
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Ok. It fucking worked out. Explanation post to follow.
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yay my ninja skills saved the day (?)
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(posted the end of day for Micro-MAFIA 2 here by accident)
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wrong post rofl. Mod is dead, game ends in epic draw. PACIFISM!!
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Okay, I think this development puts quite FoS on nemY (Xelin lol).
nemY changed his vote at this state:
Ace (2) nemY, johnnyspazz
johnnyspazz (2) haster27, Ace
which turned the situation into
Ace (1) johnnyspazz
Fishball (1) nemY
johnnyspazz (2) haster27, Ace
Even if Fishball interfered it would have been impossible to override early 2 vote disadvantage johnnyspazz had. Note that I tried hard to give impression I will not be here now when I posted my vote. The one thing doubting me is that he could have stacked vote on johnnyspazz so I did not become the decisive factor on the lynch, but I suppose it is possible he was looking out for possibility of Fishball and my ninja-vote.
Fishball is suspicious for waiting too, but if Fishball was Mafia Ace and he could have all zergrushed Fishball vote to overcome my ninja-vote.
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On April 01 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:
<---pro
Raped bitch.
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by who? I owned you easily as always. Get your argument skills up ^_^
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On April 01 2010 11:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Raped bitch.
Sorry I voted with Ace day 2. My specialty is mechanics where everything is cut and clear- I suck at post analysis.
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I planned to vote for Ace long ago. I've suspected him for a while, just like every single one of you guys, but he stood out more after RoL's death.
This game, Ace is "active", but he basically did nothing. He did argue with citi.zen and some others, but a crucial point to me is, he didn't lead any movements, something that he usually tries to do. No plans, no accuses, only defense and riding ideas. I've seen enough of Ace in all these TL games, and this behavior felt off to me.
Versatile's death, I briefly brought this up early on, but was not enough to convince others and even myself that Ace is red.
Now this Day, is basically the most important Day of the game. We miss a lynch, the game is over for Town. We lynch a red, we are still in it.
Everyone knows Ace is a veteran player. If any other player is Mafia, and Ace is a townie, I'm 200% sure they would kill him off as soon as they have the chance. This is what I mean by "stood out after RoL's death" mentioned up top.
I know Ace read all my posts, and definitely have read my thorough explanation to Nemy regarding "my list". Yet he still said the "logic was crap" on page 16. Ace isn't dumb. So I take a look at the list again. Who is left? Ace.
During all these voting periods, Ace vote hopped, not just one day, one time. He doesn't do this, at least not this easy, this frequent. As a person who takes pride of his own intelligence, it's like self admitting he didn't do any analysis or thinking of his own and just agrees with whoever that makes sense. Just look at the voting pattern of the last Day.
You add all these points up, you eventually see the bigger picture.
I never brought my thoughts up in the thread because I knew it would just turn into an eternal loophole debate with Ace, which is a waste of energy, and confusing for the actual townies.
When haster and Ace both voted for johnnyspazz, Nemy and johnnyspazz both voted for Ace, the situation was a 2:2 stalemate.
This was my chance to prove that I am 100% townie: To vote at the last second.
Why? Pretty simple. Like I mentioned above, this is a key Day. If town lynches wrong, it is the end.
Just to break it down, 3 Town 2 Mafia, lynch Town -> 2 Town 2 Mafia -> kill Town -> 1 Town 2 Mafia, bandwagon vote Town -> Mafia Wins.
If I voted Ace at the last second and he turned out green, it would be over and it wouldn't matter if I'm Mafia or not.
If I voted Ace at the last second and he turned out red, I would be 100% Townie. Due to the fact if I am Mafia, I can just vote for the other person that I know that isn't Mafia, and win the game right there. If one of you want to argue that I just want to drag out the game longer, I'll just slap you with my *beep*.
However, reality is always a bit different, as haster made a vote change near the end and my plan all went to hell, well almost. At least you all know why I saved my vote now.
