ugh you're right. I was looking at the list and checked off Abenson's name instead of replacing it with RoL.

Either way how does letting me die from 2 quick votes help the town? I still don't understand how me OR citizen are guaranteed to be mafia. There isn't a DT check or a counter claim here, and we've got lots of players lurking. I think citizen is the scummiest person here so far but when I flip green you've still got to look at the people not placing votes. Look at how fast I caught those 2 votes and we've got 4 non-voters. This is ridiculous lurking.

##unvote citizen##

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 27 2010 18:56 GMT

#202

And yes I think citizen is scummy but for fear of lynching an innocent due to lack of activity I'm unvoting. We need more participation. I'd rather go into the night with a no lynch and 1 dead townie and possibly two dead townies for Day 3.

haster27

Taiwan809 Posts

March 27 2010 18:56 GMT

#203

I think day ends at 29th KST, so I feel like there is still enough time before voting- especially since I only have opinion from, like, three people?

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 27 2010 18:56 GMT

#204

Well haster look how little activity this game has. Only a few people are actually trying to play :/

haster27

Taiwan809 Posts

March 27 2010 19:02 GMT

#205

Well in retrospect compare which seems more exciting:

common ordinary e11 mafia game
EPIC MASSIVE NUCLEAR INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL IDIOT-FILLED APOCALYPTIC SHITSTORM

It literally took me some effort to motivate myself into making that big post. By the way, why did you change rules when johnnyspazz was nuked? I thought you answered multiple anti-nukes were allowed when I sent you PM after johnnyspazz messed up.

johnnyspazz

Taiwan1470 Posts

March 27 2010 19:07 GMT

#206

johnnyspazz

Taiwan1470 Posts

March 27 2010 19:09 GMT

#207

i'm willing to bet that both mafia members are lurkers and everyone that's active is green

flamewheel

FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts

March 27 2010 19:11 GMT

#208

Never mind.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 27 2010 19:12 GMT

#209

You should delete that other post. Not good to reference an ongoing game.

And yes I think the most active posters might be green. Still think citizen is scum though. But looking at the 2 quick votes I'm not ruling out RoL.

johnnyspazz

Taiwan1470 Posts

March 27 2010 19:21 GMT

#210

On March 28 2010 04:12 Ace wrote:
You should delete that other post. Not good to reference an ongoing game.

And yes I think the most active posters might be green. Still think citizen is scum though. But looking at the 2 quick votes I'm not ruling out RoL.

k just felt like maybe it would be good to clear up the confusion since i did claim i was saving myself :p

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 27 2010 19:22 GMT

#211

no problem. Just that if certain information is lost with your death or they missed when you said it in the thread it should stay that way ^_^

haster27

Taiwan809 Posts

March 27 2010 19:25 GMT

#212

On March 28 2010 04:22 Ace wrote:
no problem. Just that if certain information is lost with your death or they missed when you said it in the thread it should stay that way ^_^

lol I was almost tempted to quote it and post it back in WaW thread when I saw your post actually :p

Back to the topic, that's not much we can do if both Mafia is lurking because its going to be crapshoot between Mafia and inactive Townies. It'll just be useful to assume at least one of the active players is Mafia, and try to go from there.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 27 2010 19:26 GMT

#213

what? assume one of the active players is Mafia?!?!??!

Explain how this makes sense?

So ok. Myself and citizen are the most active players. You guys lynch me and I flip green, then citizen being the only active poster is killed and flips green.

So what do we do next?

haster27

Taiwan809 Posts

March 27 2010 19:35 GMT

#214

Which is why I am not voting yet. However, if this low activity continues, I see little way we can distinguish inactives from lurking Mafia.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

March 27 2010 20:00 GMT

#215

On March 28 2010 04:26 Ace wrote:
what? assume one of the active players is Mafia?!?!??!

Explain how this makes sense?

So ok. Myself and citizen are the most active players. You guys lynch me and I flip green, then citizen being the only active poster is killed and flips green.

So what do we do next?

It's not an issue. If the town screws up this lynching the game is over. I've discussed why before.

Why I continue to think Ace is the best candidate: wrong on the vivi argument; keeps ignoring posts, preferring vagueness and calling me "scummy" instead of discussing anything of substance. That said, Ace is known to be impatient with bad players (vivi?). Also, if he is green and accused by me it's only natural he would feel I'm red.

So in the end I feel there is a 50% chance Ace is red. This sucks, given it's now or never. Still, picking someone else would be even more of a crapshoot. The hugely lucky Mafia + inactive town means there is nothing more I can do.

nemY

United States3119 Posts

March 27 2010 20:00 GMT

#216

Wow holy shit...

citi.zen

2509 Posts

March 27 2010 20:05 GMT

#217

On March 28 2010 05:00 nemY wrote:
Wow holy shit...

Massive contribution, now we're getting somewhere!

nemY

United States3119 Posts

March 27 2010 20:06 GMT

#218

Btw I'm not sure how people can't think this is the workings of Ace. Both blues dead in a matter of two days? To wreak such havoc it would have to be a really good mafia player to do this. Ok, I'll give that the first lynch was somewhat unlucky on our part, but to snipe the other blue later that night? Come on people, think with your heads ##Vote Ace##

nemY

United States3119 Posts

March 27 2010 20:07 GMT

#219

On March 28 2010 05:05 citi.zen wrote:

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Massive contribution, now we're getting somewhere!

Super sarcasm! Progress is a definite now!

nemY

United States3119 Posts

March 27 2010 20:11 GMT

#220

On March 27 2010 12:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Ironically, I am quoting the dead here.

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I agree completely with Versatile here. Ace I don't agree with killing the roleclaimer and I think vivi did a horrendous job with it. The problem is that you logically are correct. You CANNOT confirm a medic claim without sacrificing the other medic. However the mafia are risking that there is not another medic in the game.

If there is a medic in the game then what will happen is the medic just has to claim as well and we kill the first claimer, and then kill the counterclaim if necessary.

The only problem here is that there is no way of knowing whether or not there is a medic so its a real risky play on mafias part. So I think killing a claimer either way is worth it. In this setup losing your medic or DT for a mafia is completely worth it. Either one cannot be validated since an actual DT would check someone and know if they were town aligned or mafia aligned and a fake DT would know who the mafia are. No role claims can be substantiated, ever.

But I do overall agree, first day claiming is dumb, and as a mafia move it is even more stupid. However a kill-able offense is questionable considering how much more risky it is as mafia, considering counter claim = rape and you pointed out how much it can suck losing a mafia member real quick.

Since even you Ace disagree with the depth of a WIFOM argument I am going to have to say you are mafia.

We can say that Citizen argued with Vers because he read her role perfectly then killed her so that he would be "suspicious" because of his arguing with her, which would be what Ace would do because he knows how the town would read it.

It is much easier (and goes with what you believe) to say that you killed Versatile because you had a read on her and either purposely or coincidentally Citizen had been fighting with her the entire time.

Which would be Citizen mind fucking us. From day 1.

##Vote Ace##

Sorry buddy, no scum in my city.

Anyway guys, that is my thought for the day. I am going to head to sleep and I have 12 hours of work tomorrow so I won't be on again until late at night (another 10:30 EST approx)

GL Anyone disagree with my analysys? My secondary suspect is Fishball, but I am not too convinced on anyone else <3

For the record, I'm not very good at analyzing peoples posts and trying to make sense of things (I'm more of a gut-instinct player), but I have no idea what you are trying to say.