Man, I was almost sure haster was Mafia as well if he didn't change his vote.
So, nemy, johnny, haster. Who is lying?
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lying about what?
what do you think about my post earlier? do i really look red to you?
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On April 01 2010 12:19 johnnyspazz wrote:
lying about what?
what do you think about my post earlier? do i really look red to you?
You know what? I don't care if you are Mafia or Townie or a Teletubbie right now. I want to choke you so bad.
I don't even know if I should try or even know how to reply to this statement of yours. So much is lost in translation.
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lol you can't answer 3 questions?
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man, i can feel you raging all the way here in taiwan
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If I were "raging" I wouldn't add the term Teletubbie in there. You just make me laugh in frustration.
Either you are flat out playing dumb, or your command of English is just way off.
Basically the scenario is like this, every single time.
I'm talking about A and B, you reply to me but it's about X and Y.
My reaction: -_-
These are the answers I had in my head at that exact moment when I saw your post.
On April 01 2010 12:19 johnnyspazz wrote:
lying about what? Uh, do you know how to read? Did I said you lied?
On April 01 2010 12:19 johnnyspazz wrote:
what do you think about my post earlier? You are your billion one liners?
On April 01 2010 12:19 johnnyspazz wrote:do i really look red to you? After I punch your nose, yes.
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You and* your billion one liners.
Typo.
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lol okay
you say
So, nemy, johnny, haster. Who is lying?
so you think one of us is lying right? i ask you what could i be lying about, but i guess in your world that doesn't make any sense.
i was referring to this post that for some reason you decided not to read.
On April 01 2010 10:07 johnnyspazz wrote:honestly i think this quote sums up I'm green the best Show nested quote +On March 30 2010 14:05 johnnyspazz wrote:On March 30 2010 13:37 nemY wrote:
##Vote Ace## This should be self-explanatory it's night time hope this helps why would i even say this if i was mafia? how likely is it that a mafia player forgets that his team already sent a PM for the night kill? am i that good to mind game you guys? if you guys want to lynch me for lurking and bandwagoning, that's fine. yes, i'm a terrible player but just know that the town will end up losing if i am lynched.
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On April 01 2010 13:15 Fishball wrote:
You and* your billion one liners.
Typo.
lol 30 != one billion
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so apparently my earlier post is a prime example of WIFOM territory and i didn't even know it did haha.
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On April 01 2010 15:22 johnnyspazz wrote:lol okay you say so you think one of us is lying right? i ask you what could i be lying about, but i guess in your world that doesn't make any sense.
...I guess in your world, your sense is to not making sense in order to make sense. Sense my censored thoughts sensor?
On April 01 2010 15:22 johnnyspazz wrote:i was referring to this post that for some reason you decided not to read. Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 10:07 johnnyspazz wrote:honestly i think this quote sums up I'm green the best On March 30 2010 14:05 johnnyspazz wrote:On March 30 2010 13:37 nemY wrote:
##Vote Ace## This should be self-explanatory it's night time hope this helps why would i even say this if i was mafia? how likely is it that a mafia player forgets that his team already sent a PM for the night kill? am i that good to mind game you guys? if you guys want to lynch me for lurking and bandwagoning, that's fine. yes, i'm a terrible player but just know that the town will end up losing if i am lynched.
Oh I've read it all right, as well as the rest of your gibberish. You assume I didn't read it just because I didn't know exactly which post you were referring too. Thumbs up.
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你用中文的邏輯想法去回英文的話
根本文不對路, 意思層面已經不一樣
你自己可能看不出來, 我看到就真的Orz.
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The remaining players after Night should all make a plea why they aren't Mafia. At least we keep the thread alive this way and have at least something to do and ideas to bounce off of.
I already did mine on page 19, so it is up to you guys.
I also hope Zona change the next Day cycle to 24 hours. 48 hours would just be excessive with only 3 players left, especially when everyone left in the game likes to lurk.
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On April 01 2010 22:45 Fishball wrote:
你用中文的邏輯想法去回英文的話
根本文不對路, 意思層面已經不一樣
你自己可能看不出來, 我看到就真的Orz.
The logic of your idea to the Chinese back to English words
Man does not simply road, meaning the same level has not
You could not tell, I see really Orz.
what are you trying to say?
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On April 01 2010 22:45 Fishball wrote:
你用中文的邏輯想法去回英文的話
根本文不對路, 意思層面已經不一樣
你自己可能看不出來, 我看到就真的Orz.
What made you think that posting in another language was a good idea? Posting something that only some but not all of the involved players can read?
I had tried to keep the ruleset of games 1 and 2 slim as many players have already demonstrated their lack of ability to read and follow everything I have included. But upon seeing that there are examples of players on TL mafia who try to circumvent the stated rules and the idea of fairness behind them, I went and threw everything I could think of into game 3, including "no encryption allowing quasi-private communications". But apparently I wasn't clever enough to consider languages other than English allowing something like this as well.
You must provide an accurate translation of what you posted in the next 18 hours, including any non-literal interpretation that a native speaker of the language could read from what you posted. The night has been extended for at least 24 hours. After you post a translation, I will decide whether or not addition remedies are required.
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On April 02 2010 07:37 Zona wrote:
What made you think that posting in another language was a good idea? Posting something that only some but not all of the involved players can read?
You pretty much answered your own question in your second paragraph. Simply because it wasn't in the rules.
On April 02 2010 07:37 Zona wrote:I had tried to keep the ruleset of games 1 and 2 slim as many players have already demonstrated their lack of ability to read and follow everything I have included. But upon seeing that there are examples of players on TL mafia who try to circumvent the stated rules and the idea of fairness behind them, I went and threw everything I could think of into game 3, including "no encryption allowing quasi-private communications". But apparently I wasn't clever enough to consider languages other than English allowing something like this as well.
On April 02 2010 07:37 Zona wrote:
You must provide an accurate translation of what you posted in the next 18 hours, including any non-literal interpretation that a native speaker of the language could read from what you posted. The night has been extended for at least 24 hours. After you post a translation, I will decide whether or not addition remedies are required.
Or else what? You gonna spank me?
Just kidding, you've been a nice host. Here is my explanation.
Since johnnyspazz "claims" that he is from Taiwan, and conveniently, I speak 3 languages with Chinese being one of them, I decided to type it up here rather than to PM him, since there was an actual rule saying "No PM". It is more of a personal message really. My intent was to send him a message that he could actually understand (or so I thought), instead of the random crap in the past few pages.
What I meant to say was:
You are directly translating English to Chinese and thinking in Chinese logic to reply to an English statement.
It doesn't really make sense as a lot of the core meaning has changed.
Maybe you couldn't tell, but whenever I see your replies, it makes me go "Orz"
I'm pretty sure some of you used Google translate and got this:
The logic of your idea to the Chinese, then back to English
Man does not simply road, meaning the same level has not
You could not tell, I see really Orz.
"Orz", is a common term used by the Taiwanese. It's a portray of a person kneeling down in frustration. It kinda means "-_-" in one way or another.
Picture it this way.
O - Head
r - Hand and Body
z - Legs
As you can see, me typing in another language wasn't an intent to break the rules, in fact, I tried to play within the rules. However, I do see where you're coming from as a host and I apologize.
Regardless, after seeing johnnyspazz's reply up top, I don't know who or what he is anymore. I give up.
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Fair enough. The night has been extended by exactly 24 hours. Final night actions are now due April 2, 10pm EST (April 3, 11:00 KST/TeamLiquid time).
I reserve the right to intervene further if later on I deem that this action has irrevocably altered the outcome of the game. But given that the game should be over soon, I think I'll just let it go and let the game conclude.
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Unless I'm Mafia and am asking Jesus who I should kill tonight, altering the outcome would be pretty difficult
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lol fishball
i dont even know why you have such a huge problem reading my posts
lets just get this game over with
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More like you having problems reading my posts, which causes me to have problems with yours.
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okay! i submit! fishball, please spare me! you are my superior in every single way!
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omg how is this game not over.
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On April 02 2010 11:09 Versatile wrote:
omg how is this game not over.
yes please do not extend this another 24 hours T_T
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where in the world are nemY and haster27?
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No posts from the dead, please.
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Micropolis: Start of Day 4:
The silent night seemed to last longer than normal. But despite the unnatural length of the night, the outcome was no different than any of the others. A scream rang out, and another person perished.
Fishball the townie has been killed during the night. 2 town-aligned and 1 mafia-aligned players remain!
Day 4 ends in approximately 24 hours, at April 3, 10pm EST (or April 4, 11:00 KST TeamLiquid time)! Votes are now once again being counted! Once again note that this day is only 24 hours long!
##start day##
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Wow, I was not killed?
Okay. I tried to keep myself quiet during the night because I was trying to avoid myself from getting killed. This is because I am 100% Townie for the same logic Fishball proposed. If I had not changed my vote when nemY changed his vote to Fishball, Ace would not have been lynched and Mafia would have won.
This is why I am predicting my vote to be decisive vote. Seeing as day is only 24 hours, I hope both players to write out long explanatory post explaining why they are not Mafia, and why they think the other player is Mafia. I'll put them into consideration before making my choice.
But first of the matter, why did you change your votes nemY? Only relevant post I see of matter- unlike Fishball - is just "Are you guys serious?" and "I knew FB was going to ninja-vote, I didn't expect anything from you haster either". Before you changed your vote Ace had early 2 player advantage. Your vote changed it so that lynch target became johnnyspazz. Only reason I see is that maybe you were afraid of Fishball choosing the outcome, and you were fully convinced that johnnyspazz was Mafia (b/c your vote change makes it so that even Fishball ninja-vote Ace johnny will be lynhced). However, if so, why vote for Ace in the first place?
Because of your pre-night actions, you are under lot of suspicion. I hope you present understandable thought process.
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how can you be surprised to be not killed when fishball painted a fat target on his back? it was a terrible idea to stay quiet during the night. it could've let to some actual discussion instead of whatever you want to call the exchanges between fishball and i.
if nemy is green, i'm wondering why ace and his mafia buddy didn't vote together on fishball thus ending the game. i find it odd that nemy attacks ace for basically the whole game but he ends up switching his vote to fishball on the last lynch. i also hope he explains why he did this.
haster, i think both of us had chances to end the game if each one of us was mafia.
if i was red, ace and i vote for fishball, gg.
if you were red, you and ace could've also voted for fishball to end the game.
maybe nemy changed his vote because instead of a 50/50 win chance, he wanted to mix things up by changing his vote and then creating a situation where he has 100% chance of winning.
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Have fun playing Rock-Paper-Scissors you three.
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Okay, informing people here that due to situation 8PM is absolutely the last time I will be able to visit here. So nemY, I would be very grateful if you speak up soon.
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##Vote nemY##
Will remove when he stops lurking.
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I will smash my head against the wall if another Townie gets mod-killed; and laugh like hell if Mafia gets mod-killed.
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TIC TOC TIC TOC
The clock ticks.
Thirty minutes remaining.
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TIC TOC TIC TOC
The clock ticks.
Twenty munites remaining.
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you realize you can't abstain right
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Well, it seems clear that at least one individual intends to freaking ninja-vote without discussion. Let him have his fun, but I am not leaving my vote on nemY which might influence that player's action.
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你用中文的邏輯想法去回英文的話
根本文不對路, 意思層面已經不一樣
你自己可能看不出來, 我看到就真的Orz.
Fifteen minutes remaining.
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I am the bone of my Town
Townie is my body, and green is my blood
I have created over a thousand thoughts
Unknown to lurkers
Nor known to life
Have withstood pain to endure many idiots
Yet those hands alone never accomplish anything
So as I pray
Unlimited Voting Works
Ten minutes remaining
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LOL. Well, this is anti-climatic.
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CAUTION! CAUTION!
Five minutes remaining!
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This does it.
You are Mafia!
##Vote johnnyspazz##
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There. johnnyspazz is lynched due to having early 1 vote disadvantage (lol). Now what?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Okay, Zona forgive me since time is up on this game either way (Lylo~)... so...
+ Show Spoiler +LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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wait, aren't days supposed to take 48h?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 04 2010 11:02 citi.zen wrote:
wait, aren't days supposed to take 48h?
This one is 24 since there are only 3 people.
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At the very beginning I thought johnnyspazz was Mafia. I'll post my reasoning soon. (if I fail, I had been casuality of over-analysis.)
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Yeah - an anticlimatic ending gets an anticlimatic post from the mod.
nemy the mafia goon and johnnyspazz the townie are modkilled.
Town wins. Yay.
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LOL - that's quality. All nemY had to do was VOTE. Hahaha!
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But damn it, I missed? Battler is incompetent fool after all.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Don't you love it when on the deciding day two out of three people show up?!
...I sure do!^^
Good job Zona for hosting this game, 'twas fun to watch~
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 04 2010 11:05 haster27 wrote:
Yay, sole survivor rofl
MVP!
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Oh, and nemY for LVP!
(For this last day's actions LOL)
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observers and dead players may talk again.
What a shame at the dud ending to what could have been a photo finish. Where are you nemY? You could have won the game. And johnnyspazz?
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nemY actually did well and deserved MVP were it not for tonight. What a time to go afk...
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My reason for johnnyspazz vote
At the very moment I was not night-killed, I was panicking. Because at that moment I had made my thesis very clear; I am 100% Townie, johnnyspazz would have been lynched, and nemY vote change was clearly Mafia attempt.
Now in my thoughts most beneficial condition nemY could have taken was kill me, and leave Fishball and johnnyspazz. Because of Fishball and johnnyspazz spat, nemY could have somehow convinced johnnyspazz into voting for Fishball, arguing that his declaration of intention to "vote for Ace" could not be proven, and he just went with lynching Ace because his and my vote change forced him to.
If I am alive, most logical action I could have taken was to vote nemY, who made scummiest move, out of johnnyspazz, last lynch target. Easy as that. Too easy I thought.
Then that paranoia got my brain rolling. First, if nemY was not Mafia, why wouldn't he have voted for johnnyspazz? That would have created undefeatable 3-man advantage. Now on hindsight I realize both moves nullify Fishball ninja vote without less implicating himself- but I had Battler level intelligence after all.
Then, johnnyspazz: I felt the Ace was unnaturally eager in suggesting johnnyspazz as Mafia (obviously excluding nemY), and following me when I baited him. That made me recall the Mafia question Ace threw down about the last day situation, with medic and all that. You could have remembered. Ace said that last day earning the trust of Townie was highly important. Now, that was interesting possibility. Ace, instead of risking identity of both Mafia trying to end the game now, might have gone for insurance policy and tried to start bandwagon against his partner. This is ingenious move I thought Ace was fully capable of making up. If Ace is lynched, johnnyspazz- who were lynch target- has good material to prove his "innocence". If johnnyspazz is lynched, Ace can make strong argument about why he would have not chosen to end the game. As I recalled this highly efficient idea rang out in my mind "IT'S A TRAP!! I AM ALREADY IN A TRAP!!".
No. I was not. I was victim of over-analysis and paranoia. Sigh.
Any questions you further wish to ask?
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By the way, props to nemY if you foresaw all the WIFOM mindfuck I would go through.
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It was nemY who bandwaggoned apparently, and did well with it.
Curious - was this your advice/strategy Ace?
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Yes from way way early in the game I told nemy to wagon me. It's a lot of stuff to write out which I will do later when I'm not lazy ^_^
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oh shit i thought i had another day to post something lol
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On April 04 2010 11:47 Ace wrote:
Yes from way way early in the game I told nemy to wagon me. It's a lot of stuff to write out which I will do later when I'm not lazy ^_^
Damn. I should have actually read through nemY's posts then. He suddenly changing votes should have put a larger alarm on my head
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meh.
I had johnny and rol had fishball as mafia
then ace told me it was nemy and I was like wtf
>_<
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anyways what ultimately let to my demise is that last minute vote switch away from Ace; if i hadn't done it i would have been essentially "vindicated" and able to go on my way to raping and winning the game; but Ace and I got greedy trying to keep him alive I was going to argue on the presumption that I wanted to vote swap to get a rise out of people (because I knew FB was going to wait until the end to vote), and try to discredit haster as a lurker, but well... i thought i had another 24 hours! lol
MVP is definitely Ace imo. He seriously raped/rampaged you guys and still managed to make it almost to the end of the game. It was funny because every accusation I made against Ace was true, but you guys ignored it for the most part.
LVP: Vivi? Fball? Jspazz? idk, prolly me for thinking i had another day to win the game; all i had to do was vote for somebody first to win haha
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On April 04 2010 11:47 Ace wrote:
Yes from way way early in the game I told nemy to wagon me. It's a lot of stuff to write out which I will do later when I'm not lazy ^_^
Good call, won you the game. Well, almost :-)
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I am close to LVP too. Lurking the entire game, ignoring obvious scum move and voting the obvious scum target rofl.
Ace MVP for sure.
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On April 04 2010 12:00 nemY wrote:anyways what ultimately let to my demise is that last minute vote switch away from Ace; if i hadn't done it i would have been essentially "vindicated" and able to go on my way to raping and winning the game; but Ace and I got greedy trying to keep him alive I was going to argue on the presumption that I wanted to vote swap to get a rise out of people (because I knew FB was going to wait until the end to vote), and try to discredit haster as a lurker, but well... i thought i had another 24 hours! lol MVP is definitely Ace imo. He seriously raped/rampaged you guys and still managed to make it almost to the end of the game. It was funny because every accusation I made against Ace was true, but you guys ignored it for the most part. LVP: Vivi? Fball? Jspazz? idk, prolly me for thinking i had another day to win the game; all i had to do was vote for somebody first to win haha
BS - your "demise" was failing to vote. Nothing strategic.
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haha holy shit i just read the last few pages ROFFFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLL haster you switched to jspazz?
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By the way, why did you not choose to kill me nemY?
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On April 04 2010 12:04 nemY wrote:
haha holy shit i just read the last few pages ROFFFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLL haster you switched to jspazz?
Yup. My post explains it all.
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Probably for the reason that you mindfucked yourself out of voting for me haha
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ace for mvp just for getting me killed, hitting L, then living through day2
not to mention helping nemy
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Well, I will not be repeating mistake of overestimating my opponents ever again. If I see a mistake, I crack down on it, no matter what the situation.
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I was sure Fishball was the other mafia. Nothing he said made any sense + weird voting + botched role-claim.
If I had to guess I'd say most townies didn't even bother to read my posts vs. Ace. Lesson for me: brevity >> detailed arguments.
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On April 04 2010 12:07 Vivi57 wrote:
ace for mvp just for getting me killed, hitting L, then living through day2
not to mention helping nemy
this is why you're LVP, L didn't play in this game
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On April 04 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote:
I was sure Fishball was the other mafia. Nothing he said made any sense + weird voting + botched role-claim.
If I had to guess I'd say most townies didn't even bother to read my posts vs. Ace. Lesson for me: brevity >> detailed arguments.
yeah FB seriously didn't make any sense; his defense to what anybody said was, "YOU HAVE POOR READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS". Anyways Spring Break started for me about half-way thru last week, hence why I haven't been around much of late. I'm not going out tonight so i figured i'd log on and cast a vote for somebody only to find out that the last day was 24h not 48 lol I'm an idiot.
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Okay. I'm going to be party-pooper here. Very eager to vindicate myself on that other place.
Nemy, can you country-claim down there?
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Since I don't like leaving things half done...
Micropolis: Dawn of a new beginning
The three remaining residents of Micropolis stood around, mostly silent, wondering which among them was the remaining mafia agent. One of them pointed fingers, but curiously, the others didn't react, even as darkness began to fall. So he thought to himself, "I might as well take things into my own hands," and took out his axe.
But suddenly, a portal to another dimension appeared, and lightning struck down the two unmoving figures. A harsh laugh rang out, that some observers would come to recognize as the sound of flamewheel91's voice, a demigod in some other universe. The remaining figure stood frozen in place, until the portal closed. He ruminated to himself in wonder. Of the nine who had come here for a new life, only he remained. He thanked the various gods for his survival, and looked around him. Several buildings, the start of a town, built by the hands of himself and his now dead compatriots remained for him to use. With time, he would become known as the founder and leader of a bustling town, Micropolis, and life was good.
That is, until 9 shadowy figures crept into the town at night, all of them itching for a fight. Find out what happens next time...in Micro-MAFIA 3!!
johnnyspazz the townie and nemY the mafia goon were modkilled! Town wins a narrow victory!
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Oh yeah, the voting. The town played pretty bad to be honest - I'll go for Ace MVP. he did all he could and should have won. LVP - take your pick between Versatile and Fishball. nemY did fine until tonight I guess.
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I half-expect to see..
"Micropolis 3: New day and start of misery
The town finds Town's founder, and survivor of last Mafia incursion, haster27 dead!"
That does it. Going to sign in there NOW. (is there spot available?)
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 04 2010 12:09 haster27 wrote:Well, I will not be repeating mistake of overestimating my opponents ever again. If I see a mistake, I crack down on it, no matter what the situation.
This is why WiFOM sucks ^_^
On April 04 2010 12:12 Zona wrote:
Since I don't like leaving things half done...
Micropolis: Dawn of a new beginning
The three remaining residents of Micropolis stood around, mostly silent, wondering which among them was the remaining mafia agent. One of them pointed fingers, but curiously, the others didn't react, even as darkness began to fall. So he thought to himself, "I might as well take things into my own hands," and took out his axe.
But suddenly, a portal to another dimension appeared, and lightning struck down the two unmoving figures. A harsh laugh rang out, that some observers would come to recognize as the sound of flamewheel91's voice, a demigod in some other universe. The remaining figure stood frozen in place, until the portal closed. He ruminated to himself in wonder. Of the nine who had come here for a new life, only he remained. He thanked the various godsflamewheel91 for his survival, and looked around him. Several buildings, the start of a town, built by the hands of himself and his now dead compatriots remained for him to use. With time, he would become known as the founder and leader of a bustling town, Micropolis, and life was good.
That is, until 9 shadowy figures crept into the town at night, all of them itching for a fight. Find out what happens next time...in Micro-MAFIA 3!!
johnnyspazz the townie and nemY the mafia goon were modkilled! Town wins a narrow victory!
Fixed!... Because I felt slightly egotistical ^_^
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Oh, also Zona...
Those modkills.
Will they go into the banlist?
Edit: Nevermind, answer is yes.
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wow fuck me
i definitely thought vote was due by tomorrow so i was out the whole day...shit
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On April 04 2010 11:02 citi.zen wrote:
wait, aren't days supposed to take 48h?
yeaaaaaah wtf
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Ace I hate gullible townies, and I hate you.
YOUR HEAD SHOULD HAVE BEEN MINE!!
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On March 29 2010 11:05 Zona wrote:
Micropolis: End of Day 2
Looking from the outside, the future of Micropolis was looking up! Each of the town's residents now had their own bungalow - allowing them to live and sleep in comfort. But appearances were deceiving. The town was no closer to eliminating the mafia threat hidden within. Will all their efforts to build up the new town be for naught? Throughout the day, the residents argued back and forth, and two voices rose higher than the rest. After some jockeying, it was decided. citi.zen would hang today. But as they hung him from the central courtyard and greedily ran to pillage his new home, they found only his limited edition "Jim Raynor" figurine set. No gun, nor any other sign of malicious intent could be found among his possessions. This realization caused them to look at each other grimly. The jaws of death were closing around them. Would they survive?
citi.zen the townie has been lynched. 4 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain!
Players please PM your night actions by 10pm EST tomorrow. Remember to use the given format in the OP!
Final vote count for the day's lynch:
3 votes for ace:
citi.zen
rebirthoflegend
nemy
citi.zen
4 votes for citi.zen:
ace
haster27
johnnyspazz
fishball
ace
0 votes for rebirthoflegend:
ace
citi.zen
players who have not voted:
Unrecognized votes:
ace: ##unvote citizen##
ace: ##unvote rol</b><br><b>##
I will give credit though, this was amazingly risky and worked amazing for you. I had honestly ruled out nemy as a suspect because of this list. I can't possibly see how you managed to get the entire town to vote citizen. Citizen was dying so he obviously wasn't voting himself, NemY was mafia and then just me. That was an amazing play. If I was hypothetically still alive I don't think I would of even read through nemy's post, until MAYBE his last minute vote change away from you.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 04 2010 15:08 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 11:02 citi.zen wrote:
wait, aren't days supposed to take 48h? yeaaaaaah wtf
He explicitly said 24 hours with the day post, due to there only being 3 players.
Either way, it's no excuse for not showing up for the first 24 at all.
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i know its my fault for not reading the day post carefully but i did make a post in the first 24 hours that showed my suspicion of nemy. i thought it painted me and haster as green pretty well while making nemy look suspicious but i guess it didn't work since he did end up voting for me.
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Not surprised at the outcome at all. People don't read.
Ninja edit. Because I don't read either!
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just wanted to say: i investigated ace, but DT doesn't get results back 'til day 2 and alas, i didn't live that long. good job townies. i def vote fishball for MVP though.
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On April 05 2010 07:34 Versatile wrote:
just wanted to say: i investigated ace, but DT doesn't get results back 'til day 2 and alas, i didn't leave that long. good job townies. i def vote fishball for MVP though.
lol how is fishball MVP? I didn't read the game much after I died but I was under the impression he didn't do anything.
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LOL.
10/10 for surprise ending!
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On April 05 2010 11:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2010 07:34 Versatile wrote:
just wanted to say: i investigated ace, but DT doesn't get results back 'til day 2 and alas, i didn't leave that long. good job townies. i def vote fishball for MVP though. lol how is fishball MVP? I didn't read the game much after I died but I was under the impression he didn't do anything.
Worse than doing nothing - he was detrimental to the town for most of the game in my opinion. Perhaps she meant LVP?
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did i st-st-stutter?
lol, i only skimmed the last few pages, but weren't fishball and haster responsible for lynching ace? i thought that was a big turning point.
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No point explaining to the infidels if they didn't get it the first time, or like the tenth time in this case. It is all superficial.
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On March 31 2010 10:09 L wrote:
Lack of activity is dreadfully boring. Town does not benefit from everyone being silent, so get working please :3.
I was actually just starting to read through second Micro-Mafia, and this cracked me up.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Yeah. Look at me trying to make posts.
Oops?
I lose faith in mafia players.
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Tell me about it man, tell me about it.
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